8800GT(G92) Reviews !!

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10-23-2007, 01:08 AM
cookerjc

8800GT(G92) Reviews !!

(G92)8800GT First review!

http://www.expreview.com/img/topic/8800gt/platform.jpg

First of all, let's see the HD playback test.

http://www.expreview.com/img/topic/8800gt/hd_useage.png

Now the 3dmark06 test.

http://www.expreview.com/img/topic/8800gt/platform.png

http://www.expreview.com/img/topic/8800gt/3dmark_01.png

http://www.expreview.com/img/topic/8800gt/3dmark_02.png

http://www.expreview.com/img/topic/8800gt/3dmark_03.png

for more test(heatsink, power consumption,futuremark,different game demo loops,OC of 8800GT) pls visit our orginal post:

http://topic.expreview.com/2007-10-2...4539d6255.html

(sorry FF users, the site only supports ie. the pending upgrade of our site will begin this week)
10-23-2007, 01:16 AM
DilTech

That kind of performance for $249... wow.
10-23-2007, 01:18 AM
zerazax

Just imagine what the $500 video cards will be like then ;)

This means the new GTS is supposed to be GTX level, but what about the new GTX and on?

Can't wait to see what RV670 has in store, since its supposed to be better than the HD2900XT in raw benchmarks at least, which would put it around the 8800GT also

Also, we need to see real game benches since 3dMark06 only means so much (like the 2900XT)
10-23-2007, 01:22 AM
DilTech

Quote:

Originally Posted by zerazax

Just imagine what the $500 video cards will be like then ;)

This means the new GTS is supposed to be GTX level, but what about the new GTX and on?

Can't wait to see what RV670 has in store, since its supposed to be better than the HD2900XT in raw benchmarks at least, which would put it around the 8800GT also

Also, we need to see real game benches since 3dMark06 only means so much (like the 2900XT)

They bench in games too zerazax, the performance is pretty close to GTX levels, even with AA. :D

Beats the R600 almost all the way down the line.

If the RV670 hasn't fixed the AA issue, then ati may be in a pickle. This would be a shame, because ATi/AMD really need a win now more than ever.
10-23-2007, 01:30 AM
verndewd

Holy crap dewd ! that thing is pretty sweet.
10-23-2007, 01:31 AM
cookerjc

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

They bench in games too zerazax, the performance is pretty close to GTX levels, even with AA. :D

Beats the R600 almost all the way down the line.

If the RV670 hasn't fixed the AA issue, then ati may be in a pickle. This would be a shame, because ATi/AMD really need a win now more than ever.

but please notice that 8800GT wont support DX10.1, and it is 65nm
many ppl think it is a weakpoint
10-23-2007, 01:35 AM
[XC]Atomicpineapple

8800GTS FS ne1 :P. Awesome price/performance there. Overclocking looks good too, a 140MHz Core OC on single slot stock cooler. Cant wait for official reviews of RV670 to see which ones the better deal.
10-23-2007, 01:39 AM
verndewd

without dx10.1 support that card has a short lifespan. But it will live for a long time with slow upgraders. Great numbers for the price.
10-23-2007, 01:39 AM
Yakyb

very nice only problem is i want to dual card this thing but dont want to buy a 680i so looks like ill wait on ATI next offering :)
10-23-2007, 01:39 AM
K404

Ooooh the high-end will be juicy, if thats the new mid-range! :D
10-23-2007, 01:41 AM
fireice2

DX 10.0 isn't even fully utilized yet. :P Why worry so much about DX10.1. Just m y 2 cents.
10-23-2007, 01:42 AM
Frodin

Ach, seems like that server is getting pounded:( Does not load for me.
10-23-2007, 01:50 AM
cookerjc

now works..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frodin

Ach, seems like that server is getting pounded:( Does not load for me.

too many traffics...
NVboys you are too much...:shrug:
10-23-2007, 01:53 AM
DilTech

Quote:

Originally Posted by cookerjc

but please notice that 8800GT wont support DX10.1, and it is 65nm
many ppl think it is a weakpoint

65nm vs 55nm is a moot point. The 8800GTX is 90nm and the HD2900XT 1GB (it's competitor) is 80nm. Size isn't always everything.

