AMD R790 Thermal Disipation

We at Chilehardware are really proud to have released so much info about this upcoming chipset it all started in October 2006 and we havent stopped.


Cold as Ice :D


AMD esta pronto a lanzar su RD790, chipset high end para sus procesadores AMD64. Estoy seguro que hemos sido el sitio con mas información y mas primicias sobre la nueva generación de chipsets de AMD.

History:

Informacion Confidencial de ATI
Mas información sobre RD790
Roadmap AMD-Chipsets
AMD RD790 Codename: Wahoo
Update AMD CHipset Roadmap
Gigabyte RD790 Quad Crossfire


Resume:

• RD790 es el chipset High End de AMD
• RD790 sera fabricado en 65nm su voltaje operacional sera de 1.1v
• Su dimension es de 27x27mm
• Soportara HT3
• Socket F 1207 pines puede soportar hasta 2 CPUs
• PCI-Express 2.0 en 2x16x o 4x8x
• Fecha de lanzamiento H2 2007

Ahora la novedad:

Max Tcase: Máxima temperatura recomendada de funcionamiento, 105ºC
Tj MAx: Máxima temperatura que puede soportar sin daños al chipset
Temperatura mínima de funcionamiento: 0ºC


Estas mediciones se llevan a cabo en el pero escenario posible, para AMD este es el siguiente:

Correr 3dmark01 o 3dmark06 a una resolución mínima de 1600x1200 con una temperatura ambiente de 45ºC, manteniendo los ventiladores del sistema al mínimo de sus RPM.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...0/TDPRD790.jpg


Con un TDP tan bajo volveremos a los pequeños coolers para los chipsets, este es el cooler recomendado por AMD para este Chipset.


http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...ecomendado.jpg

Source: CHW Lethal Squad

p.d.Sorry about spanish but you get most of the idea or you can use google translate :)

15W TDP :)
Thats lovely for a chipset.
Intel could try to come at least close to that with their high end chipsets ;)

Wow if true this is sweet. Although id rather have 2x PCIE x16. Im hoping RD780 will have that.

Very nice. I like to see next gen hardware with low TDP. Makes me happy inside to know my bills will be lower. :)

a full 10w cooler than an nForce4 :woot:

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9...hipsetsld0.jpg

I dont believe Nubforce chipsets will ever be cool! :p:

good to see a low TDP considering it´s a high end chipset. more-less on par with P35 but X38 will be way higher if the rumours of 35W comes true.

That's like a tenth of the 680 :D

//Andreas

I hope it's a beast of a chipset for OCing Phenom :D

This is really good news for AMD im happy for them

good news and AMD haven't gone in a sentence in a long time..

woot no heatpipe theme park mobos from AMD.

15W TDP and all nice features like 2 CPU support, HT3, PCIe2.0 (2x16 or 4x8), etc... So you can't even compare it to X38! You need to look at power hungry Intel server chipset with half of that capabilities...

We also need to remember that with K10 CPU this chipset will be conserving power together with CPU when in PowerSaving mode. Simply when K10 will shut down half of HT bus due to low usage, other end of the bus (RD790) will also conserve power. It's kinda 2 birds at one stone :) .

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Originally Posted by Lightman

15W TDP and all nice features like 2 CPU support, HT3, PCIe2.0 (2x16 or 4x8), etc... So you can't even compare it to X38! You need to look at power hungry Intel server chipset with half of that capabilities...

We also need to remember that with K10 CPU this chipset will be conserving power together with CPU when in PowerSaving mode. Simply when K10 will shut down half of HT bus due to low usage, other end of the bus (RD790) will also conserve power. It's kinda 2 birds at one stone :) .

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Shhh, Intel isn't supposed to notice that until 3 months after it comes out ;)

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Originally Posted by Lightman

15W TDP and all nice features like 2 CPU support, HT3, PCIe2.0 (2x16 or 4x8), etc... So you can't even compare it to X38! You need to look at power hungry Intel server chipset with half of that capabilities...

We also need to remember that with K10 CPU this chipset will be conserving power together with CPU when in PowerSaving mode. Simply when K10 will shut down half of HT bus due to low usage, other end of the bus (RD790) will also conserve power. It's kinda 2 birds at one stone :) .

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Oh man things like that make deciding between Q6600 in a few weeks or waiting till K10 very hard! Dropping the power consumption by that much will help out immensly at night when I dont want to sweat in my sleep, sep in the winter time when I welcome it.







