These have been available for a little while and I have't seen anyone with one actually installed. Mor have I been able to find any reviews...?
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These have been available for a little while and I have't seen anyone with one actually installed. Mor have I been able to find any reviews...?
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,6...ss_GPU_Cooler/
It doesn't look like the Thermalright hit the mark this time?!:shocked:
-Jason
Haha damn! They sure did :-D
The HR-03 GTX Beat the SilenX in all tests. If you are wondering why the graph shows the SilenX running at 5V, it's because in the earlier paragraph it's stated that at 12V it wasn't much better either.
So the SilenX option is worse than the stock cooler? Weaksauce.
I guess the heat output of GTX280 is just too much for the HR03. Imo the stock cooler is pretty good already.
The HR-03 GTX actually does very well. It's the SilenX cooler that is worse than the stock cooler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nazu
Here is a qutoe from the page:
More interesting than the GPU temperature is the temperature of the voltage converters. Both coolers are delivered with a plate that is intended to cool the power supply system of the Geforce card. Compared to the stock design that spreads the heat over the whole plate and thus on a bigger surface, both solutions do worse here and in case of the Silenx cooler even critically worse. The Thermalright HR-03 GTX keeps the converters at stable temperatures, but during a worst-case scenario in Crysis there have been some distortions. An additional fan that is directed the the plate can solve the problem. The stock cooler is obviously more effective in this category. We are in close contact to the producers about this matter.
So it sounds like the voltage converters need an additional solution.
-Jason
Ah, yeah. I misread the charts. The vrm temps are kinda scary tho...Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper
Its possible to attach another fan to the mounted one on the HR-03 using zip ties, this can help cool the VRMs
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/encnfoconoco.html
I wonder if it is possible to rig something like this up to better cool the VRMs? you can also attach a 40mm fan as well.
-J
That wont cover all the vrm's and you would have to mount it with termal addhesive tape or glue=not a very good idea. Just putting a 80mm or 120mm fan over the vrm's would be a better idea.
It would also be a lot easier to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nazu
Midget Mariachi http://www.image-jump.com/img/5cce8d...3962fb669f.gif
http://www.swiftnets.com/assets/imag.../GTX200-HS.jpg
Found this on Swifttech's site. I am sure it is possible to mod it so that it would fit the HR-03GTX. The concern is the VRMs and from the one review I saw, it doesn't seem that the TR solution was the best.
-Jason
you'd just need to file the top fin area above the GPU so that the HR-03 heatpipes can fit, otherwise yea I had that idea when that heatsink was posted in the WC section :D
I installed my HR-03 GTX on my 260 earlier today. My load temp in Furmark after 15 minutes is 57 C now using a 120mm fan @ 1600 RPM. With the stock cooler at 75% in the same test I was getting 68 C. The only downside is the previously mentioned VRM heatsink. At the end of the 15 minute Furmark test the highest VRM temp was 101 C. On the stock cooler it was only 76 C. Fortunately, this only seems to be a problem in Furmark. After playing Crysis for a few hours the highest the VRM temp got was 82 C. I play with VSYNC on though, so this may have affected the results. The main benefit of the HR-03 for me is that it is much quieter than the stock cooler while lowering temps.
Do you think that these would work? http://www.petrastechshop.com/enmomohekit.html
I do think that fitting some Enzotech or similar copper sinks would be a superior method, compared to the stupid plate and light aluminum sinks Thermalright provides. I have fitted a few HR-03's to 8800 and 9800 series cards and I used some Enzotech sinks on one of the cards instead of the stock sinks. Had to use the low-profile sinks on the ram that's under the back of the TR cooler though.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
They also stick better as they use a better grade of thermal tape.
I am waiting to order an HR-03GTX for my GTX280, I already have an assortment of Enzotech sinks for it. When I finally get one I will post some photos of my "copper sink mod".
I'm looking forward to seeing what you got!Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro
:up:
I cant wait. :D I just got a GTX280 and was thinking about doing an HR-03GTX with some enzotech sinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro
Thanks, Jsunn:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
I am glad you made this post, as I have been a devoted HR-03 user for a long time now. However, the long delay for the HR-03GTX has been a major annoyance to me, as I have had this 280 for several months now, waiting for some decent cooling.
Looking at your sig., that 8800GTS rocks! Are you using the stock cooler on it?
And since you posted about the HR-03GTX, are you planning on getting a 260 or 280?
You too, eh?:D It's a worthwhile upgrade to the card's cooling.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
The 280 is a great card, I got mine on an EVGA Trade-up to replace the fast but laggy 9800GX2 I had previously. I just run it at 100% fan speed all the time for now to keep the temps. in check. I am going to use Enzotech regular and low-profile ramsinks for the memory, and some of the mosfet sinks as well. Once I have the card apart, I will be able to determine which sinks to use for the vrm's, etc. It's a bit of a different layout from the 8800 that I previously fitted with copper sinks.
My main problem is finding a retailer that actually has an HR-03GTX in stock!