As for DX10.1, this could be a factor, much like it was with the X800's vs the 6800's. The reason I say "could" is because DX10.1 doesn't do much in terms of visuals, while DX9C did bring improvement(FP based HDR anyone?).

Like I said, I really hope AMD/ATi have fixed their AA issues here. They could really use a win here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by verndewd

without dx10.1 support that card has a short lifespan. But it will live for a long time with slow upgraders. Great numbers for the price.

Not as short as one would think. DX10.1 is more-so updates for developers than consumers. If you look over the updates, you'll see what I mean. There's not really any changes what-so-ever that directly effect the customer themself, or the quality of the image. It merely just gives the developer more control over the card directly via the api, and adds better support for multiple gpus.
10-23-2007, 01:59 AM
verndewd

Well as far as I have read dx10.1 will be so much different it requires a new design for the card hence the 10.1 support on ATI cards (expected). that is no mere software update, but to support your point there will be backward compatibility to 10 , and in the end, a pain in the end :)
10-23-2007, 02:03 AM
flopper

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

and adds better support for multiple gpus.

I guess that benefit crossfire system a bit, question is how that would translate into games.
10-23-2007, 02:04 AM
verndewd

Another step forward I would imagine. no benches nothing to report.
10-23-2007, 02:05 AM
G80

That sort of performance with a single slot cooler is impressive to say atleast. Imagine a waterblock on there and its the card of the year.
10-23-2007, 02:07 AM
RPGWiZaRD

I was expecting it to be pretty much in the middle between 8800GTX and GTS performance but that it would be this close to GTX performance even with AA and AF set to high was a bit better than expected. Looking good, many thanks for this review. :D

The spectical people can throw their 8800GT to be slower than GTS idea into the sea now. And better yet, we don't know much about overclockability yet. ;)
10-23-2007, 02:08 AM
verndewd

lmao what a slap in the face to GTX owners for that price lmao.:rofl: :ROTF: :clap:

lol ahhhh sadly id be among them If cash was like more of a plentiful substance. And id be a bit miffed.
10-23-2007, 02:14 AM
G80

Not really since the GTX has been around for almost a year now. And for those who have one, its still in the lead in performance.
10-23-2007, 02:16 AM
axemanrio

Quote:

Originally Posted by G80

Not really since the GTX has been around for almost a year now. And for those who have one, its still in the lead in performance.

Spot on :rolleyes:
10-23-2007, 02:19 AM
fireice2

Its a slap on the face to those who just bought a shiny new GTX. :P

But not for those who have been enjoying the 8800GTX for almost a year.
10-23-2007, 02:19 AM
verndewd

so 500-600 dollars buys a year of barely ahead of 65nm?@ $250 ish I am soo glad I have waited. GTX resale values just plummeted hard.
10-23-2007, 02:32 AM
zerazax

Quote:

Originally Posted by verndewd

so 500-600 dollars buys a year of barely ahead of 65nm?@ $250 ish I am soo glad I have waited. GTX resale values just plummeted hard.

Um, in case you haven't noticed, computer prices drop fast and hard. The GTX lasting this long is not the norm at all.

Imagine the quad core's coming in at $1000 and now being priced at $266. And that's within half a year. The GTX going a year at that price range and performance is unheard of, considering that the 7 series had the 7900 refresh and 7950's as well.
10-23-2007, 02:32 AM
Frodin

Quote:

Originally Posted by cookerjc

too many traffics...
NVboys you are too much...:shrug:

Read it now, thanks.:up:
The power consumption seems a little high, only 20w lower than 8800GTS on load, and the cooler hardly seems up to the task, 86c on load with stock cooler/ clocks? Hopefully it means it will clock further with better cooling.
Does it use the 8800GTS PCB?
Good bang for the bucks nevertheless, now looking forward to some competition from DAAMIT. Unleash the price wars!:welcome:
10-23-2007, 02:41 AM
verndewd

Quote:

Originally Posted by zerazax

Um, in case you haven't noticed, computer prices drop fast and hard. The GTX lasting this long is not the norm at all.

