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I really hope you guys can do the same thing with retail chips. It will make all of our wallets much much happier :up:
lol, ah, er that could be any chip. kind of a crappy pic no showing the cpu, but oh well, exciting none the less i spose!
it looks to me as though they are just messing with Francois :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sneil
yes because it is from a photo album of amd's show, with all the other photo's that were taken there aswell... they of course used an intel chip...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sneil
lol. on multi alone no less!
hehe, we'll soon find out
I was there. I saw it with my own eyes -> http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...d.php?t=731996
I'm waiting to hear back from AMD as to what else I can disclose.
In the mean time, I thoroughly believe that the OC elite will take these processors further.
:cheer: Josh :cheer:
Cpu-z refers to "Rated FSB" when the processor is Intel, correct?
If i'm not wrong (and there is no kind of trick, of course), since "HT Link" is shown, it is an AMD processor ?
Just a guess...correct me if i misunderstood..
Beautiful pic imo. :)
Italians would say "perspicace"....:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by felix_w
Looks like it's on!
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Originally Posted by felix_w
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Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Just 20mhz on the HTT would add 620mhz to that...
If it's true - Who cares?! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by spicypixel
I'm just saying, with the multi only being used, there's some room for some HTT tweaking, and with the multi being so high and as long as it budges a bit on the HTT then we're in for some fun to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcbalaban
maybe the memory is unlinked so there's no need to touch the HTT speed?
/wild speculation
In japanese, please ? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by mcbalaban
But this is a retail chip or Extreme Edition without sensors ? Same this:
http://img.chw.net/sitio/breves/200811/26_Intel_EEE.JPG
actually that would make a lot of sense, plus the nb speed is down to 1000.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
HT link is down to 1000mhz the NB speed is independent of that so it could be much much higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by villa1n
Yeah, from what I saw as well as after having a hands on play, I believe we'll see higher frequencies obtained by the OC elite with combinations of lower multipliers (than used by AMD @ the demo) and higher bus frequencies. Here's a snippet from a post I made on OCAU replying to dino on this point:Quote:
Originally Posted by spicypixel
Also on this note, all the media were getting stuck at ~3.9GHz because they were only using multiplier while with a combination of settings I hit 4.1GHz with minimal effort. This further adds weight to the concept that the chips have potential to go further in the hands of experienced overclockers using combinations of settings.Quote:
However, my comment in regards to the extreme clocking regulars doing better is based on the fact that the demonstration was done simply using the multiplier for frequency increases. This meant that the bus frequency was being left to 200MHz and simply multipliers applied at intervals of 0.5x were used for frequency increases.
From my play on the test beds provided (GIGABYTE motherboard and either OCZ Reaper or Corsair Dominator memory with Deneb ES + stock heatsink and rounded out by a HD4870X2) I found it much easier to gain additional CPU frequency by lowering the HTT multi by one and then increasing the HT bus frequency as well as the CPU multiplier.
So in terms of this overclocking information being information that was shown to me or told to me by AMD, it's actually information that was obtained through observation and use - also out of all the media there I was the only one with sub-zero experience/knowledge and therefore a lot of information was obtained just quietly chatting with the guys responsible for the demo both before, during and afterwards. I've got further info like voltages used for what frequencies but that's currently NDA covered - well, the frequencies are but they got up to using 1.95v dropping to 1.936v and didn't go above 2v due to blowing caps on the motherboard (already sent some emails regarding this so hopefully a revision on it's way).
An interesting side note: The maximum multiplier available is currently 48x so there's plenty of multiplier headroom :rofl:
Holy moly! I must resist... not !
Have been waiting these, gonna throw E8500 from window when these arrive.
Holy **** it can go above 2V D:
Surudoi! ( "鋭い！" ) ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by felix_w
can i ask you to confirm again what you stated... you did the oc on stock cooling????:shock2::shock2:Quote:
Originally Posted by moloko
I believe in a lot of things, but I am supposed to believe in that picture? Why?
