Intel delays debut of Core i5 platform until early September

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05-25-2009, 08:39 PM
onethreehill

Intel delays debut of Core i5 platform until early September

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Intel has decided to postpone the debut of its new mainstream desktop PC platform, Lynnfield processors (tentatively Core i5) and 5-series chipsets, from July as originally scheduled, to early September 2009, according to sources at motherboard makers.

However, Core i5 processors will be available early for retail sale in late August, while P55-based motherboards will appear even sooner in mid-August, the sources noted.

Due to the global economic downturn driving down market demand, Intel expects the launch will allow more time for 4-series inventory to deplete.

Intel plans to launch three Core i5 CPUs with frequencies of 2.93GHz, 2.8GHz and 2.66GHz and priced at US$562, US$284 and US$196 in thousand-unit tray quantities. All of them will feature a TDP of 95W. The P55 chipset will be priced at US$40.

The entry-level Havendale processor is scheduled to launch in January next year, while P57, H57 and H55 chipsets will launch in the first quarter next year.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090526PD212.html
05-25-2009, 08:49 PM
Kuroimaho

I am quite sure I read the same news at least a month ago somewhere. Unfortunate as the new cpus will probaly cause price cut on all things amd.
05-26-2009, 12:06 AM
Macadamia

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P57

What. The. ****.

Seriously. As if P55 isn't expensive enough.

P57 is just asking for its pants to be pulled by eventual cheaper X58 boards, like the new one from MSI.
05-26-2009, 12:09 AM
saaya

hmmm wait, i dont get it... the launch is delayed to september, but boards and cpus will actually be available even earlier? :confused2
that doesnt make any sense?

and again confirmation that p55 is way overpriced and costs as much as p45+ich10 combined, and x58 only costs 10$ more than P55, and thats without the rumored price cut of x58... so soon x58 will cost about the same as P55? :lol:

or do you still claim me and others are just making that up? :D
05-26-2009, 12:13 AM
Macadamia

So basically that's $10 less for PCB layer shaving (I'm being very generous right, saaya?), $60 less on the CPU, and $10 less on the chipset.

CONGRATULATIONS, a $80 discount after ONE year!
05-26-2009, 12:17 AM
570091D

this all makes no sense.....
05-26-2009, 12:22 AM
naokaji

Intel delays I5 debut until sept but I5 will be avalaible in August:shrug:

I don't get it...
05-26-2009, 12:25 AM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by Macadamia

What. The. ****.

Seriously. As if P55 isn't expensive enough.

P57 is just asking for its pants to be pulled by eventual cheaper X58 boards, like the new one from MSI.

P57 is the replacement for P55 in january. Like ICH9 vs ICH10. nothing spectacular.

There will also be Q57 and H57.

The date should be september 9th with 5 models. And january 10th for Clarkdale also with 5 models.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7...akchartjy5.png

Digitimes is as usual fairly missing/inacurate.
05-26-2009, 12:25 AM
breakfromyou

All i can think of is maybe a soft launch. They supposedly get out into stores, but they don't move too many of them at first...then there's the debut and everybody buys?

?!?!
05-26-2009, 12:33 AM
CedricFP

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Originally Posted by saaya

hmmm wait, i dont get it... the launch is delayed to september, but boards and cpus will actually be available even earlier? :confused2
that doesnt make any sense?

and again confirmation that p55 is way overpriced and costs as much as p45+ich10 combined, and x58 only costs 10$ more than P55, and thats without the rumored price cut of x58... so soon x58 will cost about the same as P55? :lol:

or do you still claim me and others are just making that up? :D

There is rumoured to be a price cut on X58? The P55 pricing confuses me also.
05-26-2009, 12:34 AM
Vienna

I have no issue with dual sockets (amd pulled it off with mild success with S754 and S939) but i5 and P55 pricing confuses me greatly, it almost seems like Intel WANTS i5 to be a flop?
05-26-2009, 12:35 AM
s0lid

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

P57 is the replacement for P55 in january. Like ICH9 vs ICH10. nothing spectacular.

There will also be Q57 and H57.

The date should be september 9th with 5 models. And january 10th for Clarkdale also with 5 models.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7...akchartjy5.png

Digitimes is as usual fairly missing/inacurate.

Flexible display interface = LVDS?
If yes, count me int for getting one of those boards :D
05-26-2009, 12:53 AM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by s0lid

Flexible display interface = LVDS?
If yes, count me int for getting one of those boards :D

Its on all chipsets now I think. Its the interface that Clarkdale uses to get the display (IGP) out. So CPU->Chipset->DVI/DisplayPort/HDMI etc.
05-26-2009, 01:25 AM
Tao~

P57 doesnt even have SATA 3.0 ,IIRC, which is BAD.

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Originally Posted by Macadamia

So basically that's $10 less for PCB layer shaving (I'm being very generous right, saaya?), $60 less on the CPU, and $10 less on the chipset.
CONGRATULATIONS, a $80 discount after ONE year!

and for an inferior product :rolleyes:
05-26-2009, 01:55 AM
geo

too bad there isn't any competition from AMD. anyone else think p55 is a lost cause at that pricepoint ? (60$ less than i7)
05-26-2009, 04:07 AM
STaRGaZeR

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Originally Posted by geo

too bad there isn't any competition from AMD. anyone else think p55 is a lost cause at that pricepoint ? (60$ less than i7)

I think that the Nehalem architecture as a whole is a failure on the desktop except for the Turbo mode, and the i5 platform sucks even more than i7's. It's indeed too bad AMD isn't there with the PhII because this is such a great time to forget about Intel if you are bored with your s775 system... c'mon Intel bring the next uarch already.
05-26-2009, 04:34 AM
perkam

It's always been early September.

