Scythe Ninja Copper Anniversary model

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12-23-2007, 05:39 AM
PcCI2iminal

Scythe Ninja Copper Anniversary model

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Specs
Ninja 6 heatpipes CPU cooler
Heatsink Dimensions:110 x 110 x 150mm
Weight: 1015g
Included 120mm fan: 115g
Fan Dimensions: 120 x 120 x 25mm
Noise Level: 10.70dBA
Air Flow: 40.17 CFM
Speed: 800rpm (±10%)Kaze Jyuni model
Bearing Type: Sleeve Bearing

The new Ninja Cooper is designed for two different mode of operation.
Firstly, as a performance level solution when coupled with a 120mm fan and secondly as a passive heatsink for silent operation and the Ninja is designed to dissipate heat via six copper heatpipes(380mmx6mm) connected to the base of the heatsink.

Thermalright IFX-14 vs Scythe Ninja Copper

Methodology
Please keep this in mind when looking at the results.
the room temperature was measured at 20C for all tests, but temp fluctuations, different mounting and user error can account up to 1-3C of inaccuracy in the obtained results.
System was stressed by running 4 x orthos for 10mins and this application pushes the temperature higher then any other application
The CPU temperature was measured with Coretemp and lowest (idle) and highest(load) value recorded.

Onto the test results
Thermalright IFX-14 vs Scythe Ninja Copper
Intel QX9650 3000MHz
120mm Kaze Jyuni model 40.17CFM
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3...0mhzfanle4.jpg
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/9...0mhzfanjs6.jpg

Intel QX9650 3000MHz
Fanless
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/268...fanlessgb2.jpg
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Intel QX9650 3600MHz
120mm Kaze Jyuni model 40.17CFM
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Passive CPU cooling can be quite a challenge with recent high end CPUs but it's important to know that having a high end PC system and keeping it dead silent, won't be possible, for now.
Today the Scythe still stands strong and I recommend the Ninja Cooper to everyone if they want to build a silent system but he is very heavy and I don't care about that cz the retention system is strong enough to hold that 1000g of cooling.

Is the Ninja Cooper one of the best air cooler on market?
Time will tell, so stay tuned!

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12-23-2007, 10:01 AM
cegras

Nice review. Comparing to a TRUE would've been nicer though.

What I absolutely hate about Scythe heatsinks is their somewhat odd choice to slap an old style heatsink onto the heatpipes. Does this not defeat the whole purpose of heatpipes because there will be thermal dead spots in the heatsink where the heat just sits and cannot be piped away?
12-23-2007, 02:29 PM
K3nii

wow these are some pretty good results but i must say the copper finish does put me off but with a very quiet an that's a plus
12-23-2007, 02:30 PM
ea6gka

guys , do you think this or the ordinary model can cope fanless with a quad at stock mhz?
12-23-2007, 03:57 PM
Spawne32

just like the other ninja, the fin density will be its downfall.
12-23-2007, 04:26 PM
NickS

Damn, that is a SEXY CPU HS/F.
12-23-2007, 05:17 PM
ChaosMinionX

Get a TRUE up there :)

Nice looking HSF though :up:
12-23-2007, 09:42 PM
Kain XS

TRUE is better than IFX. So, I dont think Ninja can get at the best position.
Also, its weight is more than 1 kg. :S
12-24-2007, 02:16 AM
Serra

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spawne32

just like the other ninja, the fin density will be its downfall.

QFT. I saw this title and I thought "I bet they corrected the fin density on this... they must have". Then I saw they hadn't and I died a little on the inside. Oh well.
12-24-2007, 02:43 AM
cadaveca

pipes are spaced out a bit more tha nthe reg. ninja, and they look larger as well.

I have a ninja cooling a B3 q66 @ 3ghz, with ninja's stock fan...66c loaded. I can only hope this does about 55-60c with the same cpu...but that seems liek a tall order...
12-24-2007, 04:54 AM
MF Traum

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serra

QFT. I saw this title and I thought "I bet they corrected the fin density on this... they must have". Then I saw they hadn't and I died a little on the inside. Oh well.

