Need help finding Micron D9 based DDR2!

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10-01-2008, 08:21 AM
VinnyG

Need help finding Micron D9 based DDR2!

So its been a little while since Ive needed new RAM. I already got 2Gigs of the sweet D9GMH Crucial Ballistix but now Im finding myself needing more for my system. Since mixing up the Ballistixs seems like its goin to be a problem with the current offerings from Crucial (single sided crap) and needing or wanting something capable of doing at least 1000-1020Mhz 4-4-4-8/10 2T, I need some input on which of the current kits could still be using theses sweet ICs...

Preferably something from either Mushkin, Gskill or Patriot.

Thanks,
10-01-2008, 08:30 AM
Catz

Mushkin: perhaps
Gskill: perhaps
Patriot: no
10-01-2008, 08:37 AM
itznfb

are you looking for a total of 4gb or 2gb?
i'm not sure why you're looking for D9's either unless you're benching. D9's die way too frequently to be in a daily machine. not sure why you think you need to 1000+ mhz with cas4 either.
i'd just suggest picking up this gskill kit:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231166
10-01-2008, 08:44 AM
Revv23

I think maybe cell shock and xtreem still have sticks with D9 in them... but they are expensive and like has been said aren't reliable...

I for one have just one stick left of D9 out of 4 and i wasn't even hard on them... I'm looking forward to having my RMA go through so that i dont have to worry about this last one dieing... im sure they wont replace it with D9 but that will be nice for the insurance that i won't have to replace them every 6 months.
10-01-2008, 08:50 AM
itznfb

i have 3 full 2x1gb kits left, and 2 individual sticks left. and that's out of about 40-50 kits. most of which were benched until death, but several were daily PCs that i had to replace the mems every 4 to 5 months.
10-01-2008, 09:26 AM
Shiranui Gen-An

Usually easy to find some D9 on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=250300007303
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=260292885931
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Corsair-Domi...QQcmdZViewItem

Then there's the XS favorites at MemoryC: http://www.memoryc.com/computermemor...c28000cl4.html

And there's always the HZs at NewEgg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231065
10-01-2008, 09:40 AM
Dee

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An

Then there's the XS favorites at MemoryC: http://www.memoryc.com/computermemor...c28000cl4.html

CellShock. Yum.

/end of thread
10-01-2008, 09:57 AM
VinnyG

Im just looking for 4Gigs, the main reason why D9s is that my mobo just LOVES them... Ive never had any issues with the durability of the ICs when cooled properly and not abused of, since its only natural that they fail when being pushed too far (been there done that):)
10-01-2008, 10:02 AM
itznfb

Quote:

Originally Posted by VinnyG

Im just looking for 4Gigs, the main reason why D9s is that my mobo just LOVES them... Ive never had any issues with the durability of the ICs when cooled properly and not abused of, since its only natural that they fail when being pushed too far (been there done that):)

have you used D9's in a 4GB configuration before? i've never had much luck doing so.
10-01-2008, 10:37 AM
Shiranui Gen-An

Also check out this stuff: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Corsair-2GB-...QQcmdZViewItem

I got a kit of v1.3 from the seller today, and he said he had at least one more set.
10-01-2008, 10:46 AM
GazC

I have 2x1gb D9GMH based OCZ 7200 Plats that are surplus to requirements, but I fitted Thermalright Ram coolers. You may struggle to fit them with 4 Dimms installed. I'm also in the UK, but PM me if you are interested.
10-01-2008, 11:20 AM
louie101086

says d9 right in the title of the ram

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227191
10-01-2008, 11:22 AM
systemviper

check out www.memoryc.com they tell you the chips on some of hte D9's
10-01-2008, 11:32 AM
Dee

Quote:

Originally Posted by louie101086

says d9 right in the title of the ram

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227191

Misleading. Newegg haven't updated their info and it's out of date. OCZ hasn't been using D9's on reaper for about a year now. Also in the spec it says 2.1 - 2.3v. Well, 2.3v will probably kill this RAM.
10-01-2008, 11:46 AM
louie101086

well whats a good ram which will allow me to overclock the crap out of my e7200 and cost around $40-$60
10-01-2008, 11:49 AM
Shiranui Gen-An

Quote:

Originally Posted by Remcokatz

Mushkin: perhaps
Gskill: perhaps
Patriot: no

The Patriot 9600 stuff was still D9GMH last I heard, and the 9200 Vipers.
10-01-2008, 11:52 AM
Shiranui Gen-An

