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Sorry if this is old news.
Apparently www.martinsliquidlab.com is linking me to www.skinneelabs.com (with naught but a tantalizing banner!!:p:). Is there a mirror for Martin's reviews anywhere, or will they be archived on Skinnee's site once it's up and running?
Holy crap! Sorry to see you go Martin.
Skinnee has some big shoes to fill.
Let me know if I can help.
:eek:
I just went looking for Martin's site, saw that and came running back here to cry about it! :(
Kibbler beat me to it though.
Is there any way we can keep martin's site up? At least archive his review pages? That stuff was invaluable, the most thorough testing i've seen.:yepp:
I've donated a few times, but obviously there wasn't enough coming in to cover the costs. :shrug:
Yeah that's my concern. If it's an issue of web-hosting costs then we can try to raise funds on XS. If it's a matter of Martin's personal choice to shut it down, and rightfully, deservedly so, then I hope his reviews and data will be archived somewhere at least (skinneelabs.com?). His body of work and analysis is invaluable.
Same story here (infact I was in the middle of making a thread when Kibbler's popped up)...Quote:
Originally Posted by twwen2
It's sad to see it disappear :shakes: but I understand. It was popular (even tomshardware users were talking about it) and definately a valuable resource. I just hope that we can gain access to it one more time so we are able to save EVERYTHING (I only have some stuff). :up:
Webhosting isn't that expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by twwen2
How much bandwith does his site consume?
Must be another reason!
Some of the info can still be found here.
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://...sliquidlab.com
Well it looks like Skinnee has updated the site a bit - looks like Martin caught him with his pants down....:ROTF::ROTF::ROTF:
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Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Looks like the wayback didn't really record much,.
Really? What do you see? All I can see is a 'skinnee labs' banner :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dangals
Pants down...I can't even find my pants at the moment. :rofl:
I'm still in a bit of a shock over all of this as well, so please be patient with me.
Folks, I did get the site up for the time being. As for a mirror, well that is not in my hands.
by "pants down" perhaps he was referring to that curious dollop of white "goo" on that CPU, that's the first thing that caught me eye in that banner :rofl:
No rush man we patiently await your progress.
What the..
Sorry guys, I just had to pull the plug.
I've had a good time learning and sharing the results. As with any testing there is always inherent errors involved, I'm not perfect and neither is any one test. As I mentioned before, I'm the type of person that sort of hops from one hobby to another. Four years ago, I was spending every last moment on dpreview.com in the 300D forums learning about photography. Four years before that I was breathing streetbikes and ran serveral streetbike websites including forums. I generally get very focused on one thing and live, eat, and breath that one thing until I am done. I've been at the "Done" phase with watercooling testing for a while now, unfortunately I've managed to get quite a backlog of parts to review, to the point where I had several months worth of work to do. To make matters worse, some of the vendors continued to send me parts many times I didn't even know they were coming. Sounds like a dream come true for you guys, but it became this never ending nightmare for me and I just wanted it to end.
In addition I began to start looking at the reviews and testing and data I've collected and wondered what good it was really doing. To me, it's alot more fun seeing everyone test and share their results in this forum. Then...yesterday I received email notice from my website host that my domain will expire soon, I had been planning to get out of this for a while now, so I figured it was a good time. Christmas is coming up, and I'm ready to focus on some different stuff...just part of that transitioning of hobbies I do along with most people I know.
I'm not vanishing anywhere, but I've decided in order to make testing fun and recreational for me again, I just need to loose the weight of the website. It just becomes enough hassle that it feels like work for me, and I don't want anything to do with that anymore.
So in the end, I encourage you all to test and share your results here. Fill the forum full of your own results and have fun with it!..Many people have been do so, so carry on with it!:up:
I'll add a couple of website links to the page for more forwarding options.:)
@ Martinm210
Yeah yeah yeah
The truth is all the testing is getting in the way of your pron viewing :D :p:
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Respect!Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
Nothing but respect.:yepp:
Where to now Martin? Have you got any idea what will take your fancy next?
