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Dropping the price of the PS3 won’t ease Sony’s woes, says BoA analyst
"While Sony could cut the price by $150 - $200, we view that as less likely given that it is already losing approximately $200 per console at $599, based on our estimates," Savner said.
Ouch.
They really shouldn't have released the PS3 until they have exclusive titles ready at launch, otherwise no one has much motivation at all, to buy this thing.
I only bought the PS2 for Tekken Tag Tournament, just like many bought the Wii for Zelda(reguardless of its innovative controller), and people bought Xbox 360 for Halo.
i still dont get it why they created a console that costs them $800 to make.
a console was supposed to be much cheaper than a PC in the past now they put all the additional stuff like blueray etc and want to sell it for the price of an average pc:(
Because Sony wants the PS3 to last a decade or close to it...and in that time, they'll be amazingly cheap, selling like crazy, and developers will be utilizing its power to its full extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by AAbenson
I despise the PS3 as much as the next guy, but to underestimate it is a big mistake.
Perkam
ouch again, I still aint buyin.
Why? did one kill your dog?Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
on topic: I've always hated when a guy with a financial analyst certificate (BoA analyst) starts talking tech.
In 10yrs who's to say MS or even Nintendo won't exceed the PS3? In fact I woulndn't be surprised if Nintendo or MS coming out with a full body motion sensor to make games totally interaction. Imagine actually "running" away from an enemy or squatting or jumping to dodge attacks? The Wii-mote and the nunchuck thing is just the beginning. When all this happens in a few years, where would the PS3 be?
These financial analysts may not be as tech savvy as us on the technical side but they are also simply stating the obvious that the PS3 is a wound that will almost never heal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuperman
this year will be very bad for the PS3. very... very bad.
but sony will live and fight another day.
they are getting thier ass kicked, cause lets be honest here...
while they may have the best gaming console on the planet, no one wants to spend $600 on a console.
the 360 is already well past the point most people are comfortable spending for a console, and thats only $400.
honestly, what sony needs to do... is the exact opposite of what they are doing.
2 months ago, they killed off the 20 gig PS3.
a few months before that, they killed off the emotion chip.
heres what I would suggest for them.
the 20 gig PS3 is $399 or so isnt it?
kill off the emotion chip.
screw it. its nice and all, but its not the driving force to the PS3.
sure, people will :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: about. but let them.
the reason people buy next gen consoles... is for next gen games.
atleast, most do.
so cut off the emotion chip, let them :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:, but its a small segment they lose, but they have to lose, in order to maintain a profit that insures some chance of survival.
lose the chip - less cost to make PS3's = good in the end.
next, cut down the 20 gig drive to the absolute lowest end drive you can.
sure, it wont be great, but its still better then memory cards. a super cheap hard drive may not be great as a bragging point, but lower costs, will help sell PS3's. more PS3's getting sold, more game companies want thier games on the consoles.
if anything, the WII should prove, that people dont want absolute futuristic stuff. cheap consoles sell...
small hard drive, no emotion chip, + 100 dollar price drop = $299 PS3.
tell me, wouldnt you buy that?
hell yeah I would.
especially since us modders know we can put our own drives in it.
now, heres the second punch...
online games.
get a online arcade, and start porting every cheap old SNES/Gensis/Neo Geo... just old classic games, and get them on there cheap.
sell them cheap, $2 a day or something.
get people hyped on Sony Online.... just like Xbox Live.
then Undercut MS by making it cheap.
no Silver, and Gold and such.
just one price, for full access for a year to all content.
then classic games cheap.
then start porting every TV show that has some following, star gate, hercules, xena, futurama, star trek, x files, wrestling... everything thats "guy related".
then get movies, lots and lots and lottttts of them.
not 150 like Xbox live, but 2000 or something.
just undercut the competition.
thats a definate weakness sony has... sony online is just bland.
they need to get it 10 times more evolved.
cheap PS3 + better overall online experience... will bring the gamers back.
make me a PS3 tommorow, with a 10 gig hard drive, for $300 and I'd be buying it tommorow, without a doubt.
The PS3 would of been much more successful if they didn't push the Blue-Ray drive with the system. Not only would that of lowered the cost of the system it would of lowered there losses per system....
O and if they launched with at least One game that was good.
