Seem like a lots of the HD4870 is dead in 24hrs? Just want to know how many of you still have the HD4870 still alive? If yes is it Stock heat sink or you have swap it to the after market heat sink?
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Seem like a lots of the HD4870 is dead in 24hrs? Just want to know how many of you still have the HD4870 still alive? If yes is it Stock heat sink or you have swap it to the after market heat sink?
Good question... my one (2 of them) are not working... I did a BIOS flash and it was working after it, then just died 1-2h later... and I did not o/c
Also for the one that still alive and no mod please post what brand too. Thanks,
i wouldent blame ati on this its most likly qimondas doing, and all of the cards are the same reference then they get thier sticker on some so brand dosnt matter
im waiting for samsung or hynks based cards to come out
also there are 280gtx dieing as well and they use qib as well as the 8800gt 1st batch and some 3850 that shipped with qib so...
Well actually I just want to find out for those who has the HD4870 that still works, I just wonder are they base on lucky or they had after market heat sink or else? cause mine is going to be in my rig on Monday.Quote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
Something could be dodgy with the RAM, who knows, I'd like to know also how many, if any people out there reading these forums own a HD4870 and it is working for them?
is any way can make this post stick so everyone can see it at least.
had one Sapphire 4870 up and running stock for 29 hours rebooted alot going from xp to vista no problems at all
on a x38 mb q6600 no oc
i have two 4870's in my system and i'm gaming like a madman - no problems whatsoever on my end. i've already done a couple four hour gaming marathons, too - and my ambient temperature is hot out here in Southern California. i have two Sapphire reference cards. i haven't touched the cooler, haven't tried to overclock, and haven't flashed the BIOS. my idle temps are extremely high in the mid-70's but they don't seem to get much hotter when i'm gaming. all i have is the GPU-Z graph and it doesn't look like the temp goes up much in-game. Everest doesn't work with them so i can't use that to monitor in real time.
Darn, this makes me really worry since I just ordered a VisionTek on TigerDirect yesterday. :(
iTravis, I think you should be fine, just don't touch the BIOS or o/c the card. If it does happen to die at least it's not your fault at all (things like that do happen although not very often to worry about) and you'll be able to get a new one anyway.
I hope so. I'll be swapping the stock cooler with an after market one anyway since I heard temp is probably the main cause. But well, that's the price you have to pay for adapting new technology earlier so it's all good, just hate the hassle of sending back and forth. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Edin
I also have a Sapphire and been gaming for more then a day no problems at all here.Quote:
Originally Posted by bill_d
Most people have stated that their cards have died after a cold reboot.Quote:
Originally Posted by xMrBunglex
Have you shut down your computer since you installed the HD4870's?
yes a number of times, i shut down to pull removable boot drives going from xp to vista and all last night if was off
Two Sapphire 4870's running perfect. Of course I didn't do anything silly like a BIOS flash either.
A few die so you wonder if those that live are "base on lucky"???Quote:
Originally Posted by mr2sw21
:ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Unbornchild
But seriously I think this thing is blown way out of proportion. Problem is cos 90%+ of the cards that died were messed with. Either hacked bios flash or oc or whatever.
Only few of the cards 'just died' if of course we can believe what the guys are saying and I see no reason not to.
So you are saying: If you buy 4870 DO NOT OVERCLOCK IT?Quote:
Originally Posted by SimBy
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Originally Posted by BobyTT
imo, he's saying don't hack your bios.... ccc oc ok...
that's what I'm reading here.. keep the warranty in tact..
Thanks GOD , he scared me!
Ironically I read lots of people (here and on other forums) laughing about posts in XS about dying cards... many say we are to blaim to have dead cards for flashinng the BIOS (and they say we did it "incorectly") and even that we shouldn't RMA the card if it failed even if we were o/c (which I didn't) it in CCC or similar... just absurd considering ATI themselves give us this ability to begin with in every driver release :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeB12
So by them if you enable overclocking in CCC and you find your HD4870 dies.. it's your own fault :shakes: and if we want to just increase the fan speed again it's our fault because the card was mean to run 70-80C idle... and they call people who make new ways to do things noobs... I wonder who's a noob here :)
Maybe better change thread's title to "How many HD4870 died?"?
Fixed. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mr2sw21
Hmm all I'm really saying is we can't say there is anything wrong with HD4870 per se, cos almost all cards that died were flashed with edited bios and experimental tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobyTT
If most of these cards were not messed with and would actually be dying stock then I would start pointing fingers at ATI or Qimonda. But that is not the case.
