Just built a new gaming computer and looking for a gaming mouse and keyboard? What do you think would be the best not worrying about costs?
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Just built a new gaming computer and looking for a gaming mouse and keyboard? What do you think would be the best not worrying about costs?
my vote goes to G15 & G9 :D
The DUO FROM HELL.
G15 and G7. Dont listen to myths about wireless mouses. G7 rocks.
I don't know if the Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000 qualifies as a "gaming" keyboard but it is damn good...
Logitech G15; the first edition
and a Razer deathadder
+1 :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
G5 if you're serious about gaming, G7 wireless is tetchy and, well, wireless. Either that or a DeathAdder - whichever of these two fit your hand better.
Gaming keyboard - no such thing IMHO, except perhaps a MS ergonomic. I'd go for a gamepad - like a WolfClaw or a Saitek Command Unit. Standard keyboards cramp your wrist and hand for long-term use.
Death Adder + almost anything for keyboard. Stay away from wireless mice.
depends on your paws. deathadder is a good proposal but i just sold mine.
4 me theres still only one real mouse. ie3.0 ;)
I'm at my 3th razer diamondback with an notebook-key keyboard from logitech which rocks ass. I like notebook keys, they're so clicky ;)
About the mice. Diamondback. I've had a red one, blue one and now a glossy white one (1.6 click!)
I use a saitek Eclipse II keyboard and a Logitech MX Revolution. Both work great, are comfortable and pretty durable.
You should probably try out the keyboard and mouse before you buy them to make sure you do indeed like them.
Razer Lachesis and Razer Lycosa are the two best available until they come up with something else. Already got the Lachesis and got my Lycosa on the way now that ive had a tester of it :D
I use a MX518, has served me very well. Keyboard is more difficoult thought. I tend to like whatever I get used to.
g9 & g15 rev2,not stuff for me,but deadly combination :)
G7, best damn mouse ever. I was against wireless until I tried it (got it on sale). Will never go back. MX518 is on my spare rig.
For keyboards I've fallen in love with Saitek.
http://www.ideazon.com/modules/chang...sp?from=global
I like some of their stuff.
IMO 'gaming' mouses and keyboards are completely overrated and blown out of proportion. Its a matter of getting comfortable with whatever you use. It seems all too much that 'gaming' mouses/keyboard just equates to the bling factor...... ie LED lights, display readouts, fancy artwork......etc.
This is a pretty good article and worth a read if you havnt seen it already: http://www.esreality.com/?a=longpost&id=1265679&page=21. Doesn't cover the latest and greatest newer mice, but very useful. Find the sensitivity settings which you are comfortable with, and get a good mousing surface.
Personally I use an MX310 + Ultra-X keyboard combo I got from ZZF for $15 shipped. With the USB polling rate patch, its among the best 'gaming' mice on the market out there. Doesn't look as pretty though, but hey - gets the job done, cheaply, and damn well if I may say so.....
i use an $8 logitech keyboard, and a G5, i've used G7 and Revolution, the wireless just don't even come close to comparing to wired.
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Originally Posted by Miwo
To the OP, ignore comments like these from people that dont have much of a clue.
Heres how it works. Lets say you use a desktop resolution of 1600x1200 (not very common, but an easy number to work with).
If you have an ordinary conventional 3 button with scroll whel mouse that is 800 DPI (dots per inch), then in order to move your cursor (or trigger in a game) from one side of the screen to the next you have to move the mouse by two inches (one inch of movement = 800 dots which half of your screen resolution).
Now if you have a slightly more expensive, but midrange 1600 DPI gaming mouse, you would only need to move the mouse by one inch to cover the same area of movement from one side of the screen to the next (1 inch of movement = 1600 dots).
At first you might feel like a faster mouse is far too quick and you are innacurate with it. This is however because your hand and wrist are used to dragging your old 800 DPI mouse for two inches back and forth, so that when you get one that is twice as fast, your hand will need to get accustomed to it. The best way to do this is just play your games XD.