Will we ever have Pci-e 16/16 buses? Seems all I ever see is 16/4 and 8/8 :/

What's up with the Socket F? Is it just for the FX or will they make it for proper server boards also?

that are very good news! thank you for sharing to us :)

browncoatGR ... rd790 support two pci express 16x lanes or four pci express 8x lanes..

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Oh man things like that make deciding between Q6600 in a few weeks or waiting till K10 very hard! Dropping the power consumption by that much will help out immensly at night when I dont want to sweat in my sleep, sep in the winter time when I welcome it.







Will we ever have Pci-e 16/16 buses? Seems all I ever see is 16/4 and 8/8 :/

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I know. I really want a new PC soon, but I have to wait to late August anyway...so it makes Q6600 or wait till K10 a very hard choice :( :yepp:

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Originally Posted by Fr3ak

15W TDP :)
Thats lovely for a chipset.
Intel could try to come at least close to that with their high end chipsets ;)

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RD790 doesn't include a memory controller, that makes a big difference.

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Originally Posted by Micutzu

RD790 doesn't include a memory controller, that makes a big difference.

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yeah well , bout time somebody agreed that not having a memory controller on the motherboard is better. Too much lately have people been ranting and raving about the memory controllers on the nb that intel has. But does saying that give intel an excuse for higher TDP ???? Then AMD should be given an excuse if barcelona ran hotter than Kentsfield or Penryn since it DOES have a memory controller on board too eh ;)


just a thought ....... just a thought :p:

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yeah well , bout time somebody agreed that not having a memory controller on the motherboard is better. Too much lately have people been ranting and raving about the memory controllers on the nb that intel has. But does saying that give intel an excuse for higher TDP ???? Then AMD should be given an excuse if barcelona ran hotter than Kentsfield or Penryn since it DOES have a memory controller on board too eh ;)


just a thought ....... just a thought :p:

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Hey, no using logic around fanboys.

Damn my 49 in Spanish II...

now we all need a good phenom .. :)

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Originally Posted by Poodle

What's up with the Socket F? Is it just for the FX or will they make it for proper server boards also?

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Socket F has been the server socket since the start

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Originally Posted by Lightman

15W TDP and all nice features like 2 CPU support, HT3, PCIe2.0 (2x16 or 4x8), etc... So you can't even compare it to X38! You need to look at power hungry Intel server chipset with half of that capabilities...
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Intel's chipsets are done on 90nm ( X38/P35/P965 ) or 130nm ( 975 ).

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Originally Posted by ownage

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9...hipsetsld0.jpg

I dont believe Nubforce chipsets will ever be cool! :p:

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That chart dont reflect reality. P965 uses less power and is alot cooler than x975. Theinq made same mistake.

We can just look on the actual (prototype) boards:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7580

I only see small heatsinks on the 780 boards, not 790.

Nice. But I still won't get one unless K10 is a keeper.

And, even with only Spanish I in the bag, I can comprehend the conversation

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Originally Posted by savantu

Intel's chipsets are done on 90nm ( X38/P35/P965 ) or 130nm ( 975 ).

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that´s supposed to be excuse or...? it´s like saying don´t compare K10´s TDP to Penryn´s because K10 is 65nm. it´s not AMD´s fault that Intel´s chipsets are done on 90nm.

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Originally Posted by Shintai

We can just look on the actual (prototype) boards:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7580

I only see small heatsinks on the 780 boards, not 790.

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that doesn´t mean anything. P35 TDP is supposed to be 16W(although I find it suspicious when power consumption of same system is lower on P965) and look what heatsinks most of the boards use.

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Originally Posted by dexman

that´s supposed to be excuse or...? it´s like saying don´t compare K10´s TDP to Penryn´s because K10 is 65nm. it´s not AMD´s fault that Intel´s chipsets are done on 90nm.

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No , it's not an excuse , it's an explanation.

Secondly , X38 has all the features of RD790.

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Originally Posted by savantu

No , it's not an excuse , it's an explanation.

Secondly , X38 has all the features of RD790.

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If it's true then show me dual socket motherboard based on this chipset ....
Going by this logic you can claim that X38 is way better than RD790 because it have DDR3(2) memory controller on die, where RD790 lack it :p: . Similarities between these two are ending on same set of basic I/O, PCIe Gen2, SATA support, maybe RAID modes and approximately same release date to market (where Intel probably will be faster by month or two).

Really looking forward to trying out this new chipset, using the steamy nNvidia 590 (Gigashyte POS) was very disappointing :down:

The platform AMD offers for Phenom looks absolutely awesome, but one can only hope the CPU will be worth the $.
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Originally Posted by savantu

No , it's not an excuse , it's an explanation.

