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by accident on the same day as shanghai launch :cool: no news on TDP range yet
Xeon 5500 model Cores Price in dollars (1000)
W5580 3,2Ghz 4 1600,-
X5570 2,93GHz 4 1386,-
X5560 2,8GHz 4 1172,-
X5550 2,66GHz 4 958,-
E5540 2,53GHz 4 744,-
E5530 2,4GHz 4 530,-
E5520 2,26GHz 4 373,-
E5506 2,13GHz 4 266,-
E5504 2GHz 4 224,-
E5502 onbekend 2 188,-
Xeon 3500 Cores price dollars (1000)
W3570 4 999,-
W3540 4 562 ,-
W3520 4 284,-
W= 130W, X=120W, E=80W, L=50W
Asfar as I recall.
lets complain about power consumption, shall we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
i better start thread digging where you are complaing about 130w and 120w versions of AMD's quadcore :rofl:
prices looks decent btw, i thought intel would ask more money for nehalems
Remember the difference on TDP and actual consumption. Plus the turbo mode. 3.2Ghz=3.46ghz etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bellisimo
But ye, If it was to me. There would only be sold low and ultra low voltage chips. But im also a treehugger. And yes, I hated the prescott and forward P4 and I didnt buy 65nm quads.
The L5430 would be the fastest CPU if I had anything to say ;)
So the turbo will be a server feature too?Hmm that's interesting.
dont look decent to me lol..
itll be a year before i go to nehalem. :(
The 3500 series is like the current i7 in speeds btw.
do the servers use Turbo mode too? If not, I wonder why the TDP is as high as it is for some of those.
Any word how nehalem does in virtualization? Looks like this is where it will be playing catch up with shanghai the most.
I asked the same question but intel pr didn't bother to answer it :).
I was half expecting Intel to leak a few results today to do a bit of thunder stealing.
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Originally Posted by informal
Weee..... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Woooo..... :rolleyes:Quote:
Remember the difference on TDP and actual consumption. Plus the turbo mode. 3.2Ghz=3.46ghz etc.
LOL man i actually spoke of a real pr,as in "i emailed them",not you...
Funny you recognized yourself in my post,so you are really an intel PR for Denmark then?? omg... :confused:
looks ok for the W5580 (comparable w/ current prices) I'm way more interested in the MB layout and if they're going to use the dual tylersburg-36d chips for more pcie channels. I've been praying for a decent board with 16x,8x,8x,16x,8x,8x for a while now!
duploxxx,any news of motherboard availability for 2P and prices?
Maybe it is nice to credit the original source of this information, but I'll save you the hassle:
This is where you got it from, as can be seen by the word "onbekend":
http://tweakers.net/nieuws/56756/mee...erschenen.html
And they got it from Digitimes:
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20081112PD218.html
Well as said the prices are not bad. The speeds are though. When are we ever gonna see a 4Ghz chip??? It's not like it is impossible, people on this site prove that every day.
4Ghz combined with reliability, working in all situations, amount of errors, degration, yields etc. Nopes...Quote:
Originally Posted by Katanai
Thats why.
I hope so, this feature would be really, really sweet for servers, worksation users and others who do not overclock. Almost free performance gain.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryboto
What about price drops for harpers and other 45nm xeons?
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Originally Posted by Shintai
4Ghz combined with reliability, working in all situations, amount of errors, degration,. Yes. My main system runs at that speed and I have not seen any issues at all.
You cant compare user "validation" with real validation for servers, your oced 4ghz would fail server validation for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Katanai
Try with 5million systems and it needs to be aircooled with a relatively cheap and light solution. it also needs to last atleast 25 years. And it needs to work also when you are in africa, india etc in 45C outside. It needs to be within regulations for radiation and interference etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Katanai
nope, all i know is when i will have my OEM created config for testing. no word yet on pricing.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
And yes my focus is on testing nehalem virtualization against shanghai, knowing that you can't use HT and turbo mode in a virtual environment it will be nice to see the core enhancements. Since the npt and rvi are already in there second life now with amd, while intel needs to get it out for the first time with nehalem. But nehalem has the added value of more memory channels but slower l3 cache according to anandtech.
