MSI Wind U110 ECO with Mobility Radeon HD3200?

Here is the press release.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4470/0903161.jpg

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Originally Posted by MSI

U110 ECO Spec
Processor Intel® Atom™ Processor Z530 (1.60GHz)
Operation System

Genuine Windows® XP Home
Genuine Windows®Vista Home Basic
Chipset Intel® Poulsbo US15W
Graphic Ati Mobility Radeon HD3200
Memory DDR2 533MHz, 1 GB (Chipset support to 2GB)
LCD 10" 1024x600 LCD Panel
Storage 160GB or above (2.5" SATA HDD)
Card Reader 4 in 1 (XD/SD/MMC/Memory Stick)
I/O D-sub x 1 , USB 2.0 x 3 , Mic-in , Headphone, RJ45
Battery 3 cells / 6 cells ( option)
Wireless 802.11b/g/n, 802.11b/g, Bluetooth V2.0EDR (option)
Communication Modem, 10/100/1000 Mbps GbE LAN
Webcam 1.3 M / 2.0M (Option)
Sound 2 speakers
Dimension 260*180*19-31.5mm
Weight ~1.0 Kg (including 3 cells battery)

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They claim 9 hours batery life with a 6-cell.

What's strange is that they don't mention the external graphics as a highlighted feature. Also, a Mobility Radeon HD3200 doesn't exist.. as a discrete graphics card.. and it's certainly not the IGP in the Poulsbo chipset. This could be an underclocked HD3410 (RV620) without dedicated memory, though. The poulsbo has 2 PCI-Express lanes, and I bet only one would be perfectly enough to make the link to such a low-end GPU.
Either way, it's a solution that should stay behind the 9300M G from the N10J (mainly because of the lack of dedicated memory), but at the same time it would be a lot faster than the GN40 and run circles around the GMA 950.




Or.. this could simply be a typo.. :down:

If it is correct I may swap my current MSI Wind U100 for it...

The Poulsbo chipset has a nice PowerVR IGP, I bet it's a typo.

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Originally Posted by doompc

The Poulsbo chipset has a nice PowerVR IGP, I bet it's a typo.

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"Nice IGP"? To do what? Web browsing and word apps? The GMA 500 is even worse than the GMA 950 @ 133Mhz, and its only interesting feature, the H.264 acceleration, has never been put to use due to nightmare drivers. Thank Tungsten for that..


If this netbook really has this discrete GPU, it will be miles away from the rest of the netbook flock. Otherwise I wouldn't make a news thread about it.

if this does have what they state i'm buying it for my sister for uni :)

This one is 10"? it's nice :)

but can it play HD movies?

no significant difference i see between this and the current wind. only the processor and chipset slightly changed for lower power consumption. i was hoping they stretched out the screen a little bit to 11" since there's still so much space on the frame that's wasted, or at least increase the resolution.

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Originally Posted by doompc

The Poulsbo chipset has a nice PowerVR IGP, I bet it's a typo.

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I dont think P-VR makes IGPs. ANd they're latest gfx are supposed to be quite good actually considering their target market

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Originally Posted by WhiteFireDragon

no significant difference i see between this and the current wind. only the processor and chipset slightly changed for lower power consumption. i was hoping they stretched out the screen a little bit to 11" since there's still so much space on the frame that's wasted, or at least increase the resolution.

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Besides the 40sp DX10.1 HD3200, you mean?

Not the only Atom system with ATI graphics.

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Originally Posted by Mats

Not the only Atom system with ATI graphics.

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lol it uses XP, was that cause its cheaper, or cause its better for performance and energy consuption.

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

lol it uses XP, was that cause its cheaper, or cause its better for performance and energy consuption.

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Good question, tho it couldn't hurt to have the support for it I guess.:D

having a 3200 will make it a great media box

and XP is cheaper and u dont have to have a custom installer to work properly with SSD, but i would bet that win7 will be available on it when its out

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Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

Or.. this could simply be a typo.. :down:

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99% it is...

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Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

due to nightmare drivers. Thank Tungsten for that..

