Recent 3DMark05 Record Discussion

Team Finland (Me and SF3D) was performing live overclocking together with AMD's Sami "macci" Mäkinen and Pete Hardman in XS CES 2009 party. We ran Phenom II X4 with liquid helium (-242 Celsius) @ 6,5 GHz and we were able to score 45474 in 3DMark05. It is currently #1 result in Futuremark's official hall of fame ranking:

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http://www.futuremark.com/community/halloffame/3dmark05

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Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB0JodKgZ0A

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Intel employee Francois Piednoel (Dr. Who) was also there with his Core i7-975 CPUs. Here are Intel results according to XS owner FUGGER:

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Originally Posted by FUGGER

On the Intel side was rather mild clocks of 5.3ish Ghz, I didnt watch the Intel side too much but I did try some more agressive clocks and no post, I will work on the golden chip in the morning to squeeze out the 6ghz milstone.

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After math:

TG Daily writes an article AMD never did hold the highest 3DMark record where an Intel employee and well-known overclocker contacted TG Daily to point out that AMD actually never did hold the 3DMark record:

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/41244/128/

"Intel also pointed that AMD's entry on Futuremark only shows a 4.481 GHz clock speed (49% overclock), and not the 6.5 GHz shown in the video. But even more interesting than that, the Intel Core i7 entry on Futuremark Intel pointed us to shows their Model 940 2.93 GHz CPU only clocked at 3.693 GHz (a 26% overclock)."

Drwho?'s bashing in XtremeSystems Forums.

More trash talking from Francois about Phenom II X4 liquid helium tests in TG Daily comments:

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Still can not catch an Aircooled Core 2 Quad or a Core i7 on 3DMark last version (Vantage)
even at 6.5Ghz ... with Helium ... at -230C ...
It shows how the process technology is behind.
The world record of 3Dmark 05 (5 years old benchmark) is already back in Core i7 Quad hands ...

Nice marketing trick, but very bad new in term of process technology, you need liquid Helium to cool a Phenom II ... hummm hummmm

Francois
PS: This is my personal opinion

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See post: Can't beat an aircooled Core i7 on 3DMark Vantage ....
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/41204/113/#comments

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Several things are wrong in allegations:

- Futuremark's ORB doesn't recognize Phenom II X4 or Core i7 clockspeeds correctly: Phenom II X4 was working @ 6,3 GHz and Core i7 940 @ 5,2 GHz.

- Boblemagnifique's 3DMark05 result 46644 was done using beta-version of Catalyst not approved by Futuremark. This causes it to be NOT valid and NOT fully comparable 3DMark result:

"Please note that this result has been produced using display drivers which have not been validated or approved by Futuremark and will not be visible on default result search on the ORB or on the Hall of Fame."

"By using the listed drivers and correct product version, you will get a valid and fully comparable 3DMark result."

See all details from Futuremark's 3DMark05 Approved Drivers site: http://www.futuremark.com/products/3...proveddrivers/

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Update for clarification:

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Originally Posted by dinos22

i think bob would beat their score with official drivers anyways but he needs to rebench with official drivers to claim W.R. on HOF :)

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Yes I think so too and most likely he will do that soon. My post means nothing against Boblemagnifique. I've met him couple of times and he seems to be very nice guy.

My point is that there are now some false allegations being made by Intel employee and TG Daily has written a story about this subject.

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Originally Posted by Sampsa

- Boblemagnifique's 3DMark05 result 46644 was done using beta-version of Catalyst not approved by Futuremark. This causes it to be NOT valid and NOT fully comparable 3DMark result:

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That is a load of BS. Futuremark is way to slow to update their approved drivers. Obviously, the driver was not hacked to obtain a higher score. Intel holds the WR, not AMD.

Some thoughts on that day from someone who isn't a bencher.
I watched the demonstrations that were done by both groups and both were excellent.
I totally understand your comments as they are coming in response to Francois Piednoel's comments on who did what.
What I'd wish for in this community is that both sides could view this as most of us do and just let the numbers stand by themselves and have us all treat each other as friends.
That in the long run means so much more than any numbers.
Competition yes, but friendly competition.
I'll tell you honestly that as much as I enjoyed the demonstration you put on what I will remember is the few minutes we got to talk.
The older you get the more you realise that it is the people that matter and records are forgotten before the memory of the people you met.

