There is the quick mount:
http://petrastechshop.com/dfuquha.html
And the pro mount:
http://petrastechshop.com/dfuprha.html
Has anybody tried the pro mount and see how it compared temp wise to the stock mounting hardware?
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There is the quick mount:
http://petrastechshop.com/dfuquha.html
And the pro mount:
http://petrastechshop.com/dfuprha.html
Has anybody tried the pro mount and see how it compared temp wise to the stock mounting hardware?
Quick Mount uses push pins :down:
Pro Mount :up:
Pro mount looks really nice compared to the monster stock mount bracket.
But will it gain any performance over stock?
Doubtful it will gain any performance. You can always hardmount with the stock mounting set with a backplate taken from a Thermalright or Scythe set.
I'm also worried about the thickness of the mount and whenever if will break if too pressure is applied.
I've got a pro-mount sitting right here, just bought it. It seems pretty solid.
Well put it on and give us some temps momo! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by momoceio
I'm still working on my case :)
Do you still need to use the spring limiters when using a back plate ?
you can use a coolermaster backplate too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xilikon
LMAO, I bought a thermalright backplate, screwed the D-Tek screws through and just use the existing hardware. I have that backplate and those screws with the springs though as they are part of the thermalright back plate. Id just need the bracket!
Never use spring limiters. Always use a backplate. Just hard mount until you feel your pressure is excessive. Then crank another half turn. It's really a matter of touch and feel. You know when you are there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkatom
In other words, you don't want it so hard you break/bend components, but you want it hard enough to feel real pain.
The pro mounts only weak points seem to be the parts that are gonna be under the block already and reinforced by the block itself so it won't bend, the thin parts will want to bend upwards when the mount is bolted down so I see no problem there.
Finish that case momo!Quote:
Originally Posted by momoceio
(like I am one to talk)
Maybe I will get mine all finished (for now) this weekend while I watch the Seahawks CRUSH the Redskins.
(they can eek out the win, as long as they get it, but CRUSHING is preferred)
ok i just took off my backplate - using a screwdriver to tighten made me overtighten the freaking thing WAY too much, as in so much the computer wouldnt even post. i turned it on and it would turn right back off...
i was really impressed before actually testing out this new mounting system, but it has some serious flaws. the stock fuzion kit NEEDS to come with a backplate of some kind imho.
my conclusion - dtek dropped the ball here
Did you remove the limiter springs? I'm not sure how it could be over tightened...Quote:
Originally Posted by brinox
I have the pro-mount, and I used the swiftec backplate (the same black one that every backplate seems to be) and I tightened it down as hard as it would go. I got my fuzion with the pro-mount so I don't know how much better it is than the stock plate, I just like the look of the pro-mount better.
I got the Pro-Mount. Going from the stock mounting using a ThermalRight backplate to this, temps might be about 1c higher, but are the most even across the cores that I've ever seen. 59-59-59-57.
i think i meant to say the pro mount bracket... sorry! i took off the pro mount system (and intricately putting the original steel mounting plate back on without draining my entire loop) and the mount seems to be 10x more solid and consistent.Quote:
Originally Posted by momoceio
the feedback from the stock mounting system is MUCH more conducive to know when things may be too tight, whereas the pro mount system definitely does not.
i think the main problem is the springs put a lot more pressure locally, at the corners (rather than on the entire block, where the original one does very well with that). if one single bolt/corner gets overtightened the system wont post because (my guess) the processor seating changes for the worse.
I ordered a pro mount from here...
http://www.jab-tech.com/Dtek-FuZion-...t-pr-4048.html
Do you have to electrically isolate anything from this mount? I see the center of the bakplate has some foam, but what about at the four fasteners - any fiber washers needed?
I just placed a PTS order for the D-Tek Fuzion Pro-Mount Hardware.
Let's get some pictures up, of how much room there is around the CPU block now. ;)
I installed my loop just today with the pro mount, tightened it as far as it would go. Computer turned on and is working perfectly first try.
At idle, I am getting ~20C on both cores of my E6750 at 3.4GHz (340x8) with 1.51v and C1E and EIST disabled. Not using any nozzle, but I did seal the gap and I am using the liquid metal thermal paste.
Nice man!!Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
Whats load temps?
Congratulations on your install. :up:
I bet it looks allot more open around the CPU....