Quote:

Originally Posted by louie101086

well whats a good ram which will allow me to overclock the crap out of my e7200 and cost around $40-$60

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Ballistix-2G...QQcmdZViewItem

Same seller has a ton of 16FD2 (= double-sided D9GMH) Ballistix.
10-01-2008, 11:54 AM
Dee

Quote:

Originally Posted by louie101086

well whats a good ram which will allow me to overclock the crap out of my e7200 and cost around $40-$60

Not sure. For one, I'm not in the USA so prices are not my strong point. I would think eBay is a good place to look for used Ballistix, preferably FD5, FD3, or anything with a 16 at the end of the part number. EDIT: Seems Shiranui Gen-An was thinking the same thing because he posted as I was writing.

Recently there was a guy selling a couple of 2GB Ballistix kits here in the classified ads section but they've probably gone now. Just keep your eyes peeled and something will turn up. Again, used Ballistix is probably a good starting point.
10-01-2008, 12:10 PM
louie101086

will those allow me to overclock my cpu because last time i used pc6400 then switched to pc8500 and this allowed me to overclock higher
10-01-2008, 12:15 PM
Shiranui Gen-An

The D9GMH Ballistix 5300 kits can go at least to 8500, if not higher. 9200+ isn't out of the question.
10-01-2008, 12:18 PM
Dee

Nothing is guaranteed, and you are usually better off starting from a higher speed like 1066 over 800, however, Micron D9 is usually always good. Only yesterday I was looking at some benching results from a guy using PC5300 Ballistix which did at least DDR1200.

Again, nothing is guaranteed, overclocking is down to luck most of the time, and unless you're paying for high-end RAM like CellShock, Team Xtreem, etc., you can't really expect anything past the manufacturer's rated spec.
10-01-2008, 12:20 PM
Revv23

Wow cellshock PC2-8000 for only $75 :O I might have to get some of that.
10-01-2008, 12:23 PM
Dee

Do it. This kit is killer. I just ran DDR1302 with it, albeit briefly. In a few days I'll set up some active cooling and post some benches.
10-01-2008, 02:37 PM
Shiranui Gen-An

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dee

Do it. This kit is killer. I just ran DDR1302 with it, albeit briefly. In a few days I'll set up some active cooling and post some benches.

How much VDIMM did that need? :eek:
10-01-2008, 04:45 PM
Dee

I'm not exactly sure, I just set it to 2.3v and it seemed stable, although I didn't run MemTest or anything, only Super Pi 1M. I got scared and backed it down but it was nice for a while. I really don't want to kill this kit! On the other hand, it's rated up to 2.3v, but we all know how easily D9 is...
10-01-2008, 05:48 PM
zanzabar

here is some gkx kingston $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820104059

i was going to get some but i have no cash/moving to ddr3
10-01-2008, 06:11 PM
ap4lifetn

HZ's are still D9
10-01-2008, 06:18 PM
Shiranui Gen-An

Quote:

Originally Posted by zanzabar

here is some gkx kingston $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820104059

i was going to get some but i have no cash/moving to ddr3

I don't think the Kingston are D9 anymore but Elpida.
10-01-2008, 07:03 PM
zanzabar

its rated 2.3V and is 1150mhz, eledia cant do that to my knowlage, teh only thing that could would be powerhcips but thats a 2.1V kit if so and the kingston site says only 2.3
10-02-2008, 05:36 AM
doakh

Quote:

Originally Posted by zanzabar

here is some gkx kingston $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820104059

i was going to get some but i have no cash/moving to ddr3

My set died within a day with a C1 error. I could not get stable over 1069MHz before they crapped out.
10-02-2008, 06:26 AM
Shiranui Gen-An

I wouldn't count on the Kingston being D9 anymore, with the new heat spreaders. If you can find some of the older stuff, OK.
10-02-2008, 12:54 PM
zanzabar

oh well then im glad i didnt jump on it
10-04-2008, 09:01 AM
nefariouscaine

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An

The Patriot 9600 stuff was still D9GMH last I heard, and the 9200 Vipers.