Secondly , X38 has all the features of RD790.

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Always same guy wich comes to spam AMD thread.
"R790 has low TDP"
Intel boy spammer "Same has Intel X38 and X38 has same features"
No one speaks about X38 so no one says X38 has less features :shrug:

I'll believe it when I see it.

This is basically a ATi chipset with AMD's name on it (being as AMD never had their own chipset out for sockets 754/939).

Past chipsets such as RD580/RD600 were supposed to have low TDP and run amazingly cool, but neither did.

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Originally Posted by Mekrel

I'll believe it when I see it.

This is basically a ATi chipset with AMD's name on it (being as AMD never had their own chipset out for sockets 754/939).

Past chipsets such as RD580/RD600 were supposed to have low TDP and run amazingly cool, but neither did.

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I think the RD600 was pretty cool, and the RD580 was even cooler if I remember correctly. It's not Ati's fault that DFI put on the worst heatsink ever.

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/d...1222/13738.png

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Originally Posted by Mekrel

I'll believe it when I see it.

This is basically a ATi chipset with AMD's name on it (being as AMD never had their own chipset out for sockets 754/939).

Past chipsets such as RD580/RD600 were supposed to have low TDP and run amazingly cool, but neither did.

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Well 690G and 690GM is very popular chip7. Almost all AMD notebooks came with 690GM, and 1 milion 690G boards were sold.

I think that RD7xx will continue with a good series of chip7, and AMD had lot´s of time to work with ATI to make sure that the best chip7 for K10 is made by AMD/ATI.

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Originally Posted by Mekrel

I'll believe it when I see it.

This is basically a ATi chipset with AMD's name on it (being as AMD never had their own chipset out for sockets 754/939).

Past chipsets such as RD580/RD600 were supposed to have low TDP and run amazingly cool, but neither did.

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which planet have you been living in ???? I have run Nforce and ATI chipsets and I can say for a fact that ATI chipset never goes over 40C , no matter the voltage , no matter the HT , no matter the FSB. I have an MSI K9A platinum which has passive cooling on nb and sb and it rocks 350 mhz day in day out without blinking or melting the hsf. Try raising the volts on an nforce based mobo and you will see how cool they run.

Please do not spread misinformation or add ridiculous nonsense to a decent thread. :shakes:

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Originally Posted by |3ourne

which planet have you been living in ???? I have run Nforce and ATI chipsets and I can say for a fact that ATI chipset never goes over 40C , no matter the voltage , no matter the HT , no matter the FSB. I have an MSI K9A platinum which has passive cooling on nb and sb and it rocks 350 mhz day in day out without blinking or melting the hsf. Try raising the volts on an nforce based mobo and you will see how cool they run.

Please do not spread misinformation or add ridiculous nonsense to a decent thread. :shakes:

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You see when you say "never" it makes people prove you wrong. Have you tried putting max volts through your chipset &/or volt modding it? There is always a way to send a chip over 40c.

I do expect the RD7xx chips to be cool running but they might sacrifice a couple of features compared to the nForce 7xx chips which will undoubtedly run hotter.

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Originally Posted by |3ourne

which planet have you been living in ???? I have run Nforce and ATI chipsets and I can say for a fact that ATI chipset never goes over 40C , no matter the voltage , no matter the HT , no matter the FSB. I have an MSI K9A platinum which has passive cooling on nb and sb and it rocks 350 mhz day in day out without blinking or melting the hsf. Try raising the volts on an nforce based mobo and you will see how cool they run.

Please do not spread misinformation or add ridiculous nonsense to a decent thread. :shakes:

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Care to come and play with my RD600 board?

It's a hot running chipset - even under water and I've not even taken it past 1.5v which is the recommended voltage not to pass by AMD and Tony.

The fact the chipset takes 1.7v+ to do 450+ FSB 1:1 and 2v for around 500 (unlinked). Other chipsets can do that without even needing a voltage raise.

Read the ICFX3200 thread and pretty much everyone echos the same verdict.

nForce2, nForce3 250GB, nForce4 Ultra we're all the best chipsets for their platforms. I would imagine the upcoming chipsets from AMD/ATi will be more competitive since the take over.

I'm sorry that it upsets you that I'm cynical about new hardware, it's a well known fact everyone over hypes releases for hardware. I was sucked in by the RD600 hype.

