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It's going on 2 weeks since AMD released the Black Editions, and I still can't seem to find one here in the US!! Trust me, I've been looking pretty hard too, even stooping to checking Ebay....:)
Anyone have a clue where I could get my hand on one of these?
Or when we might actually see them available?
Like I said when announced it won't materialize for at least 3 weeks after the supposed release date if we keep tabs on current track record of AMD:rolleyes:
Thanks Brother E....
MUST... CONTROL... MY... IMPATIENCE... :slapass:
These parts sitting here ready to go, is driving me crazy though!! :yepp:
I had all these plans for this 4 day weekend...
Hope I don't do something crazy and go buy a 9500 at Microcenter :eek:
7 more days should be it for me. :)
Tye...you gotta get back rolling with the DFI 790FX bro New Bios is Ver, very good;)
In U.K 7th of January is the date ;)
Campbell, I would but I only find out after the 7th if I can try it again. Also I don't think it supports my Crucial RAM properly and DDR2-1066 with Phenom yet. And the last I saw it, it had a lower HT wall than on the MSI or GBT boards with Phenom. Did they get this resolved?
Also I'm just messing around. I'm not a decent oc candidate, everyone else but me would be. I'm just messing since I can get some hardware that's not being used anyway without cost. Rewind 2½ years or fast forward 2 years and I'd love to have tested it properly in a lab with as cold as you can get. Don't plan on doing that until I'm done with my main life goals again.
I can try CoolIT Freezone Elite as well with Phenom BE next, same with Zalman Reserator XT Black Edition, but I really can't be bothered with the hassle of assemble/fix/test/tweak/dissemble repeatedly. The last Freezone I tried was an absolute PITA for me, and the only point of trying these would be if temps/volts were a bottleneck which it hasn't been so far. Just doesn't cut it as worthy to me for testing. Air cooling, specifically Zalman 9700, is just so simple and instant, clip it on and off you go. No need for TIM many times. ;)
Know of any DFI 790FX selling in Euroland?
here in italy there's the official distributor for DFI who sells online www.tecnocomputer.itQuote:
Originally Posted by KTE
if you need assistance for language just tell me :P
HTH
Excellent! These are the benefits of a wide community. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMike
My mother was half Italian and I lived there in my youth so I understand quite a bit. ;) Although its double the price of the GBT DQ6. :(
Also, Phenom BE.... just received email. My uncle has 10 at his workplace since Monday. I'm picking it up as soon as I can. :D
brother is banned?!?!?!?
man i so want one of these suckers.i'm in need of a new cpu now :) must play crysis!
He was banned just before my last reply here.
Does anyone know the reason for his ban?
What is happening with this place ?:shrug:
Search his last posts. Maybe it's in PMs in regards to them.
You are one lucky man to get a BE. Let us know what the performance like.
Yeah i did and found nothing wrong.Like you said,it's probably something PM related.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
I'll post about it in the K9A2 thread later on. :)
@KTE
Do you know price for BE? Are you coming to U.K next week?
I'm asking because I'm interested ;)
I'm here in the UK now actually. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
I might pick up mine tomorrow or Sunday. Are you after one?
Quick, quick, a word from the man... Misco and my uncles workplace had the initial batches delivered at the same time. Probably first EU delivery. They should be in plenty stock there.
EDIT: http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/...296956&CatId=0
Yep. £160, same as non-BE. :D
Great news KTE! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Thanks for head up :D
It's very tempting.... I should wait and sell my 9500 first, but ... :p:
Will discus this with my bank account and wife :kissbutt: :smileysex:
Lol! :lol2:
I thought it was all supposed to stay PG bro :nuts: :D
still no find on the main EU land yet, but we already see phenom 9500 for 148eur and 9600 for 184eur. if it stays below the 200eur i'll buy one for sure.