If this netbook really has this discrete GPU, it will be miles away from the rest of the netbook flock. Otherwise I wouldn't make a news thread about it.

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No, thank Intel's driver-coding talents :D
Took them, what, a year, to enable Dx10 capabilities in G965? :rofl:

Take a look at the Asus N10-whatever (-j?), which has N270+945GS+
a discrete Gef9300GS -- on tests, it could even run CoD4 (at low
quality and a bit jerky, but it did run nonetheless...)

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

but can it play HD movies?

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What I was expecting: "but can it play Crysis?"
What I got: "but can it play HD movies?"
Bah...
:D
To answer: no. No single-Atom netbook will ever be able to play Full HD.
Decoding relies on either a very good decoding-accelerator chip with
a good driver and a media player that's written to put exactly that
chip's capabilities to use; and also that you stay with the video
coding/compression types that this works on; or the decoding is done
by the cpu, and it takes a decent 1.2-1.5GHz DC cpu.

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Originally Posted by WhiteFireDragon

no significant difference i see between this and the current wind. only the processor and chipset slightly changed for lower power consumption. i was hoping they stretched out the screen a little bit to 11" since there's still so much space on the frame that's wasted, or at least increase the resolution.

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Slightly changed for lower power consumption?
This cpu+chipset has less than half the consumption!!
This could easily mean +50% battery life, even more under load!
That is a bloody significant difference there.

What you are asking, I'm sorry to disappoint you, will not happen
with netbooks that have XP. Microsoft and Intel set the rules that for a
netbook to be eligible for the otherwise discontinued XP, the screen can
be no bigger than 10.2" 1024*600, and the HDD 160GB.

If you want bigger screen with higher resolution, then you can either
a.) only get a netbook with vista (Dell mini 12 has 12.1" 1280*800,
Atom+Poulsbo; some more coming later), but Vista will make the netbook
uncomfortably slow; or
b.) you get an ultraportable instead of a netbook. I bought a used
Vaio TX3 with 11.1" 1366*768 screen and 1.2GHz Core Solo for just a bit
more than an average 10"-screen netbook

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Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR

I dont think P-VR makes IGPs. ANd they're latest gfx are supposed to be quite good actually considering their target market

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They don't make, but who said that?
Intel licenses it from them.
And with intel's drivers, their performance is... ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Frank M

No, thank Intel's driver-coding talents :D
Took them, what, a year, to enable Dx10 capabilities in G965? :rofl:

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No, it's Tungsten Graphics who's writing the drivers for the GMA 500.

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Originally Posted by Frank M

What I was expecting: "but can it play Crysis?"
What I got: "but can it play HD movies?"
Bah...
:D
To answer: no. No single-Atom netbook will ever be able to play Full HD.
Decoding relies on either a very good decoding-accelerator chip with
a good driver and a media player that's written to put exactly that
chip's capabilities to use; and also that you stay with the video
coding/compression types that this works on; or the decoding is done
by the cpu, and it takes a decent 1.2-1.5GHz DC cpu.

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UVD and VP2/3 do full-HD stream decoding with almost no CPU utilization. Both Ion and this "possible" HD3200 would easily play HD with an Atom CPU, if the hardware acceleration is activated.
As long as you have dedicated hardware acceleration, HD playback is no problem at all.
The latest stand-alone Bluray players have been using low-power MIPS CPUs as the main processor, for example.

Why should M$ set the rules for what constitutes a netbook?

Only because they no longer sell xp except in their third-world-country-everyone-has-access-to-a-computer-program. And probably ATMs and stuff. It's the only way to buy an xp license now.

So basically they constrain these budget models to ensure they are low power.

What they need, however, is to revise their limitations. Because we want to use them in first world countries too, obviously. The requirements are way too low - one slight step out of line, and you've got to start running vista, which just doesnt work on less than a laptop. Work well, I mean.

Mind you my favourite OS was win2000 :)

If they'd just allow bigger screens, so we could have bigger keyboards to type for hours at a time, we'd also end up with plenty of space for a big battery. And we would have an absolute winner. I understand why they dont (who'd buy the more expensive laptop?) but its an absolute PAIN.