Imagine the quad core's coming in at $1000 and now being priced at $266. And that's within half a year. The GTX going a year at that price range and performance is unheard of, considering that the 7 series had the 7900 refresh and 7950's as well.

introd Nov 8 06. first pricing was 600+ and maintained in the low to high or mid high 500 until now. New node comes out half the price neck and neck to perf considering the price. without as much of a noticeable devaluation in the last gen (node ) cards as youd think.

Tsmc is ready for 45nm right now, that gives the current high end a year or less. So an xfire 1900xtx user is probably thinking pretty well of himself right now. since nothing drastic will happen till 45nm anyway in gaming.

That and I am mostly just funning the situation. teasing. deep breaths. This card is a really impressive card.
10-23-2007, 02:51 AM
Mikael

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frodin

Read it now, thanks.:up:
The power consumption seems a little high, only 20w lower than 8800GTS on load

That could be because of the 20% higher frequency. I don't know how the power consumption scales to frequency on this part, but if it's linear the G92 core is actually a lot more power efficient.
10-23-2007, 03:06 AM
LowRun

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

65nm vs 55nm is a moot point. The 8800GTX is 90nm and the HD2900XT 1GB (it's competitor) is 80nm. Size isn't always everything.

As for DX10.1, this could be a factor, much like it was with the X800's vs the 6800's. The reason I say "could" is because DX10.1 doesn't do much in terms of visuals, while DX9C did bring improvement(FP based HDR anyone?).

Like I said, I really hope AMD/ATi have fixed their AA issues here. They could really use a win here.

Not as short as one would think. DX10.1 is more-so updates for developers than consumers. If you look over the updates, you'll see what I mean. There's not really any changes what-so-ever that directly effect the customer themself, or the quality of the image. It merely just gives the developer more control over the card directly via the api, and adds better support for multiple gpus.

Your arguments make me think it's a way more interesting step up than i previously would have thought. Anyway i was set to wait and have a see at what the rv670 will be capable of, it's good to know there is already a very good product about to be launched tho'.
10-23-2007, 03:17 AM
v_rr

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

65nm vs 55nm is a moot point. The 8800GTX is 90nm and the HD2900XT 1GB (it's competitor) is 80nm. Size isn't always everything.

If you look at the pictures of the cores you will notice that RV670 is almost 50% smaller then G92. This means that loots off money will get in ATI bank.

Quote:

As for DX10.1, this could be a factor, much like it was with the X800's vs the 6800's. The reason I say "could" is because DX10.1 doesn't do much in terms of visuals, while DX9C did bring improvement(FP based HDR anyone?).

For markting is crucial have DX_10.1. And markting actually is almost everything ;)
10-23-2007, 03:35 AM
Gorguls

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10-23-2007, 03:43 AM
Mozikillah

OMG..
This card is a beast!! :up:
10-23-2007, 03:46 AM
Origin_Unknown

the 640 is a better spec so how can it be better?

also the HR-03-PLUS doesnt work according to that site in the first post
10-23-2007, 03:56 AM
Gorguls

Quote:

Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown

the 640 is a better spec so how can it be better?

The GTS has the same amount of Pipes(Cluster) as the 8800GT but the core is clocked higher 600mhz(GT) vs 500mhz.(GTS)
10-23-2007, 04:00 AM
kemo

Big thanks to Gorguls for hosting the pics and thank you to the OP
10-23-2007, 04:01 AM
BulldogPO

Lookin pretty good :)
10-23-2007, 04:12 AM
naokaji

seeing those benches i simply cant stop laughing at the pathetic performance of the 8600 GTS card:p:

back to the 8800GT, looks like a winner to me, especially if one uses a decent aftermarket cooler.
10-23-2007, 04:13 AM
kiwi

Link doesn't show anything, how is OC? Looks like a winner :D
10-23-2007, 04:18 AM
DTU_XaVier