Performance-pcs.com has them in stock. That was my main problem wasn't sure which enzotech sinks to use. Im sure a kit of 8 memory, low profile memory, and mosfet would be fine though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro
I actually have the 8800GTS and I am using the HR-03GT on it now along with the HR-11.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro
http://pix.myphotoalbum.com/j/js/jsu...3139.sized.jpg
It is an awesome cooler. I am planning on getting the gtx280, we'll see how much the gtx285 is when it comes out.
I would like to see a better solution for the VRMs and hopefully they will adapt the HR-11 to the GTX200 series.
-J
Please post specific part names too and where you ordered them as I will be following in your foot steps. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Retro
-Jason
That should cover all the bases, so to speak. Looking at the Thermalright installation photos, it looks possible to use all copper sinks, not certain about the HSI chip though. I checked the listing for Performance PC's, may consider them if my main supplier doesn't get them in soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
Nice setup on the 8800GTS:up: I have not tried an HR-11 yet, one of the few things from Thermalright that I haven't had:D If they do a 200 series version.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
The GTX280 is a nice upgrade, they are quite reasonable in price now when on sale. Or if you can wait for the next gen. revision, I don't have enough patience!
I will make a list whatever I use, of course the HR-03GTX, as well as the copper sinks. As for the 120mm fan, I have a couple kicking around which I want to test, a Noctua NF-P12 which worked well on the previous HR-03GT I did, a mid-range Panaflow, and a Silverstone beast which is rated at 100cfm+ but a lot noisier than the Noctua.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
Or I could order a 220cfm Delta, that would supply enough airflow to take care of the entire card:D
Alright,
You have had a few days off by now I am sure of it! So, Retro, where are the pictures of the install?
-Jsunn
The suspense has been killing me too.
Ha ha:p: Yes, I have had some time off from work. But I also have a family, and Xmas, fun as it is, can be a lot of work!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
I don't even have the HR-03GTX yet, but I have finally found a retailer that has them in stock in my area (well, about 250 miles from me) and I ordered one on Xmas day. My present to myself:D
Cost me $88 with shipping and tax.
They are busy with the Xmas orders now but I should have it in my paws by next weekend.
It will take me a while to figure out which sinks to use where, but hopefully it will all come together well.
And, I have my camera ready to roll;)
I know what you mean:p: In the meantime, I have been searching for reviews on the HR-03GTX and managed to find only one other besides the one posted by Jsunn. I posted it here, it's from some German site. Anyhow, I will be doing my own review soon enough!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
http://translate.google.ca/translate...icial%26sa%3DN
I cant wait to see, I may do the same. I just need to get a few bucks together first. Good Luck :up:
Retro? you there? Anything? Happy New Year by the way!
Happy New Year to you too:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
I have not finished the HR-03GTX project yet. I do have one now though!
As I suspected, the supplied vrm cooling "plate" looks rather useless for any real cooling. The rest of the sinks are the usual lightweight aluminum with not much fin area. As for the GPU cooler, it looks great like the other HR-03 series heatsinks are. It apparently works quite well from what I have read, but the rest of the parts....bleh:p:
I want to do this project right, as far as my own warped ideas go. As mentioned, I have a pack each of Ezotech copper ram sinks, regular and low profile. I don't have the mosfet sinks yet. Also, I am going to replace the other chip sink with something better, I am considering trying an Enzotech copper nb sink, or possibly an Xigmatec Porter nb cooler, as crazy as that may sound:rolleyes:
Then I want to tie two 120mm fans together to cover most of the card.
So I have to order in the remaining parts before I tear off the stock shroud and heatsink and start scrubbing off the factory chewing gum from the 280. I hope to have the remaining parts in a week or two once I recover from Xmas expenses:D
I am surprised that there have been so few reviews so far on the HR-03GTX or anyone else modding one up yet:cool:
Thanks Retro, please keep us posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro
Looks like I am going to be getting the GTX285 on the 15th of Jan. I am hoping the the HR-03GTX will fit on the GTX285, and with your mods, a great cooling solution!
-Jason
I shall. Looks like this heatsink with the copper sinks, fan(s) etc. with shipping and taxes is going to be over $250:eek: A lot of people would question spending that much to cool a 280 but a good water-cooling system, block and sinks would still cost me a lot more. Regardless, I have committed myself to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
The GTX285 will be a big boost for you. An early report at Expreview had it at about 10% faster than the 280 at stock clocks. I haven't found any pricing information on it yet, the Expreview preview of it has mysteriously disappeared from the web, probably due to Nvidia NDA clampdowns until it's released.
However, I hope it will be reasonable in cost at release. As for the GTX280, you can get a good deal on one now, I have seen it as low as $349 with a mir. But the 285 should run cooler with the 55mm technology. As for the HR-03 GTX fitting, I don't know, but Thermalright will surely come out with some version for it:cool:
Retro,Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro
Any updates on this. I got my 285 and I am looking at temps in the low 80s under load. The stock fan is pretty loud at 65% and up so I am looking for another option.