I'd love to see a picture. ;)
Not sure on load temps I am testing my 2900pro first. So far testing at 928MHz, 1.3v. Load has not gone above 40c. This is lower than my idle temp on air, at a lower speed and lower voltage. This owns, very much so.
We still need a picture of the Pro Mount in action... :p:
Bump! :D
What's up with petra's . That is the most consistently out of stock store I have ever seen. People here say support petra's but I always have to buy somewhere else because petra's is out of stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
uh, I picked up the pro mount from PTS couple days ago. They're top notch, ship to SWE, take PP,no complaints here, can I get a woOt woOt?
i think maybe my mainboard is to blame for such a bad time with this mount so far - i have a BFG 680i sli (nvidia reference design) and it has issues with the backplate.
maybe ill try it again once i get my striker II formula next week...
The stuff is always OOS because ppl are supporting Petra. You just have to time it right or be patient (<-which is quite a problem for most of the ppl here for some reason :down: ).Quote:
Originally Posted by dengyong
I've got mine! I'm waiting for a new motherboard before I put my new mount to the test. If I took some pictures they wouldn't be any better than what you can see on the Petra's website so I'm going to use them.
http://www.petrastechshop.com/dfuprha.html
In this first image you can see what you get for $11.99 + S&H. It includes screws to attach your D-Tek FuZion block to this mount. The white material is what keeps this mount from shorting to your motherboard.
Attachment 71003
In the second image you see the completed assembly. There are no instructions in the box so you're left to your imagination.
The bottom of the FuZion block is held on with 4 3/32" allen-wrench screws. At least I believe they are 3/32". I didn't have the proper size allen-wrench but I had a Torq screwdriver that was just large enough to use to remove them. Once you have the screws out you use the include Phillips screws so that your new mount looks like the image below.
Attachment 71002
Here's an image of the allen-wrench screws on the bottom of the FuZion block.
Attachment 71007
I didn't have a grip on the fact the ring actually is secured to the block using it's 4 bolts. This will for sure have an ultra clean look mounted on the mobo. :up:
Mine is still in route from Petras, but has been sent out the door.
whats wrong with the current solution? :s
Not a thing, but the stock ring on the D-Tek can cover some of the coils around the CPU. I think the Pro mount will allow better air flow to all the chips around the CPU.
Mostly, I think it is for looks myself, but it may actually give you firmer contact between block and CPU?
Not sure though...
There is no backplate on the "current" solution...
But when you buy a separate backplate, there is no real advantage ;)
The mounting looks identical to the Thermalright LGA775 bolt-thru kit (same backplate with the same square sponge to insulate, same screws with springs). It's almost look like D-Tek sourced them from Thermalright then add the bracket in the package and be done. If it's what I think, the bolts has a integrated stopper so you just screw till it stop and the spring will be working at the optimum pressure, making it much easier to have consistent mounts without any guesswork.
I have tried lots of times over the past year and it seems out of stock is the norm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
If I have to get the out of stock parts at another store that actually has all the parts I needed then I might as well get them all there.
I manage a service based business and I understand that if I consistently run out of a product I need to increase my stock so that it doesn't happen again.
I wish petra the best of luck, but you can't sell it if you don't have it.
To the OP, sorry about the highjack.
Only thing ive noticed that theyre out of stock of for a long time is Thermochill radiators... and they arent the easiest to get ur hands on so i understand them...
oh and some parts wich is continued, but says out of stock anyways...
You mean discontinued ?Quote:
Originally Posted by eXa
Given that the pro mount is pulling at the corners of the block where the normal mount grabs the length of each side, there is a question here as to whther there is a temp difference between the two mounts.
That is why folks are curious.
Well a few people have reported drops of 1-2c.
If more people confirm this, I may be tempted to get one myself. This would be easier to use than the current system and help with more consistent mounts.
I think I'll build this myself.
The original Fuzion retention plate is indeed quite not practical enough for my tastes. I'm using Thermalright's backplate with the block already so nothing else is required except some simple cutting and drilling.
anyone have a picture of this thing installed on a mobo?
Mobo install picture will be posted soon.
I have received my D-Tek Pro Mount kit, and my general impression is good.
The backplate feels much stronger than it looked to me in the picture. I don't think there will any problem with it bending...