Yees, I feel sooo sorry for myself, having the fastest card on the planet...
It's so very hard not to have waited the last 2 months for a card which is slower than what I got.... :rolleyes:

Sorry, I simply don't see the fuss... It's fast, yes, and relatively cheap.. But it's just a die-shrink...
10-23-2007, 04:27 AM
Getttosmurf

this looks like a perfect upgrade from my current 7900GTO = ) i hope my Maze 4 block fits ?
10-23-2007, 04:34 AM
fireice2

Quote:

Originally Posted by DTU_XaVier

Sorry, I simply don't see the fuss... It's fast, yes, and relatively cheap.. But it's just a die-shrink...

Lower power consumption, close to GTX's performance and its priced almost 100% cheaper than a GTX! :up: Its good news for those who haven't got a DX10 card or those with a crappy DX10 series card. :cool:
10-23-2007, 04:41 AM
knightwolf654

they should rename the 8800 GTS g92 to the GTX :o
10-23-2007, 04:42 AM
perkam

A. Okay Naysayers, line up...line up !!!

http://www.gadgetguidewiki.com/images/2/25/Boxing.jpg

B. The RV670 will be equally competitive, seeing as its the reason Nvidia needed to released the GT in the first place. Using the "Oh they haven't fixed AA" is an excuse. People were using the 256-bit bus on the GT to assume it would never be this close in performance to the GTX, but look how that turned out.

Fact is we don't know if AA problem has been solved and if ATI is confident enough to call it the HD 3800 series, it must have something up its sleeve.

Perkam
10-23-2007, 04:44 AM
2k7zero

Does this mean the 8800gt won't support any form of Dx10 and can you still use it on pciex 1 even though it's standard for 2? http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...3741&Itemid=34
10-23-2007, 04:46 AM
TigerFury

We hope so Perkam. It's this kind of competition that makes these cards perform well with good price. We win :)
10-23-2007, 04:50 AM
quadnad

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

Fact is we don't know if AA problem has been solved and if ATI is confident enough to call it the HD 3800 series, it must have something up its sleeve.

Perkam

Or perhaps that they want to distance their new lineup from the R600 embarrassment. :shrug:
10-23-2007, 04:50 AM
G80

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2k7zero

Does this mean the 8800gt won't support any form of Dx10 and can you still use it on pciex 1 even though it's standard for 2? http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...3741&Itemid=34

G80 cards are Dx10 thats what they were made for. And im sure Nvidia will adress 10.1 when it is utilized or even considered.

And i think "Gen 2 Pci-e" is backwards compatible with Pci-e
10-23-2007, 04:59 AM
bonzo_catalin

The link you have posted does not work . Please , write here more details about temperature , power consumption etc . Thx .
10-23-2007, 05:00 AM
happychappy

Looks like I'll get a pair of these to go along with my Skulltrail system.

I wish:(
10-23-2007, 05:00 AM
louie101086

I must admit the gt does look sweet but it is not something I would sell my gtx for. and also what is image quality like on a gt compared to the gtx or gts these are t hings I would like to see screenshots of
10-23-2007, 05:00 AM
Miwo

740/1010 on stock volts... :)
3~ agonizing weeks to see an RV670 comparison
10-23-2007, 05:07 AM
naokaji

for all the ones complaining about non working link, the site it goes to does not work in firefox, they are working on that as explained by op in first post in thread.
10-23-2007, 05:17 AM
kemo

Quote:

Originally Posted by naokaji

for all the ones complaining about non working link, the site it goes to does not work in firefox, they are working on that as explained by op in first post in thread.

It is working with me on FF but you have to scroll to the right
10-23-2007, 05:22 AM
Eagleclaw

I am getting one, I am due for a upgrade and the price/performace looks great so far.