As to Futuremark the only thing I can think of that will settle issues like this is for them not to accept any results from anyone with unapproved drivers.
At the same time they should speed up the approval of drivers as they sometimes take months to do so.

I know this. After seeing this, I will never trust AMD again.

Trying to claim a WR that was never achieved. :down:

I must admit I am disappointed with Francois', talking about friendly competition all the time and now this :down:

I can also see this thread turning into a flame war before 2nd page.

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

I know this. After seeing this, I will never trust AMD again.

Trying to claim a WR that was never achieved. :down:

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Read again.

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Originally Posted by 003

That is a load of BS. Futuremark is way to slow to update their approved drivers. Obviously, the driver was not hacked to obtain a higher score. Intel holds the WR, not AMD.

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Sorry you are wrong. It was beta-driver.

The "Intel employee" is Francois? Confirmed?

I wouldn't crucify AMD for claiming a world record.. I would only because of the fact that they thought they could.

wow intel employee's is kinda being a baby, no approved drivers means no record. AMD is king in 05 at this time.
i think those of you who thing otherwise should think about what your saying. you let one slide, then more will slide, who knows we could have people fudging drivers to obtain high scores and no one would care. "who cares about who or what drivers are used as long is the numbers are higher then the others" is what i see as happening.

face it AMD after a few years is hold a world record by following the rules. intel is :down:

that's pimp,
lets see her run when you guys get a new driver going

ohh and congratz on a job well done

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

I know this. After seeing this, I will never trust AMD again.

Trying to claim a WR that was never achieved. :down:

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bothered clicking the links in the TS?

I really dont think WR's matter who cares AMD has a new chip and its good people need to get over it I like competition it means lower prices I dont care if someone has 200 more marks as long as both companies continue to produce "A "class chips shouldnt we all be happy

The fact remains that the top spot was Bob's by 1000 points before CES and after CES. Whether FM recognizes it or not is beside the point.

I take those WR's at their word until I have reason to believe different and that was proven beyond any shadow of a doubt.

This is the 3rd such stunt that's been pulled and exposed. Congrats AMD...3 strikes and you're out. I say again...I will never trust AMD again. It's over.

Clearly the Intel employee was not happy with AMD at the top :down:



Overclocking is supposed to be a friendly competition, right?

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Originally Posted by Sampsa

Read again.

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Would you ask Forest Gump to read again?

I believe the blue team used 8.12hotfix driver, which basically is the 9.1 beta driver, or at least is quadcore optimized. And those drivers are really powerful compared to older drivers.
Intel shouldn't be :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ing. If things where the other way around, they would say/claim that they have a legit Futuremark approved score and AMD would not.

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

The fact remains that the top spot was Bob's by 1000 points before CES and after CES. Whether FM recognizes it or not is beside the point.

I take those WR's at their word until I have reason to believe different and that was proven beyond any shadow of a doubt.

This is the 3rd such stunt that's been pulled and exposed. Congrats AMD...3 strikes and you're out. I say again...I will never trust AMD again. It's over.

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not with this guy around. let me go fudge some drivers so i can get 100000 in 05 what then?

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

The fact remains that the top spot was Bob's by 1000 points before CES and after CES. Whether FM recognizes it or not is beside the point.

I take those WR's at their word until I have reason to believe different and that was proven beyond any shadow of a doubt.

This is the 3rd such stunt that's been pulled and exposed. Congrats AMD...3 strikes and you're out. I say again...I will never trust AMD again. It's over.

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Are you confused or am I?

I thought this topic was about AMD hitting 6.5 ghz (TC specifically yes?) and it getting denied. Not that they tried to cheat.

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

The fact remains that the top spot was Bob's by 1000 points before CES and after CES. Whether FM recognizes it or not is beside the point.

I take those WR's at their word until I have reason to believe different and that was proven beyond any shadow of a doubt.

This is the 3rd such stunt that's been pulled and exposed. Congrats AMD...3 strikes and you're out. I say again...I will never trust AMD again. It's over.

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It's not a stunt. It's a confirmed record.
There are plenty of people who were THERE to witness it.

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

I know this. After seeing this, I will never trust AMD again.