Here is a link to how I had to mod my HR-03GT.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=214938
-Jason
Nice job bending the heatpipes on the HR-03GT:up: I have had to "re-shape" a few heatpipes due to clearance issues but none to that degree! I had a question about your two-card setup but I will post that in your other thread:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
Sorry I am so slow getting this done, I could easily slap the HR-03GTX on the 280 with the stock sinks, but as I mentioned I want to try improving the cooling where it is lacking first. I had expected to get some cash for an upgrade I did for a friend before Xmas but he is low on funds so I have to wait for that. It will probably be about $150 for the remaining parts I need to get, that also includes a copper sink for my southbridge.
I also have to go out of town for a week so that's going to set me back to sometime next month before I get this project finished:(
Anyhow, I can see where you would be wanting to improve on the stock cooler for your 285, hopefully the GTX can be fitted to it.
Lol damn... good thing I can read the German original of this article - horrendous translation :shocked: :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
Anyway, I am glad Thermalright finally got their HT-03 updated and working.. I promised a customer an aircooled rig with a GTX 280 a few months back when they first announced their HR03GTX, boy did I feel stupid telling him that TR screwed up and hence couldn't build him his quiet rig with that card :rolleyes:
That's why I hate air cooling :p:
No i guess the other reviewers were fumbling or made an installation fault, i could not believe what i saw!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
The germans just installed it correctly and that's how a HR-03XX should suppose to work.
I have the HR-03GT and my GPU is 41 degrees celsius on 100% load (check signature for specs).
I was just told on another forum about TR'S future 55nm compatibility for the new Nvidia cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
http://www.thermalright.com/new_a_pa...r_hr03gtx.html
This link to TR's HR-03GTX under "graphics cards compatibilities" states that they will soon have a 55nm version for the new 260/285's. Looks like you will be able to have that new 285 running nice and cool this summer:cool:
I saw that. I will be waiting. I am wondering if they will make any improvements on the VRM cooler?Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro
The German guys installed it correctly, so i guess it is good as it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
So towards TR: Sell the damned thing because i need a new GPU!!!
Somehow I doubt it. That's where we have to make our own improvements:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
Im going to have to try this out. I just ran furmark while keeping an eye on my vrm temps and I felt uncomfortable. Then there is the fact that I found out about that voltage softmod through riva tuner.
Please elaborate...Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
Retro, any updates or ideas?
-J
I should have the rest of the Enzotech sinks that I need, ordered by next week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
That would allow me to have it done the week after that.
So, basically, I am going to replace all of the supplied Thermalright aluminum sinks and the vrm plate with Enzotech copper sinks, and use a copper nb sink to replace the supplied hsi sink. Then I will rig up another 120mm fan to supply additional airflow to the vrm area. I'm going to lap the HR-03GTX as well.
Nice being able to boost the juice without flashing the card with a modded bios or using a soldering gun! No idea what effect this would have on the card's temps. though.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
Here's another one for your consideration Jsunn:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
http://www.arctic-cooling.com/vga2.php?idx=202
Eta for the Arctic Cooling heatsink is sometime in March. Looks very interesting, and it is compatible with the GTX285:cool:
Is the base convex? Is that a feature for the GTX280/260? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Retro
Im very interested to see this. Which fans do you plan on using? I may do the same very soon, but the new price for a q9650 is very tempting.
Actually the base of the HR-03GTX is fairly flat, with just some very fine machining grooves visible through the nickel plating. But I always lap these heatsinks anyway, it exposes the copper underneath:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
Now my former TRUE cpu heatsink, that was convex! Took me a while to flatten that sucker. I got damn good temps. with it though. How was your TRUE Black's base? It should be able to handle a Q9650 with ease:D That is a tempting upgrade!
As for the fans, I have a couple Noctua NF-P12 120mm fans just waiting to cool something, so I will probably use those instead of blowing even more money on this crazy project. I know they look weird being flesh-colored with brown blades, but they are good fans and very quiet for the airflow they provide.
I don't know if you saw it, but thermal right has released an updated VRM cooler for the GTX285.
http://www.thermalright.com/new_a_pa...llation/05.JPG
http://www.thermalright.com/new_a_pa...llation/06.JPG
I am not sure how I would fit the cooler in my case as the only real room would be to mount it so the cooler fins are on the top side (back) of the card and that isn't recommended.
I will have to do some thinking since I want to keep my physx card and want aftermarket cooling for my 285.
Hummm.....
I am wondering if I have another fan blowing on the front of the card I can still mount it upsidedown?
-J
You have to take a before and after pic of the base on that HR-03. Im sure that you'll drop a few degrees by lapping her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro
It took forever to lap that thing to a nice and flat base. I had arthritis by the time that I was done, but it was worth it. It should work well with a Q9650, I ran a decent voltage ~1.4 cpu-z and it kept my e8400 very cool. I ordered the q9650 yesterday. I couldnt resist, now I just have to wait. I can't wait to see how she clocks. My e8400 was a C0 and didn't clock too well (solid chip though) so it should be a nice upgrade. I just have to decide if I want to lap it or not, Im sure that I will at some point, just because.