@ Geo, you're kidding right? Have you seen Sampsa, K|ngp|n, Kinc, Gomeler, Eva, even Fugger and what they're all benching now?

One word my friend: 7Ghz.

Perkam
05-26-2009, 04:39 AM
Donnie27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macadamia

What. The. ****.

Seriously. As if P55 isn't expensive enough.

P57 is just asking for its pants to be pulled by eventual cheaper X58 boards, like the new one from MSI.

QFT!

This is a bad joke. I've complained about this how long ago? So they say the processor is more expensive because most of the Northbridge's functions are on the Processor. So with fewer of these features on the board, WHY TF are they still more expensive than other chipset boards with more features?

Look at its feature list? If folks were getting something for these high prices, so be it! Nothing is going to change at Intel until AMD gets its act together. I know some folks on this forum think it already is, but Intel's actions says otherwise.

Intel's delay is the same thing AMD did with X2, while holding back Dual Cores slower and cheaper than the 3800+ processors. Unlike others (or at least one other), I think it sucks while Intel is doing it as well. Notice AMD's market share increased (just like P4 did in Q1 and Q2 of 06) while Intel is doing this:up: I hope AMD launches something better that either catches or passes Intel.
05-26-2009, 04:46 AM
Donnie27

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

It's always been early September.

@ Geo, you're kidding right? Have you seen Sampsa, K|ngp|n, Kinc, Gomeler, Eva, even Fugger and what they're all benching now?

One word my friend: 7Ghz.

Perkam

Irrelevant! Nice for Xtreme systems, not much use for AMD. AMD needs something with better IPC while running at 2.66GHz. P4 overclocked higher than 7GHz:rofl:
05-26-2009, 05:01 AM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

It's always been early September.

@ Geo, you're kidding right? Have you seen Sampsa, K|ngp|n, Kinc, Gomeler, Eva, even Fugger and what they're all benching now?

One word my friend: 7Ghz.

Perkam

OC on air is a whole other ballgame....

And Average Joe doesnt fuel his system with endless amount of Helium or Nitrogen.
05-26-2009, 05:04 AM
MomijiTMO

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Originally Posted by Shintai

OC on air is a whole other ballgame....

And Average Joe doesnt fuel his system with endless amount of Helium or Nitrogen.

Would get rather messy don't you think?
05-26-2009, 05:19 AM
Speederlander

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

It's always been early September.

@ Geo, you're kidding right? Have you seen Sampsa, K|ngp|n, Kinc, Gomeler, Eva, even Fugger and what they're all benching now?

One word my friend: 7Ghz.

Perkam

7GHz on LN2 != Sales
05-26-2009, 05:23 AM
[XC] riptide

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speederlander

7GHz on LN2 != Sales

7Ghz on LN2 = marketing and hype filtered down through the channels = Sales.
05-26-2009, 05:24 AM
MomijiTMO

Oh yeah I can see it now.

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Originally Posted by cashed up nooblet

Guys .. . I need to RMA my 955.

I could only manage 3.8GHz with my TRUE. Clearly something is wrong because I saw these guys hit 7GHz.
05-26-2009, 05:27 AM
informal

By the time i5 gets to stores we'll probably see one more Phenom II speed bump(3.4Ghz?) and with that clock speed it will roughly be on par with the 2.93Ghz lynnfield. Pricing will play a major role in the phenom II vs i5 market battle as well as quality and availability(in i5's case) of the boards
05-26-2009, 05:37 AM
Kuroimaho

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Originally Posted by [XC] riptide

7Ghz on LN2 = marketing and hype filtered down through the channels = Sales.

As I recall the 2900XT did rather well in 3DMarks having a few WRs under it's belt thanks to LN2 but never really became a bestseller.
05-26-2009, 05:40 AM
Speederlander

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Originally Posted by [XC] riptide

7Ghz on LN2 = marketing and hype filtered down through the channels = Sales.

Come on. 99.99% of the market doesn't even know that people do that stuff, and most who do know also realize that real-world daily CPU performance is not directly related to the overclock performance under someone's tweaked out LN2 rig.
05-26-2009, 05:48 AM
prava

Sometimes it's hard to realize that such huge companies do indeed have real economists because either we are missing something massive or they've been smoking white widow for the last months...
05-26-2009, 05:55 AM
MomijiTMO

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Originally Posted by Speederlander

Come on. 99.99% of the market doesn't even know that people do that stuff, and most who do know also realize that real-world daily CPU performance is not directly related to the overclock performance under someone's tweaked out LN2 rig.

Exactly most people just hear 7GHz sex ZOMG must have.

Some of my friends don't know what a gpu is.
05-26-2009, 05:57 AM
Chad Boga

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

Pricing will play a major role in the phenom II vs i5 market battle as well as quality and availability(in i5's case) of the boards

Yeah, that will be a big issue, for a whole month.
05-26-2009, 06:39 AM
Krelin

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Originally Posted by perkam

..Have you seen Sampsa, K|ngp|n, Kinc, Gomeler, Eva, even Fugger and what they're all benching now?...

Cherrypicked CPU's? :rolleyes:
05-26-2009, 06:50 AM
perkam

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Originally Posted by Krelin

Cherrypicked CPU's? :rolleyes:

I'll let them answer that. :p:

I am in no way insinuating that an HT-enabled Core i5 will face tough competition from a Phenom, because the simple fact is that it won't.

