My first time water cooling

Over my vacation, i got bored and decided i felt like building something, so i ordered some stuff for my first water cooling attempt. My goals are to have a quiet system that gives me better cooling then air; so I can push my components a little more.

On the way from NCIX:

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1x Feser One X-360 TFC Xchanger Triple 120MM - 1/2" OD barbs
1x Swiftech APOGEE GTZ LGA775 CPU Water Block - 1/2" OD barbs
1x Swiftech MCP655 12V Industrial Water Cooling Pump - 1/2" OD barbs
1x Petra PT_NUKE -PHN Concentrated Biocide Water

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On the way from Jab-tech:

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2x Dangerden Fillport - Delrin - 1/2" OD barb
1x 1/2"T Line for 1/2" ID Tubing - Clear
1x Wye Fitting - 1/2" - Clear
10x Plastic Tubing Clamps - Black
2 x EK High-Flow Fitting - 1/2" OD barbs
20ft Masterkleer Tubing 7/16" ID 5/8" OD
Pentosin G11 Long-life Coolant - Blue

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My main concern is fitting the rad in my lian li v1000. I've come across 2 different sets of dimensions on the internet. But TFC's CAD drawing says it's only 411mm, or 16.18"... which should let it fit inside my case, assuming i have no interference from the top portion of my motherboard. I don't care about blocking top pci/pcie slots, as I only use 1 pcie slot for my videocard (280GTX).

I bought the extra fill port to mount lower in the case as a possible drain port. Not sure if i will use it or not. I also only got the Pentosin G11 coolant to add a slight blue tint to the distilled water i plan to use. For fans I have yate loons, medium ones, that i plan to turn down with a fan controller.

assuming all goes well, I plan on cooling the 280gtx next. I'm not sure if i want to go full cover (cause i might use evga upgrade to a 285 if they are worthwhile), or if i will just go gpu block.

Any critiques, or advice? I already think I should have picked a different pump w/ top... after reading way too much about water cooling lol

READ STICKIES OR DIE!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=202394
no seriously!

pick up the EK D5 top.

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Originally Posted by Chruschef

pick up the EK D5 top.

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Why, it offers no notable performance benefit and makes the standard mounting bracket unusable.

The Detroit top on the other hand lets you reuse the stock bracket and offers a reasonably significant performance boost to the pump.

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Originally Posted by Chruschef

READ STICKIES OR DIE!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=202394
no seriously!

pick up the EK D5 top.

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I've read at lot, before I ordered stuff, and lots after. Not sure what exactly your post is suggesting :P Did I pick the wrong stuff? if so, what?

I've read about the tops for the D5, after I already ordered one. I read that the detriot AC top performed the best for D5's. I might get one down the road.. but I only have one block that is gonna be in my loop, for now anyway.

First loops are like first sex, all hands and thumbs till you figure out what goes where, then it's what ever works best for you.

I don't think you're supposed to mix pentosin and PT nuke, but I might be wrong. Distilled water + PT nuke (Or silver killcoils or whatever if you can get it) should be better.

-Zigosity

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Originally Posted by fart_plume

First loops are like first sex, all hands and thumbs till you figure out what goes where, then it's what ever works best for you.

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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Originally Posted by Zigosity

I don't think you're supposed to mix pentosin and PT nuke, but I might be wrong. Distilled water + PT nuke (Or silver killcoils or whatever if you can get it) should be better.

-Zigosity

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Hmm, Is that true? Cause I read of a few people using them together.

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Originally Posted by fart_plume

First loops are like first sex, all hands and thumbs till you figure out what goes where, then it's what ever works best for you.

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someone is going to have to sig that

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Originally Posted by fart_plume

First loops are like first sex, all hands and thumbs till you figure out what goes where, then it's what ever works best for you.

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... you've got your moments, I give you that ... :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Salad Fingers

someone is going to have to sig that

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Couldn't possibly resist... first quote to make it to my sig in two years... in fact, first sig in two years... :yepp:

I have a lot of moments. I just wish they were more together.....................