Now I have to wait on the HR-03. I was thinking that if you could install it with the stock backplate it would look much better. Ive allways liked the look of the GTX 260/280 backplates. I have a decent side fan that should work well to keep the chips on the back nice and cool. As long as you have the heatsink facing down the Nocturas shouldn't be too visable. :D If it keeps things quiet it's worth it, too bad Im way past that point my rig sounds like a windtunnel.
The lapping may help a bit with the temps, I just like the copper to be exposed to contact the gpu chip.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
Q9650. Wow! They are on sale for $430 this week at my local retailer, but that's a bit too much for my budget. My E8600 is going to have to do for now. But you are going to have a lot of fun with it, here's a thread I just spotted in the Intel section:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=217134
I hope you can run it at 4 grand as well, that sucker will really fly:p:
Fun lapping those TRUE's isn't it? But worth the effort.
I don't know if the HR-03GTX could be installed with the stock back plate, but it would look better than a "naked" card.
Windtunnel? Ah, you have a 1200. It's a nice case though, I would rather put up with a bit of extra fan noise for the excellent cooling it provides. What fans are you running in it?
Still waiting to buy the last few bits for the HR-03GTX. The damn thing is sitting on top of my desk staring at me through it's little windowed box:D
I picked my Q9650 up for $345 shipped from the Egg. It want too bad I sold off my beloved wolfdale and my old 780i that has been sitting in my closet forever. I can't wait untill that thing comes to my door. I can't wait to clock a new chip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro
I replaced all of the tri-cools on my 1200 with those 1900rpm slipstreams they're not too bad but the high speed 120x38mm ultra kazes on my True put it over the top. I my just swap them all out for some yate loons one day. All in all I love that case though.
Everything in my rig is black. The board, my 280, the True, even the inside of the case and I put in a couple of red ccls so the backplate would look sweet with the HR-03.
Ireally can't wait to see what you do with the 280. You have to moniter temps and run furmark. Thats what I want to see.
Good price! I think I paid that much for my 8400 CO when I bought it over a year ago! It's still purring away at 4000MHz in a friend's comp.:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
That's a nice selection of fans. But it's always a compromise between noise and airflow isn't it? Noctuas on my heatsinks and some cheap blue-glowie Coolermaster 120's in my case. Nothing fancy but they work.
All black theme, eh? Well, it looks like you are going to have to wait for the Thermalright "Black Edition" of the HR-03GTX then:D
I do plan on running some comparisons on the temp. differences between stock and HR-03-ized version. I may run ATITool and Rdribble or whatever it's called instead of Furball this time though due to Thermalright's concerns about it!
You should post some shots in the case section:up:
Spray paint will work fine with that heatsink. :D Ill use a metallic spray to help with thermal conductivity. But seriously I think that the backplate would help me stick with my theme. I may post some pics once I get my PCP+C 750w back from an RMA. Im using a butchered BFG800w right now. :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro
Thats cool I cant wait to see your comparisons. I really just wanna see how well how the copper sinks fair vs the stock heatsink. I haven't been able to find any similar comparison. :up:
I'm looking on the sideline in this topic. :)
Any updates?
Update:
I have nearly finished the HR-03GTX. But I have to order some thermal adhesive for the Enzotech mosfet sinks as the vrm chips are very tiny and the included thermal tape won't work.
I'm not going to use my Noctua fans for the card as I am using both on my Noctua cpu cooler. So I also have to order two 120mm fans tonite. Thinking of getting a couple Skythe Kaze Slip Stream Jyuni (where do they get these names:rolleyes:) either the 1200 or 1600 rpm model.
That's all I need to complete the project. Two 120mm fans strapped together side by side fit nicely over the card. But I will probably have to strap them to the heatsink as the included wire clips are only designed to work with one fan.
Should have the fans and "glue" by Friday or Monday so the card will be finished by next week:cool:
How about some pics, you owe us at least that!!
:p:
I'll upload some later tonite:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
Snapped a few quick shots, still not quite finished but you get the idea:
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/e...Picture001.jpg
I just plopped the mosfet sinks on loose to show what they will look like.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/e...Picture003.jpg
Back of the card.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/e...Picture004.jpg
Two old dusty fans zip-tied on. Shows what the airflow potential will be with two good 120's installed.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/e...Picture007.jpg
Had the mobo out for some work. Note that the card is sagging a bit but it is fine when bolted into the case.
The project was not an easy one, and it cost a fair bit of dough, but the cooling results should be worth it. I had to drill out the mounts on the Enzotech nb sink for it to fit properly. Also had to use low-profile ram sinks in areas where clearance was tight.