That does not mean, though, that AMD's products do not excel in certain applications, including higher LN2 clocks.

Perkam
05-26-2009, 10:29 AM
Hornet331

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Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

I think that the Nehalem architecture as a whole is a failure on the desktop except for the Turbo mode, and the i5 platform sucks even more than i7's. It's indeed too bad AMD isn't there with the PhII because this is such a great time to forget about Intel if you are bored with your s775 system... c'mon Intel bring the next uarch already.

moar whining pls about how nehalem and its platform is utter failure.. :up:
05-26-2009, 06:09 PM
[XC] riptide

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speederlander

Come on. 99.99% of the market doesn't even know that people do that stuff, and most who do know also realize that real-world daily CPU performance is not directly related to the overclock performance under someone's tweaked out LN2 rig.

Why do you think that half of the top overclockers and a good deal of all the overclocking events have sponsors? It isn't becasue they're nice people, although I'm sure they all are. Its becasue its marketing. And the return is paid off. Watercooling is one area that is getting more mainstream. And there is money in it, regardless of the percentages. So when Jimmy the former Dell nOOb asks that he wants a new PC built or some advice and asks his geeky friend, he'll be influenced in turn by the geek who was here fapping at OMFGZ 7Ghz on whatever board.. using whatever ram. whatever.
05-26-2009, 06:12 PM
ILikeCosmosS

i am happy core i5 delayed :D

more money for AMD :D
05-26-2009, 06:13 PM
[XC] riptide

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuroimaho

As I recall the 2900XT did rather well in 3DMarks having a few WRs under it's belt thanks to LN2 but never really became a bestseller.

Yes you make a good point. The 2900XT did well in 3dMark. It done better in 3dmark than you would have expected it to do in Games. I had a 2900XT and I sold it because of driver issues. The guy I sold it to knew the driver issues, and its comparable lagging in games but just wanted it foremost to pair with his other X2900XT for benching.
06-02-2009, 06:53 PM
onethreehill

Lynnfield will not be called Core i5

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COMPUTEX — We started our Computex marathon this morning by paying a visit to Intel's Francois Piednoel, who showed us a desktop PC and a notebook based on upcoming mainstream Core i7 derivatives. Piednoel also let us snap a picture of an eight-core Nehalem-EX processor in the flesh.

Let's start with the desktop PC. That system contained a quad-core, eight-thread Lynnfield CPU, and it was running some video and photo editing apps.

Piednoel noted that the "Core i5" name concocted by the rumor mill is simply off—the final product will be called something else entirely, although he wasn't at liberty to say what.

Lynnfield's biggest strengths compared to the Core i7 should be lower CPU and motherboard pricing coupled with still-strong quad-core, eight-thread performance. That said, Piednoel told us the new CPU's Turbo Boost feature will also have much greater potency than the Core i7 implementation. That means if the processor's power use stays below a certain threshold, individual cores will be able to clock themselves much higher in order to speed up single-threaded tasks.

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/17012
06-03-2009, 09:20 AM
Mr.BSEL

Bit-Tech: Lynnfield samples oc to 5ghz!!

[QUOTE]COMPUTEX 2009: Several sources at Taiwanese motherboard manufacturers have said that Lynnfield is going to be a dream to overclock with early samples hitting 5GHz... on air cooling.

Intel has remained mum on Lynnfield’s details, but its partners are very keen to talk about it. The Turbo mode, which dynamically adjusts the CPU frequency to deliver the maximum performance for the given thermal design power, will “add something north of 500MHz” to the CPU’s default clock speed in single threaded applications said an Intel spokesperson.

Our sources indicated that you are, in fact, likely to see an extra 600MHz for free in single threaded apps. This means the rumoured high-end 3.2GHz Lynnfield chip will hum along at 3.8GHz in some workloads, which is much more than the current Core i7 processors, which get an extra 200MHz or so for free when there’s power to spare.

This obviously means great things for overclocking and contrary to other reports we’ve read on the ‘net, it looks like Lynnfield is going to hit those 1GHz+ overclocks we’ve seen on the current Core i7 chips because 5GHz is “easily achievable,” said one source. Another said that they’d hit 5GHz “with very little effort,” which could make for some exciting times if you’re a cost-conscious enthusiast.

Obviously, we’ll reserve our final judgement until we’ve looked at how retail CPUs are overclocking, but these early whispers are looking promising./QUOTE]

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...ocks-to-5ghz/1

Holy Cow!
06-03-2009, 10:17 AM
kl0012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.BSEL

COMPUTEX 2009: Several sources at Taiwanese motherboard manufacturers have said that Lynnfield is going to be a dream to overclock with early samples hitting 5GHz... on air cooling.

Intel has remained mum on Lynnfield’s details, but its partners are very keen to talk about it. The Turbo mode, which dynamically adjusts the CPU frequency to deliver the maximum performance for the given thermal design power, will “add something north of 500MHz” to the CPU’s default clock speed in single threaded applications said an Intel spokesperson.

Our sources indicated that you are, in fact, likely to see an extra 600MHz for free in single threaded apps. This means the rumoured high-end 3.2GHz Lynnfield chip will hum along at 3.8GHz in some workloads, which is much more than the current Core i7 processors, which get an extra 200MHz or so for free when there’s power to spare.

This obviously means great things for overclocking and contrary to other reports we’ve read on the ‘net, it looks like Lynnfield is going to hit those 1GHz+ overclocks we’ve seen on the current Core i7 chips because 5GHz is “easily achievable,” said one source. Another said that they’d hit 5GHz “with very little effort,” which could make for some exciting times if you’re a cost-conscious enthusiast.