Now if you play at even higher resolutions, which a lot of people do, a higher mose DPI becomes a neccessity in order to play comfortably at those resolutions. at 2048 x 15** whatever it is, you would have to be kidding if you think a Razer Lachesis is over rated and a conventional £10 800 DPI mouse is good enough for every day use. You would likely end up with sooo much wrist strain that you will end up damaging your trigger hand from the amount of dragging you would need to do on your mouse.
Basically, when it comes to picking a gaming mouse, use this information to find one that is suitable for your screen resolution. For example, my 1800 DPI Razor Diamondback is perfectly responsive, quick and strain free to use on my 1280x1024 monito. Any higher at this resolution would be a little too responsive, but my old 600 DPI conventional mouse was a complete joke.
Once you move up to a decent DPI mouse, there is no going back.
Also with gaming keyboards, Macro Keys make them all the worthwhile. Fed up of pressing 1-3-4-2-1-5 every few seconds in an RPG to activate your skills? Assign them to a macro key and just press one button to do the same thing. Also if your using lots of forums and are fed up of typing in your user name and password everytime, guess what? You can Macro them :D
Also I forgot to mention just how great extra buttons on your mose are. For example in a usual 3D game using the WASD movement on an unrestricted movement camera, you would need to press 'W' to run, and the 'A + D' keys to naviagate left and right, but also use your mose to move around comfortably while doing this. Now the fun part comes if you bind the action of the 'W' key to an extra mouse button, like one of the extra thumb buttons on a diamond back. You press the mouse button to run and move the mouse to navigate.
OMG you just freed one of your handz!!! :rofl:
My Vote goes for the Razor Lachesis and Tarantula as quite simply the best ones you can buy. They look a LOT nicer with their sleek black layouts and bright lighting compared to the techno geek Logitech ones, and are bound to get attention from visitors to your bedroom too ;)
Now as for accuracy, I have my Diamondback set to maximum speed 24/7 with 'Enhance Pointer Precision' Activated in the windows mouse setting. It is pinpoint acurate, goes where I want it to, and is a complete pleasure to use. It just makes me wonder how much better the newer ones are, but the ordinary diamondback is perfect for my use :)
i have a Logitech G5 mouse and G15 keyboard. i love the mouse, but the keyboard sucks for typing. cheap feeling buttons. it's a good gamer though - i love how it disables the Windows Start button.
If you loved the Tarantula you should try the Lycosa, Its absolutely brilliant.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
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Originally Posted by Scubar
I dont actually have either yet as I am using a Saitek Eclipse 1, but I really want a macro keyboard but cant afford one yet.
From what I read the Lycosa is actually a cut down version of the Tarantula which has no extra macro keys, which I think defeats the point of buying a gaming keybard for macro keys. You want to have the extra buttons if your going to use it.
I have a Eclipse Saitek- blue edition or whatever...its all good, but CS:s got me mad and I broke the space bar. So it would only click if i hit the center...So I emailed them, twice, within 2 weeks, and ended up getting a NEW keyboard in the mail and two weeks later a space bar key? lol random
I was also one of the first to order the Razer/microsoft Habu, because I liked the intellimouse 2.0(I believe). Besides no Driver support, its a good gaming/ high sensitivity mouse
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Originally Posted by Miwo
for keyboards...maybe
but gaming mice are a necessity if you want to win
imagine players of equal ability where all have a midrange optical mouse and keys
the other has a 3g sensor lachesis with the gravity gun, reload, melee weapon and crouch jump set to his additional mouse buttons
he has better action and accuracy, can own you by toileting when he needs a reload,
melee you and then headshot someone behind him before they can lock on............all while typing boom headshot with his macro'd keyboard
then speedskate away while changing audio tracks in media player
That guy is me :p:
i'm not an amazing player but i'll top the scoreboard 9 times out of 10 thanks to my setup
now give me a generic 5 button opti-mouse and watch me come at the bottom
- as happens when I game on the usual server I play when on a different pc in town
the higher sensitivity mouse the better imo.
MS standard black keyboard ftw!:lol:
Tarantula + G5 2007
Love the combo!