Looks like I will try the Zalman FC-ZV9 first on this bad boy
10-23-2007, 05:30 AM
Silver Bullet

Wow, I'd be pissed if I just bought a GTX (suckers) :D
10-23-2007, 05:31 AM
tbone8ty

whoa u failed to mention the hot naked pics in this review!!!
10-23-2007, 06:31 AM
_Slim_Shady_

Quote:

Originally Posted by verndewd

lmao what a slap in the face to GTX owners for that price lmao.:rofl: :ROTF: :clap:

lol ahhhh sadly id be among them If cash was like more of a plentiful substance. And id be a bit miffed.

I don't understand posts like this. For the last year the 8800GTX has been the fastest card you can buy. It still is the fastest card. You buy hardware knowing it that it is already obsolete. Something will always come around that is faster and cheaper. Frankly, the 8800GTX has had a long life span. It will most likely reign supreme for a total of 16 months which is quite long in this industry.

Isn't there supposed to be a price drop of $100 for the GTX in November? I'm contemplating whether to buy another GTX when the price drops so I can SLI, or wait another 4 or 5 months for the next version of the GTX to come out. That card will be a monster given what the GT is doing now!

The awesome results of the 8800GT should be exciting to everyone. To think that GTX owners are crying because a newer, better card has come out is naive at best.
10-23-2007, 06:44 AM
see4

he is talking about people who bought GTX less than month ago ...in this case he is right ....
10-23-2007, 06:50 AM
grimREEFER

well, im in the predicament that everyone else is in. i want dx10.1 but i have no confidence in amd's card lol.
10-23-2007, 06:55 AM
trans am

Quote:

Originally Posted by see4

he is talking about people who bought GTX less than month ago ...in this case he is right ....

Sell them! I just got $340 for my 8800gts 640 on ebay. I paid $365 almost a year ago! Just quit whining and get rid of your cards.. get your money and wait until Mid november.
10-23-2007, 07:09 AM
Eddie3dfx

Well think of this way.
The gt is clocked at 600 while the specs are showing benchmarks are gts cards clocked at 500.
Why not show the gts clocked at 600/1800mhz to show a true comparison of the cards.
I personally do not think this is worth the upgrade to go from a gts to a card thats 10% faster for the same price.
I will wait for the newer gts or gtx.
10-23-2007, 07:14 AM
trans am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddie3dfx

Well think of this way.
The gt is clocked at 600 while the specs are showing benchmarks are gts cards clocked at 500.
Why not show the gts clocked at 600/1800mhz to show a true comparison of the cards.
I personally do not think this is worth the upgrade to go from a gts to a card thats 10% faster for the same price.
I will wait for the newer gts or gtx.

You're missing the point. You can get more for your used cards now and have money left over after buying a 8800gt / rv670 for less money. dont think of it as an upgrade. think of it as an even trade but you would be getting cash on top of that.
10-23-2007, 07:16 AM
coldpower27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddie3dfx

Well think of this way.
The gt is clocked at 600 while the specs are showing benchmarks are gts cards clocked at 500.
Why not show the gts clocked at 600/1800mhz to show a true comparison of the cards.
I personally do not think this is worth the upgrade to go from a gts to a card thats 10% faster for the same price.
I will wait for the newer gts or gtx.

This is not what both cards can do at the same clock, this is what both cards can do as they are.

The preliminary results we have so far are very impressive in the sense that most of the time this card slides in between the 8800 GTS 640 (Old) and the 8800 GTX. This is great in terms of performance per dollar.

This is obviously why there is a 8800 GTS 640 Rev.2 coming out, because having the 8800 GT beat the 8800 GTS 640 stock "most of the time" is not acceptable. It needs to perform better to justify it's price point.
10-23-2007, 07:29 AM
Baleful

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver Bullet

Wow, I'd be pissed if I just bought a GTX (suckers) :D

LMAO, and i bet you're ready to slit your wrists with your $450 AC3 GTS. Good job (sucker).
10-23-2007, 07:39 AM
ANP !!!

Well i don't at all regret my GTX purchase seeing this news, I got the GTX back in OCT 06 for 600$ and it has been 1year now and still going super strong :D. Will still serve me hopefully till 9800 releases :D.