Who's got some suggestions for Martin's new hobby?;)
- Fishing
- Sailing
- Painting maybe...?
:ROTF:
How DID you know?Quote:
Originally Posted by Digz
Bomp bomp...bomp bow wow!!!
I better shut the curtains next time...:ROTF:
Is there any way to access all your past reviews and the such?
It was all very interesting stuff, and invaluable to the community.
Aircooling :p::hrhr:Quote:
Originally Posted by twwen2
dayam martin,
that means i have no where to point to when i want to keep rubbing it in that i was right on something. :rofl:
Actually, I'm thinking of getting my lazy but back into shape again and spending my mental energy at work again. All this woodcutting this fall and my recent less than stellar health screening at work has presented a need to get more active again and I'm motivated to do that. I've always enjoyed weight training and have been getting back into that again.Quote:
Originally Posted by twwen2
I have a pretty good job that's actually pretty interesting. I'm also fortunate enough that I can remote in to my work computer from here at home and do my normal highway design stuff. It's interesting stuff, and I'm faced with challenging problems to solve pretty much all the time. Working on some interchange realignment type projects right now...good stuff!
Otherwise, just going to spend more time with the kids. My son is now 5 years old and my daughter just turned 2. That's a full time deal on it's own...:D
Nope, it's gone. My domain will soon expire, and I'm keeping it all to myself. If you have a question, test it and post your results here. Part of my "Testing Stimulus" package..:DQuote:
Originally Posted by aspire.comptech
Man, I know...but carry on with the goodness. I was still surprised to confirm the block orientation issues, and that carried on to alot more than just one block...interesting stuff!:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Will you keep the Flow spreadsheet available at the very least? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
Sure, here is the latest version I had updated. I couldn't attach it in the forums here because it's over the attachment limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by aspire.comptech
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooli...et-v1-7-a.html
I'm not planning to continue updating it though, but feel free to do so....it's nothing more than an excel spreadsheet, and I'd have no issue with someone wanting to carry on it's development, just call it something else..:up:
Sounds great Martin. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
You're a class act my man and have been a huge inspiration to me.
Cheers to you Sir! :toast:
Gosh, I've been away for a few months, but trying to catch up this past week. Fortunately, I caught a few of Martin's recent reviews in the last couple of days. Thanks so much for all the great work, and enjoy some well-deserved time with your kids and new interests.
I'm sure there are many who will celebrate your disappearance.
Namely the companies that want to release sup-par products and not have anyone call them on it.
Your testing will be missed, and I will always treasure my hand made Martin elbows and tees.
well martin I was looking to give you maybe a parting gift but no donation button anymore :\
I'll miss your testing. After this summer I will invest in some testing equipment just checked out ebay for some of the those meters, but as of now all extra capitol is going into my new build.
And I'm sure a few who lament it as well, namely those who lose a voice trusted by the community to give good marks to a genuinely good product.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linus@ncix
Thanks for your work, Martin!
You'll be remembered for the great work done Mart
Lets hope many will rise up to fill your shoes
Thanks, shame that everything is gone but it's understandable. Good luck to Skinnee, you've got a hell of a job in front of you. :p:
Be sure to check back every once in a while Martin, you're one of the nicest people around here, would be a real shame to lose you completely.
the only problem with this "Testing Stimulus" package is your work was reliable and consistent. As a whole, this community isn't either of these things.
I'm not questioning your motivation for a second, I've a similar hobby cycle, but I fear by removing all your work from the public domain, another slice of professionalism is gone. We've gone from people making their own blocks, etc, to people testing other peoples blocks, to people just accepting blocks, etc, for what they are.
I watched procooling demise, lets hope this place doesn't follow
Martin, I'm sad to see the site go, even while I did only read it just to keep up. It will be a great loss to the community and I would have hoped you had kept your reviews so another community member could mirror your work to preserve it for the ages. Your reviews might not get updated, but compare the info at your former site to the info most forums have in their wc section, your work is atleast as up to date as them ( ... ehm most actually link to or discuss your findings ).