Though I might get a G15 rev2
Keyboard: Logitech G15 (Rev 1) (bigger LCD, and more G keys)
Mouse: Logitech MX1000
Gameboard: Wolfking Warrior (awesome for FPS, perfect layout, takes a bit to get used to)
Gamepad: Logitech Rumblepad 2 USB (for driving games, and BF2/2142 Jets and Heli)
Mouse: G9 (for bigger hand). Or something from razer (lachesis) for smaller hand or if you like smaller mice
Keyboard: G15/G11 or razer lycosa/tarantula
Try all these :)
Off topic, but for someone who's used a G5, how does the Deathadder compare? I use about 8 grams of extra weight in the mouse.
MXR is waaaay too heavy for gaming imho :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by cloned
u talking about the G5 weights? I had G5 v1 & v2, never used any weights, nor do i use any of the weights in my G9 - i said to myself "y the hell would I wanna shift *more* weight, use *more* energy etc etc :D - i'm a lazy bastard! " :D :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by cegras
I have one of those lying around here.. somewhere.. its not bad. careful tho, if u have a fetish for leather, u might find one hand on ur keyboard & the other NOT on ur mouse! :rofl: j/m :D :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Emerica
LOL There are so many inaccuracies in your post it is not even funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
First, You don't get wrist strain from moving the mouse a freaking 2 inches. Why do you think most "pro" gamers use mousepads that are any where from 11 inches wide to the amazing 17 inches wide. Because THEY WORK. You get more accuracy and better control the slower your mouse is. You don't need the 4000 dpi NEW G9. I am using a Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical at 400 dpi and when I had my Deathadder I was using 450 DPI. Most pros use 400-800 DPI for a REASON.
Second, I have a G15 and I HAVE NEVER EVER EVER used the Macro keys. Even playing WoW it was simpler to press 5 2 3 1 1 1 5 4 2 3 3 then have a macro that I could never stop. There is no reason to use more than maybe 5 macros.
Third, you say that for maximum accuracy to enable Enhanced Pointer Precision. That means you are turning on mouse acceleration which makes your sensitivity vary based on the speed of the mouse. This hurts accuracy not improves it.
how come u could never get the macros to stop?Quote:
Originally Posted by .sentinel
G15(old) and a trakball!
dont u? really? oh so *u* dont - good for *u*Quote:
Originally Posted by .sentinel
any reason to believe the OP is a 'pro' gamer?Quote:
Originally Posted by .sentinel
i always thought they had big mouse pads was not cause of the constant large distances covered, but those quick erratic wrist flicks they do in FPS (180, shoot, 180) :shrug:
theres a new G9 with more DPI!? :shocked: - i 'need' the extra DPI. u might be happy @ 400-450DPI, but lemme ask u, do u have to transverse 4x 21" CRTs? no? I do, & doing so is a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: @ low DPIQuote:
Originally Posted by .sentinel
i've never heard what DPI 'pro' gamers run around on tbh, but if u could provide a link that would be superQuote:
Originally Posted by .sentinel
so what if *u* never used the macros - plenty ppl do. plus macros arent the be all, end all to those g-keys; as bhavv mentioned, the g-keys can become *anything* u want (almost ;) ) shortcuts, passwords, usernames etc etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by .sentinel
once again, totally subjective - if it hurts *ur* accuracy, tough bikkies, others like it/ want it/ need itQuote:
Originally Posted by .sentinel
@ OP: i used to run around max DPI in software *&* max DPI on my G9 (hardware) - subjectively, i found this too fast for me, the mouse was jittery. I found the sweet spot to be: max hardware DPI (3200DPI on G9 i have) & 5/10 - 6/10 on software DPI scale. i found that maxing the software DPI was the main culprit for jitteriness. With these settings, all I have to do is adjust the hardware level DPI on the mouse, depending on what game i'm playing or what i'm doing. I use lower hardware DPI for very fast FPS games like Q3A, & higher ones for slower FPS (GRAW & FC). & I hate mouse acceleration, so i dont use it :D :up:
Razer tech support is very bad, and I highly recommend staying away from their products at all costs. Logitech mice are just as good, if not better, and they are much more reliable.
