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G92 will not be 8700GTS Finnaly.
It will be launched on 12th Nov. if everything will go well!
8800GTwill be 512MB/256bit DDR3, Dual DVI / TV out, with HDCP and HDMI.
Performance will be between 8800GTS-320 8800GTS-640.
Price will be between 230-260usd!
Some manufacturers will launch a 256mb version but close to January.
TIP: 9800GTX will be aroung the corner in 30-40 days.. ;)
Patience is a virtue ppl ;)
The G92 will be nice if they don't drop any slow RAM ( overclock-wise )
Looks pointless to me, but they probably thought "why the hell not, we got the goods".
Info on the GTX sounds promissing - Chrismass presents and all
Thanx for the update.
i think the 320 will be EOL soon...G92 will replace it..
well form all of the recent review the performance difference between the GTS 320 and 640 is very very small
so this card is not a smart move form nvidia imho unless it will cost less than the 320 to compete with the HD2900pro
is that 30 - 40 days from now or 30 - 40 days after nov 12 im guessing the latterQuote:
Originally Posted by GoriLLakoS
12 Nov sounds about right, but my sources tell me we're not going to see a new highend NV card by the end of the year; ATI doesn't offer anything competitive either, are you sure ?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoriLLakoS
Hmm this might be the card I'm looking for, I also think 2900Pro is quite interesting but being a R600 card I fear the card is also bugged in same way 2900XT is by AA so that's not making me pick that card but on the other hand 8800GT might be the card for me but of course a 9800GTS would prolly be quite significantly faster than this card but also probably cost like $150 more so in the end it's all about how much you're willing to spend (or wait).
What I wonder is how many SPs and if this card will be 65nm or not. If SPs are a sufficient and it's 65nm and costs around $250 and beats 8800GTS in performance or offers significant overclocking advantage it might be the interesting card I've been looking for. I hope NVIDIA's target is between GTX and GTS performance on this one cuz there's still quite big gap between those and for $250 that would bring nice competition to the midrange.
November seems awfully far away though.
Heeeya Micutzu,Quote:
Originally Posted by Micutzu
Long time to talk with you...:)
My source told me about end of november for the new 98XX series...if] everything will go as it is planned....:shrug:
Waiting for some photos..
end of november for 98xx series? hmmmmm
My thoughts exactly, the fact that G92 will be called 8800GT pretty much gives away the G90 should be called 89xx for sure, not 98xx.Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
I hope nVidia makes the move and/or introduces its new upcoming cards with GDDR4 and 512bit.
And also are DirectX 10.1?
They need a die shrink or something as well, my 8800 GTX was a heat-blower, would like to get a card that wouldn't run that hot.
VR-Zone just confirmed it ;)
Lots of conflicting info for the new series, and especially the high end part.
They're probably having fun with us, giving us different information :D
So... all we have is...patience
The high end by the end of November sounds good to me!
8800gt support were in some old beta drivers btw, and i was like wtf is an 8800gt. just pointless speculation, but i think its gonna have 256sp but have a very high frequency core, making it about equal to an 8800gts.
Imagine if it was ATI / AMD doing this? ... the uproarQuote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
Hoo boy... my step-up on my 8800GTX expires in mid-December, I hope the new high-end makes it under the buzzer! The end of November sounds perfect if you ask me ;)!
They stated that it performs between the 8600GTS and 8800GTS 640. You should correct your first post. (Unless you are disagreeing with Shamino)Quote:
Originally Posted by GoriLLakoS
The GTS 320MB and the 640MB perform the same in recent benchies anyway.... Im keeping my GTS... XD
My source is through a manufacturer...Visionary's(not sham's) maybe through nvidia direct or an other manufacturer....everyone has a different source..but all of them are based on a SINGLE one..
All of them should send the same things...
So , i keep what i say in my first post.
It is not my personal opinion..it is from a press release .. ;)
The most important PC question: Power Consumption?
Me needs confirmation by Diltech :)
Perkam
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Originally Posted by krille
No way!
This is XS, the most important question is will it rip my face off with it's speed? :D
Et tu Nvidia ??!!, Then fall Prices !!!
(eh anti-climactic but I try :p )
Perkam
Indeed ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by Faktor
Isn't it funny, I swear just the other day some high profile members on this site were claiming there's no such thing as a 9800GTX coming out by the end of this year...
