is the 9850 really already released or is this website playing a cruel sick game with me? lol
http://www.compsource.com/ttechnote....X&vid=34&src=F
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is the 9850 really already released or is this website playing a cruel sick game with me? lol
http://www.compsource.com/ttechnote....X&vid=34&src=F
Yes it's true showing also at finnish online shop :P 215 euros in stock about 2-4 weeks
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Originally Posted by GunterFalstaff
Oh this is gonna be fun...Thier B3's at that..
http://www.overclock.co.uk/dept/AMD-Phenom_276.html
are they actually in stock though? were they actually officially released? if so im placing an order now... lol
:yepp:
:up:
wow there out of stock already...
AMD is back in Black :cool:
does anyone have any idea how far the 9850 can clock? i thought maybe it would clock a little better since its a new chip and also a black edition... if this thing can reach 3.0ghz i will be happy. heh
Me too, I'll finally be able to laugh at all of my E6400 friends who have crappy mobos or n00b OC skills.
Whats the clock? 2.5Ghz?
Probably, it makes sense... I don't think it will clock very well though, if it could clock to 3Ghz, then we would be seeing higher models out right now.
By pricing it higher than the Q6600 G0's either AMD is insane, because these won't hit anything of the same price/perf ratio when the intel is clocked. Or they simply are pricing for OEM's and placing it between the Q6600 and Q6700. Probably the latter but it doesn't help us on XS.
I think prices will drop if some volume is available..
Heres to hoping Phenom FX parts show soon... and dual socket 790FX boards. :D
lol
AMD couldn't get the 9600 black edition for weeks after its launch and then here goes an etailer presaling one of their products not launched yet. $50 says that 2-4 weeks is actually 2-4 months
As upsetting as that is to hear I think I'll agree with you.
eh me thinks not the case this time maybe 2-3 weeks most like last one:)
Brother What gives you so much optimism about the weeks? :D
The HD985ZXAGHBOX is 2.5, with the 9750 at 2.4. Fairly encouraging to see these appearing on vendor sites - hopefully available soon.Quote:
Whats the clock? 2.5Ghz?
If AMD gets the 9850 & 9750 out at the same time as the B3 9550 & 9650 refresh, then it probably means that B3 is clocking better than B2. I don't think AMD could have released a 2.5GHz B2 CPU when many of the B2 Phenoms could barely OC to that speed.
I'm hoping for some good prices on these Phenom CPUs. VR-Zone reported a price cut for AMD CPUs on April 7th, so hopefully that means even cheaper Phenoms than current, with the 9500 costing $189. With the Q6600 moving to $225 in April as well, AMD will be forced to sell all their Phenoms at or below that price point... the 9850 won't be as fast and even the 9950 will still be slower in some apps.
again, encouragingQuote:
Newegg and TigerDirect will carry the new Opterons in frequencies ranging from 1.8 GHz to 2.4 GHz. Vendor estimates put this e-tailer ship date in early April. AMD roadmaps also indicate the Phenom and Opteron lines will reach 2.6 GHz before this Fall on the new B3 stepping.
215 euros ? Sounds goodQuote:
Originally Posted by KeZzZu
And 205 euros for a 9750, in stock in a week.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeZzZu
Weeks? I got mine within one week of launch, including shipping time.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
Oh, and also triple-cores on the way, also within 2-4 weeks.
8450 - 130 eur
8650 - 145 eur
8750 - 163 eur
For comparison, prices for Intels in the same store:
Q6600 - 230 eur
Q9300 - 267 eur
bit strange how come there is no info on amd site bout the 9850?!...
see this
It's marketing. All online etailers do this to attract attention and orders (high caps on early orders).
It's shipping since early March to OEM/system builders and end of March to the [r]etailers and is not supposed to be on sale for customers till April along with B3 8450/8650/8750/9150e/9650/9750.