Another point is the SB chips from ATi have always been under performers. SB480 was a joke, making motherboard companies chose ULi to pair with RD420/580 and it was promised that SB600 would be amazing. Yet the RAID performance of the chip is dire.

You jump for joy at a 10W chipset, only to then put a 150W cpu and 220W videocard in the system, right?

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Originally Posted by DeathReborn

I do expect the RD7xx chips to be cool running but they might sacrifice a couple of features compared to the nForce 7xx chips which will undoubtedly run hotter.

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why running cooler make them sacrifice features?

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Originally Posted by Mekrel

Care to come and play with my RD600 board?

It's a hot running chipset - even under water and I've not even taken it past 1.5v which is the recommended voltage not to pass by AMD and Tony.

The fact the chipset takes 1.7v+ to do 450+ FSB 1:1 and 2v for around 500 (unlinked). Other chipsets can do that without even needing a voltage raise.

Read the ICFX3200 thread and pretty much everyone echos the same verdict.

nForce2, nForce3 250GB, nForce4 Ultra we're all the best chipsets for their platforms. I would imagine the upcoming chipsets from AMD/ATi will be more competitive since the take over.

I'm sorry that it upsets you that I'm cynical about new hardware, it's a well known fact everyone over hypes releases for hardware. I was sucked in by the RD600 hype.

Another point is the SB chips from ATi have always been under performers. SB480 was a joke, making motherboard companies chose ULi to pair with RD420/580 and it was promised that SB600 would be amazing. Yet the RAID performance of the chip is dire.

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May learn to tweak your board. With 1.45 i get 450MHz and 500 with 1.75. Go play with Nvidia 680 and will see if RD600 suck so much.

It has nothing to do with tweaking, people have reported the same. Sending boards back, getting RMA replacements which can't do the same settings as the board they sent back. It's completely random.

Running sync (which was faster) took so much voltage, thats why it took me 1.7 pretty much to get that sort of FSB out of it.

ICFX was a nice tweaking board, but RD600 is the worst chipset out of 965/975/680i/P35. Slowest clock for clock because of the dual bus design to give full unlinkable memory, poor raid performance, seemed very fragile with the amount of dead boards.

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Originally Posted by Mekrel

Care to come and play with my RD600 board?

It's a hot running chipset - even under water and I've not even taken it past 1.5v which is the recommended voltage not to pass by AMD and Tony.

The fact the chipset takes 1.7v+ to do 450+ FSB 1:1 and 2v for around 500 (unlinked). Other chipsets can do that without even needing a voltage raise.

Read the ICFX3200 thread and pretty much everyone echos the same verdict.

nForce2, nForce3 250GB, nForce4 Ultra we're all the best chipsets for their platforms. I would imagine the upcoming chipsets from AMD/ATi will be more competitive since the take over.

I'm sorry that it upsets you that I'm cynical about new hardware, it's a well known fact everyone over hypes releases for hardware. I was sucked in by the RD600 hype.

Another point is the SB chips from ATi have always been under performers. SB480 was a joke, making motherboard companies chose ULi to pair with RD420/580 and it was promised that SB600 would be amazing. Yet the RAID performance of the chip is dire.

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It is expected to get hot when you crank volts into it ;)
RD600 uses SB600, which is equal (slightly superior) to the current Intel and nVidia southbridges.

It was hot at default voltages. My DangerDen block was on it fine though, even had ATi impressed into the copper when I removed the block.

I know RD600 uses SB600 - the raid performance was pap though. The only good raid performance figures I saw was 4 * 150GB raptor raid by Fugger. All the other benchmarks by members who owned the board showed it to be slower than ICH8.

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Originally Posted by Mekrel

It was hot at default voltages. My DangerDen block was on it fine though, even had ATi impressed into the copper when I removed the block.

I know RD600 uses SB600 - the raid performance was pap though. The only good raid performance figures I saw was 4 * 150GB raptor raid by Fugger. All the other benchmarks by members who owned the board showed it to be slower than ICH8.

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User friendly performance and high performance are not always one and the same

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Originally Posted by nn_step

RD600 uses SB600, which is equal (slightly superior) to the current Intel and nVidia southbridges.

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Yep, youre right. Amd doesnt need an SB upgrade (at least for now) since it is a very good performer

so...... when will somebody step up and change the title of this thread?

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Originally Posted by Shintai

We can just look on the actual (prototype) boards:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7580

I only see small heatsinks on the 780 boards, not 790.

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Jesus Christ you're pathethic.

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Originally Posted by DoubleZero

Jesus Christ you're pathethic.