I just picked up 2 kits cheap on ebay of the 9200 vipers - less than 100 bucks for the 2 kits :up:

should be interesting to see how they work out - i checked with the sellers to do what i could to make sure they were the 2.3v kits

seems like ebay is still a good place to find some d9's - sometimes cheap - sometimes not
10-04-2008, 09:33 AM
WeldZilla

G.Skill 6400HZ will take you right to and beyond 1300 with good timings.
the 3 systems in my sig all run 6400HZ

WZ
10-04-2008, 09:44 AM
philbrown23

i have the single sided crucials, what chips do they use?? also i still have a set of d9 crucials that are rated 667 and have been chuging away at 1066 for over 1 year now
10-04-2008, 10:12 AM
BigDMadinko

I'm running 2 gb Transcend AxeRam 800 in my Asus p5q Pro mobo at 1120 Mhz, 5-5-5-15 timings, 2.1 v. I have had it even higher, 1200 Mhz. I got this ram a year ago not knowing how good it would be and got lucky. Are all current AxeRam modules using D9 chips or only the older ones? I see on the Transcend website all iterations of AxeRam are still available for purchase but not sure if they changed the kind of chips they are using. http://ec.transcendusa.com/product/p...139&indexnum=1
10-04-2008, 12:48 PM
zanzabar

Quote:

Originally Posted by philbrown23

i have the single sided crucials, what chips do they use?? also i still have a set of d9 crucials that are rated 667 and have been chuging away at 1066 for over 1 year now

single sided crucial 1GB sticks are still D9 they are just a revE IC instead of a revD and revE ddr2 is bad
10-04-2008, 04:30 PM
Shiranui Gen-An

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDMadinko

I'm running 2 gb Transcend AxeRam 800 in my Asus p5q Pro mobo at 1120 Mhz, 5-5-5-15 timings, 2.1 v. I have had it even higher, 1200 Mhz. I got this ram a year ago not knowing how good it would be and got lucky. Are all current AxeRam modules using D9 chips or only the older ones? I see on the Transcend website all iterations of AxeRam are still available for purchase but not sure if they changed the kind of chips they are using. http://ec.transcendusa.com/product/p...139&indexnum=1

Nope, the model numbers are different from the older kits. The ones with D9 all ended in QLJ, signifying 64Mx8 ICs. These current kits have QLU in the model number and have 128Mx8 ICs. My D9GMH aXeRam 1200 kit got replaced with a non-D9 version and I noted the model number change.
10-04-2008, 06:55 PM
BigDMadinko

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An

Nope, the model numbers are different from the older kits. The ones with D9 all ended in QLJ, signifying 64Mx8 ICs. These current kits have QLU in the model number and have 128Mx8 ICs. My D9GMH aXeRam 1200 kit got replaced with a non-D9 version and I noted the model number change.

Ok thanks for the info. What about the 1066 kits? No more D9s for them either? I am kicking myself because I took 2 gb of out of my own computer for my daughter's system. Those are older version too got them at the same time. I might have to do a swap with some other ram and steal them back from her! :lol2:
10-05-2008, 09:24 AM
18 is # 1

These are for sure: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145165
10-05-2008, 12:46 PM
BigDMadinko

Quote:

Originally Posted by 18 is # 1

These are for sure: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145165

Is the Dominator 800 mhz D9 but not the 1066? I ordered a pair of 1066 Dominator from newegg last week!
10-05-2008, 01:16 PM
Shiranui Gen-An

The Dominator DDR2-800 CAS3 is D9 guaranteed. It is highly unlikely the 1066 kit will be however.
10-06-2008, 07:36 AM
18 is # 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An

The Dominator DDR2-800 CAS3 is D9 guaranteed. It is highly unlikely the 1066 kit will be however.

Correct. You have to go up to 9136 in 2x1 Dominators to get D9: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145169

Those C3 800s are sweet.
10-06-2008, 07:49 AM
BigDMadinko

Quote:

Originally Posted by 18 is # 1

Correct. You have to go up to 9136 in 2x1 Dominators to get D9: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145169

Those C3 800s are sweet.

Wow $330 for the 1142 Dominators! :shocked: I'm looking at those C3 800s now, I'll have to send back the 1066 that are arriving today though. The thing is I have been spoiled with my 800 AxeRam Ram which have D9. I have also ordered another pair of AxeRam from Transcend, this time they are the 1066 variety, these are known to use D9 chips aren't they?
10-06-2008, 09:02 AM
Shiranui Gen-An

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDMadinko

Wow $330 for the 1142 Dominators! :shocked: I'm looking at those C3 800s now, I'll have to send back the 1066 that are arriving today though. The thing is I have been spoiled with my 800 AxeRam Ram which have D9. I have also ordered another pair of AxeRam from Transcend, this time they are the 1066 variety, these are known to use D9 chips aren't they?

