OCZ Cryo-Z Reviewed at Tweaktown

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/132...ted/index.html

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Final Thoughts

As an owner of the Mach II GT, I can tell you that phase change is not something you use every day. I am sure there are going to be several people who purchase the Cryo-Z with the hopes of using it for day-to-day computer tasks, and if you bring a set of earplugs this might be something you can pull off. As for me, I will stick with using phase change for when I am looking to make a really good 3DMark run. Phase change computing tends to do very well when going for a top ten record as long as you have the additional hardware to push into the extreme overclock territory.

When looking at the Cryo-Z and comparing it to the Mach II GT, several differences stand out. The mounting system for the Cryo-Z is much better and you do not have to purchase additional hardware to mount the system to different motherboard platforms. Also, since the Cryo-Z uses foam instead of the black sticky thread (goop) you end up with a motherboard that does not have a permanent mess all over it. Both the Mach II GT and OCZ Technology Cryo-Z cool the processor right around the same, even though they use different compressors. When it comes to cost the Mach II GT is around 899 US Dollars and the referee is still out on the Cryo-Z, but I would expect the final cost to be lower than 499 US Dollars.

The biggest problem I have with the Cryo-Z is the build quality. If the rumors are true then it is this reason why we are just now starting to see these coolers being made available to the public. If all of the units OCZ has in stock are like our sample then there will be a few people who are not going to be satisfied with the product based on appearance alone. OCZ is going to have to be creative with selling these units. Maybe a disclaimer to the case’s build quality will need to be put on PC Power’s website or another run of cases can be made. Many enthusiasts have taken their Mach II products and placed them inside Lian Li V2000 cases, a conversion that takes little effort. Maybe OCZ can purchase a number of V2000 cases and make the best phase change cooler ever by doing the mod themselves and bundling the case with the phase change system, and delivering it to enthusiasts under a 599 price point.

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When can i buy one?

Very interesting, wonder when they'll hit the store shelves though. Not very promising on the build quality, maybe I can scoop one up for cheap.

I am sorry but that is not a review. Using a tec for a heatload on a phase change? wtf

Even if it's as cheap as $299, I'm not especially impressed. Terrible build quality of this particular unit. Hopefully this was a damaged one.

Even though TweakTown's test system is great for comparing coolers, you can't transfer those directly into real-world use. And most of all, this is an enthusiast product that's not meant to compete with other air coolers ...

Last but not least, how much real load can it handle? Can I overclock a quad-core? 120W is not much when you start bumping up the frequency and voltage...

//Andreas

does OCZ realize it is March of 08?

Damn you guys are fast, I didn't even get a chance to post it.

Anyhow, the TEC works very well and the numbers are very close to what I get on my Mach II GT.

As for the testing method can anyone suggest a better testing method? The test bed is so accurate I can go back and retest any cooler and get results that are within .1 C of the first test.

I am sourcing a QX9775 now and as soon as one comes in the Cryo-Z will be tested in a follow up article using the proc. I didn't get a chance to test it on a 'real' proc because of the missing heater that goes on the back of the mobo.

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Originally Posted by Highendtoys

Damn you guys are fast, I didn't even get a chance to post it.

Anyhow, the TEC works very well and the numbers are very close to what I get on my Mach II GT.

As for the testing method can anyone suggest a better testing method? The test bed is so accurate I can go back and retest any cooler and get results that are within .1 C of the first test.

I am sourcing a QX9775 now and as soon as one comes in the Cryo-Z will be tested in a follow up article using the proc. I didn't get a chance to test it on a 'real' proc because of the missing heater that goes on the back of the mobo.

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You mentioned the better testing method... A processor... Or build a load tester like chilly1 uses and crank it up to 240 watts...
If we can't get results at that load them it isn't worth it to anyone wanting to overclock quads.
And to say TEC blocks are the best way to test isn't true at all. This is the first review I have ever seen with that test method being used.