Looking forward to getting this thing done next week:rolleyes:
when is SilenX ever an option, and ever beating anything, ive seen rosewill coolers perform better then silenxQuote:
Originally Posted by YukonTrooper
Is it possible, that you can use the included HSI heatsink that comes along the HR-03 GTX, on the GTX285?
Retro: So you removed the thermal tape from the enzotech mosfet, and then bought some thermal adhesive? In that case, which kind of thermal adhesive did you buy?
And why won't the thermal tape on the enzotech mosfet not work? I thought they used the same good thermal tape as on the enzotech ram heatsink?
Wow! That is an intense looking setup! Have you fired it up yet to see how the temps look?
Nice Job!
-J
Have a look at the installation photos on the Thermalright site for the HR-03 GTX. I just did, the kit should include an hsi sink that fits the 285. I think:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by wendigo4700
To clarify the thermal tape/thermal adhesive situation:
My original intention was to just use thermal tape where needed. Thermal adhesive, being permanent, voids your warranty on the card. I have read that it can be diluted a bit with thermal compound to make the sink removable, but I haven't tried that yet.
So, I used the included thermal tape on all my ram sinks, it works well, especially Enzotech's, they use a good grade of 3M tape. I really clean the ram chips well though, including a light buffing with 2000 grit sandpaper.
As for the vrm's, they are very tiny, too small for thermal tape to stick to, not enough contact area. So I have to use thermal adhesive for them. I ordered some Arctic Silver Alumina Thermal Adhesive. It is safer to use then the silver based version on this area of the card as it's less conductive.
Edit: Didn't have to use Thermal Adhesive. The included tape on the sinks bonded well after some heating:D
Thank-you, to the guy who started this fine thread:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
I havent fired it up yet for a few reasons:
First, the VRM sinks aren't attached yet until I get my Thermal Adhesive.
The fans I have to install are also on their way, the ones in the photo are just for demo.
Once I get the stuff, I can finish the card and install it along with the mobo.
Then I will post results:cool:
Edit: Adhesive? We don't need no stinking adhesive:D
Damn. I'm too afraid of using such thermal adhesive. And besides that, I'll propaly never get them off. And as you say, it will remove warranty. So no enzotech mosfet for me on the VRM :'(
I guess I'll just have to wait for thermalright to release their VRM heatsink version for GTX285.
That looks pretty nice. But it looks like its bending your card.
Its warping due to heat, that is why some manufacturers install a support bar along the top when they use custom coolers (my 8800GT has it)
Yes, it's best to avoid using adhesive unless you are prepared to keep your card forever:D The HR-03 GTX is supposed to be compatible with the GTX285 as well, check it out! You could always use Thermalright's supplied sinks for the vrm's.Quote:
Originally Posted by wendigo4700
Thanks! There is some bending going on there, but keep in mind the card is not bolted into a pci-e slot, it's just clipped loosely into the un-mounted motherboard, sitting on top of a cardboard box:DQuote:
Originally Posted by jollyjoker
Yes, that's a good idea, the HR-03's sometimes do tend to bend the card somewhat. I may rig up a support bracket for it if needed. All of that copper isn't helping either:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by LuckyNV
I have heard of people using super glue (yeah super glue) in just the corners of the memory with some thermal compound in the middle. Im not sure if that would work with the vrms or not. :shrug:
Would thermal tape work for the enzotech southbridge sink?
It looks good. :up: I can't wait to see this thing in action. Good work!
I've did that for the memory on my 8800GT and it worked great. I had no trouble removing the sinks either, just gave them a little twist and they came right off. I used very little glue though, I dipped a toothpick in the glue then touched the tip to the corners of the ram chips. Ram chips are a lot bigger than VRMs though.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
I've heard that too, but those vrm's are so tiny it would be too difficult for my shaky hands! Would work fine for the ram chips though. But the supplied thermal tape is fine for the ram chips if you really clean them well (and buffing them lightly with 2000 grit always works for me:D).Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
I wouldn't want to try using only thermal tape on the Enzotech sink, it's quite big and heavy for that but the built-in mounting tabs work with the card's holes if you file them out a bit. I used some MX-2 on the chip.
Thanks for the compliment:) I was a bit unhappy with the drooping of the card but it isn't too bad and can be braced if necessary.
My retailer didn't ship the fans and thermal adhesive yet but I should have it next week. Another glitch is that I am waiting for a new bios chip for my P5Q-Pro because I screwed it up trying to flash one of Ket's final modded bioses:(
Hopefully that will get here soon, I've waited a couple weeks so far.
Exactly:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Oats
How many boards does that make now? :ROTF: (sorry) His bios's have taken out quite a few boards here. Im so glad I went with the Deluxe. The dual socketed bios chips was a big selling point for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro
Once its in a pci-e slot and bolted to a board I would be willing to bet it will straighten right out. How much would you figure that card weighs now?