I myself think that while the cost of the console is part of the problem, it is not the only problem or even the main problem. I think the main problem is the lack of decent games for it. Even if they lowered the price by $200 who is going to buy it that hasn't already? No one ... there will still be the same crappy selection of games. Within the span of another 8-12 months things will get much much better for the PS3.
the Blue Ray Drive is a unavoidable part of the system now.
the games are made on it.
Guys you have to realise that a lot of companies that sell products like this budget in losses to the units at first sale and hope to make profits off the games/accessories afterwards. For example cellphone handsets.
i think Sony had budgeted for a breakeven/small loss, but things got out of hand. neverthless it'll probably turn some profit in the medium term. But if i was a cash flow analyst for Sony, I'd be carving people up. Whatever gain they make could be at a big oppurtunity cost for future innovation.
this hasnt been a small loss for sony. they are definatly not making a profit this year from anything, cause the combined loss from the PS3 has eaten up all profits from thier other products, from PC's to the Bravia...
this isnt small news, as they said a few times, the PS3 could very well kill sony from the losses are so massive.
what I am saying... is if they can make it 2 more years... they can survive.
but they need a ton of help in various ways.
start selling them TV's like crazy... and every other product they got, cause the PS3 is not gonna be thier bread winner anytime soon.
but if they can make the PS3 far more attractive to customers... which in my opinion, will take some drastic measures to do...
could very easily get them to the point, where the gaming, becomes again, what makes them a profitable company.
companies like sony, dont go outta business...
its not in countries interest to let major companies that employ hundreds of thousands of people all over the world, go outta business.
but, it could very well lead them to becoming either a smaller company... or getting taken over, cause of how weak they are as a company.
for sony to survive, as they are.... they gotta really get the PS3 into peoples houses. thats the short end of it.
no if, and, or buts about it.
the trick is... how to get people to buy the PS3.
The easiest way for Sony to increase the demand for the PS3 is to get more decent games out for it. The 360 was in a similar situation when it came out, although not quite as bad, but when they started getting good games out for it, it started to move along nicely.
In 10 years the PS3 will be extremely obsolete. It would be like comparing the PS1 to the PS3.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
why? His job is to study companies, talk with reps, and study market data. Other than Sony, analyst have the 2nd best information for the most part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuperman
i think kunaak has the best business plan for the PS3 right there. undercut MS on things that won't give you a larger loss then you are already taking. Add features that will add profit, not huge profit, but any profit, meaning, online experience. price drops on the console wont help because the increased sales volume won't make up for the loss in profit.
What's funny is how when everyone knew the PS3 was going to be a flop, the analysts would say "Yes, by 2010 PS3 will have sold 200 Billiion consoles and be on its way to victory" :rofl: Now they're finally changing their tune. The PS3 needs a game that's a system seller otherwise how will Sony make all their money back? :shakes: Thing is MS can drop the price on the 360 any day now, so i see the PS3 coming in last place this gen.
QFT, by then it'll be getting owned by the Xbox720.Quote:
Originally Posted by frankR
They do have some good looking games coming out for it in the next 8-12 months. Some are multi-console but they do have a few exclusives left too. I really think that will help them turn it around. Whether or not they can go back to #1 I dunno ... I think they do still have a chance though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingcarcas
So... why is a BoA guy talking about PS3?
So you think Sony should introduce a system like the old Xbox Live where you couldn't get online at all if you didn't pay? Silver/Gold is a much better system because even if people aren't playing multiplayer games (and therefore not chewing up bandwidth) they can still buy stuff from an online store.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunaak
Other than that point I agree with you.
Sony really needs to have a cheap PS3 out there. Blu-ray was their biggest mistake and its one that they can't fix now. They tried to win the format war with the PS3 but it backfired and now they need to win it in order to stop the console from leaching all the money out of the company.
Sony is not going to go down. Anyone who thinks that is just silly.
I'm pretty sick and tired of hearing all of this. The PS3 is losing Sony money??!??!? WHAT?? Since when?!?!
Seriously, yeah it got off to a rough start, but as soon as FFXIII and games like that are released everything will pick right up and HOPEFULLY everyone will STFU.
Pretty convincing argument :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by mcflurry4321
Last I checked the format war was not over. Not only that, Blu-Ray movies are selling better than HD-DVD. I honestly don't think that having the Blu-Ray will hurt them, in the long run it should benefit them, Sony was just trying to think too far ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobalt
When did I say the format war was over? But they still haven't won it and the PS3 didn't benifit them. My argument is that they shot themselves in the foot by relying on an unfinished war. They could still win but until they have market dominance, the Blu Ray drives are as much a hinderance as a help, and they could really do with less hinderances right now.