Trying to claim a WR that was never achieved. :down:

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jackass

they did take the W.R. there and then
slaps you on the back of the head lol

true FM W.R. is with FM approved drivers
i think bob would beat their score with official drivers anyways but he needs to rebench with official drivers to claim W.R. on HOF :)

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

The fact remains that the top spot was Bob's by 1000 points before CES and after CES. Whether FM recognizes it or not is beside the point.

I take those WR's at their word until I have reason to believe different and that was proven beyond any shadow of a doubt.

This is the 3rd such stunt that's been pulled and exposed. Congrats AMD...3 strikes and you're out. I say again...I will never trust AMD again. It's over.

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tbh i wonder what you would say if it was the other way around.

If AMD had reached a top score with beta drivers and Intel scored 1k lower with official drivers.

but yeah who cares if the WR is at a Futuremark bench and the makers of the bench dont recognize it.

like knightwolf654 says there is a reason scores are only officially recognized with official drivers.
When the drivers r official Intel can redo the bench and try to get top spot.

Please, dont quote this retard, my mute wont work with that. Ignore his comments, its the best you can do or you can get your brain affected too.

yesyes, intel doesn't like when amd's at the top and amd doesn't like when intel is at the top.
can we please get over this?

heheh good point Slovnaft

the truth of the matter is that AMD still has no chance of competing against Intel for W.R. seriously

they need to go back to their labs and work some more on efficiency

Sigh...this isn't News and the title is at best a flamebait.

Both changed.

According to FM's HOF, AMD had the record, works for me. :yepp:

That said though...the way this thread has been conducted seems to be borne from a grudge....and that's...:shakes:

The discussion is purely about who owns the record on futuremarks site and if you forget any interest or fanboism in either company there is only one that you can choose and that is AMD's claim.
The "approved" driver issue is an old problem at Futuremark and largly because of how long they take to approve new drivers.
BUT the only thing that should be looked at here is what was the highest total done using approved drivers and that is team Finlands score done at the Xs party. To think anything else says that any driver can be used and that simply isn't how it works.
Now I'm not trying to take anything away from boblemagnifique's submission and I respect the guy and his skills but until that driver is approved the record has to be seen as team Finlands.
I'm back to my previous point, no submission should be allowed unless it is with approved drivers and that would solve this issue in a heartbeat.

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Originally Posted by Movieman

Some thoughts on that day from someone who isn't a bencher.
I watched the demonstrations that were done by both groups and both were excellent.
I totally understand your comments as they are coming in response to Francois Piednoel's comments on who did what.
What I'd wish for in this community is that both sides could view this as most of us do and just let the numbers stand by themselves and have us all treat each other as friends.
That in the long run means so much more than any numbers.
Competition yes, but friendly competition.
I'll tell you honestly that as much as I enjoyed the demonstration you put on what I will remember is the few minutes we got to talk.
The older you get the more you realise that it is the people that matter and records are forgotten before the memory of the people you met.

As to Futuremark the only thing I can think of that will settle issues like this is for them not to accept any results from anyone with unapproved drivers.
At the same time they should speed up the approval of drivers as they sometimes take months to do so.

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thank you. i wish it was that way but it never will be and i can see this thread getting closed soon.

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

I know this. After seeing this, I will never trust AMD again.

Trying to claim a WR that was never achieved. :down:

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well first you need to actually read the post instead of going on an anti amd mode like you normally are. second you among many other intel fanboys are a bunch of hypocrites that say something one day and do it the next. why do people even post when all they say has to do with amd/intel hate and nothing is based on facts, just on how the feel about the rival company?

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

I know you've heard...the benches only matter if the fanboi's get the results they were hoping for. If they don't, they don't matter. The common tactic is to attack the reviewer/review site when their favorite card just doesn't measure up anymore. We have a forum full of threads like that.

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I must agree with Movieman, it's a shame ithas turned into this. I had a great time and the event and people I will not soon forget. Hopefully I will be able to meet everyone again, and soon.

Consider all the resources that went into that event, it was no small feat what they did that weekend.

It's to bad that so much is place on what FM does and says. You live and die by what FM does it seems, that and the fact that no other resource is avalable to keep scores on.

