AMD Phenom Upcoming Board (RD790) - RoundUp

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09-01-2007, 07:16 AM
tictac

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AMD Phenom Upcoming Board (RD790) - RoundUp

Q: What is RD790?
A :
- RD790 is next generation AMD/ATI Chipset support AMD K8 (AM2) & K10 processor (Barcelona, Phenom).

RD790 Improvement Features :
- Dual or single AMD CPU configuration
- Supports socket AM2+ and socket F CPU
- Support CrossFire , Trifire and 4GPU on plan
-> Allowing maximum of four physical PCI-E 2.0 x16 slots at x8 lanes bandwidth or 2 PCI-E x16 slots at maximum bandwidth (16x-16x or 8x-8x-8x-8x CrossFire)
- Providing a total of 52 PCI-E lanes, 41 lanes in Northbridge
- 65nm Architecture
- Support HyperTransport 3.0
- Support for HTX slots
- Support of PCI-E 2.0
- Supports Dual Gigabit Ethernet
- Discrete chipset cache memory of at least 16 KB to reduce the latencies and increase the bandwidth
- Northbridge runs at 3 W when idle, and maximum 10 W under load

Motherboard Vendor that already have RD790 on pipeline :- :yepp:
SOCKET AM2
AMD : Hammerhead
- 4 x PCI EXpress 2.0
- 1- 2 slot gap from each other
- 4 SATA

ASUS :
- 2 x PCI EXpress 2.0
- 2 slot gap from each other

GIGABYTE : GA-M790-DQ6
- 4 x PCI EXpress 2.0
- No gap slot from each other
- 6 SATA
Spec: http://www.gigabyte.com.tr/products/...-m790-dq6.html
Preview : http://www.ocworkbench.com/2007/giga...790-DQ6/g1.htm

MSI : K9A2 Platinum
- 4 x PCI EXpress 2.0
- 1 slot gap from each other
- 6 SATA
Preview : http://www.hardspell.com/english/doc...p?news_id=1362

DFI :
- 3 x PCI EXpress 2.0

SOCKET 1207
AMD : Wahoo
- 3 x PCI EXpress 2.0

Q: TriFire ? Whats that? :eek:
A:
- 3 VGA Card Duct Tape together via Crossfire link
- TriFire Setup Demo : http://youtube.com/watch?v=R7EZmYth6TM

Q: QuadFire ? Whats that? :eek:
A:
- 4 VGA Card Duct Tape together via Crossfire link
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1188967271

Q: How do i install AMD next generation processor on RD790 board?
A:
- Installation guide demo : http://youtube.com/watch?v=SYvupXNmaKQ

Any head up? The MSI board looks to have best layout for QuadFire setup... :D
09-01-2007, 07:24 AM
AliG

I agree, msi best for quad xfire, and supposedly the driver is finally starting to come along to work pretty well, but if the asus 790 board is as big of an improvement over the 590sli (I have a crosshair that is actually quite good) as their p35s were over their p965 boards, then I think that would be the winner as it looks better imo and not that many people either have the dough for say 4 r670s which supposedly will have more power than the 8800ultra or at least 4 r600s/rv670s
09-01-2007, 07:33 AM
doompc

Asus RAM heatpipes look sweet.
09-01-2007, 07:43 AM
AliG

yes, but probably are pretty useless
09-01-2007, 07:57 AM
Psycho_eddie

:shocked: I love that asus bord... as allways Asus making good use of copper with lots of passive cooling...

When will the Asus one be realsed??, rumours say before x38... but i see in overclockers u can preorder one x38 bord type allready!