Wasn't an argument, just my opinion ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by sladesurfer
Just wondering how many more threads there are going to be started about Sony losing money from lack of PS3 sales.
sony loses 200$ on each ps3?
maybe i should buy one, put a picutre of sonys ceo on it and point at it every morning and laugh :D hmmmmm
PS3 is not that bad IMO. There is just nothing out there for it. I play the down loadable content more than what you can buy. I like the multimedia capabilities more than my 360's. I put in a 160GB drive in and have pretty much all my music on there. Im not sayin the 360 cant do it...its just seems easier on the PS3. I love the PS3 controllers though....it seems like you never have to charge these suckers.
PS3 needs killer games...thats what it comes down to. Just like the original XBox. MS was getting killed on the hardware cost, but good games made up for it.
Financial Analysts need to know about a company's product and need to know how it is doing and what it will be doing in the future. To think that they should not even be commenting on the PS3 is pure rubbish. If a product is losing the company MILLIONS of dollars the Fin An better know what the hell is going on. So leave them out of this they are doing their job which is very important for the survival of the company.
Now my opinion. I would only buy a console if it gave game changing content and features. The Wii does this to some extent, but many developers are still having a hard time getting the Wii-mote functionality down. Other than that my computer can do just about everything a console does and better. That and it can play music and movies in almost any format and still functions as a schoolwork and business machine. Honestly the only way I would get a 360 would be if Microsoft put their office suite on it for free and you could play movies and music on it with the same functionality as a PC. The Wii I still might buy if it gets some good hack and slash games with near perfect Wii-mote functionality. And I am not a big Zelda fan. A first person hack and slash is what I am looking for.
financial analysts now the :banana::banana::banana::banana: thats why they are working in that world they can predict the trend of something pretty much accurate those guys are smart... sony is gambling with their system so far they are loosing maybe they can offer something people would die for and buy the damn console right now they arent....
and also they are gambling with the succes of the br format tied to the fate of the ps3 how good can be that ?
You think Sony losing $200 per unit is a big deal? Microsoft loses close to that on every 360 they sell, and the same with the original XBox. They know they will eventually make it back in licensing.
Once the PS3 gets enough good games it will recover. The price is steep for sure, and that's going to be a barrier, but gamers don't blink at dropping $600 on a 8800GTX. This is a console with Blue-Ray. :D
This is my first post here. I've been lurking for a while figuring out what water-cooled setup I wanted to build. I learned a lot, and placed my order yesterday. Great forum with great information!
:D :D :D
If PS3 can make Blu Ray 'THE' HD format then it will have done its job. Personally the Blu Ray drive is as much of the attraction of PS3 as Tekken/Final Fantasy. I'm sure most people are like me though, and can't see the point of buying the console now. why buy it when theres no games you really want to play, when a year down the line it'll be £100+ cheaper, cooler and less power hungry (65nm process), and have a raft of AAA games. Its a no brainer really. The PS3 would have needed a big launch game if they expected people to pay full whack for any console, if anything Blu Ray saved the PS3 from flopping completely as that was the biggest selling point on day one.
the funny thing with blu ray, is that the PS3 is cheaper than some blu ray players.
I saw one @ Bestbuy for $400. I guess just add $200 more and you get a gaming system and a BL playerQuote:
Originally Posted by ex2cib
i was just looking at newegg a second ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by sladesurfer
sony has another blu ray player selling for $700.
buy a ps3 and be able to do more stuff than just watch movies
damn, i can see it already. Imagine having to run and actually kick the football to score a goal. oh wait, i can already do that. heck, people earn millions doing that everyweekQuote:
Originally Posted by situman
Not any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by _Slim_Shady_
you do realize that they are counting PS3 as total blueray sales. Hardly leading the pack bud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ub3r-L33ch
Ive alrwady predicted that within 3 years, Sony will be purchased and liquidated.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcflurry4321
FFXIII wont be their savior.. not to mention, just about every PS3 only title has gone multi-platform.