I love the RAzer Diamondback 3G.
Logitech G11 / 15 [ old ] the new version with orange ambient led sucks deep and hard.
Razer Lachesis .. holds great is great for work and gaming and looks sexi
I'm using it on a Steel Series Black steelpad with SS Surfers and it's a heaven walk working with it [ Phothoshop , 3DSMAX ] and gaming.
Really, you can get all of the recommendations in the world but what it comes down to is actually trying the mice yourself. Go into your local computer store can see which one of the recommendations feels the nicest in your hands.
probably a dumb question, but anyhow - u USA folks have that opportunity, yes? trying mice'n'keyboards that is..?Quote:
Originally Posted by Emerica
i cant think of a store over here that has that kinda set-up opportunity :( - all the mice i've ever bought, i've had to go by reviews & recommendations like the ones in this thread - it makes buying a mouse a wee bit exciting :D
Oh wow, little did I know. Stores like BestBuy and Circuit City here setup the mice and keyboards as testers.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss
y? cause u dont like its looks :shakes: or it doesnt 'work'? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kondik
u guys are lucky like that - i dunno about the eastern states here in Oz, but over here in the west - no such thing! u either get to 'feel' a mouse/keyboard that a mate has or... play the mice/keyboard lottery :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Emerica
NetPlus used to do it, before people complained about having sticky residue left on the mouse. Fortunately, most mice I've bought have come in conforming packaging, allowing you to feel the shape of the mouse through it.
Yeah, I have seen this as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoulsCollective
:confused: they complained cause... did NP sell 'em?Quote:
Originally Posted by SoulsCollective
Retailers here that leave the testers out always try to sell them as "Open Box" items.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss
that is sooooo gay - cant ppl use their :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing brain - have the mouse testing table, & provide a box of baby wipes, everyone with common decency will use one before testing.. & every so often (depending on amount of testing) a store employee can wipe down the mice, sheeesh *lame*
I would be pissed if someone sold me an "Open Box" mouse, that is just gross.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss
Still love me good old MX510 :D
they should just buy *one* mouse (of each type/model, ie 1 G5, 1 G7, 1 G9...) then have that as the demo mouse - so everyone only ever tests *that* mouse.. when the mouse becomes EOL, throw it out & claim it on tax! :D (dam i'm getting good at this, should start my own business lol)Quote:
Originally Posted by Emerica
http://peecee.dk/uploads/022008/xx1.jpg There is your link that gives the mice that pro gamers use. There is a reason they use the mice and there is a reason they use the low DPI
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Originally Posted by .sentinel
You *CAN* stop macros.
And you might not get wrist strain so good for you. I have arthritis so I need minimal movement on my mouse.
And most *PRO* gamers actually use the fastest mouse they can find. Not a single person is going to use a 450 DPI mouse on a 2048 wide resolution.
And the benefit of bigger gaming mousepads is that you have the freedom to postition your mouse wherever it is easiest to use.
You fail and grossly underestimating the benefits of a faster mouse for gaming on higher resolutions.
of course u can! (psst, i think its user error ;) :rofl: )Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
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Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss
User error from someone using a 450 DPI mouse, and wasting money on a G15 never ever to use macros :rofl:
I went from a Microsoft Intellimouse to a Razor Diamondback and the difference was phenomenol. I have pinpoint accuracy with it at full speed in everything I do, and it is far better then the crappy old mouse I had (Intellimouse is somewhere between 400-800 DPI, I only bought it cos it was a tenner). I also paid £30 for a Razor Exactmat with gel wrist rest. Before I couldnt even play for two hours before my hand ended up incredibly painful and stopped moving, now I can play all day :)
I remember the game I was playing the most when I got my Diamondback was Worms Armaggedon. I used to have little tourneys in my room at uni with my mates and when I went from Intellimouse > Diamondback, believe me that saved a heck of a lot of frustration when moving the screen around.