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And you now have a 3 day vacation to think about your language.
People here aren't to be insulted.
You can feel privileged though.
You the first non spammer that I've given a vacation to.:D

I do hope I'm going to be proved wrong with the new AMD chipsets, my previous experiences were probably due to owning 3 nForce chipsets (nF2 Ultra, nF3 250GB and nF4 UltrA) which were all very robust chipsets.

Anyone know why SB600 only had two stripe sizes for raid 0? 64k and 128k were the only selectable raid array sizes :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Lightman

15W TDP and all nice features like 2 CPU support, HT3, PCIe2.0 (2x16 or 4x8), etc... So you can't even compare it to X38! You need to look at power hungry Intel server chipset with half of that capabilities...

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Intel's chipsets are done on 90nm ( X38/P35/P965 ) or 130nm ( 975 ).

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Excuses, excuses...

AMD makes 90nm CPU's with IMC which you compare to Intel's 65nm CPU's withouth an IMC.

Now you are saying that Intel chipsets carry the extra weight of an MC and being produced on 90nm compared to AMD's RD790 which has no MC and you seem to belive is made on process smaller then 90nm. You are saying this comparison is not vaild yet everyone here uses that comparison when CPU's are involved.

RD790 is going to be a better chipset then X38 and it will run cooler so learn to deal with it because thats just the way things are.


DoubleZero, do your self a favour when you come from your "holiday" and add ShIntel to your ignore list it helps alot trust me.

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Excuses, excuses...

AMD makes 90nm CPU's with IMC which you compare to Intel's 65nm CPU's withouth an IMC.

Now you are saying that Intel chipsets carry the extra weight of an MC and being produced on 90nm compared to AMD's RD790 which has no MC and you seem to belive is made on process smaller then 90nm. You are saying this comparison is not vaild yet everyone here uses that comparison when CPU's are involved.

RD790 is going to be a better chipset then X38 and it will run cooler so learn to deal with it because thats just the way things are.

DoubleZero, do your self a favour when you come from your "holiday" and add ShIntel to your ignore list it helps alot trust me.

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I sent DoubleZero on his "holiday" and if you don't change your tone you can join him. I've had enough of this getting emailed 60 times a day over reported posts because someone pissed in someones cheerios.

I highlighted the part of your post that you could have left out and still made your point.
Then the second you should have done by PM. To do it here constitutes and attack on Shintai..Deserved or not..
Get my point? Play nice please and leave out the personal stuff so my fingers don't get arthritis from typing these messages.
Thank you.

I think one thing we can all agree on is, that the chipsets are getting down slowly after nVidia hit the roof (hopefully).

Secondly, you cant just calculate TDP using Icc max and the voltage. Alot, if not all of the time its for very short peaks only. The prime example is x975 vs P965.

It should also be pretty clear that this northbridge cooler cant remove 19W
http://usa.asus.com/prog_content/mid...spx?model=1595

In that case, we could just aswell run P-Ms with the same cooler. Or mobile C2D/Turion with alitte bigger passive too. To help compare, even VIA CPus tend to use an active cooler over 10-12W.

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Originally Posted by nn_step

RD600 uses SB600, which is equal (slightly superior) to the current Intel and nVidia southbridges.

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ROFL :rofl:

SB600 is superior to NVIDIA's suckbridges, yes.. but saying it is superior to ICH7R, ICH8R or ICH9R makes me LOL. Ever compare SATA HDD performance? It's like night and day!

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Originally Posted by Shintai

I think one thing we can all agree on is, that the chipsets are getting down slowly after nVidia hit the roof (hopefully).

Secondly, you cant just calculate TDP using Icc max and the voltage. Alot, if not all of the time its for very short peaks only. The prime example is x975 vs P965.

It should also be pretty clear that this northbridge cooler cant remove 19W
http://usa.asus.com/prog_content/mid...spx?model=1595

In that case, we could just aswell run P-Ms with the same cooler. Or mobile C2D/Turion with alitte bigger passive too. To help compare, even VIA CPus tend to use an active cooler over 10-12W.

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Well one of the nice features of thermal dynamics is that you can just make a bigger heatsink and it'll keep quiet and cool but you'll get the rollercoaster style of heatsinks that have now become popular on Intel boards. I'd also light to note that under 5w doesn't require any heatsink (unless you want to overclock it) I do however believe that 15w is going to be the high end, since a good many of their CPUs are spec'd for 65w and perform with much less power.