Whats the price on these things? Same as the other Phenom chips or higher?
found this, not in stock but the price is ~200 eur
http://www.it-express.ch/phenom-23gh...ml?language=en
I already had to endure Christmas with the family. If the BE's don't ship very soon it'll be New Years too. UGH!
Like how long does it take to ship this stuff and get some real results here :rolleyes:
ohh and about "brother is banned !?!?!
Too many infractions in short time period.
He'll be back.
I've inquired about the BE's as well over at www.ncix.com and was told the first week of January.
Yeah I'm still being told that the two I played with were BE's. But my experience is showing the opposite. BE's can't clock decent on HT ref. but do better with higher multi's. Non-BE's are better on HT ref but obviously come with locked multi's.
BE should do better with both, the only difference is BE has no fuses blown for upwards multi's, so in theory you should hit the same HTT with either or CPU.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
You guys suck for finding deals... thats if you were interested at all. :stick: :D
I got emails notifying me of stock early this morning in these places. Been busy.
For US/CAN 9600 BE are in 100+ stock >HERE<
$280US/$275CAN ;)
Lagoom also had stock at $296US >HERE<
Many etailers are taking orders to ship on a special order bases within US.
Nordics had them in high stock in Norway in these places:
http://www.amentio.no/PartDetail.asp...7;c:36124;r:pg
http://www.gs.no/shop/index.wa2?ParentProductId=23893
http://www.strettoshop.no/PartDetail...7;c:36124;r:pg
Japan had them in high stock in these places:
http://www.faith-go.co.jp/lists/view...00000200522057
http://impress.earena.co.jp/fr.html?...A=84.9.193.127
Check this place for Germany: http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/...d=bB-EFsnZHGuc
Should be in stock soon.
HIH :D
Thank you KTE you are the friggin man....going to order mine today for sure.
Just what I figured, they are available, but this early in the game they are gouging........
I saw a 12 Month warranty, but no mention of a reach around.
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by muzz
I've never dealt with these guys before, but I went ahead and bought one from them today. It'll be interesting to see how this chip stacks up against my 9500. I'll keep you guys updated on the outcome. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
I ordered off of lagoom. I've never heard of them either, but the reviews on pricegrabber sounded quite postive for them. Also, the shipping to me from Canada was insane. ($25 for 8-10 business days and $38 for 3-5 business). For the $4 extra it cost (total) with lagoom I got ups 3 day shipping. I'll take that I guess.
Nothing to compare this chip to myself. My last computer was a Socket A Sempron 3000+ (yeah, I really needed to upgrade).
Yeah US has them 7-18 days before EU. :(
Are these b3's or just the black editions?
B2 Black Editions. ;)
Thanks I didn't think they were gonna be out till 2Q. I am gonna wait till then as I am fairly happy with my X2 6400 for my amd rig ATM.
Maybe we will see the B3's at 3.5 and higher :yawn:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Corsa
Just reading the thread about L2 cache size was enough to know. I love AMD, but lately it seems that this small group of fanatics will go at any lengths to ruin these forums.
Beardyman, soldner-amd64, brother esau.... they make the intel fanboys that crap AMD threads look like angels.
Theres the good bad and ugly on all sides. Supporting any MFG isn't bad in itself but behaving like you're some zealot crusader is ludicrously tot intelligence and spoils every community. :)
I always find it silly to no end when people behave like that. I mean really, is that how they get across their beliefs IRL? It harkens back to the Mac bashing days, which are even more silly IMHO. There are much more productive ways to get a personal belief across than attacking something via forum post without adding first hand factual information to a debate. Many people simply don't know how to formulate constructive criticism in a way that is logical in written form. If they took time to actually think about what they're spewing and actually try to add something meaningful to a topic, we'd be all better for it. Signal to noise ratio on forums can get bad at times. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmer411
My personal informal guidelines for posting are:
1) Does it bring anything new and informative to the topic?
2) Is my information first hand, or merely taking the word of second/third hand information at face value.