I'm not the one I think capable of persuading you to give skinnee or anyone else a proper backup of your reviews, so I'll keep feeling sad for the loss of such a wealth of information :(
it's a real loss. Such a wealth of information...
It's not too long ago that I first came across martinsliquidlab and I'm really glad I did before it went down. But whether backups of the data will ever show up somewhere else or not, I think Martin's testing will have long lasting effects for the community. I completely changed the way I do my testing after I saw how Martin did it. My test results went from vague and sometimes inaccurate to real, reproducable and (I hope) relevant.
I'm sure I'm not the only one to be inspired by Martin's testing like that. In short, Martin kicked the standards for testing up a notch (or several notches) and that is a great contribution.
I'm also sad to see that info gone. That info helped me get into watercooling, and if it hadn't been for it, I probably wouldn't have. I had saved links to many of his reviews because my new system and waterloop was literally designed around those tests. I had a word doc with URL's saved so I could refer back to it. It's a great loss to the community and to me personally as well.
I also feel for Martin, and know precisely where he is coming from. When a hobby turns into work it's not a hobby anymore, and familiy has to come first. I've been involved with hobbies myself where I was supported by companies, and it's very difficult sometimes. I know about the testing, because I've done it. Not with watercooling, but with batteries. I did love it, but I had to put in my 2 weeks notice so to speak. I explained to them why I had to take a break for awhile, and those companies are still with me today. I do help them out every once in awhile too. It's limited though.
I find it admirable that Martin loves his children, and wants to spend more time with. I also find it admirable that he wants to stay healthy and workout. Kids when they are growing up are priceless.
Martin, if you read this, I just want you to know that your info was valued, and appreciated. It will be missed. I hope you stick around the forums to give people like me and others guidelines. I do hope that you spend time with your family though, and do what you want to to enjoy life. You have brought people into this hobby, and I'm proof. I don't forget things like that either. People who do that kind of dedicated work help others, and it's a nobel thing to do.
Do what you enjoy, but I hope you don't ever become a stranger here. Just come here to hang out and enjoy your computers. You deserve it. :)
It's kinda mixed emotions. I'm sad to see valued info go, but am happy that you are doing what you enjoy.
Thanx Martin :toast:
Your testing made for some interesting reading, I am lucky to have had the opportunity to learn from your efforts. :up:
thanks martin... good impartial testing for watercooling, with a focus on results, is hard to find...
hope your just giving up the stress of the website and will still be into watercooling... I love to see your "too much rad is nowhere near enough" builds :)
:bows: you've done a great job to the community, i remember first finding ur website i was like WOW! Bookmarked!
PS if only your hosting people knew how much sending out that email would affect soooooo many people :(
thanks for all your work from the past, and good luck whit your new hobby's and stuff :up:
Still taking donations, Martin?
Sad to see you go Martin, just make sure you give all those pages to Skinnee to host on his website in a 'mirror' section!
Damn Martin. Sorry to see the site gone. :(
its Mart's hard work and his data and copyrightsQuote:
Originally Posted by RealRedRaider
I think he has every right to do with them as he deemed fit, lets give him a pat on the back and some encouraging words rather than trying to extract things out of him :cord:
I'm already very glad we at least still have the flow estimator :up:
Very nice words! I really desire the best for you! We all love you and your devotion for your hobbies!Quote:
Originally Posted by twwen2
Relax and do whatever you like most, you are the only judge of your acts ( as long as you dont do illegal/inmoral stuff :P).
Take care of yourself and if you need anything take for granted we will try our best to help you as you did with us :)
Regards
Juan
In the first place, the right thing that should have occurred from the get-go is that none of the testing and none of the data should have been free.
Caveat emptor is the name of the game and its the buyers that outght to place a premium on useful information, and see fit how to spread the info after the info has been paid.
In that way, Martin would have been amply compensated for his reviews and the opportunity cost from his time expended in terms of his wife's home improvement projects, and far more important, his time with his growing children, would at least have been alleviated. However, none of that is my business.