Who do we believe? :confused:
Link to the other thread
I'll have to talk to Gorillakos about this. Things change very quickly in this industry, as the past has shown us regarding release dates, especially when they involve high-profile products such as the 9800 series. I still stand by what I said in the other thread however.Quote:
Originally Posted by EternityZX9
please i hope hats true, also by that do u mean 40 days from now, or 40 days from november.... cuz that will be like Jan, Feb 2008 ...Quote:
Originally Posted by GoriLLakoS
i cant wait for their their next gen ...
the way i understood it was that it was 30 to 40 days form the 12th of November. putting it on my Christmas list:DQuote:
Originally Posted by theteamaqua
My step-up ends around the 17th of December... hope it comes before then ;)! That's the way I understood it also.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650
Ehh but whwre is single chip high end part from NVIDIA??:confused: I thought there will be something like GF8900GTS but it seems there will only be GF8800GT with performance between GF8800GTS and GF8600GTS.:mad: It`s too bad...:(Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
It seems rv670 is stronger than G92 and NVIDIA won`t have any GPU to fight with rv670:( GX2 card isn`t good choice because of drivers.
We don't really know the performance of G92 or rv670 yet, just wait for the parts to release before getting depressed. For all we know G92 could really sit between the 8800GTS and 8800GTX and the rv670 could end up being a bum chip :shrug:
High end part will be out sooner or later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barys
Info comes & goes...source 1 says in December, source 2 says February...oh well!
first off we have no clue on how the 8800gt will perform. second this source said there will a NEW high end chip this december. third the rv670 is said to have the same performance as the R600 so the top end will remain nividia's by the looks of it. and fourth there is nothing really wrong with a GX2 type card. look at the 7950GX2 it can still face the 8800gts in most games and beat it in others it uses less power than the 8800gtx and can still be use on all platforms. it heat generation is not as high as the R600 or 8800gtx and it is a smaller card than the 8800gtx while still only taking 2 slots. it was a good card and a dual 8800gt would be a winner for sure. even more so in quad sli (2 cards) or tri sli (with 3 cards for a total of 6 GPUs:D )Quote:
Originally Posted by Barys
Man, I can't wait for the 9000 series.
G92 is said to have lower performance than GF8800GTS and it seems to be slower than rv670. I was hope NVIDIA will release its new highend part (as BenchZowner said few days before) to replace GF8800GTX.:(Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650
You are saying about highend part in December but i can`t find this info - where did you get it from?
And last one - GX2 like card. I think it`s no good way yet because of drivers issues in SLI mode with GF8 series cards. Drivers for GF7 series cards was better to use SLI than GF8. Moreover there are some games which doesn`t support SLI well and there is no performance boost over single card.
Yes, glad to hear some positive news about the G90. I hope it comes this year, because I turned away an 88UT so I can get my hands on this haha.
Thanks for the news GoriLLakoS.
But who knows? right? They might actually make a 9800 series just to spite ATI. Which would be quite comical. Or they might go 8900 to stay away from confusion. Who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by dieqast
Thanks EnJoY. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
Hmm on Chiphell forum there is info posted by Napoleon that G98 is GF8900.
I thought G98 was supposed to be a G84 replacement:shrug:
Moreover i have found some interesting info about G92 too. It is said to be 6TCP GPU (96SP, 24TMU and 16ROP) but GF8800GT will only have 64SP and 16TMU enabled. There will be one more card based on G92 (with all SP and TMU enabled).
I hope it`s true because i don`t think GF8800GT with only 64 SP will be able to fight against rv670.:(
I believe what GoriLLakoS said about G90 is true too and we will see it by the end of year.
The SP is not as easy as it sounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barys
R600 got 64SP(4+1), that marketing made into 320. nVidia G80 got 128(1+1), that you can make into 256 by the same logic. nVidias also run faster, but they are more simple.
We dont know yet if nVidia made their SPs more advanced than before.
Indeed, part of the reason the R600 can't cope worth a damn in DX10 half the time is its lack of ability to thread the different shader types efficiently. That and NVIDIA has their hand in every game that uses it so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
That being said, while 128 SPs, and in many cases 96 SPs compete well against R600's 64 shaders, 64 SPs don't really have a chance.
And against my GTS which is at 692/1754/1961? ATI and G92 have no chance....
Bwah?Quote:
Originally Posted by Raptor22
BTW, that Pentium D is murdering your gaming prowess. :(
:rofl: :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Omastar
Thanks for reminding me... I also need more RAM and a P35... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Omastar
Im a young broke kid so what do you expect... :p:
Maybe if I get the RAM and P35 first, my Pentium D @ 4GHz or so will keep up. :ROTF:
You're not alone bro. :D My current VC murders my gaming prowess. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Raptor22
Yup... I feel bad for ya bro... the 8600GT is no where near where it should've been... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by fireice2
Yah, If only they made it run at 256-bit.. :D At least I did not get the 8600GTS. saved some precious moolah from doing so.