I give Team Finland all the credit they deserve for what they did. Great Job Guys !

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Originally Posted by dinos22

i think bob would beat their score with official drivers anyways but he needs to rebench with official drivers to claim W.R. on HOF :)

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Yes I think so too and most likely he will do that soon. My post means nothing against Boblemagnifique. I've met him couple of times and he seems to be very nice guy.

My point is that there are now some false allegations being made by Intel employee and TG Daily has written a story about this subject.

yup yup all understand and agreed

I share similiar thoughts as MM on this one, overclocking community is pretty small as it is, blue or green, there's no need to treat the others as the enemy, instead we should appriciate any result from whatever hardware it was obtained on and should be giving a punch to try and do it even better. Competition is great but respectfulness and humbleness for other people's achievements is even greater.

Sampsa does have a point there and majority of user comments here agree with him(apart one or two which can be ignored in any case).
I find it sad that Mr. Dr. Who was compelled to contact THG(of all the sites,why this one?) and present this as "AMD lied" thing.
The FM didn't approve the drivers used with intel setup(9.1 beta) and that's it.When/if someone replicates the 46+K score with approved drivers the list will be updated again,as simple as that.

i gotta conradulate you Sampsa + ur freinds for your efforts
all records fall sooner or later so the babies need to chill and stop bashin the accomplishment of others
Drwho? just scared AMD on intells heels:rofl:
if we didnt have amd we still be using a prescot:yepp: n maybe pay 500$ for it :rofl:
i doubt i will own an amd chip any time soon
but rock on amd :up:

Dr. Who has his own 'political agenda'. For us this is fun and a hobby, for him mostly work. Don't blame me for bashing him. He bashes against AMD to much in public.

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Originally Posted by Sampsa

Yes I think so too and most likely he will do that soon. My post means nothing against Boblemagnifique. I've met him couple of times and he seems to be very nice guy.
My point is that there are now some false allegations being made by Intel employee and TG Daily has written a story about this subject.

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:up:

PS: You may wish to add that to your first post in order to avoid any misunderstanding. Just a suggestion mate. ;)

I just found this from XtremeSystems, more bashing from Drwho? I guess it is now confirmed Intel employee contacting TG Daily was him:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&postcount=16

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Originally Posted by before

:up:

PS: You may wish to add that to your first post in order to avoid any misunderstanding. Just a suggestion mate. ;)

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Yes will do that

Great thread :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Sampsa

I just found this from XtremeSystems, more bashing from Drwho? I guess it is now confirmed Intel employee contacting TG Daily was him:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&postcount=16

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The link doesn't work, can you fix it? I can't find anything revealing in his recent posts and I really want to know if it was him.

all 3dmark fails to see AOD changing anything. while running

it will only show if it's changed form bios.

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Originally Posted by runmc

Great thread :rolleyes:

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Just making facts straight. You like other people to talk trash behind you?

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Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

The link doesn't work, can you fix it? I can't find anything revealing in his recent posts and I really want to know if it was him.

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Originally Posted by Sampsa

Just making facts straight. You like other people to talk trash behind you?

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No I don't like people talking trash behind my back and I can well understand you wanting to get the air clear about what really happened, but basically all this thread is going to do is start a flame war.
Open forum probably wasn't the best place for it.

come on, we're better than this.
do we really need to start a thread to point out someone's lack of political poise?

listen, it's unfortunate that francois has chosen to stoop to our level.

when he started posting more frequently i used to think it was cool that someone so close to intel's developement process would hang around here and occasionally swoop in to provide an enlightened answer. But if it turns out that he's just here to tout his hardware so what. He deserves no special recognition for it, negative or otherwise, because that's what every one of us does every single day; we post out benchmarks, FM approved or not, and hope for someone to call us a god.

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Originally Posted by Sampsa

Just making facts straight. You like other people to talk trash behind you?

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Phenom II Driver status: WHQL - FM Approve
http://service.futuremark.com/result...eResultType=12

I7 Driver status :WHQL - Not FM Approved
http://service.futuremark.com/result...eResultType=12

-_-

I've trashed AMD enough as well. But for the sake of benchmarking, only approved drivers should be used just as Movieman said. This one is pretty easy. When I first saw this, I didn't know none approved drivers were used. Without rules results are worthless.