The mantra in XS is that testing is done for the communal good and all that jazz. Its a real honourable goal, but we live, at least I live, in the real world here. All that social good hoopla creates nothing but a culture of parasitic freeloaders. How apt given the political season in the US.
Coming back to my point, Martin should have kept his site fee based form the get go. Now, he has decided that its his intellectual property, and that is his perrogative and certainly honourable. However, I do sense IMO a sudden deviance in terms of underlying philosophy.
If Martin's site was fee-based, no one would appreciate his work. He'd just be another one of those "LOL well you could have found that out on the forums!" sites
If you are talking about his past work, then we will still have that.
If you are talking about him still doing it, he said he doesn't want to.
(faces pointing at paper, giving thumbs up)
I'm sensing a lack off community feeling in two people here :)
That's right. You're Dutch, and given your culture and environment, I dont blame your views. However, free lunches don't exist in the world of hard knocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian
We misunderstand eachother I think.
Communities are what keep people together through shared intrests. I said I sense a lack of it because you're trying to argue that Martin should have asked money for his work. I disagree on that because I feel this community you're a part of (XS) should be about the free sharing of information with like minded people. If you want to earn money, you should just start a site and not come here to talk about it. Martin did because he wanted to share his knowledge and I applaud him for that.
RRR I saw and I give you the :up: for that, my comment was made after reading how you felt it should have been a fee based site ( that was you was it? )
RRR, I understand you don't like me since I commented negatively about you in the past, but don't make this into more then it is.:rolleyes: Come on!Quote:
hate propagation
IanY, do you believe in the spirit of XS?
:am:Quote:
Originally Posted by RealRedRaider
Sorry RRR, wrong assumption there :down: :hitself:
I can certaintly understand Martin's motivations to retire and I'm grateful for his work to improve the testing methodology and to make people more aware about performance of various components.
The only request I would like to see happen is to share the testing methodology so others can reproduce it if they wanted. If a few people get the same tools and can do the same testing methodology, we can continue gathering the knowledge. I'm personnally looking to buy the same King flowmeter as Martin and I will look at the manometer a bit later for my own personnal knowledge.
Beside this, I will repeat but I wanted to thank you, Martin, for the help about the WC knowledge. This is really appreciated and will be remembered for years to come.
If Martin is interested, I have a server that could be used as a mirror for his info, of course, if he wishes to keep all of it up. Just a zip file with the data and pages needed and I'll gladly host it. no cost to anyone, and it'll simply be there as reference info.
That being said, thanks a million for everything Martin. If it wasn't for your exhaustive testings, spreadsheets, time, effort and cash, I'm sure a lot of people would not know what they really have installed. You'll always be a legend, regardless if the site is mirrored or not. It'll at least live on in our heads and in this forum.
This is something I plan on doing with my site. I want to have a place where testers of all sorts can take and contribute to the testing methodology in use. Think of it as a best practices for WC testers section.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xilikon
That's a great idea and it's definitely welcome. My opinion is that if we can share the testing methodology, it's easy to prove or disprove someone's testing results by redoing the testing yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
great offer :) might want to pm martin to make sure he knows about this post :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by luxbel
Communal Spirit? Spirit of XS?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian
Do you need an honest answer or do you want me to butter up the toast for you?
The answer is "No."
And I could care tuppence what anyone thinks of me either. I already have a rather dire reputation as it is, and the sandpaper-like abrasive personality is not a front. I am who I am, and I don't pretend to be whom I am not.
No one has to like me, and I would venture that most people don't. A few people do for whatever their reasons, and I am very honored/honoured. I have a few friends in XS and I am immensely loyal to them, but I still routinely flogged them in public and in PM when I need to, and that especially includes RRR and Naekuh, whom I have more than a few occassions vehemently disagreed with their opinions and choices.
In my business, there is a common saying. "If you want a friend, get a dog."