I mean I am getting Phenom 2 as soon as it comes out no matter what, but how do I know this picture is valid?
Oooo - hoping you can share more with us. Keep us posted! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by moloko
:up: Taj rad :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Because people who were at the event say it is valid?Quote:
Originally Posted by prostoman
Im getting tired of these half ass screen shots with no real proof of anything or any real numbers.
It's AMD, what do you expect? AMD has fewer leaks than a two-person conversation in a sealed room :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GAR
You and me both. If they are gonna market something they oughta at least make it believeable.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
Hehe :)
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Originally Posted by GAR
in about a month or less you guys will get all the believable proof you needQuote:
Originally Posted by T_Flight
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Originally Posted by massman
Something tells me you two know something ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jonspd
too much good speculation has a reputation for hurting AMD, the 4800s are doing great and no one saw it coming
If its anything like the current phenom then HTT overclocking is useless. Performance is identicle between high HTT and high multi oc in my experience. Quite a few people find they overclock higher using just the multi. High multi + high nb clocks > HTT any day of the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by spicypixel
I can't wait for one of these! Very happy with my current phenom, I'm really hopin for 4ghz+ on water :)
That's great. These chopped up unverified images are making them look bad. It's just not a professional way to do things. Either post some shots or not, but posting the corner of an unverified CPU-z screen? Nobody does stuff like that. If I did that here I'd be laughed right off here...heck, my screen would probably get reported and removed, and I'd deserve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonspd
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Originally Posted by GAR
Just 'speculation', is it because you just got a new expensive i7?:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Flight
With so many independend people confirming the happening Im seriously wondering what a validation, which does not fit the NDA, is worth. It would be like a million times easier to get a fake validation out than to get the entire press room confirm this happening:shrug: Also knowing AMD's situation, bribing the press room doesnt seem like a serious option there:rolleyes:
I doubt that, for some folks proof of failure is all they are looking for. :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by jonspd
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Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
Give me a break. I've ran AMD's before, I don't have Intel fanboi statements or AMD fanboi statements in my sig. Before, I was actually looking forward to info about these. I figured by now there would be something, or at least a controlled leak or something, but now it's making people wonder. If the NDA is that tight then where did this come from?
A teaser from AMD?To make you reconsider your upgrading plans,since the chip launches in a month?If it OCs great,is faster than PhenomI(which is not that far behind Kenstfield,~5% on average),is cool running even overvolted and OCed,can sustain healthy Vcore increases,tolerates a wide range of temps.(~ -200,+100) and has a platform cost quite beneath that of core i7,why wouldn't you reconsider your plans?Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Flight
I do understand skepticism,but we actually have members here at XS who were there and seen the chips run at those speeds.The launch is in a month,and if AMD was BSing us it won't be that hard to realize,would it?
Also considering that they are showing off the stuff Today and Monday again, I wouldn't BS people over and over again. They basically repeat the closed show-offs for some known people(OC'ers, and few lucky random XSF(! :)) people.)
don't forget the really cheap tri channel mem kitsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
Let's hope it's not just clockspeeds but that it performs too... not like the Celerons in the days.. those were fun to clock yet performed pretty poorly (comparing clock/performance)
It's hard to not already jump on the I7 train, I will have to resist a few more months before this baby sees the daylight... bring it on benchers !!
At this point I think it obvious PII is exactly what has leaked.
When people who were there confirm it... It's time to accept imo.
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Originally Posted by mcbalaban
They would not hold the new show-offs for people and let them actually OC the CPU's themselves if they were not confident with what they have got under their belts.
...obviously Macci is there as well... :drool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
Inq reports PhII will reach US and Europe stores before the 21st of Dec.
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Phenom II available ‘fore Yule
The real thing
By Paul Taylor: Friday, 05 December 2008, 6:12 PM
DISTRIBUTORS IN EUROPE and North America will begin shipping both OEM and retail boxes of the Phenom II 920 and Phenom II 940 starting December 18th (Europe), according to one distributor, and December 20th (North America).