2 x 2900XT 1Gb edtions would be great in that mobo esp since Amd make them hehe
09-01-2007, 08:03 AM
AliG

xfire support only I believe, I mean, this is an ati board, why would they give it sli support or nvidia even be willing to give ati an sli license?
09-01-2007, 11:26 AM
Nedjo

MSI is good:

http://www.ocworkbench.com/2007/comp...2ch/pic009.jpg

But, I want this baby:

http://www.bit-tech.net/news_images/...-rd790-733.jpg

I think we all know who's manufacturer of this mobo ;)
09-01-2007, 11:34 AM
cky2k6

i like the dfi layout. two useable pci slots is ideal, cause i mean, unfortunately its not very realistic that pci-e cards will really become widely used in the lifetime of the board.
09-01-2007, 12:10 PM
BeardyMan

guys? K10 shouldn't it be pinless?:D
09-01-2007, 12:11 PM
afireinside

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeardyMan

guys? K10 shouldn't it be pinless?:D

no...
09-01-2007, 12:11 PM
ColonelCain

I'd say that the DFI would have my vote. 2x X3950XTX's in Crossfire, and an X3800XT for physics... all on watercooling... :slobber:. :rofl:
09-01-2007, 12:15 PM
Zytek_Fan

I really like the layout :D
09-01-2007, 12:16 PM
BeardyMan

Quote:

Originally Posted by afireinside

no...

Really? aargh :rolleyes:
That's just the thing that i like about my conroe :)
although bending some insocket pins from s775 is pretty dangerous to..
09-01-2007, 12:36 PM
fellix_bg

LoL!
I like how tiny are the two bridges of the RD790. Hope it will be cool enough, not to worry much for the cooling.
09-01-2007, 02:20 PM
Lightman

Quote:

Originally Posted by fellix_bg

LoL!
I like how tiny are the two bridges of the RD790. Hope it will be cool enough, not to worry much for the cooling.

I hope so too!
RD790 supposedly is manufactured at 65nm which is looking good in that regard...

BTW I like DFI and MSI layouts (DFI slightly better).

Can't wait for these babies in retail...:)
09-01-2007, 02:24 PM
AliG

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeardyMan

guys? K10 shouldn't it be pinless?:D

only barcelona is, the rest of the phenom and single socket opterons are am2+, though I personally would have preffered to see am2 be pinless from the start, I don't know how many pins I've been trying to remove my ihs and finally one broke off in the socket. I don't know what the pin is for, but I've left it there just to be safe, so pinless would definitely be nice
09-01-2007, 02:24 PM
zanzabar

dose that asus board have heatpipes that go to the ram sockets with copper around them, and on amd i think that pinles would be bad since the mb is generally more than the chip since amd focuses on pricing a good chip really low priced with a low but ocable clock, but i guess that its easier to break a cpu pin than a mb pin
09-01-2007, 02:41 PM
nn_step

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeardyMan

guys? K10 shouldn't it be pinless?:D

well the pins have to be on the CPU or the Board, take your pick :rolleyes: (that isn't pinless)
also separate Socket AM2 and Socket F
09-01-2007, 03:01 PM
zanzabar

are they continuing the socket f i thought that they were moving to socket l or p or something
09-01-2007, 04:15 PM
leoftw

ahhh damn it there goes my savings
09-01-2007, 04:56 PM
`danny

That DFI layout is awesome, kind of wish I had the patience to wait for barcelona :(
09-01-2007, 05:34 PM
adamsleath

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeardyMan

guys? K10 shouldn't it be pinless?:D

dat's a shame....

but the boards look prerty.

believe it or not i am excited. :D - that msi heatsink is horny :lol2: & the asus copper does look chunky.

[is it time to sell my 4300/p5k yet? :lol:]

Dfi need to put some heatsinks on their board :hehe:

something tells me these will be expensive :yawn:
09-01-2007, 06:02 PM
bypolar

Wonder what sound solution DFI is going to use i don't see the Header for the Karajan audio module.

MSI has a good looking board but DFI or Abit will get my money.

Oh would like to see amd redesign the socket bracket we have had numorius tabs break off about 3-6 months into the build. Stupid 1 TAB.
09-01-2007, 06:11 PM
AliG

Quote:

Originally Posted by leoftw

ahhh damn it there goes my savings

Actually not quite, the rd790 boards supposedly are going to be dirt cheap like the 580 series boards, so you actually may be able to get a high quality board for at most $150
09-01-2007, 07:12 PM
adamsleath

let's hope so; looking forward to them.
09-01-2007, 07:24 PM
zanzabar

i bet dfi has some giant heatsink for it that wont fit in a box

and the asus just has more cushion for the pushin
09-01-2007, 08:49 PM
fakhrain

Board heatpipes just add more cost, still need good airflow to remove the heat from those copper chunks.
09-01-2007, 09:19 PM
alpha0ne

I cant wait to see Abits board

I'll be selling my q6600 for this :D
09-02-2007, 12:37 PM
Psycho_eddie

Definatly Asus mobo for me, 2* PCI-E for crossfire is perfectly adiquate will have to work extra to afford two 2900xt's as it is :cool:

I can imagine there to be bottlenecks a plenty with quad 2900xt's on msi bord for instance...