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Originally Posted by laptopmag

Early reports indicated that it would have an ATI Mobility Radeon HD3200 graphics card. Andy Tung of MSI confirmed this was a misprint on the company’s Website.

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Source.



Bleh, don't care anymore.

This thread could be closed for all I know.

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Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

UVD and VP2/3 do full-HD stream decoding with almost no CPU utilization. Both Ion and this "possible" HD3200 would easily play HD with an Atom CPU, if the hardware acceleration is activated.
As long as you have dedicated hardware acceleration, HD playback is no problem at all.
The latest stand-alone Bluray players have been using low-power MIPS CPUs as the main processor, for example.

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No.
They can only accelerate decoding if
- the format is supported
- the driver is well written
- the media player software takes advantage of those hw features.
Give it a video of a different format and all those hw decoding features
become useless, and in that case, only the cpu counts. A half-ass
driver: ditto. A media player that doesn't support hw acceleration: ditto.

Bluray players work well because disc are of a given encoding format,
so they are specialized on those. If you give them a different format,
they are useless.

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Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

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told you...

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Originally Posted by Frank M

No.
(...)
Give it a video of a different format and all those hw decoding features
become useless, and in that case, only the cpu counts. A half-ass
driver: ditto. A media player that doesn't support hw acceleration: ditto.

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Yes.
What format is not supported by ATI and nVidia GPUs?
Media Player Classic HomeCinema supports mkv with hardware decoding and PowerDVD supports pretty much everything else.

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Originally Posted by Frank M

Bluray players work well because disc are of a given encoding format,
so they are specialized on those. If you give them a different format,
they are useless.

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Well, DUH, it's a standalone blu-ray player.
But players with AVI and MKV support should come out eventually, like the DVD players with Divx/Xvid support.

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Originally Posted by Frank M

told you...

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Actually, I told that myself in the first post. :P

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Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

Yes.
What format is not supported by ATI and nVidia GPUs?

Well, DUH, it's a standalone blu-ray player.
But players with AVI and MKV support should come out eventually, like the DVD players with Divx/Xvid support.

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Look at real-world tests, MPEG4, MPEG4/AVC and VC-1 still show
considerable CPU utilization with strong DC cpus -- so their implementation
can still be called incomplete.
What formats? Additions to MPEG4 since it's 2003 finalization, new
and upcoming coding methods.

avi, mkv and a bunch more are just containers.
What matters is the video stream's encoding.

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Originally Posted by Frank M

Look at real-world tests, MPEG4, MPEG4/AVC and VC-1 still show
considerable CPU utilization with strong DC cpus -- so their implementation
can still be called incomplete.

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:rolleyes:

We've been talking about hardware acceleration+Atom the whole thread and since you got to the conclusion you weren't right, you're just making up senseless side-talks so you don't have to twist your arm.
Guess what? I'll stop feeding you from now on.


This thread should be locked anyways.

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Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

:rolleyes:

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Are you trying to troll me?

I said, look at real world test.
G45, 780G, Gef9400 with 2.5-3GHz DC Core / K8 can all use 20-40% average,
with spikes up 60-70%. Could an Atom, which is a weak, SC 1.6G cpu,
handle that without hiccups?
No, depending on the media, bitrate and encoding, I don't think you'll have
flawless playback in any case. May work in most of the cases if it all the
conditions are met, but there will be cases where it will not work out all
that well.

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Originally Posted by Frank M

I said, look at real world test.
G45, 780G, Gef9400 with 2.5-3GHz DC Core / K8 can all use 20-40% average,
with spikes up 60-70%.

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Oh really?

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/8...80px264.th.jpg
Wait.. is that a 1% CPU usage with GPU acceleration? No, it couldn't be! :eek:

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Originally Posted by Frank M

Could an Atom, which is a weak, SC 1.6G cpu,
handle that without hiccups?