Loose fin density is the exact reason for Ninja's good performance as a passive cooler.
12-24-2007, 12:38 PM
Spawne32

Quote:

Originally Posted by MF Traum

Loose fin density is the exact reason for Ninja's good performance as a passive cooler.

passive cooling is a myth, all passive cooling requires some sort of fan moving air across the object in question. Ive proven this over and over again with test results. With out moving air, passive coolers just heat up until they hit saftey shutdowns or burn up completely.
12-24-2007, 01:00 PM
CERO

looks very nice and the results seems nice to, only it is a bit to "heavy lol" xD, but like mentioned a TRUE 120 would be a better comparison.
12-25-2007, 08:04 AM
Retro

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spawne32

passive cooling is a myth, all passive cooling requires some sort of fan moving air across the object in question. Ive proven this over and over again with test results. With out moving air, passive coolers just heat up until they hit saftey shutdowns or burn up completely.

Exactly.
Passive+Cooling= two words that don't really belong together,
just like Military+Intelligence:D
12-25-2007, 08:22 AM
Emerica

Yeah I would like to see it compared to a TRUE but so far so good.
01-02-2008, 07:40 PM
g1raffe

I'd love to see some results with both of them with fans in a push-pull setup(or even push-push/pull-pull in the case of the IFX-14.
01-03-2008, 01:02 AM
L'enFer

I'd like to look at Scythe Infinity Copper Anniversary model =).
01-03-2008, 01:49 AM
Spawne32

Quote:

Originally Posted by L'enFer

I'd like to look at Scythe Infinity Copper Anniversary model =).

Now that might be a force to be reckoned with, but i dont think i would have the strength to lift it up out of the box.
01-03-2008, 02:12 AM
L'enFer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spawne32

Now that might be a force to be reckoned with, but i dont think i would have the strength to lift it up out of the box.

May be :), but do you remember the coolers that Scythe showed on Computex 2007?
http://www.pcmasters.de/fileadmin/ne...Infinity-1.jpg
01-03-2008, 03:33 AM
PcCI2iminal

Quote:

Originally Posted by L'enFer

I'd like to look at Scythe Infinity Copper Anniversary model =).

yeahh !! it would be fantastic :)

some more tests

room temp @ 18c
Ninja Cooper + 1 San Ace 260CFM
Yorkfield 4300MHz @ 1.7v(I can run 2d06 (4 cores) at 4370MHz)
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http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5962/aqua03185wn2.jpg

Crysis at 1280x1024 - high 4x/16x
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and sry guysbut I can not include the TRUE on the comparison cz now its a bit hard to keep the room @ 20c(17c actually) and it will be not fair enough .
anyway ,in the same conditions the TRUE will beat both easily
but i have something to show.
TRUE + 2 x 260CFM vs TEC Cooler

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5899/007ei4.jpg

:D
01-03-2008, 03:50 AM
L'enFer

PcCI2iminal, don't you have Q6600 G0 for testing?
01-03-2008, 04:11 AM
PcCI2iminal

Quote:

Originally Posted by L'enFer

PcCI2iminal, don't you have Q6600 G0 for testing?

Q6700 but my friend is using it :(
01-03-2008, 04:20 AM
L'enFer

Quote:

Originally Posted by PcCI2iminal

Q6700 but my friend is using it :(

It's a pity. I've never used QX9650, so it's difficult for me to analyse your results of Copper Ninja testing.
01-03-2008, 04:29 AM
AriciU

Quote:

Originally Posted by L'enFer

May be :), but do you remember the coolers that Scythe showed on Computex 2007?
http://www.pcmasters.de/fileadmin/ne...Infinity-1.jpg

What in God's name is that monstruozity? :eek: :eek: Are Scythe thinking of going in the onboard videocard market with that or what? :D
01-03-2008, 04:34 AM
L'enFer

AriciU, it was just an experimental cooler. As far as I know Scythe wasn't going to sell them on the market.
By the way, what about testing new Ninja with 2 fans?
01-03-2008, 04:41 AM
PcCI2iminal

Quote:

Originally Posted by L'enFer

It's a pity. I've never used QX9650, so it's difficult for me to analyse your results of Copper Ninja testing.

what kind of cooling are u using?
01-03-2008, 04:46 AM
L'enFer

Quote:

Originally Posted by PcCI2iminal

what kind of cooling are u using?