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ROFL :rofl:

SB600 is superior to NVIDIA's suckbridges, yes.. but saying it is superior to ICH7R, ICH8R or ICH9R makes me LOL. Ever compare SATA HDD performance? It's like night and day!

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http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2891&p=6
I know for a fact that the SB600 outperforms Intel ICH7R

This is exactly what I'm on about with reviews, nice to see they conveniently left out SB600 RAID in that test. It really does suffer in a RAID setup. I'm sure it's down to the array size like I said earlier.

Fuggers 4*150GB raptor raid array was probably fast because of this reason, where as my 2*150GB raptor raid array is slow. Tried with both 64 and 128k.

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Well one of the nice features of thermal dynamics is that you can just make a bigger heatsink and it'll keep quiet and cool but you'll get the rollercoaster style of heatsinks that have now become popular on Intel boards. I'd also light to note that under 5w doesn't require any heatsink (unless you want to overclock it) I do however believe that 15w is going to be the high end, since a good many of their CPUs are spec'd for 65w and perform with much less power.


http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2891&p=6
I know for a fact that the SB600 outperforms Intel ICH7R

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Uhm,...you do know its everyone that uses alot of copper?
And you do know Intel boards also comes in the "copper light editions"? Just like the P5B Plus I showed you.

Is this a rollercoaster board?
http://us.dfi.com.tw/Upload/Product_...Y%20975X-G.jpg

And what would you call this?
http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/5...US_M3A_MVP.jpg

5W, no heatsink? Wrong again. In that case no southbridge would have it. And the VIA CPus stillawith a heatsink wouldn´t need it.

1. P5B Plus heat like hell as soon you overclock.
2. 975X not very hot for sure.
3. Come on its Asus, they put ton of copper everywhere :D

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Uhm,...you do know its everyone that uses alot of copper?
And you do know Intel boards also comes in the "copper light editions"? Just like the P5B Plus I showed you.

Is this a rollercoaster board?
http://us.dfi.com.tw/Upload/Product_...Y%20975X-G.jpg

And what would you call this?
http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/5...US_M3A_MVP.jpg

5W, no heatsink? Wrong again. In that case no southbridge would have it. And the VIA CPus stillawith a heatsink wouldn´t need it.

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The second board is an example of rollercoaster heatsink, the first isn't.
Take a Via 890 and remove the heatsink and It'll run just fine in 70f temps

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The second board is an example of rollercoaster heatsink, the first isn't.
Take a Via 890 and remove the heatsink and It'll run just fine in 70f temps

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So in that case the AMD board is the rollercoster and the Intel aint? So small things to change the perception.

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So in that case the AMD board is the rollercoster and the Intel aint? So small things to change the perception.

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nope, to show one example of an AMD rollercoaster board and one example of one Intel nonrollercoaster board doesn't prove a point.
look 144 AMD boards that aren't rollercoaster (14 that are) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...nufactory=1521
and look 96 Intel board that are rollercoaster
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...d&Order=PRICED

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Originally Posted by nn_step

nope, to show one example of an AMD rollercoaster board and one example of one Intel nonrollercoaster board doesn't prove a point.
look 144 AMD boards that aren't rollercoaster (14 that are) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...nufactory=1521
and look 96 Intel board that are rollercoaster
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...d&Order=PRICED

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You make a mood point. fact is we can show about an equal number of each with the same rollercoaster heatsinks. not because they need them as such. but because people buy blink. Rigth now its abit more with Intel, but thats because Intel got the performance crowd and enthutiast boards are targetted at that. 96 got, 238 doesnt. So again, whats the point in terms of TDP?

Remember?

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Well one of the nice features of thermal dynamics is that you can just make a bigger heatsink and it'll keep quiet and cool but you'll get the rollercoaster style of heatsinks that have now become popular on Intel boards

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Also your southbridge note:

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I'd also light to note that under 5w doesn't require any heatsink (unless you want to overclock it)

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So wrong wrong wrong wrong. You think even the lowend boards with a small northbridge heatsink would have a heatsink on the southbridge if it wasn´t required with razor thin margins?

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Originally Posted by Mekrel

It has nothing to do with tweaking, people have reported the same. Sending boards back, getting RMA replacements which can't do the same settings as the board they sent back. It's completely random.

Running sync (which was faster) took so much voltage, thats why it took me 1.7 pretty much to get that sort of FSB out of it.

ICFX was a nice tweaking board, but RD600 is the worst chipset out of 965/975/680i/P35. Slowest clock for clock because of the dual bus design to give full unlinkable memory, poor raid performance, seemed very fragile with the amount of dead boards.