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Originally Posted by Diverge

Hmm, Is that true? Cause I read of a few people using them together.

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There has been talk that PT and pentosin can make funny chunks in the loop, never really been verified, how long it took, concentrations etc.

Why would you run pentosin in a loop? Thats the question I ask. If it's a copper/brass loop what does the Pent do? Methinks it's a holdover when stuff like that was needed or the color it gives. With the advent of colored tubing and some better dyes, maybe it's time to adjust our thinking.

I'm still new at WC, so forgive me. I'm only at it for a year and went with distilled and PT, will use PHN or silver next time.

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Originally Posted by Conumdrum

There has been talk that PT and pentosin can make funny chunks in the loop, never really been verified, how long it took, concentrations etc.

Why would you run pentosin in a loop? Thats the question I ask. If it's a copper/brass loop what does the Pent do? Methinks it's a holdover when stuff like that was needed or the color it gives. With the advent of colored tubing and some better dyes, maybe it's time to adjust our thinking.

I'm still new at WC, so forgive me. I'm only at it for a year and went with distilled and PT, will use PHN or silver next time.

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I was gonna use it to add some blue color. I read of some people using it with distilled water, and PT nuke, so I figured it was okay to use rather then just use dye.

But I don't really want chunks in my loops... so it might just remain unused. Oh well, was only a few bucks lol

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Originally Posted by fart_plume

First loops are like first sex, all hands and thumbs till you figure out what goes where, then it's what ever works best for you.

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Sig'd!:up:

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Originally Posted by aspire.comptech

Why, it offers no notable performance benefit and makes the standard mounting bracket unusable.

The Detroit top on the other hand lets you reuse the stock bracket and offers a reasonably significant performance boost to the pump.

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thats what I was about to say I like the detroit setup and being only 40 bucks and based on a test gives 10% increase why not right.....

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Originally Posted by Conumdrum

I'm still new at WC, so forgive me. I'm only at it for a year and went with distilled and PT, will use PHN or silver next time.

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ha ha ha I got raped on my first watercooling your doing better than I am its all good man like another posted said its like sex..................and well you willl figure out what works best for you later. :D

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Originally Posted by Diverge

I've read at lot, before I ordered stuff, and lots after. Not sure what exactly your post is suggesting :P Did I pick the wrong stuff? if so, what?

I've read about the tops for the D5, after I already ordered one. I read that the detriot AC top performed the best for D5's. I might get one down the road.. but I only have one block that is gonna be in my loop, for now anyway.

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if you pick the detroit, follow the instructions very carefully. i've heard if you mount it incorrectly, it can make some weird noises if incorrect.

read the stickies because they HAVE A LOT of info, in general about water cooling. basic water cooling "laws" do's & don'ts. i wish i had read it before i tried my first loop, i'm currently on my third rebuild of my loop; and i'm pretty sure i've got the hang of it just now. read the stickies.

Man I remember my first loop, I was cooling 2 cpus, 2 hard drives and the N/B. Used 3 different tubing sizes and had a single 120mm fan radiator. Surprisingly it actually got good temps until the N/B block pulled the pin out of the motherboard and fell on the grafix card while I was playing a game. I rmaed the motherboard and still use the replacement to this day. The gpu was ok and when I got the replacement board in I rebuilt my loop to be cpu only and also bought better cpu blocks :up:

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Originally Posted by JOCKTHEGLIDE

ha ha ha I got raped on my first watercooling your doing better than I am its all good man like another posted said its like sex..................and well you willl figure out what works best for you later. :D

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:rofl::ROTF:

Why two fillports and a reservoir? I can understand one fillport to use as a drain, but you don't need the other one.

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Originally Posted by fart_plume

First loops are like first sex, all hands and thumbs till you figure out what goes where, then it's what ever works best for you.