Obviously, we’ll reserve our final judgement until we’ve looked at how retail CPUs are overclocking, but these early whispers are looking promising./QUOTE]

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...ocks-to-5ghz/1

Holy Cow!

Now it makes sence why Intel wants to discontinue i7-920.
06-03-2009, 10:25 AM
Glow9

Did P55s ditch crossfire?
06-03-2009, 10:35 AM
zalbard

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glow9

Did P55s ditch crossfire?

Nope, 8x + 8x for Crossfire, but it has some issues with SLI afaik.

Quote:

COMPUTEX 2009: Several sources at Taiwanese motherboard manufacturers have said that Lynnfield is going to be a dream to overclock with early samples hitting 5GHz... on air cooling.

:shocked:
06-03-2009, 10:39 AM
Olivon

Intel Lynnfield : 5 GHz on air-cooling

Hope that's true :D
06-03-2009, 11:13 AM
acidpython

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speederlander

Come on. 99.99% of the market doesn't even know that people do that stuff, and most who do know also realize that real-world daily CPU performance is not directly related to the overclock performance under someone's tweaked out LN2 rig.

I'm willing to bet that news sites have an impact (THG particularly). People read it, see a product is doing well then go ahead and when someone else asks "what do you recommend?" that person will be influenced by particular articles. And heck I feel most people are influenced by brands especially processor and graphics card brands and will base their entire computer decision on those two parts.

I'm sure you've overheard expressions such as "AMD is for gamers, Nvidia is for gamers, Nvidia works better with intel" etc etc.
06-03-2009, 11:17 AM
Vozer

So Lynnfield won't be called Core i5?

Awww... What a pity. I love that name already. :p:
06-03-2009, 11:18 AM
FlanK3r

maybe yes 5GHz but only post and supepri (the same as D0 i7)
watch here:
in review 4.9GHz with AIR stable for 16M superpi: http://pctuning.tyden.cz/hardware/pr...vysuje?start=4
06-03-2009, 11:23 AM
Hornet331

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlanK3r

maybe yes 5GHz but only post and supepri (the same as D0 i7)
watch here:
in review 4.9GHz with AIR stable for 16M superpi: http://pctuning.tyden.cz/hardware/pr...vysuje?start=4

yeah i think its 5ghz will be possible, but only for single core. :)
06-03-2009, 05:36 PM
scarywoody

Quote:

Originally Posted by kl0012

Now it makes sence why Intel wants to discontinue i7-920.

Actually the "rumor" changed :rolleyes:

Quote:

Intel Answers: The future of Core i7 920

...
First, the Core i7 920. Despite being told quite the opposite just last week, Intel vehemently reaffirmed the i7 920 will still exist for the foreseeable future. However, there was absolutely no commitment to a timescale
...

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...-core-i7-920/1
06-03-2009, 07:53 PM
Glow9

Quote:

Originally Posted by zalbard

Nope, 8x + 8x for Crossfire, but it has some issues with SLI afaik.

:shocked:

I wonder why in some pics for the intel boards they have powered by SLI for some of the first photos :/ I'm guessing they wont be like X58s and can do both or will they?
06-03-2009, 11:44 PM
phantomferrari

i have a core 8400. im not sure whether to upgrade towards an i5 or i7. ill tell you this, whichever gets usb 3.0, sata 3.0, and pci-e 3.0 into their mobos first wins!! something tells me im going to have to wait almost a year for all that in one mobo. oh well, and if you could throw in a lucid logix chip in there as well ill be a very happy guy :)
06-03-2009, 11:46 PM
Drwho?

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

It's always been early September.

@ Geo, you're kidding right? Have you seen Sampsa, K|ngp|n, Kinc, Gomeler, Eva, even Fugger and what they're all benching now?

One word my friend: 7Ghz.

Perkam

no no ... few words ... try to beat the Celeron of Massman if you can ...
8Ghz ... 7Ghz is sooo 20th century .... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :ROTF:

Francois
06-04-2009, 01:03 AM
ubuntu83

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drwho?

no no ... few words ... try to beat the Celeron of Massman if you can ...
8Ghz ... 7Ghz is sooo 20th century .... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :ROTF:

Francois

Yeah for a single core it is but for all four cores Intel will have to try hard.
:welcome:
06-04-2009, 06:30 PM
Drwho?

http://techgage.com/articles/confere...e_46_thumb.jpg
Hammer time!

Francois
06-04-2009, 07:09 PM
foch3 -USA-

Are you referring to MC hammers new reality TV show?
06-04-2009, 07:17 PM
Drwho?

Quote:

Originally Posted by foch3 -USA-

Are you referring to MC hammers new reality TV show?

more about the awesome song ... :ROTF:
06-04-2009, 07:54 PM
Donnie27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drwho?

more about the awesome song ... :ROTF:

Good one:up:
06-04-2009, 08:43 PM
570091D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drwho?

http://techgage.com/articles/confere...e_46_thumb.jpg
Hammer time!

Francois

:rofl::up:

any jucy info on this "octal-core"? ;)
06-05-2009, 12:32 AM
Shintai

LOL@The card :rofl:
06-05-2009, 02:12 AM
DoubleZero

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drwho?

no no ... few words ... try to beat the Celeron of Massman if you can ...
8Ghz ... 7Ghz is sooo 20th century .... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :ROTF:

Francois

lol comparing Phenom II x4 to a celeron :clap:
06-05-2009, 02:23 AM
Smartidiot89

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drwho?

http://techgage.com/articles/confere...e_46_thumb.jpg
Hammer time!

