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Tis a shame customers who bought V1/2 SSD had to beta test for OCZ's benefit :(
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Tis a shame customers who bought V1/2 SSD had to beta test for OCZ's benefit :(
Thats why smart ppl never jump to completely new tech. Always wait a generation or two for them to iron out the bugs and problems.
Thats not true. It more depends on the company and quality from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by RejZoR
Right, early adopters get burn very often.Quote:
Originally Posted by RejZoR
at the time of launch those drives were the best performance Vs price point we could do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
You have to remember the controllers on these drives take around 6 months to develop, hence issues we found with the 602 controller will be fixed with controllers that will be released around 6 months later.
Things take time...V2 is awesome on hardware raid as is Solid, i still don't have issues with the V1 in this laptop either.Many users do not have any issues and are pleased with the performance the drives offer for the price they pay...if i could have bought V2 30GB here for $50 each i would have bought 4 at least ;)
Guys please remember you can't have the world and his dog from the getgo...its going to come in stages. SSD is very new technology even now.
Yep, and new technology has to mature. That's why i am still waiting for affordable, reliable and nevertheless performing ssds to get available. :D
bashing ocz's for having the same problems every other manuf with that controller has is olde imo
I agree Levish, but it's hard when you're an end user and bought one...
So how many OCZ SSD drives did you have problems with?Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
Says guy who has motherboard with flashed alpha bios and MS Vista with SP2 Beta...Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
I think there is people imagination, not SSD to blame. This is technology to go, and people who bought SSD are supporting new technology. Not sitting on bootable win2.0 from floppy and 286 bought in craigslist at late 80'.
Customers i know who bought SSD's haven't had single problem. Lots of those SSD's have same internals as OCZ SSD's have.
We moved on, Vertex is fast ;) new replacement for budget series is in my laptop here and again is fast ;) aslo. We are doing our best to offer drives that are based around performance/cost, bang for buck etc...
Overall SSD is getting better...now we just need raid cards with faster IO processors LOL...
I'm eagerly waiting for that one :) Might be my first SSD and replace the good 'ole 60 GB 5400 rpm 2,5" drive in my MacBook.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
It was a new technology 10 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by RejZoR
Are you saying that a raid controller such as intel's SB will mask the issues with current SSD's?
Gimme some proof it's on par with X25-M, and I'll order 8. (darn international shipping prices...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
You make it sound like ocz sent the product to market with zero testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Will ocz test the new drives before marketing or will it be up to the customer again ?
I never buy new tech without research, i knew what i was getting into when I ordered mine and thats why i only used it for things where random write rate is moot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
If I cared I would have gotten a caching controller, granted I understand most people expect them to be plug and play but no matter how long SSD's have been on the market they haven't been common in the mainstream.
OCZ's prices put them into attainable range, are we to fault OCZ that normal people bought them thinking they'd be plug and play or should we fault them for buying new tech without knowing what they were getting into?
Not Intel's SBs, but a good RAID-Controller with onboard RAM will do (but they ain't cheap). IIrc such controllers often cache data and sort it before it's being read/writen so you get a sequential access. SSDs have great sequential write/read performance but they lack performance when the access is random.Quote:
Originally Posted by cegras
yea i have been watching ssds for awhile now. im hopping that the OCZ V3 series will turn out good then i might finally get one.Quote:
Originally Posted by RejZoR
OCZ of course. The Core series are aimed to the masses, and the masses are in most cases stupid. Knowing that target they chose to use that stupidity combined with marketing as a weapon to make money. If they were targeting another market, it would have been an entirely different situation. This is 100% normal in business, but what it's not acceptable are the excuses and the lack of sincerity when the product fails and OCZ has to respond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Levish
Nothing is perfect, look at all the firmware and bios updates that are constantly addressing issues on seasoned hardware and constant driver updates to fix problems.
Hell can anybody name any piece of hardware that only has one revision since release.
Any news on a release date for the Vertex series Tony?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
I am definitley interested in grabbing some :)
You and a bunch of others. OCZ currently has an NDA on these drives so release dates are still not available yet but the official word so far is "Limited availability before end of the year.. more widespread in January".Quote:
Originally Posted by Biker
I've been keeping an eye out since the announcement. I'm not worried about waiting for the technology to mature, I think these will meet my needs nicely. In 6 mos they will be better and cheaper so it would be a relatively cheap and easy upgrade (for me anyway).
*edit* a few e-tailers have them listed but out of stock. Prices are (expectedly) a fair amount above MSRP.
You can't blame OCZ for the controller issues as nearly all SSD drives used this controller. I look forward to seeing what SSD can do. But we need new I/O designs to take advantage. For the home user random access and random read and writes with small and large files are were need the most performance. But even OS's need to be tweaked for SSD. SSDs will catch on.
So there will be a new budget series as well?;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Yes, there are a bunch of etailers listing them. Can't read German so I don't know if they are in stock there or not (or if it even says).