I mean seriously... :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by fireice2
You can always use RivaTuner and OC the core/shaders/memory clocks... I got from 513/1100/792 to 692/1754/1962 with my GTS... :D
Used riva tuner recently. :D
I'm at 702/1674/1750 on my 8600GT. :D I just have a 17" LCD anyway. :P
Nice! Run the OpenGL fur benchmark... my personal favorite... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by fireice2
ah, were do I find that one? :D
Here is the link to the thread: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=156499
Good luck!
thanks. will do some benching later. :D
Anyone get the impression nVidia rumoured a 8700 product name, realised people weren't that excited by a more power efficient, lesser performance model and are now attempting to get people going again by marketing it as an 8800 series card?
Personally, they can call it the "nVidia 1" for all I care - if it's got a good price/performance factor, that's all that matters.
Still no news on a 8800Ultra-beater? :rolleyes:
News on nextgen high end cards?! November or January :-S ? if January I'l go with ATi 2900Pro 1GB GDDR4...
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Originally Posted by ediflorianus
AFAIK It's January. That is not to say everything that's been 'leaked' as of yet isn't at least partially FUD or only partially what's going to happen.
High end cards no comee until next year...hence no news of R680 as well...
"Things are quiet on the Eastern front" :p:
Perkam
if you have a smaller monitor you won't need to worry much about when high end cards are comming out. :D
Says the man with a 4Ghz C2D and...an 8600GT 0_o...Quote:
Originally Posted by fireice2
Perkam
:D Hehehe
8800GTX's are already overkill for my 17" LCD gaming anyway. :P
You are oversimplifying the issue. And no, Nvidia's 1+1 are not the same with ATi's 4+1. The bottom line is though that most current games are coded in a way that favors Nvidia's simple shader approach and not ATi's complex shader approach. That and what probably is a hardware bug affecting AA performance which hopefully will be gone in RV670.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
one gtx or gts isnt overkill?Quote:
Originally Posted by fireice2
He is over simplifying the issue. He neglects the MUL (making it 2+1 FYI) which does operations (Special function, interpolator, perspective correction) that are not general shading, which is left for the MADDs. It's not part of the SP, but does do certain jobs an SP would do if it wern't there or the jobs wern't assigned to the MUL...AFAIK ATi does these ops with their 64 (4+1) shaders. You could say Nvidia has 384 shaders on G80, but you'd be wrong. It's much more complicated. As for the AA issue, I agree that plays a part and hopefully will be corrected.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR
@Candyman - AFAIK, it was meant to be between 86 and 88gts and allow a phase-out of the 8800GTS320MB, but now Nvidia is trying to kick it up a notch to match RV670. We won't know if they succeeded until Nov 19th...Or until the leaks come. :)
I know I was impatient when I bought an 8800GTX back in the start of September, but looking at all the guess-work going 'round about release-dates, I'd say I'm happy I did so... It still pretty much runs everything as well as you could wish for a card which is as of now just less than a year old... It's actually quite remarkable that a single graphics-card has been able to remain on top for that long... (no, I'm not including the ULTRA on purpose, that card doesn't have any place in my books)...
I'm happy with my choice... For now :p:
Best Regards :toast:
Fudzilla reported G92 aka D8M will be launched on the 29th this month.
Well, if all these rumours are true it`s a big dissapointment for me from NVIDIA:( It seems this year only GF8800GT will be launched which is said to have performance between GF8600GTS and GF8800GTS. 64SP GPU is not enough against rv670 which is said to be a little faster than r600.
But if D8M is GF8800GT so what is D8P??:confused:
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Originally Posted by CandymanCan
What you said is exactly my understanding:
1. It's cheaper to produce than 8800GTS 320MB (g80 is huge, plus more complicated/expensive PCB as it uses the same as GTX even if using less mem than the 512 8800gt)
2. Performance I believe was meant to be lower than 8800GTS (320/640) but now I believe they are trying to match it, as obviously R600 (and assumingly Rv670) are on par with the GTS's for what appears to be quite a bit less money to both produce and to market. 8800GTS 640MB is still $350, and would have a market above a slightly slower 256-bit 512mb G92, but will not against a $250 Rv670, hence they want to juice everything out of their cheaper to produce part to be competitive with ATi's solution.
Hope that makes sense.
As for D8P, still think it's a 96SP 6 TCP 8800GTS-like thing. That could clock well, both on core/shaders, allow room for NVIO to be on-die, and use little enough power and produce little enough heat to jam two on a card(s) and call it a 8950GX2, just as the 7950GX2 was two 7900GTs. Heck, it'd satisfy both the 1Tflop rumors and the 192SP rumors....and I'm all about killing as many possible scenarios with one stone as possible. :p:
This will come around the time of the HD 2950 Pro.Quote:
Originally Posted by ediflorianus
It will be a mistake for Nvidia to launch this before that, seeing as some memory latency tweaking on the HD 2950's to be sent out to reviewers will make short work of the 8800GT :p:
Perkam
I definitely agree that money and the market is and will drive NVIDIA to do what is needed.
