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10-12-2008, 06:07 AM
Nedjo

Junior is here

I was so eager to get my hand on this sweet little mobo, and now when it's finally here let me share few impressions on blitz:

good
1. excellent build quality - this mobo hasn't got anything to be a shame off for being a bit shorter than the rest of enthusiast mobos from DFI
2.Layout is just great. I was afraid that 'cos of chipset, and PWM heat
spreaders height I will not be able to install Scythe
"NINJA PLUS Rev.B! But, it sits excelent, and the best thing is that I don't need to use springs to atach fan on cooler! I simply use PWM and chipset heat spreader to support CPU fan ;)
3. BIOS is "clean and lean" nice to navigate, and easy to tweak.

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/7...a020js0.th.jpg http://img114.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8...a021gl7.th.jpg http://img523.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4...a022rl7.th.jpg http://img523.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif

bad
1. there's option in BIOS to use Sideport and UMA memory , or just UMA, but there's no option to only use Sideport.
2. There's no option for changing NB multi :shrug:
3. No option to enable "CPU Tweak" from with in the BIOS

All in all I love the fact that there's no chokes squealing, and all works great...
Regarding the O'cing here's what I was able to score with this Ninja rev. B:

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/5599/x333rm2.jpg
10-12-2008, 06:19 AM
dirtyd

Looking good! :up: What cooling are you using? Gonna try some HTT clocking to see if you can push it further?
10-12-2008, 10:34 AM
Brother Esau

Hey Nedjo:welcome: could you please list your NB-PWM Temps @ Idle - Load @ STOCK & also @ OC .....Please;)
10-12-2008, 11:12 AM
xPliziT

Does it have a NB multilpier option in BIOS?
10-12-2008, 12:33 PM
Brother Esau

Also what is the Performance of the HDD on the New SB750? I hope there is vast improvement over the SB600 for stability and data integrity sakes !
10-12-2008, 01:34 PM
Lastviking

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedjo

I was so eager to get my hand on this sweet little mobo, and now when it's finally here let me share few impressions on blitz:

good
1. excellent build quality - this mobo hasn't got anything to be a shame off for being a bit shorter than the rest of enthusiast mobos from DFI
2.Layout is just great. I was afraid that 'cos of chipset, and PWM heat
spreaders height I will not be able to install Scythe
"NINJA PLUS Rev.B! But, it sits excelent, and the best thing is that I don't need to use springs to atach fan on cooler! I simply use PWM and chipset heat spreader to support CPU fan ;)
3. BIOS is "clean and lean" nice to navigate, and easy to tweak.

1. there's option in BIOS to use Sideport and UMA memory , or just UMA, but there's no option to only use Sideport.
2. There's no option for changing NB multi :shrug:
3. No option to enable "CPU Tweak" from with in the BIOS

All in all I love the fact that there's no chokes squealing, and all works great...
Regarding the O'cing here's what I was able to score with this Ninja rev. B:

What is real vcore is it 1.2v?
10-12-2008, 01:39 PM
DeepThought86

Also would you mind posting some benchmarks, Cinebench, Fritz and Particle's little custom benchmark? I'm trying to see if sticking in an X3 on my M2A-VM would be worth it as the cheapest upgrade
10-12-2008, 03:15 PM
Nedjo

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtyd

Looking good! :up: What cooling are you using? Gonna try some HTT clocking to see if you can push it further?

as I wrote - Scythe "NINJA PLUS Rev.B

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Esau

Hey Nedjo:welcome: could you please list your NB-PWM Temps @ Idle - Load @ STOCK & also @ OC .....Please;)

will do as soon as I get more time to play with it ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by xPliziT

Does it have a NB multilpier option in BIOS?

as I wrote - no NB multi option in BIOS :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Esau

Also what is the Performance of the HDD on the New SB750? I hope there is vast improvement over the SB600 for stability and data integrity sakes !

didn't do much on that field... only thing that I've noticed is that AHCI works w/o any problems... for almost a year now I have 790FX+SB600 combo and didn't noticed any stability or data integrity issues :shrug:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lastviking

What is real vcore is it 1.2v?