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:rofl::ROTF::clap:

lol that was fresh

All my parts finally arrived. So I started to check to see if everything should fit, laying the rad and fans in place to see if there is any interference with the motherboard, video card, ect. It looks like everything will fit... it looks like the hardest part is gonna be the pump, and T fitting in the pump lines. I think I can put the output line from the rad on the outside of the drive bay cage,
down to the pump. And put the line from the fill port, down the other side (window side), down to the T fitting.

I mocked up a ms paint drawing of how I plan on putting in my components. What do you guys think? Any foreseeable problems?
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1...000bmodgu7.png

the center top barb on the mcp655 is the inlet if my memory serves me correctly... The way the flow arrows and pump alignment are in your picture contradict that. Other than that little detail, the loop looks exactly like the CPU-only loop I just built. Can't wait to see the numbers on this setup!

btw: good idea using the t-line fitting to hold the silvercoil in place in the loop avoiding possible collision with the pump inside the tubing. Looks like you have a general understanding of what to do! :up:

K, I guess i'll double check that lol. If so, I gotta rethink how I'll orient the pump.

I also plan to water cool the video card, soon as i settle on a water block, and if I don't upgrade it with evga upgrade. So I'm gonna wait a bit I think.

edit: You were right, the center is inlet. When I was laying the pump in the case, for a minute I thought to check the paper work to see which was inlet, and output... But I guess I got lazy and assumed i was thinking correctly.

Now to rethink how I will orient it.

just mount the pump so that the inlet faces skyward, using the side of the HDD cage to hardmount the pump (with some sort of foam/vibration-dampener between of course)

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Originally Posted by Diverge

Hmm, Is that true? Cause I read of a few people using them together.

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false...

ive been promoting this generic package back when pentosin was first introduced to us. If you see or read problems with this mix, its because of improper mixing ratios.


Pentosin is also highly toxic tho.

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Originally Posted by sniperbob

just mount the pump so that the inlet faces skyward, using the side of the HDD cage to hardmount the pump (with some sort of foam/vibration-dampener between of course)

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yeah, that was my 2nd idea. But I just came up with another orientation, that I like better cause it routes the intlet and outlet tubes in a nice position. (inlet aimed towards rad/ filler ports, and outlet towards cpu)

My only concern is the pump being on an angle. Anyone know if it's okay? (i don't see why it would. it doesn't have bearings that might wear unevenly)

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/930...0233yv0.th.jpg http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/8...233apf9.th.jpg

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Originally Posted by NaeKuh

false...

ive been promoting this generic package back when pentosin was first introduced to us. If you see or read problems with this mix, its because of improper mixing ratios.


Pentosin is also highly toxic tho.

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Cool, thanks for the info. I only planned to add very little G11, as I only want a tint of blue.

why did u get 2 fill ports? Kinda of pointless, but it's not that expensive do ur thing. Build looks like mine almost, but i went with a swifttech rad and different fans and more ghetto

After getting my parts and trying to layout everything; I agree, getting 2 fill ports was a waste of money (only like $11). I was gonna mount one low, as a drain, on the pump outlet side... but I don't want to over-complicate things, maker it harder to fit tubing, or add more restrictions, ect. So it probably won't be used.

can the swifty pumps be mounted at an angle like that? I've always wondered what kind of effects an angled mounting would have on a centrifugal pump such as the 355's or 655's...

I found its better to wait until you get your stuff to plan the orientation because if you do it before when you get your stuff in you will be frustrated at how it did work out or you have to mod things but for me thats the fun part

i have my 655 inverted 90 degrees and can see no negative issue with it. i called gabe at swiftech and he didn't seem very fond of the idea but didn't recommend me NOT trying it. the only thing he said was a major NO-NO was using dye in the loop.

Here is how I mounted my rad.

My only concern is possibly having problems with bends of the tubing coming from the rad going to cpu block (after extending past my dvd burner). I guess I'll know more soon as I put more stuff in and actually start cutting the real lengths for the tubing


http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k...0108092003.jpg http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k...108092022a.jpg http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k...0108092024.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...n/IMG_0898.jpg

I'll try to get pics of the lower chamber up later