BTW to the person that doesnt use the macro on their G15 - Would you like to swap it with my Saitek eclipse plz? ;)
... so u gave me a list of the mice they use *meh* - still nothing about actual DPI used, i dont even know some of the mice on that list - i recognise the mx518 - doesnt that have a max DPI of 1600? so who's to say they dont have it pegged @ that? dont get me wrong, i have no idea & would love to know - but u havent given anything convincing, sorry!Quote:
Originally Posted by .sentinel
meh, if he likes 450DPI, let him be, each to their own...Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
have u tried G9? whats the DPI on ur Razor? Which Razor mouse is the one with 4000DPI (is it a laser mouse)?
Mine is 1600 actually (I thought it was 1800 but thats the newer 3G one).Quote:
Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss
4000 DPI is the highest on the Razor Lachesis, you would never need that at 1280x1024, but believe me it is incredibly useful at 1940+ pixel width resolutions. I havnt ever had the opportunity to try it though. If I get a bigger monitor not only would I need a better mouse, but better graphics too.
I can play any game and navigate in windows without ever moving my wrist which is exactly what I need. the comfort level is astonishing for someone who usually breaks something when lifting heavy objects ;)
I just used a measuring tape to measure my mouse movement. I only need to move it by exactly 1/4 of an inch to get the cursor from one side of the screen to the other. i navigate it be pushing with my thumb and little finger only, and can compete in high end PVP in Guild Wars perfectly and play healer in just about any MMO without ever missing heals at all.
If you have ever played Guild Wars, an Infuse monk with a 4000 DPI mouse >>>> then an Infuse monk with a 450 DPI mouse. Just about every proffesional healer in Guild Wars that I have come across uses a high DPI mouse. Not only do you need an incredibly quick mouse with pinpoint accuracy, but also incredibly fast reflexes. Most teams can kill an opponent in less then a second, and there are actually players out there that can prevent those deaths O.o. And yea, theres a $100k prize anually for GW PVP, so that counts as a proffesional game, unlike WoW ;)
You cannot cannot cannot heal in high end PVP play in GW using a 450 DPI mouse. No way is it possible. You would be far too slow and detrimental to your team. There is actually a special edition Razer Guild Wars mouse too based on the death adder. Its probably the only MMORPG where you require a fast mouse for high end play to have a better advantage.
no offense, but i dont quite get the correlation u make between screen res & mouse DPI - admittedly i didnt read it slowly & carefully, but thats cause i feel mouse DPI is subjective, & a choice totally up to the user (& in my case, the choice is independant of screen res). Just to throw a spanner in the works :D i run my monitors @ 1280x960 & my mouse @ 3200DPI :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
*Back on topic without the flame war*
I love how easy it is to push the buttons on my Saitek Eclipse II, but I also love the shape of ergonomic keyboards.
Any suggestions?
P.S. I just switched from a Logitech G7 to a Razer Lachesis. The Lachesis is way better, imo.
I play mostly in 1920x1200 resolutions, also my desktop.
Went from a Logitech MX510 to a Razer Lachesis at 4000DPI. What a difference.
Lot more responsive, more accurate, doesnt feel as jerky as the MX510 did.
End of the day its user choice, there is a wide selection of mice available to suit all tastes.
I use a MS Blue 3-button wheel mouse and I own everyone with it. Nothing more needed if you hAVE MAD SKILLS.
And I play everything, online checkers, online backgammon, I play the flute. :)
Wow bhaav and tiro, you two have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Period.
I can understand high dpi for guildwars when you have to aim at a very big blob and you can kinda snap somewhere in the vacinity and it will target, but when you truly have to aim at something high dpi is absolutely useless. Everyone who plays fps games even remotely seriously needs 4-8 inches just to turn around 180 degrees in an fps game. There is really no point in me explaining to you why that is, you can do your research yourselves with your attitudes. The marketing campaigns ran by razor and other manufacturers are working rather well it seems. Higher dpi mice are like low end vcards with multiple gigabytes of video memory. Exactly same idea.
Some people are low-sensitivity players = they like a lot of mouse movement to translate to less movement on screen. They buy either lower DPI mice (450-1600) or use mice where you can change the DPI.