Francois

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoubleZero

lol comparing Phenom II x4 to a celeron :clap:

QFT

Wasn't it Intel that promised a Quad-Core nehalem at 7GHz with disabled parts, cause AMD used disabled parts on their first 6GHz clock - oh wait they didn't and Intel haven't delivered yet:(
06-05-2009, 02:25 AM
Chad Boga

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoubleZero

lol comparing Phenom II x4 to a celeron :clap:

I guess it shows how far AMD have fallen. ;)
06-05-2009, 02:27 AM
Shintai

Aint comparing a Phenom X4 to an i7 in the same neighbourhood as comparing a Celeron to Phenom X4? i7 is leagues above Phenom X4. Core 2 Quad vs Phenom X4 sure. And Phenom X4 reaches amazing clocks there (If LN2/LH only). However the performance delta between Phenom X4 and i7 is just too huge.
06-05-2009, 02:36 AM
Nedjo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drwho?

http://techgage.com/articles/confere...e_46_thumb.jpg
Hammer time!

Francois

and the photo of you has to do what with this thread or article?
06-05-2009, 02:43 AM
Chad Boga

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedjo

and the photo of you has to do what with this thread or article?

It was pure titillation baby, and by your response it obviously had the desired effect. :ROTF:
06-05-2009, 02:53 AM
Motiv

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

Aint comparing a Phenom X4 to an i7 in the same neighbourhood as comparing a Celeron to Phenom X4? i7 is leagues above Phenom X4. Core 2 Quad vs Phenom X4 sure. And Phenom X4 reaches amazing clocks there (If LN2/LH only). However the performance delta between Phenom X4 and i7 is just too huge.

Performance delta in games is just too huge or server space?
06-05-2009, 03:00 AM
Helmore

Something a little more on topic...
Lynnfield will be the last quadcores from Intel until Sandy Bridge? Am I right? I mean, Sandy Bridge won't be here until the end of 2010 and there will thus be a very long period with no new quad cores from Intel. Oh well, as long as Sandy Bridge will work on socket LGA 1156.
06-05-2009, 03:08 AM
Chad Boga

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmore

Something a little more on topic...
Lynnfield will be the last quadcores from Intel until Sandy Bridge? Am I right? I mean, Sandy Bridge won't be here until the end of 2010 and there will thus be a very long period with no new quad cores from Intel. Oh well, as long as Sandy Bridge will work on socket LGA 1156.

I doubt it will. Have Intel indicated that is the plan?
06-05-2009, 03:41 AM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmore

Something a little more on topic...
Lynnfield will be the last quadcores from Intel until Sandy Bridge? Am I right? I mean, Sandy Bridge won't be here until the end of 2010 and there will thus be a very long period with no new quad cores from Intel. Oh well, as long as Sandy Bridge will work on socket LGA 1156.

Maybe and maybe not. Its the last quadcore in terms of "lynnfield segment". However a later Clarkdale type might be quad. Lynnfields replacement is 6 core.
06-05-2009, 03:58 AM
Helmore

But Intel has thus far only said Gulftown will come to socket LGA 1366, they have not said it would come to socket LGA 1156. Which makes me think that there won't be any desktop quadcore (or 6 core) chip for socket LGA 1156 until Sandy Bridge.
06-05-2009, 04:00 AM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmore

But Intel has thus far only said Gulftown will come to socket LGA 1366, they have not said it would come to socket LGA 1156. Which makes me think that there won't be any desktop quadcore (or 6 core) chip for socket LGA 1156 until Sandy Bridge.

A 6 core for lynnfield replacement is easily over a year away.
06-05-2009, 04:13 AM
Helmore

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

A 6 core for lynnfield replacement is easily over a year away.

I have not seen a single road map from Intel with a Lynnfield replacement on it, except for future promises about Sandy Bridge.
06-05-2009, 05:36 AM
Donnie27

Sadly, AMD's marketing dept. still plays on folks being "hoodwinked". Look at the ads in the lower left corner of the page?

The ad on the Foxconn page says;

Unlock the power of Black! With the fastest overclocked processors in the world.

"Top overclocked speed: 6.5GHz Base Frequency starting at 2.6GHz.

http://www.foxconnchannel.com/Produc...lock_lp_03.jpg

Yet flat lies by AMD is OK but that other company is Crucified for anything close to these blatant lies:rofl: It is pretty said when AMD expects Noobs to fall for such things but to have supposed to be smarter than the Average Geek falling for such loonytoons is lame!
06-05-2009, 05:45 AM
Chickenfeed

Wow thats a new marketing low. Its one thing to exagerate but to flat out lie? Come on AMD pull your heads out of that dark place...

By the way did you hear, my old AMD 64 3500+ will destroy an i7 920.... when you disable 3 cores and underclock it to 200Hz :rofl:

Personally I feel they shouldn't even mention overclocking when it involves extreme cooling methods such as LN2. Like honestly how pratical is it to 24/7 a machine on L2N.

I really do hope AMD starts taking some hints from ATIs marketing division. At least they aren't completely out of their minds.
06-05-2009, 05:53 AM
Vozer

http://www.foxconnchannel.com/Produc...lock_lp_03.jpg

Hey, AMD even let Intel win once. What do you expect? :p:
06-05-2009, 06:06 AM
Donnie27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vozer

Hey, AMD even let Intel win once. What do you expect? :p:

:rofl: I think thats OK! One's better than nothing!