Again, this benchmark was a waste of time and the video card's drive just make that case even more. Why not Cinebench or Crysis? Guys the i7 was running at WHAT?Processor clock 3693 MHz doesn't make anyone question the large speed difference more than the drivers used?

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Originally Posted by dinos22

heheh good point Slovnaft

the truth of the matter is that AMD still has no chance of competing against Intel for W.R. seriously

they need to go back to their labs and work some more on efficiency

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All this time I thought that AMD bet on PII low system price (if you also take into consideration the board it is obviously cheapest) and not on PII performance ...

It's supposed that we all together in this benching community, sharing our experiences, competing for first places (friendly), exchanging knowledge, but turns out that a lot of things have changed these last couple years :( Dr.Who was being negative from the moment first un-confirmed pictures came out, showing AMD CPUs over 6GHz ... I know he sees all this like one more thing he has to do for work, but has no right to disrespect in that awful way three overclocking legends like macci, SF3D and Sampsa !

Benchmarking is about WRs you "fools" ... It's about having fun, that's at least the main reason overclocking started years and years ago ... Seems like though, fun is sacrificed and replaced by marketing, money and business ...

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P.S. Not approved drivers used hence, no WR can be claimed ;) It's like as if, for example some guys posted 3 months ago PCMark05 WRs that had XP Startup way above 225 MB/s limit ;)

Thanks Sampsa. I must admit it's just like Drwho?.

FM does not approve the drivers used in the Core i7 run. So Corei7 run is not suitable to be at the ORB. AMD is number one of the ORB right now, even if you don't like it Francois. Just redo the bench with proper drivers so you can post it and beat the Phenom instead of going to the press with that kind of BS.

/facepalm

Yes, golden yet awkward. Francois did not know about the driver approval and we know that, TG Daily doesnt link to us :shrug:

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Originally Posted by FUGGER

/facepalm

Yes, golden yet awkward. Francois did not know about the driver approval and we know that, TG Daily doesnt link to us :shrug:

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I've noticed a few sites won't link to XS :down:

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/facepalm

Yes, golden yet awkward. Francois did not know about the driver approval and we know that, TG Daily doesnt link to us :shrug:

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That puts a different light on this.
If Francois made his posts not knowing about the driver issue it makes much more sense.
Then you just have someone saying "Hold on a minute, I beat that score"

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Originally Posted by Movieman

That puts a different light on this.
If Francois made his posts not knowing about the driver issue it makes much more sense.
Then you just have someone saying "Hold on a minute, I beat that score"

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It would sure justify his behavior a bit, but still not fully ... Trash-talking behind anyone's back is not cool ... :shakes:

If he did not know that the drivers were not legal for official WR runs, its one thing but if he knew and tried to push it regardless, then that becomes a problem. The rules are the rules.

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

Guys the i7 was running at WHAT?Processor clock 3693 MHz doesn't make anyone question the large speed difference more than the drivers used?

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Wrong,the clock of i7 CPUs was not 3.7Ghz... Read up first ,post after.

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Originally Posted by informal

Wrong,the clock of i7 CPUs was not 3.7Ghz... Read up first ,post after.

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Yeah it was around 5.3GHz ... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan

I've noticed a few sites won't link to XS :down:

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Im glad they dont link us when they get things wrong.

Oh boy :rolleyes:

I'm actually hoping François isn't involved in this :)

if Francois didnt actually know about official W.R. drivers we discussed here what does it matter massman

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Originally Posted by dinos22

if Francois didnt actually know about official W.R. drivers we discussed here what does it matter massman

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Overall credibility.

(in my opinion, by the way, no one needs to agree with me)

More trash talking from Francois of Phenom II X4 liquid helium tests in TG Daily comments:

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Still can not catch an Aircooled Core 2 Quad or a Core i7 on 3DMark last version (Vantage)
even at 6.5Ghz ... with Helium ... at -230C ...
It shows how the process technology is behind.
The world record of 3Dmark 05 (5 years old benchmark) is already back in Core i7 Quad hands ...

Nice marketing trick, but very bad new in term of process technology, you need liquid Helium to cool a Phenom II ... hummm hummmm

Francois
PS: This is my personal opinion

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See post: Can't beat an aircooled Core i7 on 3DMark Vantage ....
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/41204/113/#comments

rofl. Well..... it could be a Fanboi pretending to be Francois Piednol. :D.