Not in stock, it says they're ordered. Nice ssds, if they'll perform as advertised. :D (but not really cheap ones, huh?!)
What about a swappable controller chip (board) in future products? Could that be possible at all? That would be bang for buck!
From my understanding it is still the memory chips itself that are expensive to produce while the controller chip is expensive to design, test, optimize, etc. Since new controller chips are designed for new drives anyway they could be sold fairly cheaply as upgrade parts for older drives.
Do I make sense at all Tony?
you want a socketed controller...err not doing to happen. To small and hard to socket and be sure signaling would be ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by alexio
Vertex looks to be happening over the holidays, so its looking like you may see drives just after Xmas and between new yrs BUT remember this is a busy time and people book time off...so it may slip a little.
I know etailers are getting SKU'd up now so as soon as we ship stock you can order.
Yeah I figured it wouldn't be easy. How many legs do these controller ICs that OCZ uses generally have?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
We're going OT here, but anyway...
How many complaints about Vista install did you see with other SSDs, and how many with OCZ to date? Quite a difference...
IMO, the actual speed is one thing, not being able to install an OS onto it?? Hell, that's not something that may get through QA testing.
Kudus to OCZ for advancing SSDs though, I've not seen a company push new and new so often, and the market has to follow.
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Originally Posted by vengance_01
How about fully firmware upgradable controller? makes little business sense, I guess, but it would work..
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
cyberport.de claims to have Vertex-SSDs with 30, 60 and 250 GB on 25.12.2008 and the one with 120 GB on 01.01.2009.Quote:
Originally Posted by FZ1
Not my favourite webshop anyway :D
Guys...Merry Christmas. Remember that OCZ wants to have one too. :D
Ho Ho Ho!!! One week to go! If you haven't ordered those Christmas presents, better get crackin' or they might not make it down the Chimney in time...or the porch in case you don't have a Chimney. :)
How about i run the OCZ support forum like our competitors run their forums...hide away all that is bad, remove links and bashing and generally be heavy handed?Quote:
Originally Posted by alfaunits
That way all you would see on our forum is 1 page of people with good experiences and all would look rosy.
People come to our forum usually when they have an issue, when you sell thousands of drives that means the percentage of people having issues remains around constant but the amount that represents is larger.
So...If you sell 100 drives and 1% have issues that's 1 person posting, if you sell 100,000 drives that is 1000 people posting with issues...looks worse but in reality its not that bad.
Since I posted tweak guides, Rookie posted Steadystate and we cleaned up the SSD forum the general feeling towards Core has somewhat changed.
Here is the best part to all this, 32bit Vista is proving the best OS for us at this time once tweaked. 90% of all the issues installing went away once people started loading the correct driver F6 as well.
The 10% of issues we can not fix are usually due to sata controller settings in bios, or the lack of setting available..SSD drives do like the controller set to Compatible Mode usually but many bios files do not even have the option.
So in many cases a simple bios code change is all that is needed to get the drives working well.
+1, Tony
OCZ's forum has a lot of solutions to any problems people are complaining about. The problem is that people are just complaining and not adding to the solution on these forums. If you spend 5 minutes with Google you can usually figure out the solution to SSD problems. Also if you pay attention to what is going on in the SSD world you would know SSDs are high end components that make good use of other high end components like hardware RAID controllers with onboard cache. OCZ has taken the steps to help us out with even that by adding onboard cache to the Vertex series. We'll of course see if that holds up in a week or two, but that seems to be the primary reason of adding cache and changing the SSD's controller. I don't see any of these other companies with the support level OCZ has either. They have given us nothing but solutions to problems (in English at that) with SSDs.
Anyways, I'm buying two 30GB Vertex SSDs so I'll let you all know how they fare on 790FX/SB750 and/or X58 boards.
That was the plan with core v2 I believe, its got a usb port intended for firmware upgrades. Its entirely possible Jmicron doesn't have a fix.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfaunits
I ordered 2 of them already, i hope they will arrive soon :rolleyes:
I can't wait to hear what you think of them. Some performance benchmarks will be nice, but some subjective information about what kind of difference they gave you in responsiveness of your system is also very nice. I can't wait to have a proper SSD in my system, to bad pricing is still not they way I like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astri
What happened?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Firmware problems, I have heard.
can somone post a bench of 2 vertex's in software raid 0
780i mobo would be even better
pretty sure everything has been cross-shipped back to OCZ, where they are reflashing the drives
so delayed by another week or so....... maybe by end of Feb we see some numbers
Vertex is not yet on the market :(Quote:
Originally Posted by billdavis
We all waiting :D
how about Apex?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nizzen
There are some apex benches on OCZ forum and Benchmark Reviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by billdavis
yup Apex...been out a few weeks
The guys at Guru3D already have a review on the 120Gbs Apex. Interesting reading. I will still wait to switch from my core v1 to Vertex.
Got a link to it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabriel Noraa
Here are some links to other Apex reviews, couldn't find one on guru3d.
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...=290&Itemid=60
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=661
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/sto...b-ssd-review/1