Yeah, Intel's Roadmap has changed as well. i5 and P55 isn't in the same category and seems to be moving up the price scale. Oh well, more of what happens when your competition is weak.
06-05-2009, 06:52 AM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donnie27

:rofl: I think thats OK! One's better than nothing!

Yeah, Intel's Roadmap has changed as well. i5 and P55 isn't in the same category and seems to be moving up the price scale. Oh well, more of what happens when your competition is weak.

So the P55 boards we see are what?

http://images.hardware.info/news/ASUS_P7P55_PRO-01.jpg

And Clarkdale/Lynnfield works in the same boards aswell.
06-05-2009, 07:38 AM
Nedjo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Boga

It was pure titillation baby, and by your response it obviously had the desired effect. :ROTF:

and you're who's personal spoke person?
06-05-2009, 07:54 AM
Vozer

Confirmed: Core i7 920, 940, 950 to go "soon"

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...0-to-go-soon/1

Quote:

COMPUTEX 2009: Despite Intel giving us the smiles yesterday, bit-tech has seen confirmed roadmaps of the future of Core i7

Despite telling us face to face yesterday that its Core i7 920 and 950 CPU's will be around for a little while yet, bit-tech has exclusively seen roadmaps and been given multiple confirmations that every-single-one of the X58 motherboard manufacturers is expecting: 920, 940, 950 and 965 are will be end-of-life by early next year.

Only the extortionately expensive 975 and the future 6-core LGA1366 CPUs will exist on this socket, with Lynnfield engulfing the entire middle field (we're hesitant to use the word "mainstream" considering the price).

LGA1366 and X58 motherboards will be thinned out in the next refresh in Q3/4 with the launch of Lynnfield on Sept. 1st, although no one had an exact date for the phasing out of these CPU products.

http://images.bit-tech.net/news_imag...rticle_img.jpg
We've confirmed that most of Intel's Core i7 range will go to be replaced by Lynnfield (above).

DrWho, could you say something about this?
06-05-2009, 09:05 AM
RPGWiZaRD

I don't personally mind it, i5 would get more focus so we'd get better motherboards and support for it. Looks like i5 and i7 are too close to each other performance wise and Intel want X58 to remain the highend/enthusiast (so it cuts down the "slow" CPUs) and seeing how it would stale the i7 sales pretty much as Intel doesn't probably want to offer i5 much cheaper (preferable same) as i7 lineup.

It's a logical choise but I honestly expect 950 to remain in the market too... Cutting almost the entire lineup like that is not a good way to make friends with mobo manufacturers. :p: If it's really true then we can see a lot more focus on P55 motherboards from now on and less on X58.
06-05-2009, 10:09 AM
Helmore

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

It's a logical choise but I honestly expect 950 to remain in the market too... Cutting almost the entire lineup like that is not a good way to make friends with mobo manufacturers. :p: If it's really true then we can see a lot more focus on P55 motherboards from now on and less on X58.

The article doesn't say that Intel is cutting the entire lineup, it pretty much states that pretty much all quad core chips will be replaced with Gulftown (6-core) when it arrives (for LGA 1366). Which is to be expected.
06-05-2009, 12:32 PM
Mumak

Gulftown (just one member of the Westmere family) is targeted at the HEDT segment, so a 6-core replacement of Bloomfield (Tylersburg-HEDT platform LGA1366).
Other members of this family are:
Westmere-EP, Westmere-WS, Westmere-EX (the segements are clear here)
Clarkdale and Arrandale MCP (replace cancelled Havendale and Auburndale with a 32nm CPU Hillel core instead of Gilo; Ironlake GMCH stays).
All Westmere-family (32mn) CPUs are compatible with previous (Nehalem 45nm) platforms.
Anyone missing the mainstream desktop/mobile (w/o GFX) segment in the Westmere family? Me too.. Haven't heared of anything here yet...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmore

But Intel has thus far only said Gulftown will come to socket LGA 1366, they have not said it would come to socket LGA 1156. Which makes me think that there won't be any desktop quadcore (or 6 core) chip for socket LGA 1156 until Sandy Bridge.
06-05-2009, 01:46 PM
orangekiwii

would a current x58 board be able to use future westmere processors with a bios update?

i'm thinking specifically towards the classified and other high end boards
06-05-2009, 01:53 PM
SamWise

The Westmere Xeon EP for the 1366 socket is going to be upto 6 cores i.e. 4 and 6 cores.

http://diy.it365.com/imagelist/2009/...ny30iaifio.png

I expect that around Q1 2010, there will be 4 and 6 core versions of Westmere (Gulftown) that will replace the current i7 processors.
06-05-2009, 02:00 PM
Hornet331

why is everyone suprised that westmere will run on s1366? Intel said from the introduction onwards that Westmere will run current X58 S1366 boards...
06-05-2009, 03:31 PM
Chad Boga

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedjo

and you're who's personal spoke person?