Orly? Since when do most gamers buy 8800GTXs? :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by _Slim_Shady_
Kingcarcas.
thats actually a pretty interesting article there.
more people should read it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ub3r-L33ch
the ONLY and i mean ONLY reason blue rays sales numbers are up is because Blue sales INCLUDE PS3 Games because they are a blue ray format disk.
period end of story.
to argue that,, well. do your research.
blue ray isnt killing hd dvd. not close to it.
regardless of having to buy a xbox 360 hd dvd player to view hd movies on the 360 you can buy an hd dvd home theater player cheaper and easier than a BR player.
not to mention the fact that all the bullsh|t crap content that was promised with both BR and HDVD has not been delivered to date.
and its just stupid stuff too,, just totally retarded, who i ask, who listens to director commentary on their dvd's they have now , let alone all these stupid pop up windows on your screen right int he middle of the movie.
the only time and i mean ONLY time this will and has ever been used is during climactic scenes where you want to see how it was done or something.
PS3 is to the USA as the 360 is to Japan... worthless. and even in japan the PS3 isnt doing as good, and NEVER will so long as they keep supporting the PS2.
force people to change like MS did,,, then sales will go up.
i dont know anyone who has a PS3 and STILL has it today.
there arent any games, and none coming that make it worth owning that i have seen, but then again i am a little behind on the PS3 release list.
there isnt a store i cant walk in to around here that doesnt have ATLEAST 1/2 dozen 60gig PS3's sitting there collecting dust.
I know a pair of financial analyst who know as much as you or me about tech. I also know an analyst from BoA who doesn´t know :banana::banana::banana::banana: about tech and talks a lot about it :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuperman
in chile?Quote:
Originally Posted by JuanFlaiter
Yes, its an interesting read :)
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Originally Posted by Kunaak
bahahaha :rofl: :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
thank you for my new sig
i am going to mark your words
in other news, how many of you guys actually own a ps3?
My cousin does. I actually was impressed with the very small amount of gaming I did on it. No doubt it was helped by the 50in HD TV it was plugged into.Quote:
Originally Posted by b0bd0le
Its a pity he doesn't have it on 24/7 or i'd put Folding@Home on it.
Couldn't be any more wrong on that one :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
well i think sony wont sell more when they release better games because there was a campaing against the ps3 because of the price and all the comments from the people from sony that made their public and other buyers to buy another console....
I'm not talking about the Blu-Ray players. I'm talking about Blu-Ray disc sales. Unless you are saying that they are counting Blu-Ray games sales as Blu-Ray disc sales? Who cares if the PS3 is being counted as a Blu-Ray player, if that is in fact what you are saying, it IS a blu-ray player after all. Please confirm what you are saying, and show me some proof of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
Meanwhile, here is some for you:
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=117
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=201
http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/index.cfm
http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/05/21/...oosted-by-ps3/
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32044/113/
Now some of those figures may look to be from biased websites you can find the same figures from other websites. While blu-ray may not be exactly "smashing" the competition, they are in fact, ahead, bud. :)
Mark my words you moron. Do you think Sony is top tier in electronics now? Their TV's sucks, home theatres suck, dvd players suck and everything else they manf suck, not to mention... their cameras and computers.Quote:
Originally Posted by b0bd0le
Getting tired of these 14 yr old fanboys around here.
You are aware that they are counting video game sales as Blueray disc sold, right? Dont argue something if you havent done your research.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ub3r-L33ch
Blueray Players Sold Include PS3's...
Bluyeray Discs Sold Include Video Game Sales.
Looks like HD-DVD is kickin BR's ass without the use of a console...
I'm not a 14 year old and I'm not a fanboy, so you can go fukk yourself. YOU sound like the fanboy, calling other people fanboy's and 14 year olds when they are providing you with good information or facts and you just ignore it and you can't even provide any proof of your own to back what you are saying. Everything you have said is nothing more than an opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
Dude, I asked you to show me some proof. Did you even bother to read the links I showed you? They do not mention anything about PS3 being counted as Blu-Ray player sales, nor do they mention Blu-Ray games being shown as disc sales. Don't TELL ME I haven't done my research when you didn't even bother to read the links I supplied you with nor did you provide me with any links to prove what you are saying! ... freaking @$$hole!Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
Sony TV's suck do they? Well let me point you in the direction with several sites with TV reviews, which I already provided in another thread:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=144421&page=2
and here are the links:
http://www.tech.co.uk/home-entertain...definition-tvs
http://reviews.cnet.com/4566-6475_7-...edRating7+desc
http://www.epinions.com/Flat_Panel_T...w_~top_sellers
Now then, if they are counting PS3 games as disc sales or the PS3 as a Blu-Ray players sales you better at least provide some kind of proof of this. Otherwise you are nothing more than a mindless idiot spouting off unfounded information that you can't prove.