The Phenom II X4 920 SKU will sell at about $235 to retailers, while the overclocking whiz-kid, the Phenom II X4 940 will ship at $275. At least one distributor says December 20th is the ETA for the shipment.
As far as we can tell, pricing in Europe will be around €220 for the 920 but will become available from the 18th. We couldn’t get a pricing on the 940, though, but we’d expect it to be in the €250-265 range. Add tax to these numbers, if you will.
This puts the Phenom II X4 940 just under the Core 2 Quad 9550, while the Phenom II X4 920 will undercut the Q9400. Expect Intel to slash prices just before Christmas.
So those of you who wrote letters to Saint Nick asking for Phenom II, might get your wishes after all.
We couldn’t get hold of AMD for a comment, but there isn’t much to comment, is there? Wonder how that January 8 NDA will hold up when these things reach the market? µ
LOL, Retail Phenom II gonna come packaged with NDA inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Wow. One surprise after another...however it's the Inq. I'd like to hear confirmation from a non-Inq. source about that. Also how's the mobo situation? Are Asus/Gigabyte/DFI ready with solutions already?
Didn't Rammsteiner mention in another thread that he received a email or something which stated that his pre-ordered 940 ships the18th? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mav451
Though, I wouldn't be surprised if FUDzilla used his post as a base for that "news". :ROTF:
I think it was Rammsteiner (correct me if I am wrong) who said he received a letter saying his preorder would be filled on Dec. 18th.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mav451
EDIT: Doh! beat me to it Calmatory
Wow :D Looks like AMD have the momentum train well in excess of full speed. lol Who says AMD have no marketing? This is flatout brilliant stuff. If this news is true, their gonna need a heck of a stock pile, cuz it looks to me like these things are going to sell like boats to shipwrecked islanders.
Well this throws my plans into the wind, I was going to get i7, but if they are that close I might aswell wait till after December to buy.
Damn it, my builds been on hold so long :(
I am quite sure Deneb is no match for i7. I mean, 4 GHz Deneb gets outperformed by some 3.4 GHz i7. :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3
Depending on what you are using it for. THat isn't across the board. Games for example, i7 really isn't much better than previous gen stuff IIRC, so if that is what you are building your PC for I'd not get i7 and save all that money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
Yeah, but even still i7 is faster than a Deneb. Especially in future when more and more threads can be utilized for certain tasks. E.g. games like SupCom could have nice gains with i7 over Deneb/C2Q.Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
Then again, for games, Deneb @ 4.2 GHz(Be it high-end air or wc, besides anything from 3,6 GHz is enough) = cool, cheap and fast enough when compared to performance-wise equivalent i7 platform.
I only game here and there, mostly I want a small rendering monster, so far it looks that i7 might be best then.
However, it all depends on price/performance. I'll try and wait for Deneb, "try" :P
Im preodering 940 from Germany as soon as it's available and throwing my MF2 and E8500 out in to the snow. But what is the best board for it,? The DFI GX or FX with SB750? Or Should I just get the DFI junior for the time being until something new and interresting arrives?:shrug:
No one else calling BS on this? Remember when Phenom was supposed to be capable of 4 Ghz on air in Q107. :lol:
this time it's different, back then it was only few sources and almost no press events by amd, this time they made huge efforts to promote the overclockability and ALOT of reliable users on this forum agree that deneb will be FAR more impressive than agenaQuote:
Originally Posted by frankR
OMG, Yes AMD created a Hacked CPUZ then invited all the well know press to come view this new hacked CPUZ. Then they threatend harm to there families if they did not report on this being real. Then they shipped out some ES CPU's and a copy of there hacked CPUZ along with$100,000 usd to well know review sites to make up fake CPUZ Screen shots and tell us how great PHII is. Now after all that they are going to show there hacked fake OC's to tons of Techies in SF, Chicago, and Boston and send them home to tell us all piles of lies...................................and they are doing all this because It will help them as a company. Yep thats it.Quote:
Originally Posted by frankR
PS. that was not realy directed at you frankR tho I quoted you. It was just in general to all the skepticism. so please take no offense
PSS. I hear now that this super hacked CPUZ is now being held in a High security vault somewhere deep below Area51.