But this card seems kick a*s for the price.
10-23-2007, 07:41 AM
tbone8ty

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2103/...9694e5bd_o.jpg

what is this?

i also noticed that the testing temps were 86C!!! jeez thats pretty high.
10-23-2007, 07:44 AM
grimREEFER

is that sheath thats covering the heatsink made of aluminum or plastic?
10-23-2007, 07:48 AM
Silver Bullet

VIVO chip area maybe?
10-23-2007, 07:51 AM
happychappy

Looks like plastic to me
10-23-2007, 07:55 AM
ANP !!!

It looks like a place for Vivo chip.
10-23-2007, 07:57 AM
ghmz

What is the length of 8800GT? Is it longer than 8800GTS? Is it going to use less power than 8800GTS? I hope my NeoHE 500W will do the job. Thanks.
10-23-2007, 08:06 AM
illidan

this is beast!
10-23-2007, 08:07 AM
Frodin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver Bullet

VIVO chip area maybe?

I think the review mentioned that it was an open spot for an expressport chip.
10-23-2007, 08:15 AM
fireice2

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghmz

What is the length of 8800GT? Is it longer than 8800GTS? Is it going to use less power than 8800GTS? I hope my NeoHE 500W will do the job. Thanks.

i think it is just as long as the GTS and your PSU can still handle the job. It only requires 1 6-pin pcie power connector. :up:
10-23-2007, 08:19 AM
mascaras

good 3dmark 2006 score .

now we only need a review with Games to compare with GTX .............

btw: from the Expreview (translated) :

Quote:

In the new generation of AMD new cards, in addition to using the new 55 nm process, also focus on DirectX10.1 above, and this is also something NVIDIA graphics (including the 8800 GT) do not have, a lot of players have also become the minds of scruples matter. The DX10.1 views, we ask a number of hardware enthusiasts, to look at their views

looks like the confirmation of 8800GT doesnt suport DX10.1

regards
10-23-2007, 08:23 AM
voltaire2030

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

A. Okay Naysayers, line up...line up !!!

http://www.gadgetguidewiki.com/images/2/25/Boxing.jpg

Perkam

:ROTF:

Thx for the review Cookerjc :up:
10-23-2007, 09:03 AM
RPGWiZaRD

Quote:

Originally Posted by mascaras

good 3dmark 2006 score .

now we only need a review with Games to compare with GTX .............

Are you blind? :D There's 9 game benchmark comparisions that compares results between GTX, GT, both GTS cards & 8600 GTS and 1GB Radeon 2900XT at resolutions 1280x1024, 1600x1200, 1680x1050, 1920x1200 with both AA and AF disabled and AA4x & AF16x enabled. What more could you possibly be asking for? :D

Great review!
10-23-2007, 09:21 AM
Silver Bullet

Quote:

Originally Posted by [cTx]Baleful

LMAO, and i bet you're ready to slit your wrists with your $450 AC3 GTS. Good job (sucker).

Not really ... I bought in on launch day almost a year ago .. so meh.
10-23-2007, 09:25 AM
\/ENDE][A

Two of these are my next buy for sure:D .Still haven`t seen any Uk stores give them a mention, has there been a confirmed release date yet?
Only hope now, new 780 boards prove to be better for OC`in Quads.
10-23-2007, 09:27 AM
Eddie3dfx

One serious note This is a PCI-E 2.0 card.
Are the reviewers using a Pci-e 2.0 motherboard and would the benchmarks be lower on non pci-e 2.0 boards?
Or is the gt not even playable on our 680i 650i boards?
I'm not a naysayer, just extremely detail oriented ;)
10-23-2007, 09:39 AM
RPGWiZaRD

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddie3dfx

One serious note This is a PCI-E 2.0 card.
Are the reviewers using a Pci-e 2.0 motherboard and would the benchmarks be lower on non pci-e 2.0 boards?
Or is the gt not even playable on our 680i 650i boards?
I'm not a naysayer, just extremely detail oriented ;)