Good day to you Sir!
ahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
let me quote myself:
haltech, would you be willing to put some money where your mouth is?Quote:
Originally Posted by b0bd0le
i'll offer you 1 grand if sony is bought and liquidated within 3 years
and you pay me 1 grand if they are not.
how does this sound?
oooooooh another ding in Haltec's strictly "opinionated" theories and comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by b0bd0le
If you want opinions about their TV's from credible sources, i suggest you visit AVSFORUM.COM for one, before tossing out reviews from Sony Biased sites... Sharp is THE leader in LCD televisions... Second to them would be Samsung... Sony isnt even in the top 3 for LCD TV's... Infact, Westinghouse churn out better TV's than Sony and their 3rd tier for christ sakes...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ub3r-L33ch
Pioneer and Panasonic take the Plasma market, not Sony. Pioneer owns the high end market of plasma, middle end is held by lower tier pioneers, higher end panasonics, toshibas, hitachi's, lg's and philips. Low end is held by lower tier Panasonics and Vizio.
Samsung and Toshiba own the DVD player market, not Sony. Samsung and Toshiba sell more HD-DVD players than Blueray players. Upconvert section of the market is owned by Oppo, Toshiba, Denon and Philips.
Onyko and Yamaha have been bending Sony over for years in the home theatre arena. I could go on and on and on and on and on. Ive been in the home theatre business for 20 yrs.
Ill take HD DVD any day over Blueray. Sony's day of trying to set proprietary hardware as standard has ended. If you want to argue factual information on this subject, meet me over on AVSFORUM for some skoolin'... Your fanboism is secreting from your joints. Senseless trying to convince a fanboy that Sony is sinking.
The one thing that Sony has done right it user in the SXRD Projector.
http://ultimateavmag.com/videoprojectors/1205sony/
I have has the joy of installing this unit and the JVC DLIA and they are both stunning.
I still think Sony is corporatly mental, but saying they have nothing going for them is just plain wrong. The PS3 is a decent machine in my opinion, and I have one. It will only get better as well.
Well in case you haven't noticed, forums like this one, and forums like avsforums are not for the average person. They are not going to spend hours upon hours researching and waiting for people like us to scrutinize everything down to the finest detail before buying a piece of electronic equipment. There definitely are better products out there than what Sony has to offer, I'm not denying that, but if I am not mistaken they also cost more. For what Sony offers at the price it is usually a good product. Not every single thing they release is bad ass, but that goes for just about any company.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
I never said Sony made THE BEST stuff, all I was trying to prove to you is that they are not nearly as shltty as people try to make them out to be. Out of the 3-4 sites I listed for TV reviews there is no way all of them could be Sony biased websites. I could spend a few more minutes and find several more sites which give high marks to Sony products. Are you saying EVERY SINGLE site I can find that has anything to say good about Sony is purely a biased site? Give me a break.
You really do need to stop calling me a fanboy as well. Do you know how many Sony products I own? Just the PS2 and PS3. I will be the first person to tell you that the Wii is good, and so is the 360, they both have unique features and are good systems in their own right. I myself simply prefer what the PS3 has to offer over what the Wii and the 360 have. When I buy an HDTV later this year I am not going to review just the Sony TV's and go, yep that's the one for me, no, I'm not that stupid. Just because I am trying to say Sony has good products and I like the PS3 more than the 360 and the Wii does not make me a fanboy, so shut the hell up with that crap.
All I am saying is Sony may have messed up over the years they have been around, but so has anyone else. They have also offered great products and service and did a KILLER job with the PS1 and PS2, I for one am not going to start saying they are shlt just because they have had a rough few year or so and the PS3 is off to a rocky start, I am going to give them a chance.
I'm not giving them a chance. The ps2 was disappointing it's entire life and the ps3 is downright junk so far. I have a sony TV LCoS TV. It's alright and got decent remarks at AVSF but it's certainly not the best.