KTE, maybe you should wait and get one of those B3 stepping phenom to replace your dead phenoms.;)
go KTE get some b3's :up:
global oem sales (not pre-sales but actual shipment) for b3 revision starts first week of april, so expect retail 1-2 weeks laterQuote:
Originally Posted by AliG
yep correct, they are actually a bit ahead of schedule (i know it sounds silly but it is looking only at release of b3 revision)Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
according to http://www.hpsales.co.uk/extra.asp?pn=HD985ZXAGHBOX
AMD PHENOM QUAD 9850
HD985ZXAGHBOX
Out of stock - Restock Date: 01/04/08
This site has the 9850 priced at $279.30!
So, apparently the actual date that we will see these processors shipping is April 1st?
Yeah and the X2's and other Older Phenoms get a price cut too...in April That is.Quote:
Originally Posted by GunterFalstaff
OK, I'll see if I can get it later on... no promises.
but they probably have faster overclocked CPU than yours :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Loser777
Barcelona clocked at 2.4. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by quik_2_win
We might hit 3ghz with a BE afterall.
Slightly off topic but has JDEC gotten the hooks out of their asses and release 1066 SPD Ram standards yet????
I'm curious if these phenoms will work with x64 os without issues.. if so i'm thinking about getting one..
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Originally Posted by GunterFalstaff
You all know what April 1st is right?
:p:
A long time ago, a long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
http://www.jedec.org/download/search/JESD208.pdf
They are fineQuote:
Originally Posted by Oese
same with Intel quads
both support X64
=]
I think he was referring more to the 4gb+ instabilities with x64 windows and a phenom.
I can attest to the instabilities discussed. I have spent 3 months trying to stabilize a rig with 4x2gb memory. At first it was 4x1gb, that didn't work (tried two different vendors) with the MSI K9A2 Platinum. And now MSI has removed the northbridge multiplier from their BIOS, FSB overclocking is very limited. My rig still isn't stable... it just randomly hangs and still occasionally does a cold boot loop when trying to get into Vista Ultimate x64. I'm actually running the memory at rated spec DDR2-1000, but the CPU is at 2.75GHz. After trying about every combination I can think of for settings I believe it is the memory controller that is the most unstable.
Does anybody have any ideas if the B3 stepping has any improvements on the memory controller / northbridge?
If these new Phenoms cannot hit 3GHz then I might throw in the towel. Too manu promises, too many unfulfilled. The spider platform sounds nice, and the 3870 video cards are pretty sweet (I'm doing some hard modding on a spare next week with upgraded caps, inductors, and trimmers to see what I can push it to).
Intel CPUs are hitting 4GHz easily on air.
MSI won't put northbridge p-states back into the BIOS for reasons unknown. It all makes you want to switch to the "other side"...
I meant the very limited overclocking under x64 environment.. dont want to switch back to x32, i'm lucky to have x64 after 3 years of using 64bit capable processors ;)
2,75ghz with windows x64 is the best number i heard of until now ;)
i really hope b3 gets rid of all these limitations, want to get a good ocin phenom to drive my 3870's...
MagnumMan: as to which is your board: switch over to dfi instead of intel :D but 4x3870 is not possible on the dfi boards.. nevermind, 3x3870 is the sweetspot anyway...
MagnumMan - did msi ever fix the hardware issue on the K9A2, and/ or do you have one of the affected boards? http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/01..._the_k9a2_cf/1. And now the 'missing' features from the bios in addition...have you considered another board?
Additionally, I have read numerous reports of instabilities from users of Phenom/ Vista64. Not sure where to place the blame, but it seems a trend.
Something must have been changed in the silicon to repair the errata, but until someone can document what that or those changes are there is really no certainty. If I was a betting man, I would bet the l3 cache latency is higher than b2.Quote:
any ideas if the B3 stepping has any improvements on the memory controller / northbridge?
Edit: I misread the board model - I see the K9A2 Platinum is not reported to suffer the issues that the CF model did.
At 2.75G... drop to 2.4GHz and then tell us if you have problems on BIOS P0J.