September/November is release date for these??
09-02-2007, 03:49 PM
Kayin

Yes, I wanna know when ETA is. I'd rather get this than an Intel setup...
09-03-2007, 08:55 AM
Jimmer411

Quote:

Originally Posted by AliG

Actually not quite, the rd790 boards supposedly are going to be dirt cheap like the 580 series boards, so you actually may be able to get a high quality board for at most $150

AMD boards are always like that :D I love it!
09-03-2007, 09:08 AM
EvlUndrWareNome

Quote:

Originally Posted by AliG

Actually not quite, the rd790 boards supposedly are going to be dirt cheap like the 580 series boards, so you actually may be able to get a high quality board for at most $150

that would be lovely. But I doubt the shiny copper studded boards will be much under $200. Lets hope DFI puts out a gem in the new platform.
09-03-2007, 09:17 AM
spainis

Take all that cooper off and you get horrny cheap board :)
and that would be that what i need :)

Die Intel, live AMD like a free bird :)
09-03-2007, 02:33 PM
funnyperson1

I would much prefer a ~$100 board without all those heatpipes that still does crazy HTT speeds. The heatpipes are unnecessary and just add cost. Give me regular beefy aluminum sinks, I got airflow to spare.
09-03-2007, 03:57 PM
Kayin

Give it to me bare, I got waterblocks!
09-03-2007, 05:05 PM
Plywood99

Quote:

Originally Posted by funnyperson1

I would much prefer a ~$100 board without all those heatpipes that still does crazy HTT speeds. The heatpipes are unnecessary and just add cost. Give me regular beefy aluminum sinks, I got airflow to spare.

QFT...

Ply
09-03-2007, 07:33 PM
NapalmV5

anything on 8x8 mobos based on RD790?
09-03-2007, 08:36 PM
Kayin

yeah, that's what I want too, but I'll be content with this.
09-03-2007, 09:00 PM
Kurz

Bling sells mobos.
09-03-2007, 09:25 PM
nn_step

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurz

Bling sells mobos.

value does
09-03-2007, 09:33 PM
adamsleath

bangs for bucks.
(but ignorance plays its part) - i know all about ignorance :ROTF:
...look, look; it's something new and shiny :slobber: :lol:
:doh:

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:...mer_bigdoh.gif
09-04-2007, 03:09 AM
LIKMARK

Well, the DFI board sure looks good, but what about the sata connectors? Just two of them?
09-04-2007, 03:45 AM
adamsleath

no; there's another 2 x 2 SATA upright ones (for 6 total) at the bottom of the DFI board.
09-04-2007, 04:16 AM
Morais

Very great pics! The msi mobo looks sexier for me :)

Thanks for sharing peeps :up:
09-04-2007, 06:25 AM
T2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeardyMan

guys? K10 shouldn't it be pinless?:D

Ehh wha...?:confused:
09-04-2007, 06:28 AM
T2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plywood99

QFT...

Ply

Errr no, most people HATE noisy crapshoot config with half-@ssed air-only OC - water, chill or LN2, that's something.

Better OC & results, better noise level, better chip longevity - go liquid! :cool:
09-04-2007, 06:32 AM
T2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamsleath

no; there's another 2 x 2 SATA upright ones (for 6 total) at the bottom of the DFI board.