1.2V is the VID, and the real Vcore is 1.375, but under load mobo does slightingly overvolt, so the real voltage - If you believe ITE Smart Guardian is 1.4V

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepThought86

Also would you mind posting some benchmarks, Cinebench, Fritz and Particle's little custom benchmark? I'm trying to see if sticking in an X3 on my M2A-VM would be worth it as the cheapest upgrade

will do ;) but now off to sleep
10-12-2008, 10:40 PM
justapost

You know you have to hit F9 for all bios options? After that the only thing i really miss is NB VID or voltage.
10-13-2008, 12:03 AM
Jaivan

Quote:

Originally Posted by justapost

You know you have to hit F9 for all bios options? After that the only thing i really miss is NB VID or voltage.

I'm not sure if this is correct, but think that NB VID is labeled as NB Core in the BIOS.
Not sure though can would really appreciate it if someone helps me confirm this.
10-13-2008, 12:57 AM
justapost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaivan

I'm not sure if this is correct, but think that NB VID is labeled as NB Core in the BIOS.
Not sure though can would really appreciate it if someone helps me confirm this.

NB Core is the chipset part voltage. The CPU's part is labled CPU-NB VID on the 790FX if i remember correct.
After hitting F9 on the main page, it is possible to modify the CPU's and NB's FID's and DID's (multis) but not the VID's.
So if you select an cpu voltage in the bios it will be applied as an offset to the default VID's of both CPU and NB. Problem is the NB has lower voltage limits than the cpu. I have this board since a few weeks and think it's only pro is that it is mATX. But for that form factor i'd expect an lower pwm/chipset temp at stock than 70°C (without an extra fan in an desktop cube case with two case fan's).

BTW: Have you found the vCore points for the DMM on the Asus board?
10-13-2008, 10:52 AM
Nedjo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Esau

Hey Nedjo:welcome: could you please list your NB-PWM Temps @ Idle - Load @ STOCK & also @ OC .....Please;)

here you go Bro, default values:

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/2...defaultcn0.jpg

This X3 8750 Black Edition is one amazingly cool CPU! Of course all kudos to mobo also, 'cos to get these temps you really need to have well designed PWM unit that will not heat-up CPU! Yeah Ninja Rev. B and OCZ's compound does help ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by justapost

You know you have to hit F9 for all bios options? After that the only thing i really miss is NB VID or voltage.

I've tried this!

You get the options for NB fid, and TLB fix (who needs that in these days ;))

Unfortunately it doesn't work! Any hex value that you enter in NB fid don't change default x9 multi! :(

Also, HT multi doesn't work to, but that's not a big dill 'cos 1800 MHz for HT is quite enough...
10-13-2008, 11:18 AM
justapost

Latest beta bios:
http://us.dfi.com.tw/Upload/BIOS/R7JD918.zip

I only used that one for overclocking. Higher NB multis worked but for the HT the max was 10x on a 9950BE.

Looking at your chipset temps it seems you have an different board. :rolleyes:
I get 70°C under prime95 load at stock with just an 9850BE cooler. With an 9cm fan blowing with 300RPM it are 50°C. That is the main cause why i don't like the board, no way to run that thing silent in an desktop cube case.
10-13-2008, 11:26 AM
Brother Esau

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedjo

here you go Bro, default values:

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/2...defaultcn0.jpg

This X3 8750 Black Edition is one amazingly cool CPU! Of course all kudos to mobo also, 'cos to get these temps you really need to have well designed PWM unit that will not heat-up CPU! Yeah Ninja Rev. B and OCZ's compound does help ;)

I've tried this!

You get the options for NB fid, and TLB fix (who needs that in these days ;))

Unfortunately it doesn't work! Any hex value that you enter in NB fid don't change default x9 multi! :(

Also, HT multi doesn't work to, but that's not a big dill 'cos 1800 MHz for HT is quite enough...

Thank You ...Nedjo;)

Hey Ahcim:welcome: whats up man???
10-13-2008, 11:58 AM
Jaivan

Quote:

Originally Posted by justapost

NB Core is the chipset part voltage. The CPU's part is labled CPU-NB VID on the 790FX if i remember correct.
After hitting F9 on the main page, it is possible to modify the CPU's and NB's FID's and DID's (multis) but not the VID's.
So if you select an cpu voltage in the bios it will be applied as an offset to the default VID's of both CPU and NB. Problem is the NB has lower voltage limits than the cpu. I have this board since a few weeks and think it's only pro is that it is mATX. But for that form factor i'd expect an lower pwm/chipset temp at stock than 70°C (without an extra fan in an desktop cube case with two case fan's).