I also think the ring feels plenty beefy too. I think it should do an execllent job of keeping pressure between block and chip! :up:
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1624/pic107kz8.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3924/pic108og8.jpg
Mine is on!! ;)
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1913/pic113nk4.jpg
Note: The mounting bolts on the pro-mount do stop themselves when they have decided you have tightened them enouigh...
This should help keep the mounting pressure more even.
That's what I thought. Make for a braindead simplicity of mounting so I'm in for one... I'll bug NCIX on ETA as they are out of stock unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Talonman
Do the temps look great or you didn't run it yet ?
Not running it yet... ;)
You may also wan't to know that the bolts don't detach from the ring. They are one locked unit. It's a bit trickey on the install.
You put your tim on the chip.
Pull the protective strip off of the stickey tape, on the backplate.
Wilst pressing the block in what you deem dead center of the CPU, extend one bolt at a time through the mobo to make the connection with the backplate. I think the spring has a tiny bit of pressure on each leg, right from the get go?
Try your best to have the backplate in the correct position, when it makes it's initial contact with the mobo. The tape is ready to grab.
Once you get all 4 started, and the backplate stuck, your on easy street. :)
That is how I did it anyway. No instructions are included, so you have some room for creative differences...
That's correct, you need to put some pressure to engage the bolts. It's the exact issue I experienced when trying to mount my old Thermalright SI-128 with the bolt-thru kit, which looks identical to the one from D-Tek (That's why I thought there may be a sub-contract to provide the backplate and bolts).
It is really the suppliers to Petra's not them. I have spoken with them a few times and when they only receive half an order it is not their fault it is the supplier. The only reason anyone else has stock to purchase is because everyone already drained any supply petra has.Quote:
Originally Posted by dengyong
Talonman,
Thanks for posting the pics.
Would you happen to have one of the backside of the mobo with the backplate?
Thanks. I noticed that the springs on the pro-mount do not look like they are very compressed. Does it feel like there is adequate pressure on the CPU and tight?
The springs on the pro mount is much stronger than the springs on the standard mount. I think it's giving enough pressure but only a test will show this. I'm awaiting for NCIX to get them back in stock and I'll order one myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snyxxx
System is up and running! I has some stability issues until I took one of my presious 2GB memory sticks out. Now I have just successfully MemTested on my last 2GB for a few hours (Memtest to 447% with 0 errors).
I just downloaded Coretemp, and it is reporting these temps at idle:
Core #0 21C
Core #1: 21C
Core #2: 17C
Core #3: 21C
Room temp is currently 63.1F or 17.2C
Core #2 is a bit lower than the rest. Do you think I need to change anything, or is that probably about the norm?
I am starting to think the chip may just read low temps on the 1 core, by an internal malfunction?
Now Coretemp is reporting this:
Core #0 20C
Core #1: 20C
Core #2: 14C
Core #3: 20C
Room temp is currently 62.2F or 16.7C.
CPU still at stock speed.
Only thing running on the System is formatting my 750GB drive, and Internet Explorer.
Beside core 2, it looks very consistent across. Push it and see if it get improved since the thermal diode is more accurate at higher temps only (I think, with lots of testing with another [H] member last year).
Anybody else on the Pro Mount yet? :)
If so, how did it work out for you?
My temps worked out well for me: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=176531
Got mine on my desk, not installed yet. I will test it when I receive the last bits for my loop (Martinm210's SF800 couplers and silver Tygon). Maybe I will test it in 1 week.
Sounds good buddy!! ;)
Been running with the Pro Mount for a couple of weeks now.
Approx 3-5 degrees C lower load temp. Not much difference idle temp.
Could someone help me to measure the distance of this and a perpendicular hole please.... :p:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...at/measure.jpg
I will give the measurements but it's home and I currently work. I'll get it tonight.
What MOBO do you want to put it on, that you think it might not fit?
The Pro-Mount fits the standard LGA775 socket well.
It is the same size as the 4 bolts on the bottom of the D-tek that it mounts too.
Here is a clean shot of the pro mount in action:
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e19/mgorius/021-1.jpg
Sweet!! :cool:
Thanks for the posts!
Good to hear... I didn't have a before and after test, to compare the difference in my loaded temps.Quote:
Originally Posted by roger_h99.nor
I got the quick mount. I've yet to of fitted it, i might in a few days as well as some other mods to my block like bowing it perma.