I'm curious: is there anyone out there who uses more than, say 3-4 SATA drives?
I mean from 3 drives it makes much more sense to buy an almost noiseless gigabit NAS box w/ RAID for $400-500 and keep it running 24/7 as your all-purpose server (besides serving my file server needs I stream music, movies etc from mine).
09-04-2007, 08:09 AM
Morais

and you shoud start learning to use the edit button to avoid triple posts.
09-04-2007, 08:21 AM
Morais

hey tictac, you forgot the hammerhead!

http://www.it.com.cn/f/diy/076/1/070601_diy_rd790.jpg
09-04-2007, 08:33 AM
doompc

And the RD790 "wahoo" reference board
http://www.theinquirer.net/images/ar...TO_Brief01.jpg
09-04-2007, 08:50 AM
tictac

Thanks... 1st page update :up:
09-04-2007, 09:12 AM
Start

The green pcb on those reference board has some strange appeal.
09-04-2007, 04:08 PM
T2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morais

and you shoud start learning to use the edit button to avoid triple posts.

Umm what? I have made three posts. Just as I wanted.

So perhaps you should learn using your eyes & brain before you open your mouth (for nothing useful).
09-04-2007, 08:41 PM
tictac

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LOL ... :slap:

Update with
- Preview link for MSI and Gigabyte RD790 board on first page...
- QuadFire instalation preview :eek:
- TriFire Demo on 3GHz Phenom :up:
09-04-2007, 10:22 PM
JumpingJack

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeardyMan

guys? K10 shouldn't it be pinless?:D

Socket 1207 is land grid array, AM2 (and AM2+) is still flip-chip pin grid array....
09-04-2007, 10:46 PM
hawkeyefan

Quote:

Originally Posted by cky2k6

i like the dfi layout. two useable pci slots is ideal, cause i mean, unfortunately its not very realistic that pci-e cards will really become widely used in the lifetime of the board.

great point. Even with three VGA with double slot coolers, looks like you only lose the second PCI slot.

Has anybody got folding clients working for the 2xxx series? Gaming/folding monster. Er...hopefully;)
09-05-2007, 12:13 AM
Jamesrt2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by T2k

Umm what? I have made three posts. Just as I wanted.

So perhaps you should learn using your eyes & brain before you open your mouth (for nothing useful).

You just proved his point right,

he meant putting three posts in a row though

when you could of just edited the one post to put in the extra info
09-05-2007, 03:09 AM
tiro_uspsss

Quote:

Originally Posted by T2k

I'm curious: is there anyone out there who uses more than, say 3-4 SATA drives?
I mean from 3 drives it makes much more sense to buy an almost noiseless gigabit NAS box w/ RAID for $400-500 and keep it running 24/7 as your all-purpose server (besides serving my file server needs I stream music, movies etc from mine).

:ROTF:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1176389229

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=152007

:up:
09-05-2007, 06:14 AM
T2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004

You just proved his point right,

he meant putting three posts in a row though

when you could of just edited the one post to put in the extra info

Ummm what's wrong with you people... let repeat for you too, slowly, so hopefully all of you (less-than-bleeding-edge) guys can grasp it (after reading and interpreting, of course): I DID WANT to post three separate, standalone posts.

Which part you cannot comprehend, seriously? :rolleyes:
09-05-2007, 06:16 AM
T2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss

:ROTF:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1176389229

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=152007

:up:

:shocked:
ROFLMAO!
:rofl:
:ROTF:
:clap:
:up:
09-05-2007, 09:55 AM
adamsleath

Quote:

Originally Posted by JumpingJack

Socket 1207 is land grid array, AM2 (and AM2+) is still flip-chip pin grid array....

really?

i like the lga thang (ive bent a few pins on amd cpus and it is a worry - wot if a pin snaps orff?:eek:)

changem all to lga imo.
09-06-2007, 08:31 PM
Start

Quote:

Originally Posted by tictac

LOL ... :slap:

Update with
- Preview link for MSI and Gigabyte RD790 board on first page...
- QuadFire instalation preview :eek:
- TriFire Demo on 3GHz Phenom :up:

Imagine running the Sapphire Dual X1950Pro 8 GPU cores :D
09-06-2007, 09:56 PM
xVeinx

Quote:

Originally Posted by SP33DFR34K

Imagine running the Sapphire Dual X1950Pro 8 GPU cores :D

Imagine how much heat you would have from that region :p:
09-07-2007, 05:40 AM
EvlUndrWareNome