If the Transcend model is TX1066QLJ-2GK, they are probably D9, but you'd have to inspect the barcode on the modules' stickers to be sure. If it's TX1066QLU-2GK, forget it.
10-06-2008, 09:43 AM
18 is # 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDMadinko

Wow $330 for the 1142 Dominators! :shocked: I'm looking at those C3 800s now, I'll have to send back the 1066 that are arriving today though. The thing is I have been spoiled with my 800 AxeRam Ram which have D9. I have also ordered another pair of AxeRam from Transcend, this time they are the 1066 variety, these are known to use D9 chips aren't they?

Those C3 Dominators are EOL and can't be replaced if you fry them. Cosair will either exchange for comparable value or refund your purchase.
10-08-2008, 05:21 AM
nefariouscaine

Quote:

Originally Posted by nefariouscaine

I just picked up 2 kits cheap on ebay of the 9200 vipers - less than 100 bucks for the 2 kits :up:

should be interesting to see how they work out - i checked with the sellers to do what i could to make sure they were the 2.3v kits

seems like ebay is still a good place to find some d9's - sometimes cheap - sometimes not

well - just got 1 kit of those Viper DDR2-9200 and 1 stick is defunct totally right off the get go

the other stick I'm questioning the D9 nature of it - it runs better at lower voltage even though everything on the package implies it supposed to be 2.3v stuff

does DDR2-1200 at 2.1v - doesn't want to go much higher - now if both stick worked fine I'd be willing to be happy but NOOOOO - I'm questioning if this stuff was new and the seller just wasn't selling it cause it didn't work... gotta love ebay sometimes - next kit comes in today - should be fun - I can't imagine both wouldn't work

I might RMA my current Anniversary Series Ballistix and get a new kit of DDR2-667 D9's
10-08-2008, 07:05 AM
Shiranui Gen-An

Quote:

Originally Posted by nefariouscaine

the other stick I'm questioning the D9 nature of it - it runs better at lower voltage even though everything on the package implies it supposed to be 2.3v stuff

One way to tell if it's not Micron RevD for sure is to look at the IC from the gap inbetween the heat spreaders. If you see "feet" like in this picture it's not D9GMH. Micron is flat like this.
10-08-2008, 11:14 AM
nefariouscaine

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An

One way to tell if it's not Micron RevD for sure is to look at the IC from the gap inbetween the heat spreaders. If you see "feet" like in this picture it's not D9GMH. Micron is flat like this.

Thanks - thats a great way for me to check and see pretty easy - I am bummed out that this 1 stick doesn't work.. RMA time... :shakes:

I have high hopes on the 2nd kit coming today
10-08-2008, 12:23 PM
Shiranui Gen-An

Well, were they D9s???
10-08-2008, 02:53 PM
nefariouscaine

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An

Well, were they D9s???

lol - patience, patience - I'm at work still :D
10-08-2008, 06:18 PM
nefariouscaine

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An

One way to tell if it's not Micron RevD for sure is to look at the IC from the gap inbetween the heat spreaders. If you see "feet" like in this picture it's not D9GMH. Micron is flat like this.

well they aren't D9 - definitely have "feet"

and... I found out why the 1 kit just doesn't work - the IC's were pulled off the PCB by the heatspreader at some point in time - I'm going to put the screws to the seller on this one

AVOID the Patriot DDR2-9200 kits if you are looking for D9's - even if they say 2.3v they aren't for sure the real deal
10-08-2008, 06:27 PM
Shiranui Gen-An

Well, the 9600 kit should be D9: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820220282
10-08-2008, 08:03 PM
nefariouscaine

well here is the non D9 PC2-9200 kit in action at 2.1v

http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ndwidthxh5.jpg - that is with PL 9

http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?i...4500mhzak3.jpg
10-08-2008, 09:10 PM
18 is # 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by nefariouscaine

well here is the non D9 PC2-9200 kit in action at 2.1v

http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ndwidthxh5.jpg - that is with PL 9

http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?i...4500mhzak3.jpg

I'll trade my mobo and sticks for yours!!
10-08-2008, 10:14 PM
nefariouscaine

Quote:

Originally Posted by 18 is # 1

I'll trade my mobo and sticks for yours!!