^ PS2 was one of the greatest consoles of all time
I have and the XBR seems to be one of the best TVs money can buy :welcome:Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
P.S. I can't believe i'm actually defending Sony :shocked:
hey, the PS2 wasn't half bad and I'm still enjoy playing SNES games on my friends PSP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
but everything else they make sucks.
That is one of the craziest things I've heard all year. That's fine though, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I just don't see how you can say the PS2 was crap. It is the most sold console of all time, if I remember correctly. It is still alive and kicking today, new games are still coming out for it, really good ones too.Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/789/789626p1.html
PS2 is selling more than 360. And it's got good games. Best 3D console yet I say based on games.
haltech, how about that bet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
are you in?
also, last time i checked the avsforums quite a lot of people liked and BOUGHT sony's XBR series. Be it their LCD or LCOS sets.
i agree, the 70" Sony LCD is very highly regarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by b0bd0le
While sony does make some junk, a lot of their electronics is still pretty good. Its just fun jumping on the "OMG SONY SUX0RS" bandwagon.
Just look at the PS3 build quality compared to the XBOX 360. PS3 has one tank of a PCB compared to the 360. PS3 is just new and expensive, lacks games people want.
Im sure in good time sales will pick up after price drop + new games.
The only thing that can save PS3 is truly exclusive and awesome games like FFXIII, FFXIII: Versus, Heavenly Sword etc coupled with a good marketing campain.
lol those silly analysts
didn't sales in november jump like 450%?
and with hd-dvd impending doom, i can only anticipate better sales.
Woah, thread revival :rofl:
Revival is applicable dut to blueray winning. That analyst is probably eating his shoe right now.
Well, if this death of HD-DVD and permanent switch to Blu-ray happens. Then Sony has zip to worry about. PS3 sales will rise and they have the money (i think) to float it for that long.
Well I bought a PS3. Here were my reasons:
1. Gran Turismo 5
2. Metal Gear Solid 4
3. Final Fantasy XIII
4. Blu Ray Player
5. Linux/Crunching/HTPC thingamabob
I mean... seriously, GT5 and MGS4 are going to be THE pinnacle of ALL gaming in 2008, be it console, PC, whatever. And yes, that is just my opinion.
Why is it when someone revives a thread, someone else always has to come in and point it out?
The top 4 on your list is the only reason why I would buy a PS3...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
super awesomeness dictates that pointing out the obvious, makes you clever which just makes your awesomeness even more awesome - hense, super awesomeness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omastar
By the time MGS4 comes out the PS3 will be 2 years old. Same thing with FF13, the system will be over 2 years old.
Its just sad that 2 years and not a single exclusive title worth buying?
die sony die.
This is a dumb thread, and that ^^^^ is a dumb post. It needs to be locked. We have enough arguments in the Car & Truck, Speek Freely & Liquid Cooling sections. We don't need another in News.
Everyone seems to think its doom and gloom for the ps3 but they sold 7 million consoles in its first year. Which is the same amount as the 360...
http://www.vgchartz.com/?p=7
Who the hell care about some anal-yst?
This is Michael L. Savner's second "analysis"
His first was surge of EA sales due to release of new generation console and to buy Activision due to Guitar hero.
What a $%^**$#((&^%%&*&%ing genius!!!
sauce
people don't realise that feature-wise, PS3 is half the price of a 360.
(360's wifi addon, another controller, hdvd drive, etc)
PS3 is the most innovative future-proof hardware money could buy. Combined with a PSP, it's a revolutionary gaming device.
The ability to remotely play your PS3 (PS1 and soon PS2) games on the PSP is just WOW
I wouldnt be surprised if by end of 2008, you could play almost all PS2 games on the PS3 upscaled to 1080p and also play them remotely on your PSP
and thats only one feature.
Firmware upgrades FTW
PS: also folding ;)
Please make it clear if your quoting or not.
this is getting bored
back to back any thread with sony there would be bashing for just about anything sony make..