4p intel nehalem is a different thing, it will be a huge leap forward for intel comparing against there own product.
W3520 for me, 'i7 920' is such a silly name.
Yes, really, I'm waiting for it because of the name. I get to nitpick when the CPU costs €250< :p:
Any word on the motherboard options? looking at the current price of the sp boards it might be worth building a dp system if they offer some mild oc options. Any clues about chipset and ram used?
I know that :) but still my point is that it's not impossible with current tech. If they wanted it, they could do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Its not technical impossible. But its is economic impossible so to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Katanai
I keep waiting for a 4Ghz Quad too and it sh1ts me to tears that it ain't out yet or likely probably before 32nm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Katanai
I dont think 32nm will give you 4Ghz. Unless there are radical architecture changes. Aka Netburst 2.0Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad Boga
So will they require new FB-DIMMs based on DDR3?
Any word on pricing on that?
Will there be an equivalent to the 5100 chipset that uses regular registered memory?
Turbo mode in servers seems hard to validate though. I thought Turbo mode was a dynamic feature, and the amount of clock increase is unique to each chip? How could you validate systems with such a dynamic variable?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacky
The power management chip the size of a 486 is the key.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryboto
Regular DDR3.Quote:
Originally Posted by uOpt
For Nehalem, at least Bloomfield/Gainestown, they are pretty much red-headed twins. 'X58' (Tylersburg, notice the -burg ending, meaning workstation/server) is the same chipset being used for both high-end desktop, workstation and dual-socket server boards. The only difference between Bloomfield and Gainestown is 1 or 2 QPI links.
'Serious' boards will be much closer to their desktop cousins this time around, using regular DDR3 (although ECC is recommended if you use it for anything that matters) and the same socket.
what he said, exact same platform as the core i7 stuff. Only difference is on X58 one of the QPI links on the chipset has been disabled. The same difference between Bloomfield and Gainestown.Quote:
Originally Posted by bowman
That also means if a motherboard manufacturer were so inclined, they could add all of the exact same tweaking options that any of the high end X58 motherboards have out now.
from Tom's a while back
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/int...2009,6384.html
Nice! Looks like the takeover of the server Market is well under way. If this depression we're in ever turns around I might have to get my hands on Intel stock, as it's about to go to the moon.
Shame one will have to go down to the 2.13GHz EP SKU in order to be able to stomach a dual-socket setup.. (scratch that, that's a dual-core apparently or one with a gimped L3, so the $300+ one then) I wonder what the baseclock/multiplier relation is there. Probably 133MHz as well and a very low (for Nehalem) multiplier?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
You might take a look at the new Opterons...Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Flight
I'm interested in how those workstation processors will work in X58 boards.
Same as i7..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobsama
Q9450 -> X3350
Q9550 -> X3360
Q9650 -> X3370
i7 965 -> W3570 (except not unlocked multiplier)
i7 940 -> W3540
i7 920 -> W3520
They're just rebranded.
That's just ridiculous if true, a 1600$ CPU without unlocked multi? I know most workstation users do not overclock anyway, but it would be strange nonetheless.Quote:
Originally Posted by bowman
ryboto, turbo-mode is not that hard to validate, but HT is a btich probably.
I'm sure Intel could release and may yet do, i7 @ 3.6Ghz, so I don't know why you would think 32nm wouldn't be able to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Perhaps not a 6 core Westmere, but just as there will be Dual Core Nelly's, I would suspect we will have 4 core Westmere's.
Well, no, a $1000 locked CPU. 3xxx are single-socket. 5xxx are the dual-socket puppies.. For reference, go and look at what the 3.2GHz Harpertowns cost right now. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jacky
The 2 socket chips don't have the "max" TDP anymore, which means no turbo mode?
Not that any servers use it anyway, lol.
Don't think of all dual socket boards as servers..Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
Think workstations and some of them can clock pretty well, even on stock volts on air!:D
Yes I know, but I have a feeling that this will be hacky. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
I might be interested in 2 of the E55XXs if
i) They can be used on Skulltrail
ii) They rock in Maxwell Render (we'll know soon)
iii) My brother actually lives up to his promise and pays me ~250 smackers per month :rofl:
So the Gainestown does the rendering, and the Deneb works as the creative (mostly gaming) unit. Harmony and paychecks for both!