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I think your confusing what DFI and what Ati does with this board. How can Ati make the board fragile? And the raid performance is still ahead of nVidia so the board is between intel and nVidia in that area. http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/02/...lls/page9.html

It's still a cooler board then what both intel and nvidia has to offer. If you crank up the voltage to say around 2V on the RD600 and then on the 680 and and we use the same cooler, the 680 would be the hotter running chipset. http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/02/...ls/page11.html

And yes the chipset is slower clock for clock but it's still faster in 3dgames.

Btw you have en insanely bad board if it takes you 1.7V to get 450+ FSB. I've returned boards for less.

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Originally Posted by Shintai

And what would you call this?
http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/5...US_M3A_MVP.jpg

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I call it Asus slowly realizing how to properly cool motherboards components. It seems to me that NB is not connected to the power circuitry at all which absolutely makes sense. Only thing I don't like and don't get are the heatpipes on the right side of NB ending between rams.(sandwich heater for rams?:stick: )

Don't make judgment based on one board. If I had to make an opinion on P35 by looking at DQ6 I would had to called it a power hog, which is not a case. See DS3 heatsink.

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5W, no heatsink? Wrong again. In that case no southbridge would have it. And the VIA CPus stillawith a heatsink wouldn´t need it.

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You don' necassary need heatsink for 4-5W SB. There are boards that don't have one. I think they use them just in case, they´re cheap anyway and might help with stability when non-stock voltages are applied.

I wouldnt use RAID without a seperate controller, although these are hard to find for pcie or too expensive.

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Originally Posted by dexman

I call it Asus slowly realizing how to properly cool motherboards components. It seems to me that NB is not connected to the power circuitry at all which absolutely makes sense. Only thing I don't like and don't get are the heatpipes on the right side of NB ending between rams.(sandwich heater for rams?:stick: )

Don't make judgment based on one board. If I had to make an opinion on P35 by looking at DQ6 I would had to called it a power hog, which is not a case. See DS3 heatsink.

You don' necassary need heatsink for 4-5W SB. There are boards that don't have one. I think they use them just in case, they´re cheap anyway and might help with stability when non-stock voltages are applied.

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I dont make any judgement on that. nn_step does.

The NB is connected to the power heatsink btw.

Can you show me boards that are in the 3-4W TDP range on the southbridge that dont have a heatsink on it? Even cheap aint cheap enough if it aint needed on the lowend boards.

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Originally Posted by Gambit_2K

I think your confusing what DFI and what Ati does with this board. How can Ati make the board fragile? And the raid performance is still ahead of nVidia so the board is between intel and nVidia in that area. http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/02/...lls/page9.html

It's still a cooler board then what both intel and nvidia has to offer. If you crank up the voltage to say around 2V on the RD600 and then on the 680 and and we use the same cooler, the 680 would be the hotter running chipset. http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/02/...ls/page11.html

And yes the chipset is slower clock for clock but it's still faster in 3dgames.

Btw you have en insanely bad board if it takes you 1.7V to get 450+ FSB. I've returned boards for less.

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I'm on a bout the chipset, not the board itself. A low voltage of 1.5v being specified as the safe max with any time of cooling makes it very fragile. Proof is in the pudding as they say, and the RMA rate of the board is high.

Raid performance is slow, seriously - why are people arguing this?
There is a few posts where people such as OldGuy and a few other members in the RD600 thread by Tony where ATi Raid results are shocking. 680i raid isn't brilliant, being as it took a few bios releases to even make it useable but you can at least tweak it through drivers, such as turning off command queuing etc. Something you can't do on RD600.

I have the product, and I'm slating it because it's the poorest implementation of RAID I have ever used. Still, I'll ask for a third time - why do you only have the choice of 64k and 128k for ATi Raid? Is it really that untweakable?

Well my board is bad, it has never ran right from the start. It has a broken dimm slot and doesn't apply voltages right.

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I dont make any judgement on that. nn_step does.

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re-read you first post of this thread. you were implying that RD790 can't be that cool with all that copper, based on one board showing.

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Can you show me boards that are in the 3-4W TDP range on the southbridge that dont have a heatsink on it? Even cheap aint cheap enough if it aint needed on the lowend boards.

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it's not needed for most of the times but there are situations when it may come handy and saves some RMAs - hot countries, poor airflow in the case... you get the picture. those tiny heatsinks aren't being a great help anyway.

http://www.asus.com.tw/products4.asp...97&modelmenu=2
http://www.intel.com/products/mother...GCCR/index.htm
http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?m...3&l2=11&l3=473

At first I thought it really was a vpu @ 15w before I noticed the chart said RD790. Anyway, 15w for a chipset is really nice too. :)

Will there be an Intel CPU compatible equivalent? (I guess not...)