LOL - I might trade you my sticks for yours but I like this Deluxe of mine a little too much

Thinking about a Biostar P45 as a pure bench beast but that is a little ways off (after water cooling...)

Seems like you got a decent setup already for CAS4:up:
10-08-2008, 10:30 PM
zanzabar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An

Well, the 9600 kit should be D9: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820220282

thats power chips, hence the 2.1v, OCZ has a 1200MHZ powerchips kit also
10-09-2008, 05:31 AM
Shiranui Gen-An

Where do you see 2.1V? That says 2.3V, as does Patriot's website: http://www.patriotmemory.com/product...&id=665&type=1
10-09-2008, 08:41 AM
18 is # 1

Mouth watering good: http://www.memoryc.com/computermemor...c28000cl4.html
10-09-2008, 08:57 AM
Dee

^^ They are amazing.
10-09-2008, 11:06 AM
Shiranui Gen-An

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An

I wouldn't count on the Kingston being D9 anymore, with the new heat spreaders. If you can find some of the older stuff, OK.

Well it may have to eat those words: http://forum.coolaler.com/showthread.php?t=176172
It appears at least some of the Kingston HyperX 9200 with the new heat spreaders is D9GKX, but some is Elpida as I suspected: http://forum.coolaler.com/showpost.p...7&postcount=24
10-09-2008, 11:56 AM
18 is # 1

How about these?http://www.memoryc.com/computermemor...p29200cl5.html
10-09-2008, 12:01 PM
Shiranui Gen-An

Those are D9GKX according to the ramlist.
10-09-2008, 02:48 PM
18 is # 1

Dee said the Reaper 8500s were no longer D9, but how about the 9200s?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227196
10-09-2008, 02:54 PM
nefariouscaine

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An

Where do you see 2.1V? That says 2.3V, as does Patriot's website: http://www.patriotmemory.com/product...&id=665&type=1

I think patriot and some other vendors included aren't updating the voltage spec on their products and as overclockers looking for something we'll believe what we want

I did that with my 2.3v PC2-9200 kit and I would suggest avoiding the 9600 Patriot kit as well - gone are the days when D9's were the only stuff that would hit 8500++ (I miss those days to an extent)

I'm a firm believer that OCZ isn't using D9's on those Reaper 9200 kits

If I can get my power chip sticks to hit 1200 I'm sure the MFGs can as well in the factory
10-09-2008, 03:19 PM
doakh

OCZ Reaper PC2-9200 & PC2-9600 are no longer D9 chips. The maximum voltages are 2.1v. I am having trouble getting the PC2-9600 stable over 1069MHz. I guess I will go back to my Team Xtreem's.
10-29-2008, 01:54 PM
slugzkea

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An

One way to tell if it's not Micron RevD for sure is to look at the IC from the gap inbetween the heat spreaders. If you see "feet" like in this picture it's not D9GMH. Micron is flat like this.

i wouldnt be able to tell, and not willing to pull them out of my system just yet to verify. but after speaking with patriot themselves, they claim the black viper fin 9600s are micron d9s.
However, only tested with 680i and p35 chipsets for compatilibity.

but d9's are rampage qvl!!!

anyways, i finished superpi at 1081mhz, strap 333. Attempted strap 400 to make 1199mhz, froze.

what voltage controls the strap, northbridge right? i got that at 1.6v rite now (real).
10-29-2008, 02:17 PM
Shiranui Gen-An

Why not first try with a lower FSB like 400 and easy 3:2 divider on the memory?
10-29-2008, 07:44 PM
nefariouscaine

I found a kit of Patriot 9600 on ebay - it was the older style heat spreaders and is supposedly new - another roll of the dice on some patriot for less than $60

linky

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...:B:ONA:US:1123
10-29-2008, 11:44 PM
CryptiK

OCZ & Patriot, yuk. IMO get some decent ram at least if your going to spend money. Neither company ever made decent D9 kits anyway.
10-30-2008, 06:08 AM
nefariouscaine

Quote:

Originally Posted by CryptiK

OCZ & Patriot, yuk. IMO get some decent ram at least if your going to spend money. Neither company ever made decent D9 kits anyway.

yeah... but i've gone through enough burnt out Ballistix to be sick to my stomach - haven't liked OCZ in DDR2 as I did in DDR1 but they did put out some decent stuff - I'm more worried about costs vs chips - next step is cellshock for the slight premium

pissed the red kits are gone now

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