Now I use stock Intel cooler :). I hope I'll change it for something more powerful.
01-03-2008, 05:07 AM
PcCI2iminal

Quote:

Originally Posted by L'enFer

Now I use stock Intel cooler :). I hope I'll change it for something more powerful.

ok you win :D ,what do you want to see?
Ninja vs TRUE or Infinity(I think the Ninja vs Infinity will be very fun)
I only can run a quick test(tomorrow morning,13hrs from now)
01-03-2008, 05:10 AM
L'enFer

Quote:

Originally Posted by PcCI2iminal

(I think the Ninja vs Infinity will be very fun)

Me too. If Ninja win I'll wait for its appearing in the local stores.
01-03-2008, 05:21 AM
PcCI2iminal

ok my friend

Scythe War
Ninja vs Infinity and 2 x Scythe 120x120x25mm (55CFM) Push/Push

:D
01-03-2008, 05:27 AM
L'enFer

PcCI2iminal, thanks man. It will be the 1st cooling battle of the year :).
01-04-2008, 10:16 PM
PcCI2iminal

Quote:

Originally Posted by L'enFer

PcCI2iminal, thanks man. It will be the 1st cooling battle of the year :).

sry for the delay :)

Ninja Copper vs Scythe Infinity

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1...nfinitynm5.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3...finity2if9.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4...finity3bs7.jpg

Scythe War

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Ninja can not beat Infinity ...he stays 2c behind the winner.

Room Temp-> 22c
Thermal compound-> Artic Silver Ceramique
CPU-> QX9650 @ 3950mhz(1.408v)
MB-> P5E3 WS Pro
Fan 1-> Scythe SFF21F S-FLEX 120mm 63CFM
Fan 2-> Scythe Kaze Jyuni 120mm 40CFM
01-04-2008, 11:33 PM
L'enFer

PcCI2iminal, thanks again. It seems like Infinity is the best Scythe's cooler.
01-05-2008, 02:20 AM
STEvil

could buy two of these and compress the fins together on one then take fins off the second and add them to the first.

electroplate to get a really good connection between fins and heatpipes.
01-05-2008, 06:47 AM
L'enFer

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEvil

could buy two of these and compress the fins together on one then take fins off the second and add them to the first.

I thought Infinity has enough fins on its heatsink... By the way how much fins does Ultra 120 eXtreme have?
01-05-2008, 05:00 PM
Rubycon

I never understood why some manufacturers put heatsinks on the base!

Putting a heatsink on the base actually pulls some of the heat into a trap. You want to isolate the base as much as possible (brackets too!) so the heat is carried into the heatpipe. After all that is where you want it to go not some tiny equivalent of yesterday's NB cooler.
01-12-2008, 08:15 PM
g1raffe

How come you had the 2nd Ninja Copper fan next to the GFX card? wouldn't have been best to put the fan on the side and have a push pull setup like with the infinity?
01-12-2008, 10:02 PM
GripS

Quote:

Originally Posted by g1raffe

How come you had the 2nd Ninja Copper fan next to the GFX card? wouldn't have been best to put the fan on the side and have a push pull setup like with the infinity?

It would have interfered with the RAM sinks.
01-13-2008, 01:38 AM
PcCI2iminal

Quote:

Originally Posted by g1raffe

How come you had the 2nd Ninja Copper fan next to the GFX card? wouldn't have been best to put the fan on the side and have a push pull setup like with the infinity?

both are push/push setups and I've tried many combinations and I used the best for Ninja and Infinity.