Yep, that's why I like socketed bios chips:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
I don't mean to blame Ket for it since I am the one who made the decision to flash to that bios, and he did warn me of the risk. Speaking of the Deluxe, I had one before my Pro. Damn good board and having two "socketed" bios chips was great. I sold it to a friend who was in a panic because his Gigabyte board was getting flakey and eventually died. And yes, I flashed the Deluxe successfully to Ket's M1406:p:
I was going to buy another Deluxe but they are over $100 more than the Pro at my retailer who always has the Pro's on sale but never the Deluxe. Needed to save a few bucks for something else I was scheming on doing, I think it was some screwball idea I had for a videocard heatsink:ROTF:
Good question about the card weight. I don't have a very accurate scale other than a bathroom scale so I can't say for sure. I know the TR HR-03GTX weight is listed at 410 grams, less the fan(s), and the GX280 weight would have to be less whatever the stock cooler weighs, then there is the weight of all the individual Enzotech sinks.............
Maybe I will try to borrow a good scale for that some day:D
Im not bashing Ket. Im using one of his bioses now (1702m). Seems to work good. It's crazy you can get a M2F for $50 more than a Deluxe now. I can't beleve they are selling for so much now.
I may have to do this myself with my 280 before summer rolls along. I can't wait to see how this works out. I can deal with my temps now but when it gets hotter out, I don't know.
Yes, I think Ket really made some worthwhile improvements to many of Asus P5Q series bioses. Looks like he has gone back to the T Power board for now.
My 280's temps. were not too bad either lately with the stock cooler, as long as I kept the fan at 100%. Summer will be another story though. Guess we are fortunate that we didn't get one of the early cards that were hitting something crazy like 110C. just by running Crysis for a few minutes:rolleyes:
He has his work cut out for him with that Tpower. :yepp: I sold that board in less than a week after I bought it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro
My 280 runs cooler than the early 260 that I had, but that was during the summer. I had to rma a 260 that got that hot. That thing heated up my whole case. It would have made a nice space heater during the winter time.
Not exactly HR-03GTX , but I'm posting in regards to the vrm cooling. I used the enzotech sinks after cleaning the mosfets. Once the mosfets heat up the 3M thermal tape improves it's hold on the mosfets and the enzo sinks. VRM temps are 85deg max in Atitool, 76deg max in games and 103degrees in Furmark. I don't game in Furmark, so they work for me. (temps are in celsius :))
Thanks for the information, kiparosu. Much appreciated:)Quote:
Originally Posted by kiparosu
Good photo, that's a very nice waterblock you have on the card. I haven't gone that route yet though! Regardless of air or water-cooling, the vrm's still have to be cooled. Good to see that the Enzotech sinks have worked out well for you. Your temps look very good too.
I was glad to hear that the thermal tape did hold after being heated up by the vrm's. They do get quite hot so that would make sense that there is enough heat to help activate the tape. I have some thermal adhesive but have not put any on yet as I am reluctant to bond them permanently.
I think I will try what you did and see if the tape holds for me as well.
Unfortunately, I can't test it yet until I get my replacement bios chip for my P5Q Pro that I "bad-flashed":p:
Hopefully it will get here this week so I can try this out. Anything to avoid using the glue that bonds forever:D
So the enzotech mosfet's should work just fine (even tho they're a bit to big for the VRM's) but they just needed to get heated up a little???
I'm still reconsidering using them for my GTX285.
I am testing the Enzotech mosfet sinks right now. I decided not to use any kind of thermal adhesive, just the included little itty bitty squares of 3M tape that come with the sinks. When first installed, they don't take much force to remove from the vrm's, but as kiparosu reported, they do bond better after heating them up as you use the card. I first installed them yesterday and they are still stuck to the vrm chips so far. Worth trying out, and there is no risk involved using the tape.Quote:
Originally Posted by wendigo4700
Thanks to kiparosu for the report on using the Enzotech sinks with the tape:up:
I did some early testing with Rivatuner while running ATITool for about an hour (no overclocking on the card yet). Ambient room temp. 18C.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/e...1Mar022135.gif
My GPU temps. under load maxed out at 51C.
The vrm's (phase 1-5 in R.T.) have hit a max. of 75C. in ATITool, averaging 67C under load.
Idle temps are about 38C for the gpu and 39C for the vrm's.
So far I'm quite happy with the outcome., with the expected drop of 15C or more on the gpu, and the vrms are running at very good temps.
Time for some overclocking, and voltage boosts:cool:
Nice, great results!
Can you post a part list? I will be looking to do the same for my GTX285!
-J
Thats really not bad on the VRMs, core temp is great. Now you just have to OC and run Furmark for a few minutes. :D
Sure, I will post a list tonite along with a photo of the card in the finished system. This should work well with your 285:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
Seems to be doing well on the vrm's, and the HR's are always good for a big drop on the gpu temps.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
I will get back to overclocking the card soon, just recovering from that bad flash, nice to have a spare bios chip handy:p:
I want to try a few other things such as newer drivers and EVGA's Voltage Tuner. Nothing really new about the voltage trick but their utility makes it easy. Furball, eh? Well it didn't blow up my card with stock cooling so I guess I could give it a try again:D
Retro you are the man! I have got to do this after I figure out weither I need to rma my GTX280 or my psu for the third time. Im leaning twords the psu.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/e...r/IMG_2066.jpg
Here's a shot of the finished product.