Some people are high-sensitivity players = they like a lot of mouse movement to translate to lots of movement on screen. They buy high DPI mice (1600-4000).
As long as you have 1:1 mouse movement and acceleration turned off (also known as "enhanced pointer precision"), a high dpi mouse is just as precise and accurate as a low dpi mouse. User preference will decide which one (high [vs] low sensitivity) is best for you. It is subjective. There has been some theoretical discussion about it in the past such as "low sensitivity means you don't have to worry about slightly moving your hand and missing the shot so I'm more accurate" [vs] "high sensitivity means I move a larger distance on screen in less required hand movement so I'm faster" ... but I don't really buy any of that. I think user preference is much much more important. If you can't get accurate and fast with the mouse, it isn't working for you.
The speed of the mouse, or it's ability keep up with your hand movements, depends on the sensor though. A bad sensor will skip or perform badly when you move your hand quickly. Read these links for more info on the performance of different sensors: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1265679 and http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1300293
A lot of people wish Sujoy would make a new Mousescore article with many of the new mice that came out recently but he says he has no time. :( Also make sure that you keep the results he has in perspective. Not everyone moves their hand at 2 m/s.
As for "gaming" keyboards, other than the macro features which some people use, I think that is all marketing hype.
Hey all. My 2 cents. I have used a bunch of these things. Lots. For keyboards, I really like the Logitech G15 V1. I used it for 2 years, and it was perfect. Recently however, I got the Lycosa from Razer. It has a much better feel to it, but the backlighting is very weak. I still perfer the feel over the looks of it though.
For mouse, in the last few years, I have had a Copperhead, Intellimouse Explorer 1.0, Deathadder, MX-518, and now I use a Steelseries Ikari Laser.
The Deathadder had the right feel for me, however it has it's faults. It's teflon feet wore out every few months, and the scroll wheel began squeeking and got very annoying.
I got the Steelseries, and it is BY FAR the best mouse I have ever used. The buttons line up perfect for me, and it tracks so well and so smooth. I HIGHLY suggest this mouse to anyone who likes the Razer deathadder, or even the Logitech G5/MX-518 people.
i never even got to program in my keys with my new, older g-15 before i spilled a brew on it.. again user error.. so much for spill resistant. the o,p,9,0 and { ,[ stopped working even after taking it apart 4 or 5 times to try and clean it up.. doah,, anyone need parts? my death adder works pretty good and my wolfking pad but it takes a little getting used to the wolfking especially trying to type in somthing on a game and having to scoot it over and pull down my 14 dollar logi keyboard. so i just play with the cheapy logi for now..
I've used:
Mice:
Everything made by razer
Everything made by logitech
Favorite:
Logitech mx518 or the g5. I like the size and weight, I'm a medium/high sensitivity gamer but I don't play "twitch" games so the heft is nice for accuracy.
Keyboards
Logitech G15
Saitek Eclipse (old one and new one)
Zboard
Ideazon Merc/fang
smattering of old server keyboards
Favorite:
Ancient HP server keyboard, really firm keys that don't wobble. They do however click quite nicely. All the keyboards I listed are great, it's just a matter of testing them and finding one that feels right in your hands. Decide early if you want the "fang" style gamepad thing on the keyboard, some people like it.. some don't.
My advice would be to go use some mice/keyboards. Decide what size/shape you like of each, and then buy. Don't go overboard however, a quality keyboard shouldn't cost you $100... while a mouse shouldn't tip $75 IMO.
I don't even have a MX518, so I am obviously not biased, but I have used it, and from what I have seen it is an awesome mouse which can be had for around $40. Personally, I think it is the best bang for your buck.