I think a good way to see how it react in live bench or something is to put some different processor and compare @ Sotck and OCed (about the T°).

So bad this unit seems to be a 'damaged one', I hope I'll be able to get one for a "complete" and Extreme (in the Phase change side for sure) review.

Maybe a video with the real core T° and the displayed one in Stock IDLE/Bench and also another with OC IDLE/FULL.

Maybe something like a Q6600 / E8500 / E4300( or E6600) that cover the "majority" of usable CPU.

This type of unit isn't targeted to cool down as QX9650 or 9770 I think but I could be interesting to see how it react...

An other think is -> OK the design is a point, Performance is another one, mounting too. but this unit should be 'Inspected' by someone that have build Phase change unit or that have knowledge to say oki this is good thinked or should be changed or something like that.

So bad that's only 110V but Europe and US rules aren't the same.

It says in the "review" that the gases used was R507, is that "supposed to be" or really R507 ?

I guess that was a rumor that OCZ will use a "special gases mix".

That's all folks \o/

This is what bothering me most in this review.
Max Stable Load: 120W

Why would anyone that get a SS if it's designed for 120w load?

The one i got (custom built) is designed for over 230w load on a quad core. I cant see this one hold a quad subzero with some OC on it (QX9650@4+)

If it cost less then 300USD it need to be adjusted for more load. Lets hope it doest cost over that.

hrmm.... simple question.. on a scale of 1-10.. how easy would it be to move a phase unit into the bottom of a v2000?

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Originally Posted by Highendtoys

Damn you guys are fast, I didn't even get a chance to post it.

Anyhow, the TEC works very well and the numbers are very close to what I get on my Mach II GT.

As for the testing method can anyone suggest a better testing method? The test bed is so accurate I can go back and retest any cooler and get results that are within .1 C of the first test.

I am sourcing a QX9775 now and as soon as one comes in the Cryo-Z will be tested in a follow up article using the proc. I didn't get a chance to test it on a 'real' proc because of the missing heater that goes on the back of the mobo.

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Show me quad overclocking and I'm happy :) ;)

//Andreas

It costs 400$...

How loud is the compressor? I was under impression you can get these things to be fairly quiet, as long as they aren't allowed to vibrate.

I'm sorry, but I don't see the point of this. If you want 24/7, get a good air cooler or watercooling. If you want overclocking sessions, go for dry ice or LN2 or just make a bloody phase change system yourself. Where's the fun of overclocking and modding and everything if you just buy the damn thing pre-built?

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Originally Posted by Cpt.Planet

I am sorry but that is not a review. Using a tec for a heatload on a phase change? wtf

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Umm, how else do you want the phase builders test their units? TECs provide consistant heat output and also can be controlled to give out just about any level of heat you want (within your needs anyways). CPUs are good for testing hsf, but for phase a tec will be a better stressor

Poor review product. Seems as if they're having QC issues down their supplier.

I always dislike visiting TT because of the amount of ads/popups, loading each page takes much longer and the page keeps making Firefox jump to high loads even after full load. :(

And yeah, test some real loads please. We have plenty of CPUs with more TDP than that at stock. If it struggled at ~-21C for that low heatload, it won't keep a decent quad oc much subzero, if even that.

I'm dissapointed, mainly because this will be Usa only :(

Then again, price withstanding, a custom build ss will do better temps I recon, and I understand for Ocz it would be a logistic nightmare offering the unit for sale outside the Usa.

@highendToys

I'm sorry, but allot off people were hoping for a good 24/7 unit, and your statement about phase being for benching imo only holds up with cascades. A good ss with proper insulation and heating elements can for sure be a viable 24/7 cooling solution, though no I don't have first hand experience with it. I have a ss, just not using it. Yes it's loud, but it's caseless, and my wc is pretty noisy to because I prefer lower temps over silence. Think I'm not alone on that either, and if you don't have your system in your bedroom why not? I know people who have mini fridges near their sleeping area ( lazy bums! ... or wait, small apartments :D ) and they don't mind.

It's something allot off people can grow accustom to, and those who frequent SilentPCreview aren't the same crowd as Ocz is targeting this on.

I'm sorry, I just don't agree with the review's tone.

I will be waiting for a follow up when you get the heating element and a proper cpu to test on.


@Troufmann, isn't the q6600 when clocked hotter then the QX9650 or 9770?

So they got this out finaly. I saw first news from this unit ~8-12 months ago and then it vanished.

But anyways this is basicly cheap piece of ****, useless due low cooling power and bad quality. Only good thing is nice looking casing and i won't see this in europe.

*Offtopic/nonsense*
If i wanna SS i rather make it by myself, i have already parts for waterchiller so i have to only have to buy evap and suctionline.

Well I actually am very interested in the hold down and evap head but I'll wait untill someone else get's a hand on a unit to review!

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Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian

I'm dissapointed, mainly because this will be Usa only :(



@highendToys

I'm sorry, but allot off people were hoping for a good 24/7 unit, and your statement about phase being for benching imo only holds up with cascades. A good ss with proper insulation and heating elements can for sure be a viable 24/7 cooling solution, though no I don't have first hand experience with it. I have a ss, just not using it. Yes it's loud, but it's caseless, and my wc is pretty noisy to because I prefer lower temps over silence. Think I'm not alone on that either, and if you don't have your system in your bedroom why not? I know people who have mini fridges near their sleeping area ( lazy bums! ... or wait, small apartments :D ) and they don't mind.

It's something allot off people can grow accustom to, and those who frequent SilentPCreview aren't the same crowd as Ocz is targeting this on.

I'm sorry, I just don't agree with the review's tone.

I will be waiting for a follow up when you get the heating element and a proper cpu to test on.


@Troufmann, isn't the q6600 when clocked hotter then the QX9650 or 9770?

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You guys are going to make me tear apart my QX6700 system aren't you?

For most system noise is just as important as performance. At a solid 68 dB the unit is not quiet and neither is my Mach II GT, the only other phase change unit I have worked with. Also remember that the article was written for TT, so mainly gamers and mid range enthusiasts and not for XS members who sleep with compressors in their bedroom :)


For the question about R507 and 120 watt, these are the specs listed in the manual, the only numbers I was able to locate.

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Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian

I'm sorry, I just don't agree with the review's tone.

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+1 :shakes:

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Originally Posted by Highendtoys

You guys are going to make me tear apart my QX6700 system aren't you?

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YES please :up:

Don't want to sound harsh, and I forgot about the original target group for the review. But, pretty please please put a good load on that thing and report how it holds up! :yepp:

Edit:.. why am I still slightly enthousiastic.. won't be available here in the EU anyway.. Maybe it will lower the prices off units which can be bought here though.

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Originally Posted by Highendtoys

You guys are going to make me tear apart my QX6700 system aren't you?

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Yep. Afterall, phase isn't for running 1.2V 3GHz QX9650, we have $20 coolers for that. :D

You are perfectly right, majority of the world will never run or bother with such a beast at home or ever. But xtremists only recognize their own wants (:D).

This product was and is intended towards the xtreme oc enthusiast. The guys who want phase, will never want to run easy air/H20 volts/MHz. Heck, we have people running 1.5V 4GHz Q6600 G0 on H20. Thus to test the efficiency of that product;

Throw 1.4-1.5V on it at 3.8-4GHz with a B3 C2Q with Prime95 v25.6 and let's see idle vs. load. :yepp:
Or better, 1.5V 4.5GHz if you have a QX9650 handy.

I've got nothing against your review, we appreciate it as always, but we also appreciate much more which we're looking towards you to do now :up:

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Originally Posted by Highendtoys

You guys are going to make me tear apart my QX6700 system aren't you?

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Pretty much, yea :D

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Also remember that the article was written for TT, so mainly gamers and mid range enthusiasts and not for XS members who sleep with compressors in their bedroom :)

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Why publish a review of phase change cooler at a site that doesn't appeal to readers looking for them? ;) :)

//Andreas

All right then.... but it will have to wait till I wake up. It is almost 6AM here so when I get up in 6 hours I will start a fresh build with a quad core that I have some good numbers on with a Mach II GT.

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Originally Posted by Highendtoys

All right then.... but it will have to wait till I wake up. It is almost 6AM here so when I get up in 6 hours I will start a fresh build with a quad core that I have some good numbers on with a Mach II GT.

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:up: :kissbutt: :hump: :toast: :banana2: :banana: :banana2: :cheer:

Hope that shows how much I appriciate that.

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Originally Posted by Highendtoys

All right then.... but it will have to wait till I wake up. It is almost 6AM here so when I get up in 6 hours I will start a fresh build with a quad core that I have some good numbers on with a Mach II GT.

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:clap: :up:

//Andreas

I said it before and still think it would be better if they made a chiller of it. How many guys are running phase and how many are running watercooling? A chiller should be cheaper to make.

Now post some OC results with that unit compared to the mach2gt please :yepp:

Take your time...

You have 24 hours counting from now :)


Just kidding mate :stick: :D

Looking forward to it, I'm sure we can wait. Quality is what we're after; you have a stringent and arduous test setup and methodology, would be a waste to leave it short of complete coverage of the paramount bits.

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Originally Posted by ownage

I said it before and still think it would be better if they made a chiller of it. How many guys are running phase and how many are running watercooling? A chiller should be cheaper to make.

Now post some OC results with that unit compared to the mach2gt please :yepp:

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But with a chiller you have afaik a greater risk off condensation or leakage, and a chiller would be larger to. And since people will want to put more then just the cpu in the loop ( probably ) you need a stronger compressor, larger condensor ect making it again bigger/heavier and more expensive to fabricate I think ( maybe the evap + suction line off a direct die system add allot to the costs so cutting them might make up for some )...

Sorry but have to comment here;
TEC is not suitable to load test because wattage consumed will change with tempreature differences, and its a very spread out heat load test. Also since its a heat pump your absorbing more heat from the surroundings. Second, phase is easily a 24/7 manageable prospect. Many run 24/7 without problems.. Saying this matches a mach is very odd indeed and something I have trouble to beleive. All together I would not rank this a review, or even a proper testing of the unit under any grounds. Builders do not test with TEC's easier Ali, we use heat cartridges and meters to tell us what wattage we are applying to the evaporator. Lets wait for a real review guys k? And good to know the mountings at least somewhat "decent".

I am going to argue with the opinion that phase cannot be used 24/7 due to noise. That is utter garbage. There are phase systems designed to run virtually silently. I know, because I built one, and its sitting next to me right now. And I cant hear it. I can hear the small water pump in there, but not the phase system that is cooling my qx6700 B3 at 3.3 ghz with an evap temp of -43C on 75% load of all four cores. Silent.

There are loud fans and quiet fans. To make a broad sweeping statement about all case fans based off of one or two is naive and irresponsible. Same goes for phase.

Well i seen a lot of that build work by someone in the far east a fair bit and would put money on it being them that has done this.

The materials used look cheap and nasty, the over all build my son could of done better, personly bin fodder and very old news but least there has been a 3rd party to give the sub zero a go in the market.

Also after reading the article again a few points.
-No desuperheater coil
-Cooler Express, the problems start and probably don't end there.
-Shoddy wiring and case construction (though I don't think your aluminum has corrosion, that's decently hard to cause ;))
-No fan control.
-Leaving the access valve on the highside available.
-Shoddy insulation.
-How is a tiny bit of bubble wrap "internal packaging".

The amount of problems I forsee are going to be painful. However a fan swap doesn't seem to hard, a recharge might not be too horrendous since they left the access valve on (at least high side, would have to add a low side), and definitly would want toadd a desuperheater coil, if only for the vibration dampening.

Looks like a P.O.S. to me too, and I'm no expert. TEC load-tester?!?! Even I know that that is NOT the way to benchmark coolers...

Need to order one and i will test it how it works, the best review will be on load tester ;)

Regards

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Originally Posted by LittleDevil

Need to order one and i will test it how it works, the best review will be on load tester ;)

Regards

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+1:up:

get one to someone here on XS.
one of the phasechange guys, who know this stuff inside and out.
RunMC, or the ol'bowman... (definatly miss that dude)

that review was piss poor.
half ass, and poorly thought out.

phase change isnt for daily use?

thats news to me.
cause I been running mine for about 5-6 years now.
in one form or another.
its been down from time to time, so I could test other cooling stuff.
but whenever I come back to phase change, its for 1 thing.
daily use - gaming.

yeah, this OCZ unit looks beat.
and its clearly hinted, OCZ really doesnt seem to want to release these.
whoever made them for OCZ, did a crappy job, and if I owned OCZ, I wouldnt want to release these with the OCZ name either.

the good thing is, these still seem like they should work fine.
just wont be much to look at.
which is kinda sad, cause the looks will overshadow the performance.
people always focus on the bad first. ignoring the good.
its easier to talk bad about a company, cause that gets peoples attention, then it is to say something good, cause then no one wants to hear.
people like drama.
so the thing you will most likely hear about these is...
they dont look great.
not horrible, but not good.
ignoring the fact that it should be a decent performer still.
especially at that price.

I really hope OCZ keeps this product around, and gets a new company to work on these.

I don't have any experience in phase-change, but to me the radiator and the accompanying fan (120mm?) look pretty small.

Completely agree with Kunaak. OCZ gives an exclusive review opportunity to a site that admits it is not extreme cooling orientated. It's almost as OCZ is looking for help killing off the product before it becomes available.

And then to judge it's performance using a TEC comparing it to air-cooled heatsinks. Could have at least added the Mach II to the mix.

Ill bite my tongue till I talk with Ryan.

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Originally Posted by Praz

Completely agree with Kunaak. OCZ gives an exclusive review opportunity to a site that admits it is not extreme cooling orientated. It's almost as OCZ is looking for help killing off the product before it becomes available.

And then to judge it's performance using a TEC comparing it to air-cooled heatsinks. Could have at least added the Mach II to the mix.

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According to this it sounds like he did but didn't include it in the review for some reason:

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Both the Mach II GT and OCZ Technology Cryo-Z cool the processor right around the same, even though they use different compressors.

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:shrug: :shrug:

Can the OCZ Cryo-Z compete with a private build phase cooler (in the same price range ofc)?

Well, I'm no expert on this but for 400$ or so you would except much more. You can buy a decent freezer for that money. An that is like a 2 meter tall box not this weak ass piece of :banana::banana::banana::banana:. I've never seen so weak construction on anything before. It's a joke really...

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Originally Posted by BullGod

Well, I'm no expert on this but for 400$ or so you would except much more. You can buy a decent freezer for that money. An that is like a 2 meter tall box not this weak ass piece of :banana::banana::banana::banana:. I've never seen so weak construction on anything before. It's a joke really...

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think the contrary,
people are having very high expectations for something that costing $400, should really be expecting poor quality because of the sacrifices needed to bring the price to that point.

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Originally Posted by bluep3ace

think the contrary,
people are having very high expectations for something that costing $400, should really be expecting poor quality because of the sacrifices needed to bring the price to that point.

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Well people are not blind. Nothing that costs $400 should be poor quality. You can buy a whole computer with that money. What takes more hours to build, and more expensive materials, a computer or this piece of :banana::banana::banana::banana:? I just said that a freezer costs about the same. The parts utilized in this are not that much different from those in a freezer, what makes this weak ass :banana::banana::banana::banana: so expensive? The darn box, that looks made by a retard, or what?

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Originally Posted by BullGod

Well people are not blind. Nothing that costs $400 should be poor quality. You can buy a whole computer with that money. What takes more hours to build, and more expensive materials, a computer or this piece of :banana::banana::banana::banana:? I just said that a freezer costs about the same. The parts utilized in this are not that much different from those in a freezer, what makes this weak ass :banana::banana::banana::banana: so expensive? The darn box, that looks made by a retard, or what?

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C'mon now, I know you're not THAT naive.

You clearly have no understanding of phase and are less merited to judge the product than the reviewer is.

Maybe prices have changed since I bought the phase change units I have, but in my experience I would hardly call $400 for one expensive. Shoot I paid $400 for OP's old Mach I gpu cooler and that was a great deal at the time. I paid $800 for my Vapochill LS and $650 for a custom Baker18 cpu cooler. All 3 provide excellent cooling and except for the gpu cooler I wouldn't hesitate using them on a daily basis.

Looking at this cooler from OCZ, its definately on the ugly side, but not horrible imho. I'll wait on a better review, but if it does a respectible job with a quad Intel and is reliable, at $400 it'll be a bargan. Phase change units are not cheap.

Well I've said I'm no expert on this one but I can still spot a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty product when I see it. Let me put it another way, as by your statement I don't understand how this thing works. For 400$ you should get a shiny new box! Happy now genius?

I think people are failing to realize that for $400 you are scrapping the bottom of the barrel in regards to parts and labor. Just like cars, put cheap parts in and you'll be rebuilding in two weeks time. OCZ should send me one so I can rip out the internals and build something worthy of selling to the public. Waiting for these to show up on ebay :-\

hrm... i'm not big on phase either.. but for subzero temps for 400 dollars.. doesnt seem to bad to me... can easily get a 400 dollar loop that wouldnt do as well... let's hope this product doesnt go down the poop hole for crappy quality control

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Originally Posted by nosboost300

hrm... i'm not big on phase either.. but for subambient temps for 400 dollars..

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Corrected :cool:

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Originally Posted by Praz

Completely agree with Kunaak. OCZ gives an exclusive review opportunity to a site that admits it is not extreme cooling orientated. It's almost as OCZ is looking for help killing off the product before it becomes available.

And then to judge it's performance using a TEC comparing it to air-cooled heatsinks. Could have at least added the Mach II to the mix.

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what did you want them to do? give XS the exlusive review so everyone could see how fast it fails :p:

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Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler

Corrected :cool:

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okay.. i'll have to agree to your correction :p:

maybe if i used it on a celeron or something at stock speeds

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Originally Posted by #su

what did you want them to do? give XS the exlusive review so everyone could see how fast it fails :p:

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Heck, I'd pay for one to find out.:rofl:

You guys keep missing the point. Every site isn't XS. Every user doesn't have an overclocking background or hundreds(thousands?) in tools to "build their own phase". This unit is more in the niche of the TEC coolers of past. For people who sort of know what the scene is about, but don't want to spend the $900 and a week painting their motherboard to get there.

As to the reviewer, he's not suckling Intel/ASUS/Foxconn/ATI's teat. I doubt he has a stack of 15 QX chips sitting around, nor a skid of 8800 cards. If you haven't noticed, a lot of websites out there STILL review cards like the 8400GS. When you're a website that actually y'know... does reviews, manufacturers tend to like their entire regime represented OCZ is the same here. Every user that reads that review may not salivate over the unit, but there's plenty of fools and their money.

As an aside to that, phase tools aren't exactly cheap. To build your own unit you need HVAC experience, you need the gasses, the tanks, a vaccum pump, and a plethora of other goods. Correct me if I'm wrong, but half the time isn't the cost of tooling near equal to the cost of a unit itself? After all, I mean if it were so cheap, and so easy, Chilly1 wouldn't have anything to do with his days.

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Every user that reads that review may not salivate over the unit, but there's plenty of fools and their money.

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So why not share our thoughts and knowledge so google searchers who read this thread realize NOT to spend the cash?

Too bad the OCZ will prolly never see the light in big numbers and surely not in Europe if I read well... might have to go Mach II then...

you know guys I post info for you and it seems next to none of you read it....so here we go again.

We ordered and paid for a large number of units....we had issues with the units and we had massive delays.

We eventually got the units to the USA where we have to hand check each and every unit....we decided we are ONLY going to sell these units direct and to 110V customers only.

Once the units we feel are ok to sell are sold...thats it...NO MORE will be ordered.

now, things can change, but this was the last word I had on the cryo-z.

There is no need to talk to Ryan or anyone else on Cryo-z...i will feed you all the info you need here. With Cebit there was a delay setting up the ability to buy off the PCpower website, this should be sorted soon if not already.

I just got back from snowboarding for a week in France so please give me some time to talk with the office and get some final answers.

Regarding heatload, my first alpha unit was tuned for 180W or so, this unit is not a cascade, it was was always meant to be a BUDGET single stage unit.

Which reminds me, can we see some dual-core action too? Or is it asking too much :help:

QC overclocking is a lot to ask, I think we all agree on that, but we still want to see if it's possible ;)

//Andreas

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Originally Posted by Tony

Once the units we feel are ok to sell are sold...thats it...NO MORE will be ordered.

now, things can change, but this was the last word I had on the cryo-z.

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That's not very promising.:shrug:

As an intro to phase, I was really considering this right up until you said that. I appreciate your honesty though.

This does not mean we only have 10 for sale....i can not tell you how many we have but its way more than you have seen anyone post on this forum.

I have also asked we consider selling the sub quality units to phase builders etc as a way of still offering a cheaper unit that can be re tweaked etc but these will not be covered by an OCZ warranty....this is still under discussion though.

To all...you have to read what I post and not go off hear say etc, I have been 100% honest all along regarding cryo-z including the issues we had and reasons for delay.
Sometimes bringing a product to market proves to be harder than what is actually imagined in the first instance...NIA has taken some times as has Cryo-z and hydrojet....you will see all soon but cryo-z will have very limited availability.

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Originally Posted by Tony

This does not mean we only have 10 for sale....i can not tell you how many we have but its way more than you have seen anyone post on this forum.

I have also asked we consider selling the sub quality units to phase builders etc as a way of still offering a cheaper unit that can be re tweaked etc but these will not be covered by an OCZ warranty....this is still under discussion though.

To all...you have to read what I post and not go off hear say etc, I have been 100% honest all along regarding cryo-z including the issues we had and reasons for delay.
Sometimes bringing a product to market proves to be harder than what is actually imagined in the first instance...NIA has taken some times as has Cryo-z and hydrojet....you will see all soon but cryo-z will have very limited availability.

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Well the selling the scrap one's to builders is imo a VERY good idea, not only for you to cut your losses but it will also mean the prices for custom SS will go down as the base unit would be very cheap. Thread already was subscribed, thanks Tony for being open and honest.

Sure there is a need to talk to Ryan, seems we have a few issues to resolve. No need for you to "feed" me information.

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Originally Posted by Highendtoys

All right then.... but it will have to wait till I wake up. It is almost 6AM here so when I get up in 6 hours I will start a fresh build with a quad core that I have some good numbers on with a Mach II GT.

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Have you given up on this or are you having issues trying to get some numbers from a real processor?

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Originally Posted by FUGGER

Sure there is a need to talk to Ryan, seems we have a few issues to resolve. No need for you to "feed" me information.

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:shocked:

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if OCZ can't get it right (although,,,, nah i'm not even going there), it sure makes me have that much more respect for you guys who do this type of cooling on a daily basis.