Not last time I checked, but I do have a habit of speaking out against blatant idiocy. :welcome:
06-05-2009, 03:34 PM
ILikeCosmosS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hornet331

why is everyone suprised that westmere will run on s1366? Intel said from the introduction onwards that Westmere will run current X58 S1366 boards...

isnt that after the x58 chipset gets B3 steppping?
06-05-2009, 03:39 PM
Drwho?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vozer

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...0-to-go-soon/1

DrWho, could you say something about this?

that is funny how people always complain about the price of 731millions transistors beating at 3.3Ghz and turboing at 3.6Ghz ...
Something people need to get use to, if you don t charge premium for premium parts, you end up selling your fabs ... to pay for the bills ... :shakes: :shrug:

an other thing, Intel is doing Tick Tock ... so, the past is a year, innovation goes fast, and new product come out at very high speed. Now, few people find a way to complain about it ... some product dissapear faster than in the past ... well, Tech-bit is innacurate in his claims, but it is innovation at its best. 940 dissapeared ... there are good reason, The marketing at intel optimized the product line, to make sure we can pay for the next fabs ... and nobody can say it is a bad thing ... WE all know how it end up if you don t pay attention to the balance sheet to pay for the fabs.

The management at Intel is very good at keeping the book safe, and this is one example of it.

Francois
06-05-2009, 06:45 PM
xVeinx

The argument, I'm guessing, is that the dearth of processor purchases that took place during the first and even second quarters has changed the roadmap. People aren't willing to buy as expensive of computers as before the recession. So, by revamping the roadmap and focusing on the mainstream, Intel can produce processors that people will buy in larger quantities rather than for a smaller, rather niche market as it were. Intel has limited fab space, so dedicating it to processors that will more likely sell (ie, not requiring a more expensive chipset, etc) makes sense. Whether or not this will limit the lifespan of the 1366 socket/platform remains to be seen, as does the status of the PC market. The six-core westmere processors will come out soon enough, albeit at a premium, along with any 4 core processors (ie, 975, etc.). Then again, you don't go and buy an i7 thinking it's going to be budget and to be able to install cheap processors/parts. Does the price go up? Sure, and I don't imagine I'll be plunking down $1k for a 975 any time soon. On the other hand, there isn't any indication that there won't be westmere alternatives that aren't more affordable. So, before the panic attack, lets wait for things to settle. There isn't a deadline for when the i7 920 is eol anyway.
06-05-2009, 07:26 PM
salad

Much as I think Intel is a sleazy company, I LOVE the 6 DIMM slots on 1366. Can socket 1156 support 6 mem slots? I saw an i5 board recently with 6 slots, does anybody have more info on this?

As far as I'm concerned 1156 is fine if it supports 12GB mem using common 2GB sticks.
06-05-2009, 08:43 PM
Chickenfeed

i5 is dual channel, thats one of the main thing that sets it appart from i7. However there was a thread with news that one of the mem companies claim that kits will be in 4x2GB sizes soon enough so you should still be able to do your 12GB+ ram
06-06-2009, 12:04 AM
570091D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donnie27

Remember something Drwho? You can be the best hooker in town but if you consistently charge too much, all of that great sexual experience will only please fewer and fewer customers.

WTF?!?

lga1366 has and will always be a performance/server platform. i'm willing to bet that next year there will only be 6+ core cpu's available for 1366. lga1156 is the mainstream platform, and they will be offering us quads, duels, imbeded graphics, hyperthreading.... intel has been nothing but up front about this. people seem to be upset about the difference in performance between 1366 and 1156 cpu's, but this is a comparison that can't really be accurately demonstrated (because there are no 1156 cpu's to test for one). but the fact is that 1366 was created for people that actually need 8 threads and tripple chanel memory. i can't think of an application (outside the server realm) that can really use all of the i7's power. when we do see production 1156 parts, i don't think there will be much of a difference 1160 and 1366 performance concerning desktop applications. now if someone has the forsight to test them using some server apps....... :eek:
06-06-2009, 12:05 AM
Vozer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drwho?

an other thing, Intel is doing Tick Tock ... so, the past is a year, innovation goes fast, and new product come out at very high speed.

A little off-topic, but I hope Intel will apply Tick-Tock to their graphics products as well. :up: Nvidia and their big mouth need to taste a bit of it. :D
06-06-2009, 12:43 AM
Donnie27

Quote:

Originally Posted by 570091D

WTF?!?

lga1366 has and will always be a performance/server platform. i'm willing to bet that next year there will only be 6+ core cpu's available for 1366. lga1160is the mainstream platform, and they will be offering us quads, duels, imbeded graphics, hyperthreading.... intel has been nothing but up front about this. people seem to be upset about the difference in performance between 1366 and 1160 cpu's, but this is a comparison that can't really be accurately demonstrated (because there are no 1160 cpu's to test for one). but the fact is that 1366 was created for people that actually need 8 threads and tripple chanel memory. i can't think of an application (outside the server realm) that can really use all of the i7's power. when we do see production 1160 parts, i don't think there will be much of a difference 1160 and 1366 performance concerning desktop applications. now if someone has the forsight to test them using some server apps....... :eek:

Sorry, I wasn't merely talking about just i7 but i5 and Penryns as well. Frankly I don't give a flip about what Intel or AMD will be doing but what they are doing right now! I don't care about upgrade paths or I'd still be using on of my P35. I expect a new board based on performance and Price.

Example
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115055
No way in hell that processor is worth $159 no matter WTF AMD is selling.

i5 or soon to be relabled as i7 whatever was listed as Mainstread and that's what I was talking about. Socket 1156 is Quickly becoming the New 1366 Price wise. I got an EMail of another VAR about another P55 going for $229 and I was thinking "Yeah, right". He even typed a :rofl: himself LOL! As I told Shintai, I'm not even interested until maybe May 2010 before I even start shopping!
06-06-2009, 01:16 AM
Cooper

Thread cleaned.
Please stay away from personal insults.
06-06-2009, 04:26 PM
570091D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donnie27

Sorry, I wasn't merely talking about just i7 but i5 and Penryns as well. Frankly I don't give a flip about what Intel or AMD will be doing but what they are doing right now! I don't care about upgrade paths or I'd still be using on of my P35. I expect a new board based on performance and Price.