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Yes:

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Originally Posted by Guru3D

My experiences. I've tested the software on four different machines, and can summarize this:

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NVIDIA ION | Intel Atom 230 | 2GB - Accelerates well, stutters when enabling Shaders
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nForce 730 | Core 2 Q6600 | 2 GB | GeForce 8800 GTS 512MB - Flawless playback including combined shaders
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AMD 790 FX | Phenom 9950 | 2 GB | integrated GPU - Accelerates well, stutters when enabling Shaders
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X58 | Core i7 965 | 6 GB | Radeon HD 4650 512MB - Flawless playback including combined shaders

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(Note: by "enabling Shaders", he means to force additional post-processing through shaders like sharpening and emboss)
Source

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Originally Posted by Frank M

Are you trying to troll me?

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If you're not being a troll, you're definitely trying to show some knowledge about things you don't understand. Oops, we know the definition for that.

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Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

Oh really?
Wait.. is that a 1% CPU usage with

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an 8-core system or 8-thread CPU at who-knows-what frequency, that,
at the given moment has just 1% -- aren't you stretching the thing a
bit? What I was talking about is DC cpus and a SC, 2-thread cpu.

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Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

If you're not being a troll, you're definitely trying to show some knowledge about things you don't understand. Oops, we know the definition for that.

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This style is getting too personal and provocative.
Thank you, I've had about enough of it.

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Originally Posted by Frank M

an 8-core system or 8-thread CPU at who-knows-what frequency, that,
at the given moment has just 1% -- aren't you stretching the thing a
bit? What I was talking about is DC cpus and a SC, 2-thread cpu.

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It's a Nehalem i920@stock.
Yeah, with a 2.5Ghz dual-core the usage would skyrocket.. to 3% lol.
Far away from your 20-40% made-up usage.

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Originally Posted by Frank M

This style is getting too personal and provocative.
Thank you, I've had about enough of it.

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"Oops I was wrong.. let me think of a cool way of not admiting I was wrong and escape this conversation."
Pride and arrogance really distort some people.. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

It's a Nehalem i920@stock.
Yeah, with a 2.5Ghz dual-core the usage would skyrocket.. to 3% lol.
Far away from your 20-40% made-up usage.

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For example:
G45 http://www.silentpcreview.com/article889-page5.html
Gef9300 http://www.silentpcreview.com/article892-page5.html
780G http://www.silentpcreview.com/article877-page5.html
and they have many more reviews that show the same.
Not 3%.

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Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

"Oops I was wrong.. let me think of a cool way of not admiting I was wrong and escape this conversation."
Pride and arrogance really distort some people.. :shrug:

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Your turn.
What's with that stretching of showing an 8-thread processor when
it's momentarily 1%?

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Originally Posted by Frank M

For example:
G45 http://www.silentpcreview.com/article889-page5.html
Gef9300 http://www.silentpcreview.com/article892-page5.html
780G http://www.silentpcreview.com/article877-page5.html
and they have many more reviews that show the same.
Not 3%.

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:rofl:
The tests where the video is being decoded through hardware show a 10% CPU usage on nVidia and ATI hardware, with the CPUs underclocked!
You're just burying yourself here..

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Originally Posted by Frank M

What's with that stretching of showing an 8-thread processor when
it's momentarily 1%?

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Why don't you read the entire article before saying such nonsene?

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Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

:rofl:
The tests where the video is being decoded through hardware show a 10% CPU usage on nVidia and ATI hardware, with the CPUs underclocked!
You're just burying yourself here..

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10%? I see much higher average and peak values... Those are all
HD-equivalent streams listed there. E.g. G45, E7300@2.53G: 28-50%
avg, 39-63% peak cpu usage.
And yes, these are those chipsets (G45, 780G and Gef9300) that have hw
decoding acceleration; they are even using a player that supports it.

Underclocked? There's two sets of stats, one for full speed and only the
other is underclocked. Even the full speed tests show high avg and peak.

I think you're the one that's burying himself here.
It's clear that you are just trolling, I've proven my point and you are
still just making lame excuses. Kthxbai.

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Originally Posted by Frank M

10%? I see much higher average and peak values... Those are all
HD-equivalent streams listed there. E.g. G45, E7300@2.53G: 28-50%
avg, 39-63% peak cpu usage.