Ok Jsunn, here's the parts list:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
I had to use different sized ram sinks depending on where they went due to clearance with the cooler, nb sink, and at the back to allow access to my ram. The prices will vary for you depending on where you get the parts, sales, etc.
TR HR-03 GTX - $75 (1)
Enzotech CNB-S1L NB Heatsink - $20 (1)
" BMR-C1 Reg. Profile Ramsinks (2 packs, used 9 sinks) 2x$17
" BCC9 LP Ramsinks - $18 (1 pack, just used 1)
" MOS-C1 Mosfet Sinks - $14 (1 pack, used 7)
Skythe Slip Stream Kaze Jyuni 120mm 1600rpm 88cfm -used 2 - 2x$12 (there are better fans of course, but these are fine for me)
Misl.: 3 of the Thermalright LP Ramsinks from the kit for the 3 ram chips under the HR-03 GTX's heatpipes
3 Thermaltake LP Copper Ramsinks I had lying around (cleared my nb heatsink better than the Enzotech LP sinks which came too close for comfort) - about $10 per pack of 8
1 120mm fan guard - came with some fan I bought years ago - I cut it in half and bolted half to each fan where the blades were exposed on the outer sides. This prevents the blades from launching any stray sinks just in case they fall off:p:
MX-2 Thermal Paste
The scary thing is that added up, it cost me about $200 for all this stuff:eek:
Thanks:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
I will post some Furball results later.
RMA? Is that the PCP&C power supply again? The same one I have? Yikes!
Mine has been working great for over a year now. You are not having much luck with yours! I hope your 280 is ok though, keep us posted on that.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/e...1Mar032107.gif
A quick 10 minute Furball run. Not the clearest shot, may have to try a different screen capture program. Just a basic stability run without AA. I was surprised that the gpu and vrm temps didn't exceed the temps of the ATITool test I ran. I think I'll keep Furball installed:D
I noticed that spike on vrm1. My GTX280 does the same thing on GPU-Z and Rivatuner, any version. What did it read? Mine is allways 127c and I also just noticed it on your other SS. That makes me feel better. Really nice temps, btw. Better than a stock cooler on the vrms, now thats impressive. :up: If you run Furmark with some AA you will, especilly fullscreen you will see temps sky rocket.
Good work and it looks sexy mounted. Excelent job with cable management in that case, too. This might be the best aftermarket aircooled rig that I have ever seen. Nice! :)
@Retro
Is it just me or are you getting artifacts on that ATI Tool on the top left side ?
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
I have always had those spikes as well. If I move the cursor over them to read that temp, it still reads 70C or less. Nothing beyond that in the log either. I think it's some kind of bug with the software reading the 280's temps, nothing to worry about.
I will run Furmark with some AA fullscreen as well. Good way to break in the thermal tape:p:
It's not just you, I saw those dots too. I re-ran ATITool to watch for any but there were none. Then I checked the original image on my computer, the ScreenHunter capture shot, and it is completely free of any dots. Somewhere after uploading it the distortions appeared. Just to bug me:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Demo
Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/e...1Mar080715.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Retro
Wanted to post some temperature results obtained with a short run of Furmark. This is with fullscreen (1680x1050) and full 16X AA enabled in the test. The card is overclocked and volted up a bit as in the screenshot.
Not wanting to burst anyones bubble, especially my own, but this is why Thermalright is not too keen on it:
Quote:
"In our lab tests we have discovered that when running Furmark to test for temperature, it tends to show results that would never be achieved in any circumstances (under normal running or overclocking). Running Furmark is highly risky therefore we do not recommend running this program for tests. This program pushes the VGA card to the point of maxing out, beyond limit and will burn out any cooler, stock or after market coolers after long period of testing. Even running games such as Far Cry 2 and GTA 4 extensively for long hours, the temperatures would never reach what Furmark’s excruciating tests put out. Furthermore, it is crucial to have a 12cm fan installed running at 1600 RPM. This will ensure enough airflow to not only the HR-03 GTX heatsink body but also to the VRM heatsink plate. If you would like to run software to test for heatsink’s temperature stability, we strongly recommend ATI Tools."
Nonetheless, Furmark will show anyone, very quickly, how high the temps can be pushed. I could heat it up even more by running Furmark in Xtreme Burning Mode, but I may just as well hold a blow torch to it for that kind of fun:rolleyes:
Yeah, I never run it in fullscreen anymore (could be part of the reason that I need to rma my card now). The temps get insanely hot. Im surprised those vrm temps aren't much worse than the stock cooler and in real world useage you'll never have to worry. Im not a big fan of ATI Tool. My GTX280 gets hotter in Crysis which is acctually a pretty good program for stability testing.