And also, how many card really died that we know of?! 10? 15? Out of how many thousand?
Let's put things into perspective.
so far I counted 10 people posting them having their HD4870 dying
something that might help with rumors and other forums misinterpreting and spreading misinformation...
out of the reported dead cards..
this may help clarify much of the confusion people are having here; and spreading rumors at other forums.
which category does the failed card fall into.
1. flashed bios; card died.
2. flashed bios and oc'ed; card died
2. did not flash bios, and did not oc; card died.
3. did not flash bios, ccc oc'ed; card died
if this info was all in one spot for the dead cards, I think yall could avoid much of the rumors and jokes...
maybe someone could start a new "official failed 4870 thread" with a OP master list of the cards failing with some easy to follow data criteria as a master list
I would, but I don't have a 4870... so really doubt I'd keep current with the master list like it should be updated
I bet thats NVidia's paid agents that are spreading those nasty rumors!
Everyone who had their cards die on them touched the bios. You can oc the card through CCC. Just keep it there until some better oc tools come out with less risk of damage.
@Mike, the card does not die from CCC ocing, only from bios flashing.
Perkam
LOL :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BobyTT
oh wait... why am I laughing... my cards are dead :rolleyes:
:up: Thanks for clearing that up...Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
$300 is not cheap when the card has an expected lifetime of less than one week.
Actually, W1zzard is already on the problem and is looking to configure the bios to restart the cards, or at least allow safe overclocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceevee
The problem seems to be the qimonda ram which, due to Quad channel interface, is not taking overclocks very well.
As one member mentioned, the ram overclocks 4mhz for every 1mhz overclock (900 -> 1000Mhz oc is actually 3600 -> 4000Mhz)
Perkam
"expected"?^Fixed. Stick to the facts please.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceevee
The point is that there is no garantie that a flashed bios will hold and these cards are still new. We have to wait for tested flashing programs and please guys do not reflash your bios until this problem is resolved. 300 usd ain´t cheap but when you flash your modded bios that means 300 usd is more or less like peanuts for you. Rumors = Nvidia fans at work:shocked:
Most likely its the memory if anything. GDDR5 is still new technology that ati rushed out for their launch, so its not too surprising. My bet is that the memory is over heating so try turning up your fan speeds a bit and see if that helps since all the 4850s are fine
The ones that died are only cards with flashed bios so far. I presume the mem is not the problem but the tool they use in flashing their modded bios gets messed up:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
Man you really are hopeless :mad: Let's just calm down and see wtf is the real reason for the failures, ok? There is nothing wrong being Nvidia fanboy/cheerleader trying to justify a $650 purchase, but don't spread the fud everywhere cos you're not helping the poor guys with dead cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceevee
Thanks for clearing that up for those who didn't know. Did you confirm yourself that the people who said they did not flash their cards are lying?Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
And if it's the overclock, you're saying the max oc off ccc overdrive is still safe?
has anyone just use rivertune to tune up the fan only? Will that kill the 4870? Or use rivertune to OC the card does that consider flashing the bios?
dude you need to calm down yourself, I don't see what the guy said that was so bad and you're calling him hopeless.Quote:
Originally Posted by SimBy
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=192937
Everyone, here's a poll, please vote to help pinpoint whether its a problem for all cards or just oc'd cards/bios flashed cards
Maybe that should be a private poll?
gotta agree on one point: ceevee did nothing else but giving a couple of examples from guys who killed their cards with bios mods, and these examples really exist, even if they represent only a few percentage of users. So I can't see anything wrong about ceevee's post. He got aggressive when he got really attacked by ATI fanboys :D. Nothing wrong on his side: he acquired a couple of NVs so what? He's happy with them so what ?Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
Also saying that the few users who saw their cards die after OC (from bios flash OK, not CCC) is not relevant compared to the thousands of other ATI buyers doesn't make more sense than saying that the tens of posts about 790i chipset corruption issues @ XS wouldn't make sense either. So there's a big "potential" issue with the 4000 series, the cards are much better than expected, but let's admit it, the issue exist, and from what I've read it's GDDR5 related. So let's just be patient, use the "fan fix script" in the meantime, and see how it goes when either a new bios or new drivers are released. Most likely the next drivers will fix the temp issues for everyone. If there's really a ram issue, that's another story...
this post sounds rather fair to me, read for yourself:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=4049
wow there needs to be a designation of people with 4870s lol, there is so much info that is not true going around, there are quite a few cards that have died from nothing related to flashing bios overclocking or anything, they were at stock.
that was exactly my guess as well, but for now it's just a guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
does anyone know how much heat gddr5 can take?