BTW: Have you found the vCore points for the DMM on the Asus board?

Well 2 of the dimms on my board stopped working so I rma'd it and got the 790FXB-M2RSH haha.
I've be wondering about the NB-VID thing for a while now too hopefully they'll add it in for later BIOS's.
10-13-2008, 01:20 PM
Nedjo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Esau

Thank You ...Nedjo;)

you're welcome Bro Esau ;)

Here's status under prime (1+ hour):

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2637/8750beoczz6.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/8...pg/1/w1626.png

It turns out that prime stable of this CPU is 3.2 GHz... well at least for all cores ;) two out of three cores are stable on 3.3 GHz... maybe even higher... but I need all three working as high as possible ;)
10-13-2008, 01:46 PM
phistyle

hey would you mind telling us you system setup and configurations? like bios, OS you're using, and what version AOD.....I have the same board with vista sp1 64bit and AOD keeps freezing up on me....
10-13-2008, 01:50 PM
Nedjo

Quote:

Originally Posted by phistyle

hey would you mind telling us you system setup and configurations? like bios, OS you're using, and what version AOD.....I have the same board with vista sp1 64bit and AOD keeps freezing up on me....

first release BIOS, Vista 32bit SP1 AOD 2.14.
10-13-2008, 04:01 PM
Brother Esau

WOW:eek: DAMN]\\>>>>>>>>>>That chipset runs Hot! I guess its just not Isolated to Justaposts Board:(
10-13-2008, 07:16 PM
phistyle

yea I find the chipset runs hot as well....I have like 8 fans in my case and it still kind of hot...
10-13-2008, 11:11 PM
Nedjo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Esau

WOW:eek: DAMN]\\>>>>>>>>>>That chipset runs Hot! I guess its just not Isolated to Justaposts Board:(

but, what's the fuss about this high temp of the chipset? It has the small passive heat sink, so it's expected to get this hot, and obviously designers of the chipset, and the mobo knew that, so this would be a feature, and not a problem ;)
10-14-2008, 12:05 AM
JWilson

Rebels Haven is preparing mod bios for the Junior that willl have some new items in cpu feature. Should look like this:
http://www.lejabeach.com/DFI/790FXM2...2RSBIOS-18.jpg
10-14-2008, 09:49 AM
justapost

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWilson

Rebels Haven is preparing mod bios for the Junior that willl have some new items in cpu feature. Should look like this:
http://www.lejabeach.com/DFI/790FXM2...2RSBIOS-18.jpg

I love it. :)

edit. but after thinking about it i'm curious if it will work. Unlike other boards the vid's can not be changed by writing directly to the p-state-control register. On the other hand AOD can change the vid's so there is a way.
10-14-2008, 09:56 AM
justapost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaivan

Well 2 of the dimms on my board stopped working so I rma'd it and got the 790FXB-M2RSH haha.

The GSkill 8000 Kit? Does the board support that kit? I could not get this kit working in 1066 mode on an gbt780a board. The 790GX seems to be alot more sensible to memory timings than the 790FX. Testing 4x1GB GSkill 8500PK's and 4x1GB Kingston Hyper X here and I can not get em stable in 1066 mode. The only kit i had no problems with are the Tracers, even four of em work fine in all boards.
10-14-2008, 10:01 AM
justapost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedjo

but, what's the fuss about this high temp of the chipset? It has the small passive heat sink, so it's expected to get this hot, and obviously designers of the chipset, and the mobo knew that, so this would be a feature, and not a problem ;)

If ordered an Thermalright HR-05 IFX SLI hope that will solve the temperature problem.
Lot of plastic on that QPack2 case I don't wanna melt that in the summer. Also it's not a digital pwm those are designed to work at 100°C, so i expect it will have a reduced life time due to those high temps.
10-15-2008, 02:47 AM
justapost

Received an additional heatsink for the DFI JR's chipset. Used an HR-05-SLI/IFX. With a little force the board still fit's in the QPack2 case.
http://www.abload.de/img/dfib5q.jpg
First impression is the temps dropped round 10-15°C. Max I reached was close to 60°C.
A much better solution than an additional fan on the chipset/pwm.