Yea, that's a very good question I've also been wondering about. The motherboard used here in this review seems to be ASUS P5E3 X38 motherboard and all the earlier benchmarks were also done on a X38 board which has pci-e 2.0 support. So I'm wondering whetever this PCI-E 2.0 makes this card looking this good or if it only actually matters like 0-3 FPS for example which wouldn't matter. But now if it would help like 5 - 10 FPS in avg here in these tests for example, then it would start meaning something.
10-23-2007, 09:40 AM
BenchZowner

Same performance on PCI-e 1.0 boards ;)
10-23-2007, 09:44 AM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenchZowner

Same performance on PCI-e 1.0 boards ;)

Good to know, because I have a new, sealed 680i eVGA NF68-A1 sitting here that I was about to put into my system to go with my two G92's once they come in (pre-ordered and waiting!) for SLI :D.
10-23-2007, 09:45 AM
RPGWiZaRD

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenchZowner

Same performance on PCI-e 1.0 boards ;)

Could you please elaborate a bit on that aspect a bit? What you mean by "same performance", like are we talking 0-3 FPS differences with a single card or more? And which are your sources you're referring to on this one? Also I know difference would increase depending on resolutions we're talking about but I'm only using 1280x960 myself and if I'd pick up an LCD today it would most likely have a res of 1680x1050 or less so for me it doesn't matter what differences are at 1920x1200 res for example though. :p:

I just would like to know the truth about this one, as a tweaker I am, it would disturb me if I knew I could get 5 - 10 FPS extra with a X38 motherboard but then again I don't feel switching board only cuz of an aspect like that but at same time I'd wanna get those extra FPS too. :p:
10-23-2007, 09:50 AM
tbone8ty

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

Good to know, because I have a new, sealed 680i eVGA NF68-A1 sitting here that I was about to put into my system to go with my two G92's once they come in (pre-ordered and waiting!) for SLI :D.

whoa SLI!!! thats going to be interesting. hurry up and get them and do some benchs. wonder how these will run in crysis.

so my PSU has a 12v of 18amps will this be enough for 1 8800gt?
10-23-2007, 09:53 AM
Eddie3dfx

How can it be the same performance? If it were the same, 2.0 would of never been created..
Imagine if everyone sold their cards to go purchase a new card that won't even work on an older motherboard, or not as well.
Nvidia needs a specsheet and some details if they are going to release this card and have it selling on vendors sites.
The best news I have heard so far is that it uses less power, since this is truely the way to go.
I think the use of 1000watt and 1200watt psus is not the wave of the future.
Unless you would think of quad sli ;P
I hope this works well with pci-e 1.0 motherboards, because to upgrade to a new motherboard for this is not worth it.
10-23-2007, 09:58 AM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddie3dfx

How can it be the same performance? If it were the same, 2.0 would of never been created..
Imagine if everyone sold their cards to go purchase a new card that won't even work on an older motherboard, or not as well.
Nvidia needs a specsheet and some details if they are going to release this card and have it selling on vendors sites.
The best news I have heard so far is that it uses less power, since this is truely the way to go.
I think the use of 1000watt and 1200watt psus is not the wave of the future.
Unless you would think of quad sli ;P
I hope this works well with pci-e 1.0 motherboards, because to upgrade to a new motherboard for this is not worth it.

There's no real reason it would need PCI-E 2.0's bandwidth yet, when most current cards aren't even limited by an 8x PCI-E 1.0 slot, let alone the equivalent "32x" 16x PCI-E 2.0 one :).
10-23-2007, 10:05 AM
RPGWiZaRD

Yes PCI-E 2.0's bw is needed for future for sure and the 150W support from a single PCI-E 2.0 slot is right now more important (so it still wouldn't be totally useless even if it had no performance edge today) than the bandwidth edge. But in some review for probably an 8800GTX card I think it was it looked like already at PCI-E 8x there were some slowdowns in some tests but it was at rather high resolution too and at 4x it was quite a difference in almost all tests. So we're probably getting very close to the point where the extra bandwidth will start playing a role but I'd like to know if that point has been reached by now or if we still have to wait 1 or 2 graphic card generations still for example.
10-23-2007, 10:09 AM
Eddie3dfx

This is not true when it comes to SLI.
Look at VR-Zones benchmark between the asus p5n-e sli 8x (i own this) vs P5n32 16x sli..