I believed that to, but since there aren't more threads popping up, or just some new cases every hour, I'm starting to think about a> a few melons or b> user errors and not wanting to admit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
That's why this thread is a great idea, I just would have done it as a private poll and ask the people in the opening post to PM me if they done something particular before the death. It's all good, just difrrent ways to get to the same goal.
I've been running mine since Friday afternoon with no problems. No bios flash, did the fan fix through profiles in CCC, and have OC'd the card through CCC. I love it so far...
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Originally Posted by erocker
Be sure to answer the poll then, every user is a seperate case. Thanks for informing us :up:
i'm going to be gettign 3 with my BB discount but after seeing this i bet its just some ram issues BIOS mod+vdram mod will probably make them run fine
Those that have flashed the BIOS have likely flashed to an incorrectly read and truncated BIOS. The ones that I've seen have a 61K filesize, but the correct production BIOS filesize is 128K.
Dave in the other thread Wizzard already concluded this is not true.
I have the production BIOS. I have compared the filesizes of both those w1zzard has on his download site and one just captured in that thread to the production BIOS - they are different.
The tools that people are using to capture the BIOS with appear not to be capturing the full BIOS.
there are too many threads on the same topic, a merge is badly needed I think:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=192906
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=192759
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=192937
+ other HD48xx related threads where failures are also reported!
Try to get in touch with Wizzard at techpowerup if he's not responding here? If it's the bioses being spread there.. ow boy not good :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Baumann
Edit: also, I wasn't sure it already been admitted that those whose card died without flashing were lying?
While that isn't impossible, accusing people of lying when we still have insufficient information about the cause is a bit rude, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian
Which is why I posted the above, I share your feelings on that subject. Mainly because I believed the posters who said they done nothing, and I don't enjoy being lied to so I'm just hoping this stuff does not turn out to be limited to some xs users doing things we know can kill hardware as I gone out off my way trying to defend this site and it's community from exactly that perception.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
Edit: and I posted an alternative in the other thread since I can't believe Wizzard would say it weren't the bioses if he weren't certain. Could be the server is truncating dowloads from Techpowerup resulting in corrupted bioses. But those wouldn't flash anyway I believe. In all cases, this is a strange happening right here.
its fixed thanks to w1z
http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/...ng/vidcard/152
Yep :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeB12
I think what you are describing is a kinda back-lash for the boy that called "Wolf!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Edin
Due to the power of the web and the rumour mill the news we recieved in the UK was that the new HD4870's were failing left right and centre! :eek:
I spent a little while reading through the threads here and it did become quite clear that people had tampered with their cards in some way and when they stopped working a few guys started complaining "What's this junk that ATI are releasing!"
While overclocking and modding and tweaking are fun some people need to get it through their brain that there is always a risk in completely destroying your precious new toy, it's happened to me before (once or twice cough!) and only make me more cautious when I approach things in the future.
As such I personally never overclock or tweak any new hardware until I am sure its running A1 tip-top at stock, that way at least when I start abusing the poor hardware and it goes tits up I know where the problem came from! :doh:
It's you Edin, right now you are the king of the XtremeSystem nOObs, all hail King Edin nOObzilla! :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Edin
P.S: I'm glad alot of peeps have got their cards working again, hopefully in the future they may all be a bit more cautious when modifying their lovely new shiny hardware! :up:
I'm going to go with: 1. Don't flash the BIOS (bad idea anyway, imo)
2. Don't OC (yet)
3. Qimonda sucks.
maybe they do, maybe they don't. but the problem we had on this forum had nothing to do with Qimonda and everything to do with a completely understandable detail overlooked by us in the OC community. the problem was fixed and all's well now. Qimonda didn't do anything wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swatrecon_
Yeah, none of the revived cards had memory die so it really isn't GDDR5 or Qimonda at all.
Not yet anyways. Hope it stays that way.
I'm amused by the fact that people are blaming Qimonda (I couldn't comment on the quality/durability of their GDDR5, only their DDR2 ICs, and yes, it sucks) for their own BIOS flashing shenanigans.
when are the samsung or hynks boards coming outQuote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar