[Project] Zero Eight

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Each January for the past three years I've started a new mod project. The past two, I've hacked and chopped my trusty old Lian-Li PC-6000, and beefed up the liquid cooling loop. This year's cooling upgrades would have pushed the space in the Lian-Li to the limit, so I've decided to move on to something new. I've dubbed this one "Project Zero Eight" as in '08 (I know, it's not very creative).

The new victim is a Cooler Master Cosmos...here's the parts list:

Bad Axe 2
Xeon 3070
8800GTS (G80)

Cooled by:

MCR320
Fuzion (washered and nozzled)
EK FC-8800
EK NB-4 Intel
D5

The board and proc will be upgraded to an X38/48 and either a Yorkie or Wolfdale at some point this year. The short term goal is 4GHz 24x7 with the Conroe, which I know will be tough.

Here's a question - should I add a 2x120 rad to the loop? I have a Coolingworks 22T that will come out of the Lian-Li when I break it down.

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So let's get started with the worklog...

First order of business was to strip the case down and remove all the fans:

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Lots of plastic crap on this case...

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First mods:

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Lower drive tray plate removed (drilled out rivets):

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First cuts complete:

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Radiator test installation...

I lined the vertical support panel I cut with door edge moulding, and re-riveted it down to the lower panel of the case towards the outside. Adding the rivets brought the rigidity of the case back to where it was before the panel was cut.

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Just enough space between the MCR320 and the power supply:

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The front most fan will blow air up into the upper hard drive bay, which is one flaw of this case in stock form. By the way, I run 1 drive right now, so three trays is plenty (will probably add another drive though).

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More to come during this week - I need to order some more parts from Petra's!

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01/09/2008 - Minor Update

Tonight I made a mount for the upper radiator and fans. Initially I was going to go all out and fabricate a sheet metal plenum/adapter so that I could use the case's stock "spread bore" mounts for the fans and reduce it down for the radiator. However, due to height constraints inside the case, I didn't want to deal with potential clearance issues afterwards. So, I just did something simple instead...

The material is .22" (5.58mm) thick acrylic.

Here's the plate with the fan and case mounting holes drilled:

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Drawing intersecting lines to find the fan hole centers:

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First hole cut...

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Cuts complete and coating removed. Still need to sand all the edges smooth and grind out screw reliefs on the sides for two of the case's side bezel screws.

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Test placement on top. All the holes line up! :) The lines drawn on the case represent the area that will be removed so the fans will fit in. I might be able to get away with leaving it in, but I'll probably just cut it out...

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Well, that's it for tonight. I'll probably post another small update tomorrow. I'm expecting some parts from a couple different vendors to arrive tomorrow for the work coming this weekend.


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01/23/2008 - Update

It has been a while since I've been able to make any real progress on the project. Work is kicking my butt. :down:

Over the weekend I went out and picked up a new board and proc - a brand new E8400 and an abit IP35 Pro. You better believe I am itching to get this thing built and overclocked to see what she can do. :woot:

Also switched out the NB block for an MCW30, so a few pieces have changed.


Some pics of the CPU:

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That heatsink is wimpy...guess these are supposed to run cool... :rofl:

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The first thing I did to the board was pull the stock cooling off...

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Prep for the NB block...

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NB block installed.

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I have a SB heatsink coming as well as another that I'll be carving up for use on the power regulation mosfets. ;)


Making a mounting bracket for the EK res...cut to length and marked the bend points.

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First bracket - came out perfect, but too deep by 1".

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Second try...just right - the res will be centered and in line with the fillport and pump...see below.

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Test placement...sweet.

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Top radiator plate has been clearanced for a couple panel screws and the fillport, all corners rounded and edges lightly chamfered with a Dremel.

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Pump placement, marked mounting location to drill holes for pump mount. This may eventually be soft mounted with Petra's gel stuff, but I'll save that for later.

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Fillport, Reservoir and Pump all centered and inline...

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Pump holes drilled, pump mounted. Upper rad mounted. Of course I broke the freaking upper res mounting bracket during this mock-up, so now I have to order a replacement. Yay. :mad:

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Fillport clearance. The fill tube to the reservoir clears the radiator to the left by about 1/4" or so, just right.

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That's all for now. I'm waiting for a few odds and ends to finish up the board's cooling mods, and I have a backplate coming for the FuZion too. I plan to finish the board pieces on Sunday, and will hopefully have the major components installed then as well. If all goes well, she should be fully functional by Feb 8-9 (I have to head into the office Saturday and will be out of commission late next week for a couple days, so not much time to work on it between now and then).

01/27/2008 - Update

Made a good bit of progress today...

- Hacked and installed a heatsink for the mosfets
- Installed SB heatsink
- Installed a backplate for the CPU
- Mounted the FuZion
- Blended the pump outlet transition
- Sleeved three of the fans, the pump and the 8-pin extension
- Final mount of the radiators
- Mounted the prepped board in the chassis
- Installed PSU, optical drive and HDD
- Installed loop tubing



Enzotech copper SB heatsink. Attached with 4-40 screws with flat washers, rubber washers and Ceramique.

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I didn't take pictures of the process in making the mosfet 'sink, sorry. :shrug: What I did was take a generic aluminum heatsink for a PIII and cut it to size, then drilled and tapped holes to bolt it to the board. The rough dimensions are 25mm X 60mm. I used a #43 drill bit and a 4-40 tap. It's attached to the board with 4-40 x 1/2" machine screws with a flat washer and rubber washer on the backside. Ceramique is the TIM.

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Test fit of the tube from the FuZion to the MCW30. Later in the build I ended up shortening it by 2" to reduce the flat spot in the bend a bit.

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Thermalright backplate from their 775 "bolt-through" kit. Mosfet heatsink bolts to the right.

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SB heatsink bolts...

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Stock D5 outlet transition as molded.

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Outlet transition blended with a little Dremel action. :D

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The rest of the shots from today's update are from the final build in the case. As you can see, the rads, motherboard (w/ CPU & RAM) and video card were installed at this point. The remaining pics show progress through to where I am now...

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Obviously, I have to finish wiring everything up, then I'll be reattaching all the plastic trim pieces, bezels, etc. Once all that's done, I'll fill the loop and leak test. Most likely I won't get to that until later in the week or next weekend, due to work and some other stuff. Let's hope I have enough pump for this loop. :slap: :D


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02/01/2008 - Minor Update

Here are some shots of the wiring work I did last night. I've also cinched down all the tubing with zip ties.



A couple splitters I made for the radiator fans. Three-way for the lower, two-way for the upper. They wire up to the Sunbeam rheobus - 1 channel per set of fans.

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A shot of the wiring with the three-way splitter for the lower radiator fans. It gets uglier, don't worry...(and will get even worse later in the build :D)

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Tubing finished. I shortened the FuZion to MCW30 tube another 2", and seems to have solved the flat spot issue.

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Note the ancient, funky looking IDE cable. I split and flattened it like 6 years ago and it keeps moving with my systems. The slight yellowing shows its age (no smokers around). I'm pretty sure it's the oldest part I still use. :D

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Rheobus wiring. I soldered and sleeved the three extensions. They're zipped up to the side bracket to keep things tidy. Of course I have to add 1 more for the exhaust fan.

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Wiring is getting nastier. Still under control, and the side panel does latch on without too much trouble. We'll see what happens when I get to the port/control panel wiring a bit later today. :(

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Angle shot. The wiring is hidden pretty well to this point...

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Power supply wiring kept to the absolute minimum, which I like. The 8-pin 12v+ wiring is hidden really well up top by the radiator and tubing, but it's attached (see other shots).

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Be back later with another update and more pics!

02/01/2008 - Update #2

OK...finished the wiring. As I guessed, the top port/control panel wiring slopped it up a bit. There isn't enough slack in the panel wiring to tuck it away and hide it. abit's placement of the port headers doesn't help. The firewire header is way over up under the top PCI-e slot. :rolleyes:

While I was at it, I added some bling in the form of UV CCFL's. I usually don't mess with that kind of stuff, but for once I thought I'd try it out. The liquid is Primochill UV blue...another thing I usually don't mess with. My loops in the past have been just a 90:10 distilled:AF mix (Dexcool, etc). I made an adapter so I could power the CCFL's from the rheobus. Of course, the rheobus is mounted facing the inside, and the UV crap isn't something I'll have on all the time - especially since this case isn't windowed...yet. ;)

I've also reinstalled all the panels and bars, so it's looking like a decent chassis again. The fill port sits under the top panel, so that'll remain off until the loop bleeding is complete. The loop is full and the pump is running now - so far, no leaks. :para:



The view from the top...upper rad fans and fillport.

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The view from the rear...I have a thing for stainless hardware (see fan).

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The view from the bottom...power supply bay. The lower panel/plenum separates the power supply intake from the radiator intake nicely. Both ends are filtered.

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The view from the bottom...the other end. Radiator tucks back to the divider separating its intake flow from the PS. Filtered as mentioned above.

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Top panel wiring. What a mess. :D

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All tucked away and bundled. Not too bad...

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Finally...some liquid in the loop!

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Fans and CCFL's on.

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Lights out. Need a couple more CCFL's to fill it in...

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My 30A hobby PS I use to power the pump and rheobus for testing, bleeding, etc. This thing comes in handy. :)

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More pics later this weekend. I still have to mod my desk, and then I'm going to work on a couple aesthetic items. Think paint and acrylic. ;)

looking good man!!!

i Would mount that dual rad @ the top spacing looks just about right :)

looks awesome !

Yes! This case is just what I need!

Room for 3 hard drives that still have airflow over them with a 3x120 rad, bottom mounted PSU, still roomy.

I will be watching this intently as I'll probably mimic what youve done so far.

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looking good man!!!

i Would mount that dual rad @ the top spacing looks just about right :)

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Actually, everybody is doing the top mount with the Cosmos, but it just increases the temperature inside the case due to lack of exhaust.

With this case, you really have to stick to the original thermal design and keep the top fans exhausting or you end up with a really hot mobo and ram...

I am currently in the midst of watercooling this case myself, and found out the hard way :rolleyes:

Great start, thread subscribed !

Looking good!

Rbs.
:wave:

Thanks for the replies so far everyone...

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Originally Posted by Sy[N]tH

Actually, everybody is doing the top mount with the Cosmos, but it just increases the temperature inside the case due to lack of exhaust.

With this case, you really have to stick to the original thermal design and keep the top fans exhausting or you end up with a really hot mobo and ram...

I am currently in the midst of watercooling this case myself, and found out the hard way :rolleyes:

Great start, thread subscribed !

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Thanks!

I wanted to put a radiator in the bottom of the case to take advantage of the lower intake for that very reason. I'm on the fence about putting a 2x120 up top because it will end up pulling hot air exhausted from the lower rad through it, and ultimately may bring up the loop temperature. Whaddaya think? Would the additional capacity outweigh the increased liquid temp? I have an idea on how to solve the problem...just don't know if I wanna go there...yet ;)



Tom

Seperate loop with the top 2x rad for mosfets and bridges?

That is some clean work you did on the bottom, perfect fit with the rad and PSU.

i have the same case and hate it. it looks great for air cooling, but its a nightmare for watercooling.

putting a rad in the top isn't that warm. i have my pa120.3 sitting in the top and it cools fine.

Looks good keep going man;)

Seems interesting, waiting 4 update :)

Wow!
I like that lower rad mod, looks great!
/subscribed :up:

Looks amazing so far!

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Thanks for the replies so far everyone...




Thanks!

I wanted to put a radiator in the bottom of the case to take advantage of the lower intake for that very reason. I'm on the fence about putting a 2x120 up top because it will end up pulling hot air exhausted from the lower rad through it, and ultimately may bring up the loop temperature. Whaddaya think? Would the additional capacity outweigh the increased liquid temp? I have an idea on how to solve the problem...just don't know if I wanna go there...yet ;)



Tom

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Well, you could use the single back exhaust fan as an intake, and have top dual-rad mount exhausting... might still be worth it...!

Your call ;)

Hey everyone...no real update tonight. I just ordered some stuff from Petra's, so I should have just about everything needed parts wise. I also started sketching out a piece I have to fabricate for the upper radiator (yes, it's going in ;) ).

After picking up some other materials for the upper rad mount tomorrow night, I'll have some sort of update with more pics on Wednesday. I still need to strip down the old loop and get the 22T ready...

Hopefully I'll have some more pieces I need by the end of the week and should have some significant updates over the weekend. :rocker:

Subscribed :up:

Lookin good! I need to mount my rad at the bottom of my case, sick of having it stick out the back.

Hey all - small update added to the original post with some progress I made tonight (1/9/2008). I hope to have another minor update tomorrow night, and then a much larger chunk coming over the weekend. Still a lot of work to do! :yepp:

No update...got home late from work. Some of the new parts arrived, so I spent the evening planning out placement.

Also worked out the upper fan/rad mount - I can mount it from underneath and not have to hack the top of the case, and I get better clearance with the top and side panels. There's a slight obstruction leaving the material in place due to the new fan spacing, but probably not enough to affect flow significantly.

This build on hold for a bit...sorry for the long delay between real updates (you know, with pics). I discovered recently that I'll need a new board - the NB block I bought doesn't fit because the hooks are too tall. Wanted to replace this 975XBX2 anyway, so I guess this is as good an excuse as any. ;)

There's a couple other small things I can do while I wait for it to arrive, but most of the case mods are done.

Looks like some great quality work and a nice water cooling mod.

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Build tip...Do not remove the protective paper from acrylic until the last possible moment. Otherwise, micro-scratches galore. :up:

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Yeah, I hear ya. Good thing no one will even see this piece. ;) (I originally planned on covering it like I have with my last two projects, but I won't bother for that very reason)

On a side note, I went out today and picked up an IP35 Pro and an E8400 (:D). I've test mounted the board and started working out the tube routing - it's a little more challenging than I thought it would be...some tight bends to deal with.

Some pics with progress on Monday...

Very clean, I like it!

Nice layout concept. Well done so far.

Looking good until now :up:

Let´s see what´s next...:D

Updates in the original post, dated 1/23/08...


Large update this time, over a dozen pics added. Some are of my new P35 board and Wolfdale. Case mods are done, so after a few more parts arrive, it's time to get this build done.


Enjoy... :toast:

i read some where you cant mount pump like that just a warning

Really? Crap. :(

Pump is just fine like that. as long as fresh water flows freely into the pump(as it does from res with the way you have it set up), then you are ok. Just no inlet-facing-down-mounts.

Thanks - I thought the gravity feed from the res would be optimal, which is why I settled on this layout. I'll know pretty quickly if it isn't going to work when I fill and do the leak test.

Wow thats cool. I must say from experience, putting the triple rad on the bottom of the case is probably the hottest thing since sliced bread. It tucks away nicely.

Lookin good so far :up:

keep it up

That looks awesome! Can't wait to see it completed!

Very neat and tidy! Puts my (in progress) Soprano hack to shame! ;)

Updates in post #2, dated 1/27/08...

Made some good progress today and got a lot of stuff done (18 new pictures)...next update coming later in the week.

Awesome loop layout. Couldnt have done it better.

Looking forward to the finish. :up:

wow!!! I WANT THAT CASE NOW!!:clap:

looking good!

more please!

Thanks for all the compliments! :D


I have two questions for anyone following this thread...comments/opinions appreciated.

1. What's the best way to eliminate the flat spot on the run from the FuZion to the MCW30?

I'm using 1/2" Primoflex, which does work pretty well. As noted elsewhere in the thread, I did already shorten the run by ~2" which helped, but I think going further than that will make it worse. The other option is to make it a lot longer, which I'd like to avoid.


2. According to Martin's Flow Rate Estimator, the loop should flow about 1.08GPM at 4.5PSI with my D5 vario on setting 5. That plots into the "good" area on Martin's graph, but is that going to be enough?

During the last update, I posted pics of the blending I did to the outlet port on my D5, which should help flow slightly. For comparison, Martin's estimator shows a DDC 3.2 with Petra's top flowing 1.16GPM at ~5PSI. Two D5's (setting 5) in series would get it up to 1.5GPM @ 8.4PSI, two DDC-3.2's w/DDCT-01s tops would be 1.6GPM @ 9.4PSI. I'm going to run it as it and observe performance, but even assuming it performs well, what could I expect to gain with a .5GPM increase in flow?


I happen to be doped up after some surgery I underwent this morning, so if I missed something or I'm not making sense...well that's probably a factor. :nuts:


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Errr...probably should have included the final loop config:

EK Multioption RES150
Laing D5 Vario, setting 5, outlet transition blended
Swiftech MCR320
Coolingworks CoolRad 22T (used MCR220 in Martin's FRE)
EK FC-8800 (G80)
Swiftech MCW30
Dtek FuZion, washer and 5.5mm nozzle

Pump -> MCR320 -> FC-8800 -> CR22T -> FuZion -> MCW30 -> RES150 -> Pump

FWIW - I'm running Scythe S-Flex SFF21F fans (1600RPM @ 12v). They'll be controlled by a Sunbeam rheobus, and I expect to keep them around 9v, but maybe as low as 7v.

awesome.... *jawdrop*

Methodical and clean. I like it.

Oh, and get well soon?!

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awesome.... *jawdrop*

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Methodical and clean. I like it.

Oh, and get well soon?!

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Thanks!

(Nothing major, just had some impacted molars removed.)

i like how u have the pump mounted, most ppl leave it sitting at the bottom making everything look sloppy. looks promising :up:

I am loving this thread and enjoy seeing the updates. I have a question regarding some of the items you have used, on the bottle it looks like some form of black mesh, is that the radiator or did you something else? I have been thinking of using modders mesh on a project.

Good Luck Bleeding With Pump Mounted Like That

very nice!

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I am loving this thread and enjoy seeing the updates. I have a question regarding some of the items you have used, on the bottle it looks like some form of black mesh, is that the radiator or did you something else? I have been thinking of using modders mesh on a project.

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Thanks! I'm not sure what you mean though...on the bottom? No modder's mesh on this one, but I've used it a couple times in the past:

My 2006 project....round hole mesh up front with a 1x120 rad (sorry for the extreme angled shot).

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My 2007 project....hex mesh with 2x120 rad.

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Good Luck Bleeding With Pump Mounted Like That

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Yeah, I'm not looking forward to it either. I knew up front that it would be a challenge.

Yep that's the honeycomb type modders mesh in that last shot.

Ok, so you arn't using any of that this time

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Yep that's the honeycomb type modders mesh in that last shot.

Ok, so you arn't using any of that this time

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Not yet... :D We'll see if I need it. The lower radiator will be covered/protected by the bottom bezel, which acts as a intake plenum and is filtered. After it's up and running, I can easily determine how restrictive the filter will be. I'm hoping it works well so the system can benefit from less dust buildup. :yepp:

Looks good! Everything is very simple and sleek and thats just what I like! Kinda makes me want to get water cooling also =].

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Thanks for all the compliments! :D
I have two questions for anyone following this thread...comments/opinions appreciated.

1. What's the best way to eliminate the flat spot on the run from the FuZion to the MCW30?

I'm using 1/2" Primoflex, which does work pretty well. As noted elsewhere in the thread, I did already shorten the run by ~2" which helped, but I think going further than that will make it worse. The other option is to make it a lot longer, which I'd like to avoid.

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Just an idea (keep in mind I am new to WC) why not maximize the physical distance between the two barbs you are connecting.

Turn the fuzion block 90 Degrees Counter-clockwise and connect the outlet from the fuzion to the the barb on the right of the MCW30 (I am assuming that the MCW30 doesn't have an inlet or outlet as such and either will do).
This should give you enough 'extra' length without making it ridiculously long and avoid your flat spot.

Obviously this might not work due to the layout of the other tubing in your loop.

emu

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Just an idea (keep in mind I am new to WC) why not maximize the physical distance between the two barbs you are connecting.