As a cutting edge console, but if all sony blue ray players had a unified ps3 chip inside(like the ee+gs for the pstwo)?Quote:
Originally Posted by frankR
Sonys biggest mistake was not pushing the pstwo to take on the wii at the low end - had they copied the wii controller and made fun family orientated games it would have sold more. If anything the ps2 wasn't given enough attention by sony, and the ps2 sales could have helped eat up the losses on the ps3 and would be selling to a different audience anyway (the ones who wont buy a ps2 until its cheap, and dont care about high def, be it gaming or movies yet)
The PS2 is still selling just fine. Just as many as the PS3 in fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by onewingedangel
And...they are redesigning the PS2 again. It will be even lighter than the "slim" PS2. And having see one in person...I don't even know how they are going to do that. The thing is like a laptop computer, without the LCD. Without sales, Sony wouldn't have reason to keep the PS2 fresh.
skimmed the thread and didnt see any reference to this http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/12/s...-cost-in-half/
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In a piece primarily focused on Blu-ray over at Business Week, a bit of scrolling led to quite the interesting tidbit: Sony has apparently been able to slash the production cost of its PlayStation 3 in half. More specifically, it was noted that the firm has been able to "shrink the PS3's chips and tweak its design," which aided in getting the cost per machine "to around $400 now, from above $800 just before it went on sale in November 2006."
Damn! They lose 200 bucks while selling at 600?
I know it is a hardware beast, but...
Just, someone, become a game developer and make 3 great racing games and 3 great FPS, and your done.
Uh... Check the starting date of the thread again... Production-cost has been cut by quite a bit since then ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored
sure in one way they lost with the ps3, but in one way they have one big time with blue ray edging over hd-dvd.
Business Week says Sony has cut the manufacturing costs of the PS3 in half.
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbi...tm?chan=search
Sell sell sell, like Kramer would say "this dog has flea's" get out before you get Flea's tooo,.,...:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunaak
:am: :pimp: When i see someone saying "shrink the PS3's chips and tweak its design," that really backs me away from that purchase. They usually shrink the performance:eek: and Tweak/remove:hammer: lots of functionality.... Whoooooooo......
So i am even more hesitant to make that purchase:sofa:
Oh, my bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by DTU_XaVier
I was going to sad, I knew it was a beast in hardware, but THAT much? Whammy.
I consider getting one, but I am still playing on a rear projection 55" Daewoo terrible TV, and all I do is Guitar Hero III when I am bored.
Best $400 piece of electronics IMO.
I just read the WikiPedia page of Linux on the PS3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingcarcas
If I get a new TV, I am going to get a PS3, and a wireless mouse and keyboard.
I am highly convinced.
I agree 100%. You get the gaming console with a Blu-Ray play back unit. The Blu-Ray play only unit lists for approx $250 on its own. And they're starting to come out with some good games - COD4, etc - and there will a lot more in the near future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingcarcas
I think that it is the best investment going forward. It's playback is at a full 1080p which only the xbox 360 elite can match. The regular 360 is only 1080i.
Not a console gamer, but the thing folds like a beast. I think that Sony will have a much better year this year because of the "classic" playstation behemoths of Metal Gear and Final Fantasy. But they did have three games this year that I would have bought had I had a PS3, Drake's Fortune, Ratchet and Clank, and Folklore.
sony should follow microsofts idea and have a online "club"
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Originally Posted by 2long4u
well yeah blue ray is probably going to win at this point, which it should it is the better format. Lets really think about it for a minute though when did dvd's really start to catch on? when dvd players hit 100 dollars and under. a 400 dollar console isn't going to be a huge seller to most of the public. I myself would buy the ps3 instead of JUST a blue ray player because i play video games so something that can do 2 jobs is worth it, but most people just want to watch movies not play video games. I don't think anyone should bank on the ps3 selling as a blue ray player, its just unlikely average joe is going to spend 400 dollars on something that plays movies when he bought his dvd player for 100 back in the day.
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Originally Posted by Kunaak
You mean - replace the words "online community" with "live", and "screen name" with "gamer tag", adding 14 year olds with microphones, adding meaningless "achievements" to games to increase their poor replay value to add a sense of non-existing competition, and charge monthly/annually for all of the above?Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Beast
Instead, how about making your gaming account, into an MMO-esc experience, watch movies at your friends house form your ps3, oh yea, and TYPE WITH A USB KEYBOARD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Home
But at the minute the ps3 cost the same as a cheap blu ray, so anyone going blu ray now may as well get a ps3. Whilst this price advantage wont hold, even with ps3 pricebdrops, standalone players will decrease in cost faster, but whilst its in place it will build the ps2 userbase even amongst non gamers. In addition the ps3 gets constant firmware updates to improve functionality, something even high end blu ray players have missed out on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiggy McShades