Quik, heres a decent article on the B3's and what was done to fix the TLB Error. It actually shows a slight improvement over an unpatched B2.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=3260
Thank you for that Daveburt, I thought I recalled reading that article but I missed the description of the 'fix':
...and yet the WinRAR numbers were ever-so slightly higher with b3 / need more testing!Quote:
The hardware fix implemented in B3 Phenoms is that whenever a page table entry is modified, it's evicted out of L2 and placed in L3. There's a very minor performance penalty because of this but no where near as bad as the software/BIOS TLB fix mentioned above.
P.0J wouldn't boot at stock speeds into Vista Ultimate 64-bit SP1 with 4x2gb memory at DDR2-800. Sigh. Same thing I've been dealing with for months. I'm going to try release BIOS 1.3 before I give up entirely on this board. 1.13 was working ok for a while, seemed fairly stable, but now it won't boot properly either. I bet if I take 2 memory sticks out it'll boot, maybe I'll try that first. Still, this kind of stuff shouldn't be happening at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Hate to throw the thread of the subject but im curious what the heck happend to dual core virsions of phenoms agia/puma or something like that? Where are the dual cores?
I'm using Xp 64 on a Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe with a Phenom 9600BE(slight overclock to 2.4 and NB@2000) with 4gigs of ram daily as my main system rock solid.(Games and work):confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by spicypixel
will come later..Quote:
Originally Posted by RedBull78
i think amd doesn't want to embarrass themselves... their k8 duallies will be able to beat their k10 ones, and that will look bad for a new product... k10 just can't clock, be it one core or 4, so until amd can solve that problem, dual cores will remain k8 based.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedBull78
Kuma was delayed in late October to mid Q2 for the first.
Ohh WoW. That is bad. They should've first build the k10 dual cores and then quads since quads don't even cover 20% of the market. Wtf were they thinking...Quote:
Originally Posted by cky2k6
quads would have brought in a lot more money if they had gotten it down from the start, that's why a lot more r&d money was put towards it, and they might as well fix their quads since they have put this much time and money towards it and it'll be a while until they get 45nm quads along
All of you guys seem to think this set back is destroying AMD:rolleyes: I have news for you its not! Perhaps its perceived that way on this and other OC Forums but in reality 89% of the PC Sector is mainstream users and consumers that would not know the difference and could care less. Moreover its only the Enthusiast community and Sever segment that is frowning upon this whole situation and of course leaning more towards the the OC Community that hypes this way out of proportion.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedBull78
Does that make us Geeks?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
YES:D ......Just remember I come here so I guess I am a geek as well:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by RedBull78
What really put AMD in bad financial peril was the amount of time it took them to release new products to because even average John Q Public wants the latest and greatest regardless of how well it does. Just like Conroe with the Motherboard situation when they first came out they sucked and had allot of issues but people were lining up for that ass whoopin anyways!:D
Conroe just iced it but before conroe not sure if u remember there was this cpu called dothan i think which gave a glipse of the upcoming tech from intel. If im not mistaken it was the same intel design team that introduced dothan which later became to be conroe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
You are correct and you get the CIGAR:hrhr:
why would they make a "native quadcore" design a dualcore first???? give your head a shake...Quote:
Originally Posted by RedBull78
Because in reality K10h is a server chip. and a damn good one (except for TLB)Quote:
Originally Posted by nunchucka
That's where the money is ;)
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...-amd-quad-core
Not sure if u remember there was this chip called Pentium III.....Quote:
Originally Posted by RedBull78
KTE thanks for the info, although 2.6GHz max is quite dissapointing for a 2core cpu. I think i might get a AM2+ mobo and a 5000BE and wait for shanghai early next year
might well just be that MSI board that has BIOS_bugs :slash:Quote:
Originally Posted by Thesavage
and you might NOT want to overclock a CPU with TLB bug
its the whole point that AMD dont release higher clocked CPUs based on B2 as they might or will make the system unstable if its clocked to high
but all in all B3 should fix this.. :)
I have that combo for couple months no and didn't have any problems so far...Quote:
Originally Posted by spicypixel