Is it overclocking any better with the lower core temps? I hear these things love a low core temp.
How is the thermal tape holding up?
You do have to be careful running Furmark! I am not a big user of either program, ATITools can be a bit flakey and I don't find it very up to date. There are other programs for gpu stressing such as Nvidia's Human Head Demo.
What ultimately counts is how cool the card runs for what you normally use it for, which is generally going to be gaming. I think this cooler helps a lot for any gpu-intensive games such as Crysis. I have also noticed an improvement in smoothness when running GTA IV which can also put a lot of stress on a card.
I haven't really gained any increases in overclocking, I didn't expect to, based on previous results fitting TR HR-03 coolers to a few 8800 series cards.
I am still playing with EVGA's GVT which hasn't really produced any gains either:p: Mainly that the card is running stable and cooler.
So far the thermal tape is holding, the ram chips stick very well, the vrms not quite as solid but staying on.
Good luck with your rma. It's good that you went with EVGA, they are good for rma purposes.
I have been there, but that goes back a few years to the 6800 Ultra, after the third faulty rma replacement was sent to me "personally tested" from one of their staff, still in it's factory shrink-wrap, missing a capacitor, I got a refund from EVGA and played with ATI cards for a few years:D
Yeah, I think that Ill stick to gaming to test for stability. I wasn't really stressing it since I bought it just FO3 and The Witcher. They aren't the mose stressful games in the world. I had been playing GTA4 I noticed something was funny. I just had some artifacts in UT3 and Qrack which I never had before. The PSU is fine so Im not sure what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro
My last RMA with Evga went well, but it was for a new card since I bought a GTX260 where the IHS wasn't making proper contact and running hot as h*ll. Im a little worried about a refurb since I hear their quality control isn't the best in the world, but their customer service is good. I'll know soon since they're cross shipping me a card.
Let us know how the new or refirb card works when you swap it out. First the 260, now this. Maybe we should start another thread on that:p: Cross shipping is another nice option to have, saves a lot of down time if you don't have access to a spare card or another system.
The problem with quality control mainly lies with the fact that these cards, regardless of brand, are all stamped out by the zillions at one or two sweatshops, in China. Pretty hard to produce a quality product when you are forced to work under slave labor conditions.
An example of this, although not the same factory Nvidia uses to stamp out their cards, which could very well be even worse:
http://observers.france24.com/en/con...dell-ibm-china
So do you guys think, the Enzotech MOS-C1 should outperfom the new thermalright VRM heatsink made for the GTX285?
I mean..the thermalright VRM heatsink for GTX285, have more cooling area, since its one big block. While the Enzotech MOS-C1 are small individual heatsinks.
I'm really confused what to acquire :)
The thermalright VRM heatsink for GTX285 won't fit, they are for the 280. And frankly you don't need any. I put some sinks on them just to be sure but they only get lukewarm.
http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/u...s/SNC10533.jpg
Update:
I did some more testing of my card's overclocking with the HR-03 GTX compared to the stock cooler. It clocks a bit higher now, my previous best clocks with the stock cooler were:
Core:730/Shader:1515/Memory:1300
Now:
Core:735/Shader:1540/Memory:1350
I upped the voltage to 1.200v for kicks but the card overclocks the same without the voltage boost.
Not a huge gain but it shows that the TR cooler with the mods does help.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/e...1Mar110041.gif
The temp. shown is back at idle but it doesn't get too hot when running 3D06:cool:
I just think the Enzotech sinks are a better way to cool the vrm's than TR's supplied light aluminum plate. The Enzo's are copper with a tall fin area and supply individual cooling to the vrm's.Quote:
Originally Posted by wendigo4700
They also allow air to flow more freely throughout that area of the card.
TR's plate design does not look very effective.
Hey Jsunn,Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
Haven't seen any new posts here from you, the creator of this thread, for a while:p:
I hope my total price on the parts list didn't scare you off:D
Anyhow, now that I have been running this "creation" for a while, I will say that I have been very pleased with the overall temperatures and overclocking gain. It also helped me to get into the 20 Grand+ Club in 3D06, which is a goal I had not been able to quite hit before replacing the stock cooler. Haven't tried Vantage yet, but I do have a freebie copy from EVGA that I could load on my W7 h.d. #2 install. Another benefit is that even with two 120mm 1600rpm Skythe's running, it is quieter than the stock cooler was when running at 100%.
And so far, all the heatsinks are holding firm with their supplied thermal tape.
Let us all know what ya plan on doing with your GTX285:cool:
Retro,
I have been keeping track of this thread, just absorbing the info. I am trying to figure out the best way to go with my GTX285... I am also using my older 8800GTS G92 as a physX card and if I move to the HT-03GTX I will need to get of the physx card and I'm not sure I want to do that yet, unless I can come up with a new config for the HT-03.
I will definitly be using your parts list, that is for sure!!
-Jason