3) Is there quantitative results in my post, not merely how I randomly "feel" about a certain topic.
4) I realize everyone has an opinion about everything. The trick here is that you don't have to agree at all with anyone else's opinion, yet be tolerant of theirs while hoping that they will do the same in exchange.
Anyways, back to Phenom BE's... ;)
Guys who've ordered Phenom 9600 BE:
Let us know when you get yours, how the service was and where from. :)
@KTE I will, but I don't think either of us will get our orders until at least later in the week. I noticed that the us (and the canadian site) said they were closed today and tomorrow for the new year's holiday. Assuming (and that's a big assumption of course) that mine get shipped on Wednesday then I may get mine next Monday (three day select shipping)
I just got my 9600 BE from Shark Systems today. Just thought I'd let you guys know. It's still in it's box, but I'll be installing it later tonight.
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/317/9600beboxus4.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/8...00becpuoc3.jpg
Nice Brad! :up:
Thanks for letting us know.
Uuuh, MPMW good luck :ROTF:
Sorry, but this is a really crap stepping, but most of the current 9600BE have it.
How do you know?Quote:
Originally Posted by speedlimiter
How many have you seen of this stepping that oc badly to say this?
Here is a comparison of the 9600BE and the 9500 box heatsinks that are supplied. The 9600BE is a much nicer heatsink.
9600BE Left & 9500 Right:
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/359...atsinksuc4.jpg
Good luck making a stable 3.0GHz.
So far from everybody that I have seen on this forum that has thrown $280-$290.00 at one of these Phenom 9600 BE it has been a complete bust and the 9500 seem so far to be the better chip :rolleyes: More Bull Sh**t lies from AMD with this shell game they are playing?
The egg is showing now in stock, no fan
hmmm from the looks of it, i'll keep my system till spring and just update to a 3870 X2 :D
unless i see one of you guys hit 3.2 Ghz then i bee all over one of these puppys.
I'm a bit apprehensive to put too much juice to it, so I'm starting with 1.4v atm. I'm stress testing the 12X multiplier atm. What multipliers are other guys using? I'm looking for a stable everyday OC, not some ungodly one time OC.
To be perfectly real about all of this , I would say the only thing Phenom is good for atm is a stock set up and just too much bull sh**t to get 2-300 mhz for all that aggravation is absolutely pointless and if the processors are not up to the task what makes you guys think these first generation boards are???/ Think about it guys!:rolleyes:
It sounds like you're frustrated, you shouldn't knock others trying though. Stressing the 12.5X multiplier now. 12X was no issue for an hour of stress. Temps at ~40C. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
I'm not frustrated and I am a big AMD fan but lets be real with this nonsense already. Sorry not trying to be a kill joy but this is my observation from what I see nothing more! You notice I am not sporting Intel with that statement right?:D
By all means guys I am not trying to discourage any of you and I'm all for get this stuff working correctly.;)
Terwin: Try for 200x14 at 1.3V. ;)
Keep NB multi and HT multi low for starters.
Brother, brother, the guy I got it off paid $215 for it in batch with discounts (EU price which is usually 30% more), so t'was pretty cheap. -$105 from the Q6600 price.
Hey they are a great deal the 9500 can be had at New Egg for $185.00 which is huge for the price you are getting them but all I am saying is that the BE seems to be bogus hype so far:)
I have the same stepping Terwin, a couple weeks earlier though,Quote:
Originally Posted by speedlimiter
And Mine is NOT a BE....
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...rt/9600Cut.jpg
I bought it on the weekend before New Years, so I've really only had it for a little over a week... I'm sure there are better steppings, but I certainly wouldn't call it a crap! NB at 1953, with low voltage isn't really all that bad!!