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY REALIZES OR KNOWS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.......Quote:
Originally Posted by One_Hertz
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Originally Posted by One_Hertz
QUIT THE CAPS/SHOUTINGQuote:
Originally Posted by .sentinel
if either of u would care to point out where I claim I know how pros play etc etc etc - feel free to do so
I have merely exclaimed how *I* like to use my mouse EOD
so stick it
:confused: rats, i forgot.. what *was* i talking about... oh thats right! I was talking about how *I* like to use *my* mouse! darn it, ur right, what do I know about something as subjective as using my mouse, shoot! Maybe I should listen to u folks on how *I* should use *my* mouse :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by One_Hertz
please, honestly, everyone knows u dont care how I use my mouse, just as everyone knows I dont care how u use ur mouse - cause its subjective
I like 3200DPI
bhavv likes 1600DPI(?)
u like... (dunno)
.sentinel likes 400-450DPI
& thats totally cool with me! :up: if it works, y do diff right? :)
I have (imho) not attempted to convince anyone here they should use their mouse differently - I feel it would be wrong to do so :yepp: if I have, I sincerely apologise :yepp:
What I dont like from u OH, is saying I have no idea what i'm talking about - that is offensive, as I interpret that as: "thats not how u should use ur mouse, this is how u should use ur mouse" - we both know thats BS
as for u sentinel - ur first post in this thread contained CAPS/SHOUTING - an excellent way to gain respect/credibility :clap: since neither of us care how the other uses their mouse, one last question for u: do u think anyone here gives a rats on what pros use? :poke:
The DeathAdder is still better for low sensitivity gamers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scubar
And of course, the mice that use it's sensor also fall in that category, including the Diamondback 3G and the Boomslang CE. The Boomslang CE is particularly good (if not the best) for low sens.
One of the only people here who has a clue what he's talking about...Quote:
Originally Posted by One_Hertz
That being said, there are players who will do better with high sensitivity, but more will do better on low sensitivity. Most are just mislead by the manufacturers that the higher the DPI and sensitivity, the better you will play. Which is of course a load of crap and a lie. Many players who would actually be better with low sens are using high sens because of how they have been mislead, and many will fight to defend their false (though no fault of their own) position.
This post is not directed at the people who really do do better on high sens, and know what they are talking about.
Am I the only one with a Ikari?? It is an AWESOME mouse and I think some of you folks should try it.
never heard of it! pics? links? funky name! :D :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cptn Vortex
yeah but i think you get used to higher sensitivity, and then anything slower seems a real drag.
ive only got 2000dpi; but even me can notice the diff above 1600dpi....
consider how much you use your mouse; lots.
ive also got "enhance pointer precision" checked in windows mouse properties. - for me without this setting the mouse just is too jumpy...
:shrug: and pointer speed fast.
ive gone from your standard 400 dpi then to 800 then to 1600...always liked/noticed the difference.
is 3200/4000 dpi necessary or desirable? well if you get one that is settable in dpi increments to whatever speed you want then you've got the choice...but it's all just marketing crap anyway.
I was simply saying what works for me. What works for me may not work for others but the OP wanted opinions and I gave mine. It is a lot Lighter than most wireless mice I have use and really comfortable.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss
And also to the guy saying mice with high DPI are useless, it is better to have the option for higher sensitivity than not at all for those with big screens or like being twitch killing nutjobs
"twitching" will only get you fragged in competitive fps gaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by cloned
see my previous post on high sens...
respect bro respect, i realise this, was just adding my 2c - hence the 'imho' at the end :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by cloned
i used to game with the MX1000 (good overall mouse) - i got used to the weight (all -w mice are gonna weigh a wee more due to battery) - but then I gave it to my Mum, got myself a G5 - what can I say, my lazy-arse wrist thanked me :rofl:
When I did play FPS games I still found it better with my high DPI mouse?
I dont actually like my diamondback because it isnt fast enough and
I wouldnt mind a better one.
Ok so your playing an FPS. You need to move your mouse by 4 inch to target me. I move mine by 0.4 inch instead, already have you triggered, and the fire button pressed in half the time it takes you to move your mouse.
Player skill is based on reaction speed. A fast mouse improves your reaction speed.
Im sure that if you have a 5000 ping you can play just as well as someone with 500 ping. No actually you cant. Seriously if you yourself dont have hands on experience of a faster mouse in competitive games then dont talk as though you know more then someone that has been playing them for years. A 450 DPI mouse is completely fine for anyone that hasnt used a faster one. Once you get a Faster one there is no going back. Higher mouse speeds are perfectly accurate. I really dont know why people bother commenting when its a case of 'I' dont need or use a fast mouse, therefore you dont need one either.