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Originally Posted by FUGGER

Im glad they dont link us when they get things wrong.

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So true, when I read the TG article, I got the impression the author doesn't know what he is writing about. Too bad other people can't figure that out.

Core I7 WR at 3.6 GHz :rofl: If the level was that low, someone else would have taken the WR with mere air cooling, considering the fact that that kind of speed can be reached with a little more than stock voltage on air cooling :p:

Instead of pointing the gun at AMD, Francois should have asked someone for background information :rolleyes:

Maybe we have a different definition of a fair competition, but from my point of view, how Intel (I know it is not Intel, just Francois, but you might get that impression) reacts to AMD OC results, now that AMD is back after a long time, is not exactly fair.

Phenom II clock for clock performance is not as good as Intels, that is certain, so 3D Mark 05 is one of the few benchmarks AMD can get really close or be slightly better than Intel with very extreme cooling. Intel still holds a bunch of WRs in other applications, so I dont get how you can get mad over a single WR that AMD managed to get. Bob has shown that it won't last long anyway, so why not letting AMD have its 15 miniutes of fame. Especially knowing what Intel is capable of. Instead of wasting time, Intel should get back to work and remove the coldbug on i7 :cool:

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Originally Posted by Fr3ak

Phenom II clock for clock performance is not as good as Intels, that is certain, so 3D Mark 05 is one of the few benchmarks AMD can get really close or be slightly better than Intel with very extreme cooling. Intel still holds a bunch of WRs in other applications, so I dont get how you can get mad over a single WR that AMD managed to get. Bob has shown that it won't last long anyway, so why not letting AMD have its 15 miniutes of fame. Especially knowing what Intel is capable of. Instead of wasting time, Intel should get back to work and remove the coldbug on i7 :cool:

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:yepp::yepp::yepp::D

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=dK_CLz...e=channel_page

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Originally Posted by massman

Overall credibility.

(in my opinion, by the way, no one needs to agree with me)

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I totally agree with massman ... :up:

Instead of trash-talking about AMD's WR, Intel should work on that ColdBug ... :rofl:

Oliver :up: Very reasonable!

Well, I don’t know if François really realized what consequences his comments would generate. :) I don't know him very well, just met him @Vegas actually. BTW he most likely looks like a teaser than a bad guy. That's the way he was during the party, always laughing at someone or at something, teasing somebody; but just for fun, not with bad intentions. Maybe I'm naive, well maybe; but it seems me he did that cuz he thought that was funny and not to hurt. Anyway, what's funny for someone isn't necessarily funny for someone else and can easily become annoying.

Also, I'm not sure François wanted his FB comments to be written in an article. TG daily's article might be a different matter.

Anyway people are unconsciously talking about apples and oranges... I mean the wish for WR which isn't the same for everybody, the CPU types, the VGA types, the driver types, etc. I've talked to Bob, and is happy with his number actually, he doesn't care about the driver being approved by FM, he just ran the benchmark the way he preferred.

On one hand, he thinks that he currently owns the 'probable' WR. Fair enough, that's a matter a point of you. On the other hand, he respects the fact that you guys got the 'confirmed' WR (i.e. matching FM confirmation procedure). A 'confirmed' WR is to be brung to light and a 'probable' one is to stay in the dark side. If everybody agrees with that then, everything else is whisper in the wind. ;)

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Originally Posted by before

Anyway people are unconsciously talking about apples and oranges... I mean the wish for WR which isn't the same for everybody, the CPU types, the VGA types, the driver types, etc. I've talked to Bob, and is happy with his number actually, he doesn't care about the driver being approved by FM, he just ran the benchmark the way he preferred.

On one hand, he thinks that he currently owns the 'probable' WR. Fair enough, that's a matter a point of you. On the other hand, he respects the fact that you guys got the 'confirmed' WR (i.e. matching FM confirmation procedure). A 'confirmed' WR is to be brung to light and a 'probable' one is to stay in the dark side. If everybody agrees with that then, everything else is whisper in the wind. ;)

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Yes, Bob's result is rightly #1 in hwbot.org where they accept all results. It is unofficial world record. Similar thing can happen for example in 100 meters men if you run below 9.69 seconds but have too much tail-wind (+2.0 ms/s). It won't be counted as official world record since you have need to follow rules by IAAF (in 3DMark05's case Futuremark). Everyone agree?