Expecting an engineering sample very soon...Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
AHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAA! :rofl::ROTF::rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by G0ldBr1ck
For real tho, AMD did fall short with PHI but this time there are just to many reliable sources out there telling us the same things.
So honestly, what's the reason for the secrecy? Why hide when you have nothing to hide? The last 3 times the they hid, the results sucked. So please don't act as if folks aren't justified in being just a little skeptical.:p: The reasons you gave didn't stop AMD from doing just that the last 3 times:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by G0ldBr1ck
AM2 (will give advantages to AMD over Intel with DDR2)
4X4 (unmatched by anything Intel has or will have for the next 3 years)
Phenom (3GHz Native Quadcore that will be faster than Intel's MCM)
All touted as Intel killers:rofl: Call me whatever but I don't trust AMD, Intel or any of the rest:rolleyes: PR stunts that send folks dancing in the isles are laughable at best.
Bud's in Germany are the ones who got me looking at buying a Phenom II. It would be kind of Lame to buy from Intel or AMD according to their PR and etc... :rofl:
agreed but we are talking about Clock speed and not so much about IPC. The clock speeds have been confirmed by many many sources. and the few that have there own PHII to test have been confirming the air cooling capabilities right inline with what AMD told us. I dont trust any company on there word of there product but I do trust those who have confirmed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Its quite different this time around.
well having a longer time on DDR2 sure helps make a northerbirdgeQuote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
4x4 became unsupported buy Asus so AMD had to scrap it it suppose to be able to use 2 opteron 2350. MSI was going to go with it in fanst8 but Amd scraped that one too.
never said it would be a killer at all, they all said MAYBE an intel killer, that was speculation anyways.
If they are hiding, why are they showing the tech for the chosen few? E.g. Another event today. Then yet another event in Monday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
My guess: They want to keep the hype up. Instead of blasting it all out right now, they want people to talk about their upcoming product line as much as possible before the release. If they blasted it all out right now, people would forget all of it in few weeks, resulting in less hype during the launch and possibly less sales. Now, if they keep leaking info, it will keep people interested and to speculate about it and more people will be aware. Possibly higher sales for same product.
Actually, I'd expect the bomb to fall down before the launch. What would it be, I have no clue. Possibly about the air OC, the temperatures and voltages. Possibly about the speed with some AMD records broken and coming right behind Intel records.
Actually, people are possibly getting the CPU's before the 24th, so Christmas sales are not no-no either. Conspiracy theory: AMD silently told the resellers to start ship Denebs to get piece of the Christmas cake, falling the bomb before the 18th.
At least it is interesting to see how Deneb turns out to be. Looking good so far. :)
The last thing they hid was the 4800 series. So that kinda blows your little theory up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
I would love it if this was true (seems to be). All this does is lower prices on i7 chips which inturn lowers prices on amd chips. Then I come in and upgrade without spending a buttload ;)
Btw first post from my iPhone, god it's pimp!
I was waiting for someone to bring that up,took you people long enough :D.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMojoZ
RV770 was speculated to be a dud(due to much contradicting info and FUD) and *no way* a competitor to mighty GT200,*m a y b e* a competitor to 8800 series.We all know how that theory turned up and how "Nvidia dominated throughout 2008"(as one prophet from XS news predicted).
I couldn't have said it better, price war!Quote:
Originally Posted by takamishanoku
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Originally Posted by Donnie27
Yeah... but this time it's not AMD making the claims, it's the pro overclockers who are attending these events (along with respected journalists and the likes of OCZ's Tony).
AMD have been very smart with these controlled leaks/teasers imo.