At 1920x1200 Company of heroes is 18% slower on the 8x sli.
At 2560x1600 Company of heroes is 21% slower on the 8x sli.

It even says that has the games get more graphically intensive, the % will grow and be more visible..

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/ASUS...0.html#Scene_1
10-23-2007, 10:12 AM
GoldenTiger

(winces) Apparrently I jumped in too early... the listing was pulled from the site I ordered from's distributor and I had to cancel my order as it couldn't go through :(. I guess I'll be watching like a hawk for any in-stock ones along with everyone else the next week ;)!
10-23-2007, 10:12 AM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddie3dfx

This is not true when it comes to SLI.
Look at VR-Zones benchmark between the asus p5n-e sli 8x (i own this) vs P5n32 16x sli..

At 1920x1200 Company of heroes is 18% slower on the 8x sli.
At 2560x1600 Company of heroes is 21% slower on the 8x sli.

It even says that has the games get more graphically intensive, the % will grow and be more visible..

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/ASUS...0.html#Scene_1

Mmmmm... yeah, I was referring to single-card setups.
10-23-2007, 10:18 AM
RPGWiZaRD

Yea for me only single card is interesting and resolutions like 1920x1200 and above also ain't interesting but can any1 say for sure if with a single 8800GT if PCI-E 1.1 16x will be enough to not cause any fps drops at resolutions like 1280x1024 - 1680x1050.
10-23-2007, 10:30 AM
aiya

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

Yea for me only single card is interesting and resolutions like 1920x1200 and above also ain't interesting but can any1 say for sure if with a single 8800GT if PCI-E 1.1 16x will be enough to not cause any fps drops at resolutions like 1280x1024 - 1680x1050.

you probably won't find that out till release day or after that.

this card is interesting, i like the performance it gives at its price point. its either this or HD3870 for me. just 3 more weeks...
10-23-2007, 10:39 AM
Eagleclaw

I would think newegg.com will have them on sale Sunday (or late Saturday) as they are not shipped anyway.

At leased that's what I am hoping for.
10-23-2007, 10:39 AM
RPGWiZaRD

Quote:

Originally Posted by aiya

you probably won't find that out till release day or after that.

this card is interesting, i like the performance it gives at its price point. its either this or HD3870 for me. just 3 more weeks...

I guess so, I hope at least some1 will be able to make at least somewhat accurate testing on this like comparing P35 vs a X38 mobo with this card and same settings etc. Would do it myself out of personal interest if I wasn't budget limited.

I'm also in the process right now to decide go for 8800GT or wait for accurate 3850/3870 testing first. There's a couple of things I like about NVIDIA that matters to me like how often new drivers gets released and how big driver tweaking community they have so 3850/3870 would have to have a clear edge over 8800GT and the AA issue fixed in order for me to choosing one of those instead but I'm still doubting they will have a clear advantage over a card that is already this great for $249.
10-23-2007, 10:53 AM
aiya

i'm sure a site like FiringSquad will do a review with single and SLI configs (680i = pci-e 1.0/1.1 or whatever).

whether the HD3850/3870 have AA fixed is the million dollar question at the moment for the ATI camp. but i'm pretty sure they did, why else would they change the name to HD3xx0.
10-23-2007, 10:58 AM
Flinch

I think I'll reserve judgment on the card until I have seen a thorough review and benchmarks, call me a skeptic.
10-23-2007, 10:59 AM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eagleclaw

I would think newegg.com will have them on sale Sunday (or late Saturday) as they are not shipped anyway.

At leased that's what I am hoping for.

Mmmm... good idea, I'll have to keep an eye out early too :D.
10-23-2007, 10:59 AM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flinch

I think I'll reserve judgment on the card until I have seen a thorough review and benchmarks, call me a skeptic.

Ummm... what the heck do you think the linked article is? :ROTF: :rofl: :shakes:

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