Turn the fuzion block 90 Degrees Counter-clockwise and connect the outlet from the fuzion to the the barb on the right of the MCW30 (I am assuming that the MCW30 doesn't have an inlet or outlet as such and either will do).
This should give you enough 'extra' length without making it ridiculously long and avoid your flat spot.

Obviously this might not work due to the layout of the other tubing in your loop.

emu

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Hey emu - thanks for the idea. That sounds like it would have worked well, but I've already shortened it another 2", which seems to have it fixed now. If I envision what you described, it really probably would have been the better option. I just finished zipping down all the tubes, so I'm just gonna leave it as is...

Thanks again though, I appreciate it! :toast:


More pics coming tomorrow!


TM

No worries.
You'll have to let us know what the temps are like with that setup! I have almost the same HW (except no 240Rad, cosmos and no NB chipset cooler). So I am wondering how well it cools in one loop as opposed to two.

Excellent work by the way. Hope you've recovered from your operation all right.

emu

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No worries.
You'll have to let us know what the temps are like with that setup! I have almost the same HW (except no 240Rad, cosmos and no NB chipset cooler). So I am wondering how well it cools in one loop as opposed to two.

Excellent work by the way. Hope you've recovered from your operation all right.

emu

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I definitely will post temps. My only concern is that the IP35 Pro BIOS doesn't seem to be quite there yet with 45nm support. Apparently 16.03 beta works pretty good, but reported temps are all over the place. I think I read that CoreTemp still works OK. We'll see what it does. My original plan was to move my Xeon 3070 and XBX2 over and do a direct comparison between the two loops.

One thing I haven't mentioned is that I actually have to mod my desk for this project too (the case won't fit under the hutch without some mods). Talk about Xtreme! :rofl:


I've finished up most of the wiring. The top port/control panel needs to go back on, which has a crapload of wiring itself. That'll probably slop up the nice wire management job I've done so far. Once that's installed, I have a couple pieces of bling to add (lighting), then it's time for all the plastic. Following that, the loop will be filled, bled and leak tested for 24 hrs. I plan to have the loop filled tomorrow! :rocker:

Now it's time for bed... Zzzzzzzzz :yawn2:


As for my recovery, I'm doing fine. Thanks for the concern. :)

Small update in post #2, dated 2/01/08...

I did up a good chunk of the wiring and completed the tubing install last night. Later today I'll be finishing up the wiring (have to add the top port/control panel), and I plan to get all the plastic and bars reinstalled, then fill the loop and start the leak test. Keeping my fingers crossed that the bleeding isn't too challenging. My last two builds used T-lines, so hopefully it's no worse than they were.

Nice job so far on the wiring job....very nice.

Another update today in post #3, dated 2/01/08...

Finished the wiring, reinstalled the panels and bars, and filled the loop. Added some lighting too...

This will be the last update for a couple days while it bleeds. I have a couple other things to do before I can think about posting performance numbers.


Enjoy!


TM

I like that 30A hobby PSU. Im sure it comes in handy quite a bit.

its is looking very good man

lets go !!

OMFG!!! I WISH i had your skills man!! Nice looking case!

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its is looking very good man

lets go !!

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Thank you. :)

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OMFG!!! I WISH i had your skills man!! Nice looking case!

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Thanks! I didn't do anything extraordinary though. There are plenty of modders that put my 'skills' to shame. :yepp: With the right tools anyone could do the same stuff I did. You just gotta do it! :up:

Awesome case, but I think it needs more lighting, it looked dark with the lights off and ccfl's on. Maybe 12cm led fans would help.
Nice work!

Yeah, I totally agree. I was thinking of adding a couple more CCFL's, but I'm not sure...was looking at other lighting options too.


Thanks!

Hm, that Primochill doesn't seem to be very UV reactive... bummer.

great case and great mod!

i'm waiting e8200 for my ip35 pro :D

Looks great! Temps?

OK, finally getting around to posting some results. I really just finished it up and did some testing late last week.