As for water cooling testing, I have no such inclinations, absolutely no interest and I don't ever intend to test water cooling equipment. I don't buy the equipment that most people in XS buy anyway, so I wouldn't care. All due respect to Martin, I read his reviews with interest because they were publicly available, but I never followed some of his recommendations anyway. Dittos Nikhsub1 and Mcoffey and MaxxxRacer. Naekuh gets more hell from me than you know. Good guys with good intentions, but when I disagree, I just disagree.
If I were ever to undertake any form of testing, it would be only for myself and my eyes. I would share with my small circle of friends, but even then I would tell them to look elsewhere for definitive answers.
I have no intentions to have fee-based subscription for anything on the internet. I have more than enough responsibilities and headaches away from XS: a lot more than I can handle.
Anyway, my point was that Martin should be consistent with his overall position. If he started his site for communal spirit purposes to share his results with the public, then he shouldn't be invoking intellectual property protections right now and not share his past data with the public.
And the quote about "Hate Propagation" was not from me. It was from RRR. Kindly take note and quote properly. It is immensely bad form to misquote and then use that dumb rolling eye icon. It is unwarranted and debasing. I'm not RRR's alter ego, and its not the same dual-personality schizophrenic individual that is posting.
Sorry I didn't take the time to nest the quotes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Me
I agree with the rest of what you're saying, I'm even abit confused about why I doubted your community feeling in the first place. You don't need to be liked, or even care about being liked or not, only requirement for being a community member is to approach another with respect and an open mind. Also I don't dislike you, so idk why you brought that up if it wasn't just in general. I had a few occasions where I wanted to reach into my monitor and pull RRR out off it for a lil 1 one 1, mostly because from the above rules off 'community spirit', he didn't have the respect for conflicting views and that did struck a bad nerve ( what ya expect, I got a KOOLANCE ). But that's some time ago, I still see him posting he pukes on AL, and I let it go because it's his opinion and he isn't trying to shuff it down anyone's throat anymore.
I would just like to throw another offer to host this information for free. I have a series of servers that use over 230,000 Gb per month of bandwidth (1200 Mbps commit) so I'm positive some watercooling spreadsheets are not going to make a dent ;)
I think Martin's intent on removing of his data is to promote the users of XS to produce their own and promote learning. I never got the feeling that money was an issue for the server, he could have easily got it if that was the problem.
What we can do from here is work together and collectively to produce more data. Then we can analyze and scrutinize that data to promote useful discussion. I look forward to the next coming months.
Same feeling myself. It's a thing to understand the testing data but another thing to get spoonfed with results and be content.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueAqua
I don't think that the fact that the data was up there was preventing people from doing their own testing and I don't particularly think we're going to see much change in the matter.
Doing good testing takes money, time, and patience, things a lot of people lack including myself.
+1 This is how I interpreted his post.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueAqua
Not everyone can devote the time, money, and sheer passion into testing products. Not everyone has the proper equipment, or can earn the respect of fellow XS members, or build a positive reputation with companies willing to send products for testing. Martin's earned my respect, and I respect whatever decision he makes, I would just hate to see all his efforts be nothing but a fond memory. Whatever the case may be, we should all just be grateful that Martin once graced us with his knowledge.
:clap:
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Originally Posted by BlueAqua
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Originally Posted by Xilikon
That's what I think Martin was getting at. I do feel it's a shame that he's pulling all the info and keeping it, but it is his data and his to do as he pleases.
Good luck in your future endeavors, one suggestion: If you like the outdoors, you could get into hunting, very peaceful ;) . No wife, no kids, no dogs, no watercooling lol, just the peace and quiet of the outdoors.
wayback machine returns nothing... at least you guys can access this, minus the images....
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...liquidlab.com+
Well Martin I can't say I blame you, I'm actually surprised you stuck it out this long... People don't understand how laborious, tedious and time consuming it all is. I don't understand pulling all of your data, makes no sense to me whatsoever but as has been said, it is yours to do with what you want. There have been offers to host it, and I'll throw out another, I will host it too if you want I've already got a dedicated web server so it is no problem. I've been done testing for a while myself, my test bench is no longer. Anyway, I wish you the best man with whatever your next hobby is.