Bottom line ... there is few computers faster at 3DMark05 than what was claim, it is not a world record ...
If it is wrong to point this out, then, i was wrong ... sorry ...
In the mean time, I posted this on my facebook, i did not contact anybody on my own. (I posted this, knowing that Ian is on my friend list, in a playfull spirit, some fanboyes need to cool down a little, but don't put liquid nitrogen on your head ... )

Don't claim you have the world record on something if you know there is a faster computer out there.

Francois

Claiming to have the FASTEST CONFIRMED WR is fine, doesn't matter if there's others out there that aren't confirmed.

For it to be WORLD RECORD, the WORLD must accept the record's validity, and such is not the case, Francois.

I mean really, you could tell by Macci's demeanor(at least I could) that he's personally seen better already(hence the wink), but it's not in the public domain.


The record will chagne hands anyway, eventually, so all this bickering about it seems a bit childish, IMHO.


That said, I don't bench anymore, so could care less who has the record.

Again, that was posted in a playfull spirit on my facebook, and some readers of tgdaily did not understood the playfull nature of it (Even Rick tone was funny, and was suppose to be funny) ... The WAR you imagine does not exist at the individual level, stop trying to see it.

here is what I posted:
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-...33055_5886.jpg

Here is what Ian posted:

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Ian McNaughton at 2:51pm January 29
http://www.futuremark.com/community/...fame/3dmark05/

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don't you see the playfull side of it? I understand that for some non native speaker, it can be hard to follow, but don't judge too fast the appearance without the full back ground.
childish ... for sure, funny, exactly!!!!

Francois

LoL...I don't see it in the first place...that's my issue. But your recent comments on here only seem to bolster TG's opinion of what has transpired.


Personally I think the whole discussion of the issue is doing more harm than good...IMHO all OEMS should be working together to further the industry, not screaming who's fastest. Seems a bit silly to me to tout usage of a pc that no real users will ever have...noone is going to run LN2 or LHe2 to play a game, read the web, or do a render, so the money investing in these displays would be better invested on showing user practical uses of your machines.

:shrug: But who am I, except one of those users?

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

Don't claim you have the world record on something if you know there is a faster computer out there.

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this community has accepted HOF with accepted drivers as the World Record since this was a community. your whole faster system argument is horseshyt and outlines your true ignorance. PCMark05 WRs can't be done with ramdisks...why? because HOF won't recognize it and therefore the community won't. you are apparently above the community. by you making statements like this you exaggerate you ignorance and continue to piss on the community. when you go to another country, under stand the customs before stepping to the podium.

exactly ... OC is a fun sport ... I do love it, in the mean time, keep in mind that 500 liters of Liquide Helium can pay for 2 Core i7 Extreme Edition and their Smackover boards ...
Online price of Liquide Helium is around 5$/Liter in 3 site I found, plus delivery.

It does not stop me from using LN2 ... it is fun.

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Originally Posted by 3oh6

this community has accepted HOF with accepted drivers as the World Record since this was a community. your whole faster system argument is horseshyt and outlines your true ignorance. PCMark05 WRs can't be done with ramdisks...why? because HOF won't recognize it and therefore the community won't. you are apparently above the community. by you making statements like this you exaggerate you ignorance and continue to piss on the community. when you go to another country, under stand the customs before stepping to the podium.

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That was not posted by Dinos22, but by me ... sorry Dinos :yepp:

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

exactly ... OC is a fun sport ... I do love it, in the mean time, keep in mind that 500 liters of Liquide Helium can pay for 2 Core i7 Extreme Edition and their Smackover boards ...
Online price of Liquide Helium is around 5$/Liter in 3 site I found, plus delivery.

It does not stop me from using LN2 ... it is fun.

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Yeah, exactly, it's just for fun, so not so important. But as you say, very expensive...I know this firsthand, and that's why I won't bench any more...it's not fun for a regular user to try to compete against all you guys working for OEMs...