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I said "nVidia and ATI GPUs". I never said Intel GMA 4500. It's obvious that no hardware acceleration is working there. Typical deviaton of someone who's lost their reason in the previous page and is desperately trying to twist things in its way.


Now I'm sure I'm not going to feed you anymore.

lets be clear, its obvious hardware acceleration is being supported more often every day. in 6 months onboard video cards may be able to play any format conceived, its limited mostly by drivers, and can change at a moments notice.

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

lets be clear, its obvious hardware acceleration is being supported more often every day. in 6 months onboard video cards may be able to play any format conceived, its limited mostly by drivers, and can change at a moments notice.

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It's not in 6 months.. it's right now, with any ATI and nVidia DX10 hardware.

Name one widely used container or one widely used format that's not hardware accelerated.. there is none.

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Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

I said "nVidia and ATI GPUs". I never said Intel GMA 4500. It's obvious that no hardware acceleration is working there.

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Ok, then Gef9300, E7300@2.53G:
avg 6-53%
peak 11-64%
780G, 4850e@2.5G:
avg 5-67%
peak 10-79%

Now what?

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Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

Typical deviaton of someone who's lost their reason in the previous page and is desperately trying to twist things in its way.


Now I'm sure I'm not going to feed you anymore.

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I see this now came back to you:

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Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

"Oops I was wrong.. let me think of a cool way of not admiting I was wrong and escape this conversation."
Pride and arrogance really distort some people.. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz

It's not in 6 months.. it's right now, with any ATI and nVidia DX10 hardware.

Name one widely used container or one widely used format that's not hardware accelerated.. there is none.

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ive had alot of trouble with my 2900xt, its the first dx10 card they made, and dosnt have native UVD but supposedly that was cause its just too powerful to need the UVD chip. and i really dont care cause i have a PII 940 at 3.5ghz. i cant say if ill have the same problems with newer cards or not.

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

ive had alot of trouble with my 2900xt, its the first dx10 card they made, and dosnt have native UVD but supposedly that was cause its just too powerful to need the UVD chip. and i really dont care cause i have a PII 940 at 3.5ghz. i cant say if ill have the same problems with newer cards or not.

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Well I have to admit there's the exception of the first generation of high-end cards from both ATI and nVidia. Both G80 and R600 lack dedicated, fixed function hardware acceleration for H.264 and VC-1 in PowerDVD.

However, the DXVA acceleration from MPC HomeCinema is done through shaders alone, so if you use that software you'll get hardware acceleration with your 2900XT. Just try it ;)

i have MPC, but i dont know if its the HomeCinema version, and i have played around with the filters alot, i just upscale to 1920 wide and thats about it. i cant find any that improve quality without killing the cpu. mainly de-noise would be nice, but it overall looked to do a crappy job anyway.

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

i have MPC, but i dont know if its the HomeCinema version, and i have played around with the filters alot, i just upscale to 1920 wide and thats about it. i cant find any that improve quality without killing the cpu. mainly de-noise would be nice, but it overall looked to do a crappy job anyway.

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MPC HomeCinema is a whole different project.

It's the player guru3D used for H.264 hardware decoding in a matroska container (it's the only one who does it):

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Originally Posted by Sourceforge

Modern graphics card offer the possibility to decode partially or completely a video stream using DirectX Video Acceleration (DXVA), in order to reduce CPU usage dramatically. MPC-HC includes an embedded video decoder that uses this technology, to decode H.264 and VC-1 with hardly any CPU time required.

Unfortunately the MPC-HC decoder only supports the "bitstream mode" at this stage, which means that only the most recent graphic cards are supported :

* nVidia series 8(9)xxx for H.264 only
* ATI Radeon HD series for H.264 and VC-1 decoding

"Motion compensation" mode might be added in the future to increase compatibility with older graphic cards, but I cannot promise anything. Mpeg2 and WMV accelerations are not supported either.