In this case, an 8800GT is needed because:
1) The market wants a mid-range card that can actually perform. The 8600GTS is a joke and ATI just released the 2900PRO and will soon release the 55nm RV670. Jumping into the next high-end while leaving the mid-range market (where most of the money is made, as well as where most OEM contracts will be had) would be disastrous, esp. if you hand it away to your archrival. Keep in mind that more and more DX10 games are coming out soon (and have been now) and so the market for DX10 compatible cards is growing.
and
2) The 8800GTS 320 and 640 are the same core as the GTX/Ultra, but are likely the lower binned ones (with the lower binned shaders/streams disabled). But, the original cost to make each core is the same as the GTX/Ultra. The G80 core is HUGE and had record-breaking # of transistors when it was released. I'm sure that sucker ain't cheap to make and it might be smarter to go to a die-shrunk revised core that's cheaper to produce while leaving the expensive G80 core to expensive cards, the GTX and Ultra, and keep high profits.
and
3) Nvidia has always released a die-shrunk mid-range card before using that size for the high-end. This past year, a combination of the fact that the 8600 series was still 80nm, same as the G80, and that ATI tanked for most of the year, Nvidia feels that it can afford to release a mid-range card it needs, while using it as a testbed for a die-shrink for the high end performance crown, which it can release afterwards because there is no pressure from ATI to do so.
I might be completely wrong but from a business perspective, it can definitely make sense
I agree with most of that. Especially #2, which is incredibly important to remember in the scheme of things. Personally I think it's very possible the 64SP is a cut-down 96SP part. The GTS before the GTX if you will, and then they are perspectively killing two birds with one stone, especially if said part could be used in a GX2.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
For the record though, G80 is 90nm, which even more-so justifies your point on process matters concerning Nvidia.
of course i know what it is. but as i remember it was the fastest "single" card. that you could buy at the time (before the 8800's) only the 1950xtx could come close in single card. now in most games it will keep up with the 8800gts. now if you take 2x8800gts cards and do the same thing. look at the performance your getting form one card. way more than a 8800gtx or ultra for most likely an ultra price tag.Quote:
Originally Posted by CandymanCan
not bad at all.
http://pic.xfastest.com/sxs112/NV/8800GT/02.jpg
G9X Photo
:D
9800 looks hott.... *drool*... :horse: :cheer2: :party2:Quote:
Originally Posted by sxs112
you big tease!!! :censored: lol jk jkQuote:
Originally Posted by sxs112
does looks sexy though. too bad i will mostly likely swap it with a HR-03 Plus :p:
i do have to say whatever it is it looks dang good! and i want one. looks fairly short to not like these 9inch monstersQuote:
Originally Posted by sxs112
Such a big cooler for 65nm Mainstream card clocked only 600Mhz ??
Single slot though so they have just used all the length of the card, and why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barys
Regards
Andy
http://pic.xfastest.com/sxs112/NV/8800GT/01.png
NEW 8800GTS 112SP
:shocked:
For lack of a better way to put it:
That's gonna confuse the crap out of consumers. Maybe call it 8800GTR or something....
hmm.. seems like they are giving more power to the GTS640, discontinuing the GTS320 and introducing the 8800GT to replace it.
i think this will make current GTS640 owners kinda ticked off.
Might I ask... WTF?Quote:
Originally Posted by sxs112
Hopefully someone can break this down, i.e. summarize.
Little too confusing for me right now with such little sleep.
Thermal-less? New cooling solution or a card with a waterblock on it?
AND they'll make the GTX obsolete in the process... Or at least make it unattractive to the average buyer... I highly doubt 16 SPs do that much of a difference, same with 128MBs of RAM...
But they'll probably handicap it in some other way (apart from the 320-bit mem controller)....
Best Regards :toast:
Heh...all info that was previously private is now public thanks to SXS :lol:
Perkam
Drool...
:up: Looking good!
looks like old water blocks will fit. :D Are these monsters hot? or much cooler?
Wish my Asus P5W DH Deluxe would do SLI :p... rather have these than the 2950Pro's in Crossfire from what I hear about current-gen dual-card performance, but oh well :D.
depends on whether or not it's under phase or chilled water.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omastar
seems like there are only 8 memory chips there. 256bit?
Yup!
I see spots for 10 pcs, and the sheet says that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don_Won
Damn the cooler is sexy, much better than those puny 7900GT/GS cooler. Perhaps now NVIDIA has more budget on the design team :D. Now should I get one of these to replace my 7950GX2 or wait for the 8950GX2 >_>.