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Originally Posted by Mekrel

I'll believe it when I see it.

This is basically a ATi chipset with AMD's name on it (being as AMD never had their own chipset out for sockets 754/939).

Past chipsets such as RD580/RD600 were supposed to have low TDP and run amazingly cool, but neither did.

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As |3ourne said before. The RD580 chipset is NOT hot and has low TDP.

My evidence on that is that I know, I have played with 3 RD580 boards, many sites has proved that so is and the SB600 is also very good with low TDP and has excellent USB/SATA performance. Shortly said, a very good chipset that also seems to be compatible with the upcoming Phenom processors like other AM2 boards should be.

the severs have socket p, aka 2x socket f, or socket l single is the same as socket f they have to many names for the same socket

and the nihilem will have the same integrated style memory controller so well so who gets the win there

Looking forward to the RS790, hopefully a worthy successor to the 690G.

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Damn my 49 in Spanish II...

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i slept in class in spanish 2 didn't try etc. did none fo the homework etc. relied off my tests and quizes()don't even know my 2nd semester grade, I had senioritis. I understood every word on there. They are mostly cognates.

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AMD is quickly coming up with their RD790, high end chipset for their AMD64 processors. I have secured that el sitio with much info on the new generation of AMD chipsets.

History:

confidential ATi info
Lots of info on RD790
Roadmap AMD-Chipsets
AMD RD790 Codename: Wahoo
Update AMD CHipset Roadmap
Gigabyte RD790 Quad Crossfire


Resume:

* RD790 is AMD's highend chipset
* RD790 is made @ 65nm and operates at 1.1v
* has demensions of 27x27mm
* Supports HT3
* Socket F 1207 with 2P support
* PCI-Express 2.0 with 2x16x or 4x8x
* date of launch is H2 2007

now the novelty:

Max Tcase: Max temp recomended 105ºC
Tj MAx: Max temp that it can support with damage to the chipset
min Temperature of operation: 0ºC


These solutions arise from the possible scenario AMD presented.it is the following:

Running 3dmark01 ot 3dmark06 at a min resolusion of 1600x1200 with an ambient temp of 45ºC, maintaining the system's fans at minimal RPMs.




with such a TDP with small, low RPM chipset coolers , are recommended by AMD for this chipset.

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it's a rough translation but the meaning is all there. Someone correct me if otherwise. para soy gringo y no hablo espanol con frequencia. Tambien no sabo como insertar acentos

Good job AMD not release a good CPU and competition will be back at least for a while ;)

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Originally Posted by Mekrel

I'll believe it when I see it.

This is basically a ATi chipset with AMD's name on it (being as AMD never had their own chipset out for sockets 754/939).

Past chipsets such as RD580/RD600 were supposed to have low TDP and run amazingly cool, but neither did.

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Thanks to OCW for the Review of the socket 754 AMD based chipset board.

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On board VIA 6306 chip provides 3* IEEE 1394 ports
Anti Burn Regulator to prevent system from overheating CPU core voltage, FSB & multiplier adjustable via BIOS setup via DIP switch
Serial ATA
Adjustable DIMM voltage
Adjustable AGP Voltage
Flexible PCI Divider and APIC/IRQ Sharing Options
Supports High-speed USB 2.0 ports
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Suspend to RAM, Suspend to Disk
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Overclocking Capability: CPU, DIMM, and AGP Voltage adjustable, CPU FSB, and AGP Frequency. Adjustable."

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So wrong wrong wrong wrong. You think even the lowend boards with a small northbridge heatsink would have a heatsink on the southbridge if it wasn´t required with razor thin margins?

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i'm pretty sure a small passive heatsink would cost a mobo manufacturer a dollar, maybe less. its just a scrap of metal, and heatpipes are also surprisingly cheap (i got a 2 metre long 1cm diameter heatpipe for 15 nz dollars, ~$10 US). an obvious reason for rollercoasters on Intel mobos is the design of the Intel stock heatsink design - the area around the socket gets airflow in all directions. heaps of 775 mobo cooling systems seem to be designed to take advantage of that. but i think there's a lot more 'marketing' in it than science, because c2d is known as a great clocker, so putting 5 dollars worth of heatpipes and copper fins on a motherboard is subliminal marketing to give the impression that the board is overclocking friendly.