I understand that this testing can help further the technology too, to a certain degree, but I'm far more interested in seeing who does the best @ +80c...over a week...rather than a 10-minute bench that takes a couple of hours just to set up...show me clocks @ +80c, 100% stable, scoring more than anyone else, and I'll buy....but there no interest in 10-15 minutes of functionality.

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

That was not posted by Dinos22, but by me ... sorry Dinos :yepp:

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thank vbulletin for its charms...fixed

The funny part is how many people try to make it a "bloody war", They need to accept that some time, they take our "jokes" for real serious stuffs, they need to realize that I live in a street with an AMD guy, and he does borrow my car tools some time, the Intel, AMD, Nvidia kids go to the same schools, and we eat sometime together when we do a BBQ.
(he drives a FORD mustang, the Shelby, remarkable engine!)

Fanboys will always find something to say, but the reality is different: We are the people of the silicon valley, we compete with each other, but this is what make us strong.

So why not bring the competition into a realm where other users can also compete, rather than making it so exclusive? Why not lend that strength to the customers as well as the OEMs?

Oh, that's right, it doesn't help with marketing if it's regular users in control of records here, only the select few may apply. When limited to a sleect few, it's only important to a select few. The anger directed at this is purely related to that...jealousy.

Much Noise for little thing ... :cool:

I have nothing to do with this story, I clock in my house alone without having cpus or pcs pretested by the mark , i buy my chip for found the better.

But as I explained in my topic, I tested several ATI official driver (8.10/8.11/8.12) and none was perfectly stable with my CF, except a beta driver that I found on the FTP at AMD (Press)

The name of driver : sample_vista32-64_8-561-3-081217a-73402.exe

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=213299

World Record official or unofficial , not importance for me ,
I'm not looking for the WR, I have pleasure in testing and finding the best settings.

The WR is just a bonus, I won no money, I no longer sleep and the marks don't offer me a pieces pretested to make World Record (if so, I must specify or don't publish)

I regret is that manufacturers are increasingly using the World Record as a target marketing !!!

If you want to make war, forget me please, I'm Not interested to be one or the other mark.

I am pleased that AMD back in the overclocking with this phenom II, I use a lot of Intel CPUs because they are more efficient for applications benchmark that I do.

Have fun, let's be united and help us together to advance the cause of overclocking :yepp:

A little humor between competition would not hurt sometimes, you need to know will not make remarks in the first degree :shrug:

Ps : Sorry for my english

On last comment from me, Francois, to you, on this issue...


think about the cost of LN2...would it not be nicer if instead of buying LN2, we were buying more chips? It would help the industry, no? But instead we give the moeny to LN2 producers...:shakes: talk about improper marketing.

yawn...

see my avatar for my expression after reading this thread

any reason why I shouldn't lock this flamefest?

maybe we can put sampsa and francois in a cage and have them duke it out, it'd be much more entertaining. :p:

hmm, with the cash I could pull in from fox for such an idea i'd never have to worry about the costs for anything anymore...

please lock it.
after a day without coffee, i can't put into words how depressing this reading is.

It has been said before , This thread is doing more harm than good

My friends and I say this intentionally because that is how we should think of one another.
The first thing that needs to get settled is about Bob;
very simple, he used the best(most stable) driver he could find as we all would whether in benching or building a system for a family member.
I met him at the Xs party and a gentleman.
Next; Francois comments;
The question is how to take them and I think you'd have to meet the guy to understand them. Big outgoing guy and full of piss and vinegar as we say here.
A smart guy still filled with the passions we see in teenagers here and in some adults.
When I sift through all the talk from everyone I come back to reading his comments as "Hey guys, I got a better score"..Now add that in with who he works for and you can understand the passions and motivations involved.
Sampsa: He and his partners put on one hell of a show and it was work and that work brought them the World's record and they said so in their video.
The bottom line is I see this as something that shouldn't have happenned and may have been handled better thru PM's between Francois and Sampsa.
Once Francois had been told that only approved drivers counted then this issue would have been settled.

Now can I ask that you two guys simply agree that as it sits now the record is Team Finlands and shake hands as friends?
I admire both of you and hate to see this bad blood between you.
If for no other reason put this behind you for the good of the hobby.
Thanks for reading.