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why would u want an NV GPU in a netbook, u arnt going to be gaming on it more than flash games or pop cap so u dont need rendering and for video pure is pure trash in IQ, were AVIVO has the same or better IQ than dedicated devices and includes audio on the card so it can remove the onboard audio

yeah kinda of pointless to game at 1024x600

I guess for the wow addicts out there

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Originally Posted by zanzabar

why would u want an NV GPU in a netbook, u arnt going to be gaming on it more than flash games or pop cap so u dont need rendering and for video pure is pure trash in IQ, were AVIVO has the same or better IQ than dedicated devices and includes audio on the card so it can remove the onboard audio

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Originally Posted by strange|ife

yeah kinda of pointless to game at 1024x600

I guess for the wow addicts out there

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It's not you or Intel or Microsoft who decide if I play games on my netbook or not. It's me. It's the buyer who decides what to do with its netbook.

My netbook is something I carry with me all the time. I have many waiting hours (plane, train, bus, etc) where I would use the netbook for gaming. I could also take it to LANs if I have a spare LCD.
I like #gaming#, I don't just like #gaming in my desktop#.

Claiming it's pointless to play at 1024*600 is... well, it's pointless. Only in the 2000s people started to use 1024*768 as a standard resolution and gaming certainly wasn't "pointless" until then. All games are made with GUIs that scale with the resolution, so that's not a problem either. And that resolution in a screen this size will actually provide very good detail.
I guess you also never heard of the fastest-selling gaming machine of all time, the Nintendo DS, which has two 256*192 screens?

im not saying that u cant game but getting something graphically more than the cpu can handle. and with the choice of a 3200 or a 9300 the 3200 has better IQ and they have similar performance, im just saying that no1 (or atleast no1 serious) will try something like crysis or COD4 with the atom cpu so the 3200 is a good match.

and most of the DS games are nothing more than flash or pop cap style games driven by marketing and previous consoles

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Originally Posted by zanzabar

im not saying that u cant game but getting something graphically more than the cpu can handle. and with the choice of a 3200 or a 9300 the 3200 has better IQ and they have similar performance, im just saying that no1 (or atleast no1 serious) will try something like crysis or COD4 with the atom cpu so the 3200 is a good match.

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Trying to play COD4 and Crysis in a netbook would be.. stupid..
But to have some serious gaming in the netbook, it doesn't have to be the latest or most demanding games to this day.

A 9400M or a HD32000 with Atom/Nano would allow us to play UT2004 (maxed @1024*600), Far Cry (medium @1024*600), most MMORPGs to date, Half-Life2, CS:S, Doom 3, Quake IV, both KOTORs maxed out, Sims2, GTA:SA, Indigo Prophecy, CIV4, Portal and many others.
Now tell me: isn't this serious gaming?

or you can make it a ps1 emulator and play some of the greatest RPGs ever

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or you can make it a ps1 emulator and play some of the greatest RPGs ever

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Bleh I can do that with my Eeepc right now :P
I could even do that in my 4-year old PocketPC lol.

What I would really like is decent XBox1 and PS2 emulation. Playing God Of War with AA forced on would be nice :)

Anyways, what happened to emulation? It kinda stopped with the PS2/XBox generation.. the latest emulator versions date from 2003 or so..

This is a SHAM.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/17/m...longer-intere/

MSI reported that the Wind ECO does NOT have the HD 3200. It was a misprint.

Perkam

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Originally Posted by perkam

This is a SHAM.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/17/m...longer-intere/

MSI reported that the Wind ECO does NOT have the HD 3200. It was a misprint.

Perkam

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Yes, we know.

Not Perkam

not sure which is worse, them falsely advertising, or Perkman reposting

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

lets be clear, its obvious hardware acceleration is being supported more often every day. in 6 months onboard video cards may be able to play any format conceived, its limited mostly by drivers, and can change at a moments notice.

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UVD, the 120mw VXD HD, etc are all hardcoded hardware decoders AFAIK. So, no drivers will make they capable of decoding rmvb, or1080p H.264 with 9 reference frames, etc.

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Name one widely used container or one widely used format that's not hardware accelerated.. there is none.