I play on a 19 inch monitor so why does anyone else need a 24 inch one? Dont buy 24 inch monitors because I use a 19 inch one therefore 24 inch ones are bad ^^
Correct me if im wrong, but I remember the name of this forum being Xtreme Systems. Spending hundreds and thousands of your £££ or $$$ on a high end gaming system and using a £10 mouse and keyboard just kind of defeats the whole purpose of having a great system. You can make do without macros yes. But once you move up to a higher DPI mouse, you will never want to go back to a 400 DPI.
Except for the majority of the total reaction time comes from the person taking the X miliseconds to realize he has to do something. The time taken to move the mouse is usually less than that. And you with you 0.4 inch movement will not target properly at all. You miss by 0.05 inches and thats basically it for you, while the 4inch guy can miss by that amount and more and still shoot you in the face. You can see who is playing with hidh sense very easily in pubs. They are always randomly spraying at peopleQuote:
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seriously, both of u, give it up - its pathetic..Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
bhavv, ur happy using ur mouse @ what ever settings tickle u pink
OH is happy using his the way it is as well
EOD
let it be, sheeesh
You can have the greatest reaction speed in the world, but if you fling your crosshair 3 inches past the enemy, you are dead. I play high DPI, low sensitivity because it allows me to move my mouse an exact distance on the pad according to the screen. This larger distance allows for more error vs. high sensitivity where a little amount of error will move the cursor half way around the screen.
There was a couple post mentioning the mx1000. This is a wireless mouse. Does the wireless cause lag ? Please do not respond about it unless you used one. I use one and see no input lag.
I had the mx1000 and its horrid for fps games. I really liked it for anything else though, nice and big and comfortable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Deel
I have the MX revolution which is wireless and I honestly can't say I feel any lag at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Deel
used to have it - never noticed lagQuote:
Originally Posted by Big Deel
Here it is: SOOOO good. it looks like a Left handed mouse but it is definitely not. Very very comfy mouse. http://www.steelseries.com/us/produc...er/information
Sweet mouse! Macro buttons on a mouse can only be a good thing.
I hope Razor can put macro on their mice.
Does the Ikari one light up?
no, it has a little LCD screen that is useless as it is on the bottom, and there is a little white LED to show if it is on Low or High DPI setting.
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On my CRT, no lag.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss
On my LCD's, there was some lag. It became too slow, prompting my upgrade to the Deathadder which is the greatest mouse ever made. It completely eliminated all mouse lag on every LCD I have tested.
yeah I used CRT for the record, so no idea how it goes on a LCD...Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulburner
being a non-LCD fan, can someone (Soulburner?) explain y that happens please? (CRT = no lag, LCD = lag); it stirs my curiousity :D :up:
Here are some pics of the Ikari guys. Very Very nice.
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8...sizexv1.th.jpg
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http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/9...sizexv6.th.jpg
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some interesting curves there :up: thanks! :)
The monitor used will have absolutely no effect on the mouse.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss
However, input delay (delay between LCD receiving signal and translating into instructions to be delivered to pixels) and response time (delay between a pixel receiving an instruction to change colour and it actually doing so) of the LCD can cause the position of the crosshair displayed on the monitor to be some milliseconds behind where the crosshair is in the game engine - thus, if you move the crosshair from one position to another, it can appear that there is "lag" where the crosshair takes a few milliseconds to move. In actuality it has already moved, you're just seeing things a few milliseconds behind.
This problem was most evident on old LCDs that had very poor response times, but on most modern, high-quality brands the delay is negligible.
(note to the pedantic - I realise my above explanations of input delay and response time are not 100% technically correct, but it's a good way to think about things for the newcomer)
yay! all i heard was: stick to CRTs lol, j/k cheers :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by SoulsCollective
you should try an A4tech X-750BF laser mouse. 2500DPI on thy fly! :up:
On my LCD I feel no lag from the mouse.