Sorry, the data is not coming back, let me try and explain my thoughts and decision.
I've shared what I've learned, you've had an opportunity to read through it up until yesterday, my mission of sharing what I've learned is done. I never said I would continue to publish my results in perpetuity. That costs money and frankly I'm not interested in doing that in any form. They are only tests and thoughts, tests by one person, using one particular method, and under one set of conditions. As I've heard before and agree with, there is no one perfect test that you can draw definitive conclusions from for every type of condition and I'm often wrong, and I make mistakes like everyone else. To really understand how anything performs you need a community of people willing to contribute to the cause, not any one person.
I've had to think back and dig deep to understand what it was that inspired me to spend so much time doing something that was over time lost. That core value and inspiration was nothing more than a desire for knowledge and thirst for learning. Even more specific it was the "Lack" of information and "Mystery" that made it so much fun for me. How does this perform, what happens if I do that...etc. There seemed to be much more testing interest in the forums when I first came here, there were alot of people testing and sharing of results, and "THAT" is what I enjoyed most about this place...the discussions about performance and figuring things out. So in some respects a "Lack" of information or data can be a good thing too.
Also, let's face it, performance differences between most of the parts out there is fairly small and insignificant depending on your values. So....over time I began to think perhaps my thought and mission to provide "Good Data" and help users make buying decisions was at the same time working against the incentive for other people to test.
So with that, I've decided the data itself just wasn't worth continuing to hold on to and was counterproductive in the incentives that made this hobby fun for me. There are alot of great testers in these forums and my one wish is for people to quit the bickering and post trolling and start testing and sharing of information.
Water cooling is supposed to be recreational, it's not mandatory, and it's not a perfect science. It took me a while to figure out what it was that made it fun for me, and I did what I needed to do to put the recreation back in it for me. Maybe it'll help mend some of the problems we've had in these forums too.:shrug:
Money has nothing to do with it, it never has. I've always declined offers for advertising and even decline several offers to test and write for other sites. Of coarse there were many times when my wife gave me the evil eye as yet another box of parts arrived at the door, but in context it was a relatively cheap hobby. A couple of hundred bucks in testing gear and time, I can easily spend that in one family weekend. Everyone has always been very generous to me. It has never been about the money, hosting is not key to my decision, I've just simply lost interest testing and continuing to publish the data I've collected.
I just needed a break from it all and that included the website and data that's published. I can now completely relax, and I appreciate your support in that!
Thank you for taking the time to explain your reasoning - your forthrightness as always, is genuinely appreciated. You've set the bar very high, not just with your testing, but also with your integrity and sincere enthusiasm. IMHO, you deserve to do what you choose with your body of work. I'm confident that folks like skinnee will rise to the occasion and perhaps not fill your shoes (I've heard he has small feet), but will continue on the path that you've created.
Cheers. :)
Martins made his case guys. I for one have a sad face on me.
Don't be a stranger here martin.
Anyways...
/... goes off to look at my copy of Martins site, spidercrawled and stored on my PC .. :hehe: ///:)
I'll leave this thread open so well wishers can drop in and say hello-goodbye-whatever. It'll be closed in a few days.
Always good to read your reviews.
Best wishes to you and yours.
Hope to see you chime in here from time to time.:yepp:
Good luck with everything Martin. You only have so much time to spend with the kids, so enjoy the time your given.
Thanks for the explanation. I applaud you for making the decision you believe is the right one as opposed to the decision that would please "the crowd".
Sorry to see it come to this Martin, but I agree with you 100%.
To those that offered server space, I'd doubt you'd want to host his stuff anyway because aside from XS, there are at least 2 E-tailers I know of and IIRC, at least 2 manufacturers that were pointing to Martin's reviews, and I haven't even mentioned all the other forums (ooopps, just did :para:) that caught wind of his site. Needless to say, traffic would be very heavy indeed. ;)
Thx Martin for everything you have done for us :up: :yepp:. Sad to see you quit but I totally understand. As mentioned before don't be a stranger.