Bloody crap!!! Since when Macci (THE LEGEND and one of the nicest guys in this community) and some of the most trusted peeps on XS became questionable persons???
I for one am sick of those newcomers dragging down some of the most respected people here like they are just a bunch of liars/fakers.
You know this marketing approach was championed by early snowboard manufacturers and some skateboard shoe makers (Airway etc). It is guerilla marketing at its heart. Use respected practioners to spread "THE WORD" about a new "unique" product. Build the buzz and legitimacy, then BAM hit 'em with an early release with killer prices. If it is BS you kill your brand, if the word on the street is true, you make a killing on initial sales.
and at the buying season of the year....
I think one should separate the quite different GPU culture that ATI brought into the company compared to the existing CPU culture.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMojoZ
With Phenom II, we will see if AMD has changed their CPU culture here or if it is just inherently untrustworthy.
New CEO might have quite an impact on stuff like this during the times for AMD like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad Boga
I still see no reason to show off to known OC'ers and known members of the whole OC community and then fool the rest of the world. They just lose the last drips of their reliability due to it. They seem confident, and for a reason.
As folks like to point! All those folks were shown an easy to overclock to 3GHz Phenom 1 as well. How many of the first ones overclocked that high? AMD shouldn't have to "tell" you anything. YOU should be telling US what they are doing and that's my point. Paper Launches and teasers suck IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by G0ldBr1ck
None of the NDA Crap-O-La matters if there is nothing to hide. Here's the kicker, I trust the guys ( a few German Lads) telling there's nothing to hide so it is kind of Lame to me. It's like much to do about nothing. What AMD is doing isn't going to slow or stop folks from buying Nehalem. Many will just say more of the same from AMD. Some folks (NOT ME) will take this as a bad sign!
Last thing here, Phenom II has to ONLY beat Intel at some things. If it is slightly slower performance wise but runs cooler, costs less and etc... AMD will do OK with them. More than just AMD fans will buy them:up:
What you said makes sense, so let's hope it is indeed the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
AMD is the one holding NDA's over folks' heads though. Shouldn't they be pulling a Conroe type Barrage on at least THIS MARKET? Some folks defending this can't have it both ways. Hold your info close to the vest but tease to create doubt about the competitor's products:rofl: They're out, selling, and there's nothing to estimate.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Cyph3r
NDA may lift on december 14, justa a week to wait maybe :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
http://www.techpowerup.com/78013/Phe...e_Done_It.html
Event today 5th in San Fran., Another event in Chicago on Monday 8th, another one on the Friday 12th, NDA to lift 14th, rumours regarding that new Phenoms might start shipping before Christmas(possibly 18th/20th, edit: wrong dates.)? This starts to make sense. ;)
I wonder if that NDA is for, and only for X2's, providing it's accurate.
X2's? :| Please elaborate.Quote:
Originally Posted by flippin_waffles
I'm talking about the X2 7750.
Then this will be a very, VERY GOOD thing indeed!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by AbelJemka
One other problem. You ain't gettin' nothing in via UPS, USPS or FedEX that close to Xmas=P Everything is clogged up shipping wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
Oh don't rain on the party :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
But yeah, it is true things will be slow.
Silly question, but if PH2 ships early, will that mean that AM3 will ship earlier also?
I'd prefer to get an AM3 mobo and DDR3 to getting an 940 then dropping it for a 945.
I wouldnt expect any early shipping of both. Counting on the time of a random store is...not exactly the right way ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3
AMD says january 8th. Site reviews however might be sooner. But for a 945 you gonna wait till april.
Posted in the AMD section by an XS member who was at the AMD event yesterday:
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Originally Posted by bldegle2
so the 6ghz cpu was handpicked after all.
anyway 4ghz sounds good on stock air cooling, keep it coming. :up:
I assume you have to handle and take the CPU you are going to test with your hands.. unless you have a robot doing it for you ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
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Originally Posted by Sampsa