Only Tylersburg-based 'Skulltrail 2', obviously. When/if that arrives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
In any case it should be easier for ASUS etc this time to make a proper enthusiast dualsocket board, given that it's the same chip.
My only fear is that they limit ST to the $999 XE CPU, and Xeons are barred. Although if they don't, they have me as an immediate customer.
I can wait, my money's not arriving that soon anyway.
Regular DP Xeons worked on the first Skulltrail, so why not this one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
Anyway, whatever ASUS and co. cook up in terms of Tylersburg-DP will probably be a better dualsocket enthusiast platform than Intel reference designs so I wouldn't worry about it.
Aren't all the 3 and 3.2ghz Harpers unlocked? X5482 as in eXtreme (=unlocked)?Quote:
Originally Posted by bowman
They could also release all of their CPUs either undervolted or overclocked, giving us 4ghz 45nm penryn dual cores, but Intel is probably not keen on losing another billion in profits...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad Boga
What for? We know nehalem will destroy them in a lot of benchmarks, but we do not know the margin of victory yet. A single socket Nehalem scores ~80% of a 2P shanghai set-up in specfp_rate & int.Quote:
Originally Posted by nullface
What does your incoherent nonsense have to do with the prospect of a 4Ghz Quad product by Intel sometime during the period they are manufacturing CPU's on 32nm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacky
No Xeons are unlocked. Nor any reason to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacky
No, They could not make 4Ghz. You simply lack any understanding of the subject.
965 i7 with fast memory is faster than 2P shanghai in rates benches. Its all about memory. Replace the 1066 with 1600. Or maybe even 2000.
Please refrain from further ad hominem, thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad Boga
32nm is just one single node from 45nm, the transition from 65nm to 45nm allowed 200-400mhz better clocks at the same margins/yields I guess. Now you can do the math with Nehalem (3.2ghz), plus you have a not-so competetive AMD, so what's their motivation to release such a CPU?
They can do it, but they won't.
Shintai explained the same issue to another user expecting, 4ghz at 45nm, it's close to impossible on 45nm and very, very unlikely at 32nm.
I expect 4ghz with turbo mode on for 32nm products, if we're lucky. Do you need to insult me, because I have an opinion?
It's funny that you didn't get that I support your line of thinking with my post, I just used an extreme example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Certainly they could do it, it's physically possible. It just wouldn't pay off or even ruin them, low yields, extremely high RMA rates due to failure.
I'm pretty sure that money and yields is more of an issue than anything else. Whether undervolted or overclocked processors could run for years without failure is difficult to say, neither of us has that much insight into Intel's process.
And tbh your post is also close to an ad hominem, not as bad as Chad's, but why can't we be more civil? You do not need to assume that everyone is clueless in the first place...
Lets be honest here. Intel or AMD for that matter could most likely make 5Ghz CPUs that all will last 25 years. But you would pay 10million$ a pcs.
Just because you can OC to 4Ghz. Doesnt mean you can do it in mass production. Nor with quality in mind either. Or economicly viable for that matter. All the errors your CPU does at 4Ghz you dont really see. Or even in the worst cases you just blame drivers, Windows, the game etc.
Not even to talk about failed EM standards etc.
Will these EP CPUs work on the P6T mobo?
They might be the same CPU socket, but they support FB-DIMM DDR3, so I'm not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tutto
Most likely not, though. Still, the server boards will only be moderately more expensive since X58 1CPU ends at the 400USD spectrum.
Dualsocket doesnt support FB-DIMM. Only quad socket+Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
They should be able to work. But ofcourse might be BIOS issues etc. And it doesnt make sense to buy a more enpensive dualsocket CPU for a single socket. But the 3500 series Xeon instead then.
Yes, they will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tutto
I have played w/ 6 Gainstowns and every last one of them booted and ran perfectly fine in the P6T (even on the initial BIOS release).
Overclocking, however, SUCKS on these chips b/c the QPI is cranked so high on them by default. A 2.4GHz Gainstown maxes out at a 3.2GHz overclock b/c QPI hits 4GHz (and there are no options to clock down the QPI, since they are locked chips).