Quote:

Originally Posted by xVeinx

Imagine how much heat you would have from that region :p:

for real... youd have an AC unit blowing straight into the case.
09-21-2007, 05:10 AM
tictac

QuadFire beta test with Gigabyte RD790 board indicates it still have issues with Catalyst 7.8 ... they said it will be sorted up with a new driver later

OCworkbench didnt post the test benchmark screenshot... as they are not allowed (Pressure by AMD )

LinK:
http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=67028
09-21-2007, 11:03 AM
JohannesRS

Still, the only FASN8 like boards are the new ones from Asus (somewhere ele posted) and the AMD model?
09-21-2007, 09:04 PM
EvlUndrWareNome

I love the AMD model, simple layout and no blingy bling.
09-22-2007, 12:39 AM
SOLDNER-MOFO64

IMO the MSi board looks like it has super-el-cheapo-nasty heatsinks on it.

The northbridge HS looks like a kids creation......a "lets make this unique shape" kindof idea.

The DFi looks sweet, very nice indeed :):up:

Shame all the boards are using the single IDE approach aswell. I know most AM2 boards are this way now, but not all. ASUS Nforce 4 AM2 boards have them......shame they didn't implement 2x on these boards since lots of people still require 2x IDE channels.

I mean they still include a bloomin' FLOPPY connector?????? :shrug: :p:
09-22-2007, 02:07 AM
funnyperson1

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOLDNER-MOFO64

IMO the MSi board looks like it has super-el-cheapo-nasty heatsinks on it.

The northbridge HS looks like a kids creation......a "lets make this unique shape" kindof idea.

The DFi looks sweet, very nice indeed :):up:

Shame all the boards are using the single IDE approach aswell. I know most AM2 boards are this way now, but not all. ASUS Nforce 4 AM2 boards have them......shame they didn't implement 2x on these boards since lots of people still require 2x IDE channels.

I mean they still include a bloomin' FLOPPY connector?????? :shrug: :p:

Thats because the NF4 chipset still supported two IDE channels. None of the newer chipsets do, in fact the Intel chipsets don't even have support for one IDE channel, they all have third party chips on board to support IDE.

I for one miss the second IDE channel and wonder what the point is in getting rid of it, not like that extra connector cost them anything.
09-22-2007, 02:55 AM
SOLDNER-MOFO64

Quote:

Originally Posted by funnyperson1

Thats because the NF4 chipset still supported two IDE channels. None of the newer chipsets do, in fact the Intel chipsets don't even have support for one IDE channel, they all have third party chips on board to support IDE.

I for one miss the second IDE channel and wonder what the point is in getting rid of it, not like that extra connector cost them anything.

yes i agree, like I say, they haven't dropped the floppy connector, so what gave them the idea people are phasing out their IDE drives?

A tad premature considering the amount of IDE devices still in use.

Which are there more of.....users of a floppy drive on a BRAND NEW enthusiast board.....or users with 3x or 4x IDE devices?
09-22-2007, 05:12 AM
KTE

Yeah, I always look for 2 IDE connectors for general use. Not sure why they want to instantly move over to strictly SATA.
09-22-2007, 08:04 AM
BrowncoatGR

So i'm the only one that wishes IDE good riddance? Its a cabling nightmare and the sooner it dies the better.
09-22-2007, 08:08 AM
Start

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR

So i'm the only one that wishes IDE good riddance? Its a cabling nightmare and the sooner it dies the better.

Getting rid of old technology allows for more rapid adoption of newer technology. So SATA over IDE would be nice.
09-22-2007, 08:33 AM
biohead

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1188967271
omg not true native quadfire lol!!1!
09-22-2007, 08:38 AM
SOLDNER-MOFO64

Quote:

Originally Posted by biohead

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1188967271
omg not true native quadfire lol!!1!

4 seperate cards on a single mobo platform...........sounds NATIVE to me.

It's not like they're runnin' 2x 7950's and calling it QUAD-FIRE.....I don't think AMD lie about their tech like that OTHER company ;) :p: :D

2x DUAL-CORE = QUAD-CORE..............not :rofl:

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR

So i'm the only one that wishes IDE good riddance? Its a cabling nightmare and the sooner it dies the better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SP33DFR34K

Getting rid of old technology allows for more rapid adoption of newer technology. So SATA over IDE would be nice.