Example
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115055
No way in hell that processor is worth $159 no matter WTF AMD is selling.

i5 or soon to be relabled as i7 whatever was listed as Mainstread and that's what I was talking about. Socket 1156 is Quickly becoming the New 1366 Price wise. I got an EMail of another VAR about another P55 going for $229 and I was thinking "Yeah, right". He even typed a :rofl: himself LOL! As I told Shintai, I'm not even interested until maybe May 2010 before I even start shopping!

well, there are no 1156 boards or processors on the market, so it's a bit early to assume that 1156 parts will step right in to 1366 price ranges. and if that does happen, intel will be forced to change thier pricing. if 1156 systems start within the price range of 1366 systems, no-one will buy them. everyone will opt for the 1366 system for longevity. i believe intel knows this and will price thier product accordingly. also, 1156 has the "economies of scale" pricipal on it's side. intel will inevitably make more 1156 parts than 1366 parts, so the 1156 parts will be cheaper to make and probably have a lower profit margin than 1366. this will play out well for the mainstream market, i do believe intel is genuine about it's plans to stop the core2 series when lynnfield production ramps up. lynnfield will probably step right into core2's price segment with a boost in performance, putting the pressure on amd to lower prices to remain competative. i see this as playing out well for us.

but then, we won't know for sure until september.

Quote:

Thread cleaned.
Please stay away from personal insults.

thank you Cooper!:up:
06-06-2009, 04:33 PM
orangekiwii

should someone buy a core i7 920 D0 now then... or wait for westmere to get in?

i don't wanna pay a ton for a top performing lga1366... but if they're discontinuing everything...
06-06-2009, 04:41 PM
Helmore

Quote:

Originally Posted by orangekiwii

should someone buy a core i7 920 D0 now then... or wait for westmere to get in?

i don't wanna pay a ton for a top performing lga1366... but if they're discontinuing everything...

Everything is going to be discontinued at some point in time....
Core i7 920 will probably be discontinued when Gulftown (6-core Westmere) arrives, which is in Q1 of 2010. That's all the article says. Nothing special in other words.
06-06-2009, 06:59 PM
highoctane

It seems fairly regular of Intel to EOL lowest bin chips when newer chips come out which may mean 950 will move down to replace and take the price point of 920 maybe when Westmere is released. By 920 going EOL and the 950 taking its place there should be a little more distance between i7 and i5 in the base clock speed overlap.
06-06-2009, 08:19 PM
salad

Anybody know what the difference is between P55 and P57? And what are the H55 and H57?
06-07-2009, 01:21 AM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by salad

Anybody know what the difference is between P55 and P57? And what are the H55 and H57?

Basicly the flash slot. H and Q5x is targetted at value/business
06-07-2009, 11:40 PM
duploxxx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drwho?

that is funny how people always complain about the price of 731millions transistors beating at 3.3Ghz and turboing at 3.6Ghz ...
Something people need to get use to, if you don t charge premium for premium parts, you end up selling your fabs ... to pay for the bills ... :shakes: :shrug:

an other thing, Intel is doing Tick Tock ... so, the past is a year, innovation goes fast, and new product come out at very high speed. Now, few people find a way to complain about it ... some product dissapear faster than in the past ... well, Tech-bit is innacurate in his claims, but it is innovation at its best. 940 dissapeared ... there are good reason, The marketing at intel optimized the product line, to make sure we can pay for the next fabs ... and nobody can say it is a bad thing ... WE all know how it end up if you don t pay attention to the balance sheet to pay for the fabs.

The management at Intel is very good at keeping the book safe, and this is one example of it.

Francois

is that all you can bring to the table DrWho :confused:

No issues with paying the price for highest performing parts, this has always being the case at any point in history for any vendor. There are always people that what to keep spilling there budget for there e-penis or to clame highest online virtual scores, however this has nothing the do with fabs and overall profit, sales on this part are very low volume and the profit margin for distribution/end-sales are way higher then volume parts, so cut the fab crap and underlying hints to other vendors. If it wasn't for the long known brand name and illegal sales Intel would be in a much worse shape then they are now, no matter how good the platform is/was or whatever. (you know the one thing that management is good at is forcing...)

sales on x58 i7 are very bad and will only get worse if that is the way forward, your CEO was only to claim 1milj sales after 1 full quarter where they had to add a heap of pre-supply EP Nehalem to get to that milestone. i5 is nowhere near the high-end platform with its crippled amount of pci-e lanes and you will pay the price for that, no matter how good your cpu might be, perhaps check some reality game benchmarks, no need for high-end uber expensive motherboard +cpu and that is what reflects in sales, it is because 920 is so cheap that i7 volume is still there, the one Intel is going to cut out.
Other people just buy s775 platform or even am2+ - am3, those platforms have a much better price/performance ratio.

Quote:

Originally Posted by salad

Much as I think Intel is a sleazy company, I LOVE the 6 DIMM slots on 1366. Can socket 1156 support 6 mem slots? I saw an i5 board recently with 6 slots, does anybody have more info on this?

As far as I'm concerned 1156 is fine if it supports 12GB mem using common 2GB sticks.

pls add a list of sw that really needs your 12GB RAM more then just 8GB or the third mem channel on desktop platforms, you know... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagination

I know a few where this could benefit but you would require a double investment on IO before you benefit from the added mem value.

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