Using the latest beta BIOS for the IP35 Pro, my Wolfdale is running 4GHz (8x500) pretty effortlessly. I think I could push for another 200MHz or so, but it just doesn't seem worth it. This chip isn't the best out there...it takes 1.37v loaded to keep it fully stable (Prime). I spent less than 20 minutes setting up this OC - seems too easy.



CPU: 4GHz @ 1.37v loaded
NB: 500MHz @ 1.41v
GPU: Stock clock G80 GTS, no volt mod

Pump: D5 vario, setting 5 (est. ~1.08GPM)
Ambient: 23C
Fans: ~7v, est. 1000RPM


Full load core temps with Prime small FFT: 58C
Full load PWM temp: 53C

(PWM idles around 43C - my homebrew heatsink seems to work well).


Not sure what to trust - Core Temp states the TjMax at 105C, but some testing results presented by unclewebb here and a follow up post here indicate the real number to be 95C. unlcewebb has commented that the DTS are only accurate in the 35C range running up to TjMax, so anything under 60C can be off... I suppose it's possible my peak load temp is closer to 50C, but I'm happy if Core Temp is accurate. The system is relatively quiet with the fans at 7V.


Screenshot at 8 hrs Prime stable:

http://moparextreme.com/img/project/...Guru_thumb.jpg


I'll be overclocking the video card soon and will post temps with both the GPU and CPU loaded...

Great project you just finished here!

Very nice - how is the pump's performance in that configuration?

Flow seems very good, so without having the means to measure it, I'm guessing it's not impacted much, if at all. During the bleed of the loop, the return line from the NB block was churning the water quite a bit inside the res (still is, just isn't as visible without air in the loop)...which leads me to believe the restrictions and the pump orientation aren't causing flow problems.

On a side note, the system was fully bled within ~6 hours of run time. I like having the res instead of a T-line.

Amazing!
Subscribed, pants wet, the whole 9 yards.

I am very impressed.

Very very clean.

Very Clean build! love it when its nice and tidy like that!

I picked up a Q6600 G0 which isn't exactly a gem. It needs 1.5V loaded to run 3.6GHz. Needless to say, it is a power hog, but the loop seems to handle it without trouble. Peak temps with all 4 cores loaded with Prime95 were 62-65C across the 4 cores. That's with a fresh application of AS5, so it could get better with break-in. The problem with the system is that my homebrew mosfet heatsink can't keep up. With the fans at 7v, it was up to 83C(!). Cranking the fans to 12v dropped it to 72C. I could obviously active cool that with a small fan (and I might). In comparison, the Wolfdale at 4.0GHz had the PWM temp at 53C full load - that's a hell of a difference in power. :eek:

Of note is that running all the fans at full speed only dropped the core temps 1C...

the most clean, neat, beautiful and powerfull WC project I've ever seen!

congratulations Man!!!!!!!!

Be sure, If I make an exact copy of this, don't me angry. be proud of a follower.

it seems it's possible to use 2 pa120.3 here, what a great case!
how mach clearance between bottom rad and floor?

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the most clean, neat, beautiful and powerfull WC project I've ever seen!

congratulations Man!!!!!!!!

Besure, If I make an exact copy of this, don't me angry. be proud of a follower.

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Well....thanks!

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it seems it's possible to use 2 pa120.3 here, what a great case!
how mach clearance between bottom rad and floor?

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Without the front filter panel in place, it's ~2.25" (57.1mm). It breathes very well through the bottom. I think if I did this all over again, I might just stick with the lower radiator. A single PA120.3 would work great using the top & back fans to help pull air through - at 5V they would be dead quiet.

Oh man I am loving it, great job! :up:

When the cosmos case first hit I wanted one, after I seen the first window kit installed I wanted one again, but after hours of looking at the case wondering how and the hell I would make my water loop work and still have three hard dives and three 5.25" drive bays filled with decent airflow; I decided it just did not make sense for me to drop the $$$ on a gamble just to have a beautiful case.

I'm glad I waited because you have instilled new hope for this case as an option for me!

Your pump, res and fill port orientation is almost identical to something I had pictured, I'm glad to see it works!