(PhotoBucket is on maintenance.... :down: )... So, I'll ramble for a few minutes... I had it at 2.53Ghz (220x11.5) and everything seemed stable. I even played F.E.A.R. for a couple hours with no problems, but then I left it to FOLD overnight a couple days ago, and it crashed overnight.... :(
I lowered it to 217x11.5 (2.496) and it's been rock solid for the last few days, even with the high NB speed, SMP Folding on all 4 cores, and I've never seen it go over 38c!!
My advice would be go easy on the V's for the first few days, bump them up slowly... I raised my CPU V's all the way up to 1.43 to try and make HT/220 stable and it still didn't help! I lowered it back to 1.275 dropped it to 217 and it's been good for days... I was going to send you a screeny of my settings to try and help as a baseline, but PhotoBucket is still down...:mad:
Good Luck Man! And keep us posted!!
If I'm still up and PB comes back online I'll post it for ya....
just as a heads up, the phenom BE is in stock in the uk too now (ocuk got them).
Depends. If you expect incredulous things then you won't be satisfied with BE since it only offers the best of B2 Phenom oc, and thats not as good as the X2 at all, more than 500MHz lower tops. You have to be realistic.
But still, some have gotten 2.8GHz-3.2GHz stable, so who knows. Naturally if you're aware how Phenom oc works, then you'd take the BE over 9600/9700/9900 just over its unlocked FID, VID, NB, HT and volts.
Some stores in the UK have had them in stock for over a 12 days. Misco/Extremepcs had some, but Misco's sold out very early and they never updated the online details.
MPMW used to be one of the best Toledo codings IIRC.
Nice info naokaji. ;)
WooHoo... Photobucket finally came back online!!
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...Stable0108.jpg
We have the same stepping Bud, Hope this helps a little....
I'm still playing with mine too Terwin... But I hope this helps you get a stable point to fall back too... This is my #1 load bios spot, when I just wanna make sure things work! YMMV.... (YourMileageMayVary)
If your bios allows setting p-states, set CPU Vid to 24, It sets your CPU Vid to 1.25v's... Still well within specs, and that really helped my stability!!!!
I'd be really curious to see how high you could get those cores though... You know you could test them individually, and turn the Multi down on the weak one(s)... Evil Grin!! :D
I'm SO impatient sometimes!! I really wanted a BE!!!
Yeah... Like thats just what I need, MORE OPTIONS...........:ROTF:
I've looked everywhere I can think of, and i've yet to see any individual core clocking on these chips. Could somebody play around with AOD to see what happens?
In stock at the Egg, supringsly not price gouged...yet
I read at the inquirer tonight that AMD's own staffers said at CES that B3 steppings are STILL JACKED! So, they said they will be doing another spin with products due may 08. Sorry everyone but it is going to be a long spring with some half baked parts. Intel could cury the hatchet deep if they wanted but instead they are falling back ino their norm and easing up on the release schedule this year. Mighty nice of them ;-)
Yorkfield is being delayed because they've got their own issues. Not because they're being nice to AMD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rickster_64
True, but if you look at the entire year, what Intel just released is showing as "thats it" for 08'. Any other new products or faster speed bins will be reactionary to anything AMD is able to fire back with.
Mine is no good oc'er on the best BIOSes so far which were good enough for 2.9GHz screeny with the 9500. You can read about it after post#569: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...167447&page=10
AOD is useless on the ASUS board. You can't change anything without lockups. It's only good for the stress test. I have to do everything else in bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by flippin_waffles
I've did several tests :)Quote:
Originally Posted by flippin_waffles
You need to look better next time :p: (I hide them well :D)
Look here for few tests..
Hmm..... In the article I read, the author called AMD and they stated publically that B3 has the bug FIXED (they actually tested the fix on the earlier B2 steppings), and that B3 would be the last 65nm stepping before moving onto 45 nm. However, B3 will probably not be available until the beginning of second quarter (April timeframe)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rickster_64
If it looks like they will have 45nm out in quantity by mid-year, I think I will just wait for it. Irregardless, I will wait until end March/early April, since by then we will have a better selection of motherboards, and bioses :D