Best of luck to you martin, I too will hold on to the custom Tees and elbows you made me for a long time.
No suggestions intended and you're entitled to ask whatever you wish, however untimely (I personally) find itQuote:
Originally Posted by RealRedRaider
:up: for the offerQuote:
Originally Posted by RealRedRaider
@Martin: I can imagine the feeling...from testing and comparing results, to testing and being made to test more. The minute something new shows up, its "send a sample to Martin!!"
Its no longer fun or a hobby if you're the only one doing it...with eager people waiting for results and even more "work" showing up on your door as the fame grows
Alright, last post from me...think I've spoken way too much
@ Martin
All I can say is thank you, you have made your decision so I will respect that.
I am starting my first WC rig, I always use your site as a reference and test it out myself sadly I only bookmarked the site I didn't do any back up but I have read the articles on your site 2 to 3 times maybe that could be a start.
Thank you and wishing you the best in your new endeavors.
Thanks Martin. Do whats right for you, no hard feelings. It's hard to let go of a DIAMOND that sparkled and was free and was pur science, no garbage. Better than 90% of all the science type channels. When the gem wants to go it's own way it hurts, but we have to accept it. I release you to a life of kids and fun.
Thanks, you are smarter than all of us look, at least by our sigs eh? Having Dilbert in yours just always got me, I love his life stories.
Martin - thank you for your work over the years, it will be missed.
Since you decided to scrap your data, the one thing i would request is that you give more information about your testing methodology. I have yet to find anything that really details how you go about testing different components, and what kind of testing equipment is needed to accomplish this. I see people talking about testing this or that, but virtually no information on HOW to go about doing the same.
If you want to encourage others to do testing, pulling information pertaining on how to test and the equipment required makes no sense whatsoever.
thank you for all of you hard work and time.
guys cut martin some slack.
Dude, you dont know how long he's been doing this.
Like scott said im surpised also he stuck out this long.
You should of seen him when he first started. I mailed him a VERY BIG BOX to test. That itself almost made him quit.
Then he did my TEC blocks, which im suprised HE didnt quit after. :rofl:
Here let me show you what i sent him the first round:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0879.jpg
That looks like a lot now, but if you think about how long he's been doing this, and all the reviews he's done, that list there is absolutely nothing.
Martin u pull a houdini on me, i know where you live. :rofl:
Seriously stay around and just be active in chatting, lay low on the testing if your stressed out.
I value our friendship, and id hate for you to disappear.
Plus i know your dying to see how im gonna get bei fei to do hera and eva chan's full board blocks. :rofl:
Yes i got him to commit to it. :rofl:
First board to roll out fc block bei fei style will be the asus p6T. :up:
sorry to see you leave martin, the information on your site was nothing short of phenomenal, and I have to say you really did seem like one of the old school guys who didn't bicker and just looked at things with the right approach.
now maybe everyone that immediatly jumped up and said "martin test this please" or "could you send a sample to martin" will just do what we all did when watercooling was newish, look at what was out, and buy what we thought was good, and not bicker about this block being better then that block.
I applaud the logic behind your decision, and I hope that what you would hope to happen in the future does, because like you, I think the whole community would benefit from that change.
Thanks guys,
No need to say goodbye all together, I'll be around, just not going to do the testing anymore is all. Taking the job back out of the hobby and that simply means shutting the website down and testing effort. If I take those two things away, I'm back to leisure and that's what I'm after. The ability to hang out without the stress of testing or the website. I still enjoy the forums and all the discussion here.
Testing methods are something I'm sharing with Skinnee. He has already talked about doing some of that on his site anyhow. We've been talking regularly via email and will continue to do so..:up:
Anyhow, thanks for all the support. I'd encourage everyone to carry on with the good of the order, more specifically having fun!:D
Martin its time for you to join WCG now. :rofl:
Dont make me have dave give you THE PHONE CALL
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Just join WCG...if you value your hearing, you definitely don't want the phone call.
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