I got the quick mount so i could bench more cpu's faster as i find my biggest down time is changing the block
In about one week I will get mine too. But I have a Scythe Backplate installed with the D-Tek Bolts from behind the Mobo. I will stiil use these and put the Pro Mount on it, I think that should also work. I don´t want to remove the installed Backplate.
Thanx... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xilikon
It aint the mobo, it looks like it will fit with my NexXxos Xp block... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Talonman
That wont work without removing the rear bolts, I don't think.Quote:
Originally Posted by peebee
I have a NexXos XP myself and just today took delivery of a FuZion + Pro Mount + Nozzle kit which will be replacing my XP. When I get home from work I'll take a look to see if the Pro Mount will fit the XP for you...Quote:
Originally Posted by Afterburner
But why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedda
I only remove the D-Tek put the Pro-Mount on the back, put it back on CPU again, take the other springs and tighten it with my knurled nuts again. Pic of a knurled nut if it is not the word you use: http://www.linitindia.com/images/466-L.jpg
We say Rändelmutter :D
That shouldn´t work?
It is the same thing, just another mounting plate with a Backplate.
If I tighten it with thread in the Backplate or the screw-head is pulling the backplate is not really a difference, is it?
Excellent ! thanx... :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xav
peebee :
take a look at the pics from post #47.
You'll see that the 4 corners of the mounting plate are a little lower than the block itself.
So it might interfere with the curled nuts.
This might be resolved (must be confirmed by someone) by using a very flat washer between board and nut.
Ah no! I don´t take the nuts only, I put the springs over the promount and then I tighten the nuts from above
I think I know what you mean.
Like this?
Mounting stud > Scythe backplate > board > washer > hex nut (um ans board fest zu schrauben) > pro mount > washer > springs > washer > thumb nut (Rändelmutter).
You got it! That is the way I thought ;)
Does the Pro mount kit is so much better than the Quick mount kit? I ask because i can get the quick mount next day delivery but for the pro mount i have to wait like one month :mad:
If there is some noticable difference i am willing to wait for the pro though.
It's not gonna fit I'm afraid. The diagonal on the NexXxos XP's screws is 56mm wheras the FuZion is quite a bit larger at 68mm. Of course, if you're really set on using a FuZion Pro mount I suppose you could come up with some kind of adapter, but it would be quite tricky to make one that keeps the mount at the right height relative to the mobo so the base gets good contact with the CPU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Afterburner
Yes, I measured the diagonale at 67.5mm and between 2 holes at 48mm.
I'd imagine the pro mount would be at least a couple ēC better than the quick mount as you can't use a back plate with the QM and your limited with the amount of pressure you can apply due to the push pins on the QM.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaosAD
Why do the swap if you keep the stock springs and nuts from the other mount?Quote:
Originally Posted by peebee
There is no improvement.
I will take the springs of the new kit. I think the improvement is the mounting closer to the board, which allows a better and tighter fit of the block. Also the big universal plate is removed and it is more space between my mosfet coolers and the Fuzion block. I wanted to place little sinks on the RIOs.
During several mounts of different water blocks I saw, that a mount closer to the board is more effective and easier to have it mounted more even on all 4 points/screws. That is better if you have an IHS which is not even. You can easily adjust the block to get the best position for all the 4 cores to be cooled. :)
Just a quick question as to the Pro mount of which I received today. Has anyone put a nylon washer at the contact points of the pro mount to the board, and is it needed?
I have a Storm on it now, and it has the nylon washers to stop the metal from touching the board. Just figured the same was needed for the Fuzion, or does it not touch the board when tightened>
Thanks
Larry
I agree about the old style plate covering the caps and coils. On my P5K3 I am using the d-Tek I had to have side ventilation to keep them cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Talonman
That backing plate is nearly identical to the one that came on the Enzotech HSF I just got: same stamped black piece with 4 pressed in studs and very stout springs on limiting thumbscrews...looks like it would limit the bowing of the motherboard.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xav
Thanx guys... :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xilikon
Is the Pro-Mount installed by fastening the screws untill the stopper meets the Board?
Yes, or rather stopping at the backplate raised bump on the 4 corners. It's a no-brainer installation.