There are many people with IDE HDD's or CD/DVD-RW's which would still like 2x IDE connectors. You guys may prefer not to have them, but you can simply opt to not use them.....no biggie.

WE....however CANNOT use them without buying additional hardware......and that sux.

They've left the floppy connector.............you know......that cabling nightmare?

I once used a floppy to flash a bios..........in like 1997 ffs.

I don't need nor use one.......and I'm bloody sure a lot more guys use 2x IDE's rather than a floppy.....but they LEAVE floppy and remove an IDE, leaving just one:confused: :confused: :confused:
09-22-2007, 09:30 AM
LowRun

Quote:

Originally Posted by T2k

I'm curious: is there anyone out there who uses more than, say 3-4 SATA drives?
I mean from 3 drives it makes much more sense to buy an almost noiseless gigabit NAS box w/ RAID for $400-500 and keep it running 24/7 as your all-purpose server (besides serving my file server needs I stream music, movies etc from mine).

Using 5 here and i'd gladly trade those 2 IDE connectors for 2 more SATA.
09-22-2007, 09:43 AM
PhilDoc

Correct me if I'm wrong, but done we need a floppy to load XP drivers?

As for the IDE channels, it probably depends on what hardware you have. Personally, I need at least one for cdrom/dvd stuff and would hate to see them go completely. Other than that, I dont really see the benefit of having one vs two. I can't imagine there would be much of a cost benefit. So why not leave it at two.

I could also use more SATA channels, but I cant see why you'd have to get rid of the IDE channels to do that.
09-22-2007, 09:45 AM
nn_step

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhilDoc

Correct me if I'm wrong, but done we need a floppy to load XP drivers?

As for the IDE channels, it probably depends on what hardware you have. Personally, I need at least one for cdrom/dvd stuff and would hate to see them go completely. Other than that, I dont really see the benefit of having one vs two. I can't imagine there would be much of a cost benefit. So why not leave it at two.

I could also use more SATA channels, but I cant see why you'd have to get rid of the IDE channels to do that.

not anymore
09-22-2007, 10:19 AM
THE JEW (RaVeN)

Quote:

Originally Posted by nn_step

not anymore

Not even when you're installing the RAID controller at the initial install of XP? If not, how? I'd like to know as it's the only reason I still have a floppy.
09-22-2007, 10:24 AM
nn_step

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE JEW (RaVeN)

Not even when you're installing the RAID controller at the initial install of XP? If not, how? I'd like to know as it's the only reason I still have a floppy.

are the SATA controllers that you Native?
If yes, Then you will be the exception to the 99% rule
if no, what do you expect
09-22-2007, 10:34 AM
funnyperson1

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhilDoc

Correct me if I'm wrong, but done we need a floppy to load XP drivers?

As for the IDE channels, it probably depends on what hardware you have. Personally, I need at least one for cdrom/dvd stuff and would hate to see them go completely. Other than that, I dont really see the benefit of having one vs two. I can't imagine there would be much of a cost benefit. So why not leave it at two.

I could also use more SATA channels, but I cant see why you'd have to get rid of the IDE channels to do that.

Yes you do, unless you slipstream the driver onto your install disc.

Myself I have a perfectly good 160gb IDE drive, and IDE DVDRW, I see no reason to replace them. I would like to be able to put them on seperate channels.
09-22-2007, 11:29 AM
PhilDoc

Quote:

Originally Posted by funnyperson1

Yes you do, unless you slipstream the driver onto your install disc.

Myself I have a perfectly good 160gb IDE drive, and IDE DVDRW, I see no reason to replace them. I would like to be able to put them on seperate channels.

Its been a while since I've run an IDE hardrive, but irrc, you need to have them on separate channels to ge the best performance. I wouldn't want to replace it either and I wouldn't want to have to buy another card just to use it. I agree, just leave it at two IDE channels. If you don't like them and hate the cables, then just don't use it, I don't see the problem

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