Won't hear me moaning about temps from now. ;)
10-15-2008, 12:06 PM
Nedjo

Quote:

Originally Posted by justapost

Won't hear me moaning about temps from now. ;)

Now all we need is "sharper" BIOS ;)
10-15-2008, 12:33 PM
Brother Esau

Quote:

Originally Posted by justapost

Received an additional heatsink for the DFI JR's chipset. Used an HR-05-SLI/IFX. With a little force the board still fit's in the QPack2 case.
http://www.abload.de/img/dfib5q.jpg
First impression is the temps dropped round 10-15°C. Max I reached was close to 60°C.
A much better solution than an additional fan on the chipset/pwm.

Won't hear me moaning about temps from now. ;)

Wonder if that will work on the 790FX-M2R:D
10-15-2008, 01:49 PM
justapost

Had a few probs to get FID's working because i had to reset the bios. Finaly it worked that way.

1. Configured memory speed and voltage and disabled nb power management on the "advanced chipst feature" page. Applid and Rebooted into bios.
2. Disabled CnQ and pick an cpu multi. Applied and rebooted into bios.
3. With F9 enabled settings set cpu multi back to auto and modified ht multi and nb fid. Applied and rebooted fine now with 9xht and nb multi. Should also work for higher multis the only difficult thing is to get the fid's working.
10-15-2008, 01:54 PM
Nedjo

Quote:

Originally Posted by justapost

Had a few probs to get FID's working because i had to reset the bios. Finaly it worked that way.

1. Configured memory speed and voltage and disabled nb power management on the "advanced chipst feature" page. Applid and Rebooted into bios.
2. Disabled CnQ and pick an cpu multi. Applied and rebooted into bios.
3. With F9 enabled settings set cpu multi back to auto and modified ht multi and nb fid. Applied and rebooted fine now with 9xht and nb multi. Should also work for higher multis the only difficult thing is to get the fid's working.

haha, this gymnastic is so DFI :D
10-16-2008, 07:57 AM
justapost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedjo

haha, this gymnastic is so DFI :D

:yepp: Did it work for you? I missed you use an 8750 with an locked multi so only lower multis should work
10-16-2008, 08:11 AM
Nedjo

Quote:

Originally Posted by justapost

:yepp: Did it work for you? I missed you use an 8750 with an locked multi so only lower multis should work

to tell the truth one of the reasons I've switched DFI 790FX for ASUS one at the beginning of Phenom era was this "recreation" wit the BIOS... If I find time to hassle again, i might try this on JR... BTW I have 8750 Black Edition ;)
10-16-2008, 08:19 AM
ea6gka

would you recommend this cpu mate over other quads except 9950BE?

satisfied with it ? hope you had a X4 too so you can your experience
10-16-2008, 08:34 AM
Nedjo

Quote:

Originally Posted by ea6gka

would you recommend this cpu mate over other quads except 9950BE?

satisfied with it ? hope you had a X4 too so you can your experience

well actually I've switched 9950 140W with this CPU! It works like charm. i love its low temps and as soon I get some more time I'll try it under passively cooled Ninja rev.B ofcourse OC'ed ;)

in other rig I have ASUS 790FX+ "white" 8750 also o'ced but little lower - 3GHz (250x12)...

won't bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: you, as soon as I get Deneb I'll forward this trippie to girlfriend :D but 'till then I think that 8750 BE is the best buy AMD CPU ATM!

Obviously I love unlocked blackies... yeah I've become spoiled old O'Cer who hates digging out last possible stable MHz on reference HTT :D it's so much easer to live with unlocked multies!
10-30-2008, 04:43 PM
justapost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Esau

Wonder if that will work on the 790FX-M2R:D

http://www.abload.de/thumb/dfi790fxcelo.jpg
Hi Bro, should work but will block one pcie slot. It's too wide for the pwm section ~ 4-5mm.
10-31-2008, 05:28 AM
justapost

Beta bios with NB-VID:

http://us.dfi.com.tw/Upload/BIOS/R7JDA17.zip

Too bad my board stuck at post code 8A or BA atm (only thing i did was replacing the hd2400xt with an firegl 5600).

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