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AFAIK, there is no hardware aceleration for containers. I think it is all software based and is a matter of player support. And most containers can hold non-hardware-acelerable streams, or be extended in non-standart ways (mp4's private track ID, for example). So you can get an mp4 or mkv that won't play in dxva accelerated players. In addition to that, some containers that may not be supported: OGM (.ogm), Ogg Video (.ogg, .ogv), Quicktime (.mov) or Realmedia (.rm, .rmvb), etc.

An small list of most relevant codecs: Real media, Windows media video 9, VP6 (old flash codec, among other less important uses), theora (very used in the open-source comunity), dirac (probably will be pushed by BBC soon), MJPEG (used by many cancorders), any lossless or screen-recording codec, etc. Also, any new awsome codec that appear in comming years will be hurted by not being hardware-accelerated.

In addition to that, any non blue-ray or HD-DVD H.264 video that don't folow the unpublished DXVA standarts (that only recently are being discovery by trial and error) is problematic. Most re-encodes are not compatible. I'm not sure about the Mpeg4 ASP support at this time (things like GMC and qpel can still be an problem).

Also, the status of hardware acceleration on Linux is very bad.

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

not sure which is worse, them falsely advertising, or Perkman reposting

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Amidst people calling each other trolls I was under the impression that the news hadn't hit XS.

Also, Tottentranz having posted it does not take away my right to vent my anger over this...I was seriously considering this laptop :(

Perkam

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UVD, the 120mw VXD HD, etc are all hardcoded hardware decoders AFAIK. So, no drivers will make they capable of decoding rmvb, or1080p H.264 with 9 reference frames, etc.


AFAIK, there is no hardware aceleration for containers.

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Of course not, I was saying any codec in any container, among those who are widely used.

I referred this because until a month ago, the hardware acceleration for H.264 cards couldn't be used with matroska packs (PowerDVD didn't support them). MPC: HC came to solve that, and it doesn't even use the dedicated hardware acceleration.

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Also, Tottentranz having posted it does not take away my right to vent my anger over this...I was seriously considering this laptop :(

Perkam

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I share your pain :(


Not Perkam

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Trying to play COD4 and Crysis in a netbook would be.. stupid..
But to have some serious gaming in the netbook, it doesn't have to be the latest or most demanding games to this day.

A 9400M or a HD32000 with Atom/Nano would allow us to play UT2004 (maxed @1024*600), Far Cry (medium @1024*600), most MMORPGs to date, Half-Life2, CS:S, Doom 3, Quake IV, both KOTORs maxed out, Sims2, GTA:SA, Indigo Prophecy, CIV4, Portal and many others.
Now tell me: isn't this serious gaming?

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Funny how @ CES 2009, the upcoming nVidia ION setup based on an Intel 330 Atom CPU coupled with an nVidia 9400m GPU was able to not only play Call of Duty 4 at easily acceptable frame rates.... it also played the movie "BOLT" in 720p while at the same time RENDERING the movie into a format to play on an Apple iPhone.


Yea.... I was extremely skeptical about the performance of the ION considering it was a 9400m with a dual core 1.6ghz Atom processor.... but after seeing the demonstration in person, I was beyond amazed.

Heck.... I'm actually considering buying an nVidia ION based Nettop to use as secondary system to my main workstation.


Being able to have a desktop PC small enough to practically fit in your pocket is pretty sweet. I think the following photographs speak for themselves!

http://www.kalionzes.net/computers/nVidia_ION.jpg

that would be a kickass carpc.

i always wondered, what happens if a netbook maker ignores MS and INTEL and goes for better specs than what they limit them to and just tells them FU! :D

Running FullHD video on netbooks with 1024x600 screen res is just ridiculous. It doesn't even meet the 720p, so running 1080p on them makes no sense.

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Running FullHD video on netbooks with 1024x600 screen res is just ridiculous. It doesn't even meet the 720p, so running 1080p on them makes no sense.

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You could use a netbook's HDMI port to connect to a big LCD screen.

I'm talking for the screen that comes with it...