http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...3118d0e02b0fb6
$150 at Performance-PCS
Any opinions? Probably need a really good pump.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...gel/2050_2.jpg
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http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...3118d0e02b0fb6
$150 at Performance-PCS
Any opinions? Probably need a really good pump.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...gel/2050_2.jpg
İt's too big :slobber:
that rad is huge...?
I don't think the performance will be too big if you can get a 120.4...
the room temp is the minimal temp you can get with that rad so it makes no sense...
It only makes a difference if all the parts are wc'd.
but it's sexy that's true
quick, someone buy it!
It'a a good option for a TEC setup.
its very big and need a good pump ;)
why has it got 4 openings for barbs?
Haha just imagine loading 1 degree above ambient.
If only it were possible.
i was thinking that also.Quote:
Originally Posted by skane
probably so you can run two loops off one rad, it's done sometimes with automotive rads i believe
I would prefer two PA120.3s over that. That radiator looks restrictive to me. Doing parallel loops into a single radiator is not the best idea.
No surprise your not rich, you've spent all your money on a computer. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by R3APER
jealous much?Quote:
Originally Posted by Viktor
i wouldnt have said his comment was jealousQuote:
Originally Posted by Circaflex
:banana::banana::banana::banana: yeah!Quote:
Originally Posted by R3APER
You're only here once and the time goes by real fast. You live right now, not in the future.
What ever makes you happy, imo.:D
Only financial priorities higher than the magic box's innards are electric and Bandwidth.
Do it right and the box will feed and clothe you anyway.
This banana substitute for emphatic use of common language is just too 'twee'
Who set up this crap? Someones maiden aunt girl guide troop leader?
Brown Owl with her 'bad language jar'?
The language runs deep and earthy. Mellors, DH Lawrence's game keeper didn't say "Thats your dancing bananas, down there" to Lady Chatterly.
Gawd, I've fallen in with a gang of twee tut-tutters!
I thought about setting up a forum with almost no censorship. Maybe after I get a 2nd computer I'll use the first one as a server. I would say what I think of censorship, but it would be censored. America is almost going back to the Victorian era.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedda
It's interesting to see what new extreme rads they come up with. Forgot his name but one guy uses a Honda racing radiator which is only something like 3C above ambient at load.
well is there anyone yet who tested said 9x120 rad yet?
Quote:
Originally Posted by AzraelDarkangel
this forum isnt just about 'america' its a community of modders that trancends international boundrys.
the censorship is in place because not all modders are over the age of 18.. some are younger and its good that the mod's of the forum are doing something good like that.
this is quite off :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing topic though
i have an extra tec and i could use a new rad, plus i need some more blocks so i might get one for :banana::banana::banana::banana:s and giggles eventually and stick a bunch of yates on it :D i bet those with cube towers will start getting this cus it seems like a half decent rad, no?
Quote:
Originally Posted by dnb#
what about puting all of ur items in one loop
quad core + 8800gtx or R600 CF + nb and still getting as low temp as possible
It looks to be a 4 pass radiator, nut sure on how may rows. In theory it shouldnt be too restrictive consider its size and cooling ability.
The only thing that I gather from your rig is that you spent a hell of alot of money on it.. if you were rich.. you are no longer so as you computer robbed you of all of your money ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by R3APER
and its so cheap too, and look how cheap their other rads are:eek: :slobber: seems too good to be true...:stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
So I hate to open up an older thread but I was looking at this and the PA120.3 I am planning on setting up a box that holds all my pumps to run 3 loops... two loops for my primary machine to cool the cpu and another for the cards. The third loop will be for my working machine... the one where i just do homework and don't bother gaming ect also leave running 24/7 for WCG.
I know that the PA120.3 is hard to beat vs any other rad out there but do any stats exist on this 9 x 120 radiator?
Thanks
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfsburg18
well 10 bucks says this rad has more cooling ability. And anyone who cares to argue that point should go sit in the corner and take a time out.
Just a guess, but I would say this rad will handle 3 computers just fine. As long as you arnt running WCG on 3 kentsfields at 3.5GHz the water temps should stay nice and low.
Jeebus, that thing is huge. 2 pumps in series at minimum to maintain a good flowrate I would bet. :p: $150.00 not bad considering its from Performance. You would have to have a spare wall to mount it on. ;)
This thing can handle up to three loops it seems... wonder if it would be better than three PA 120.3s running their own loops each, CPU, GPU, Chipsets..
I have a single RD30. Do you think that would be enough to run this rad?
I'd say 1 RD-30 or 2 DDC2's w/ Petras tops in series would be enough, but that's just a guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by chunkylover77
How would you handle the four barbs? Plug two up?
I'm now itching to try. Strangely, there are few reviews, even in the German forums.
Not as good as Aquacomputer :D
aquacomputer..........:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
I wonder how a 250mm fan would do on a rad?
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...3118d0e02b0fb6
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...3118d0e02b0fb6
I have been thinking of making a computer desk that would have the water cooling built into it. I think this rad would be perfect for that. As long as it didn't suck.
what about the side or top panel of a mountainmods cube? should be big enough, the only thing that i can see go wrong there is that the tubes would have to make a pretty tight bend because of the placing of the barbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hard H20
if such a big pump is already needed for this, what kind of pump do you guys recon a mora would need? let alone an airplex evo 1800(15 120mm fans, condensor type tubes):
http://photobucket.com/albums/v281/j...ck/ape1800.jpg
MORA ROFL That thing is like the ultimate flow killer. Not killer, it simply massacres flow.Quote:
Originally Posted by skane
edit
Re: the Magicool as originally pictured... inspect it closely. It's 3x Alphacool Nexxxos Extreme 360 cores (same manufacturing company, same core, same radiator - modified endtanks)... refer to testing done on such...
Now look at the endtank arrangement and how the passes work.Quote:
Pressure Drop...
ThermoChill PA120.3 - 6%
Watercool HTFX3-x - 14%
HWLabs BlackIce GT360 - 17%
HWLabs BlackIce GT360 XFlow - 17%
HWLabs BlackIce Xtreme - 17%
HWLabs BlackIce Xtreme XFlow - 17%
Watercool HTSF - 17%
Cooltek MCR320 - 18%
NexXxos Xtreme - 23%
Pass1 runs down 10 tubes, pass2 runs back up 5 tubes, pass3 runs back down 5 tubes, pass4 runs back up 10 tubes. So it steps down from 10 tubes to 5 tubes back up to 10 tubes, with 5 cavities of pressure drop en-route in endtankage between inlet and outlet...
23% pressure drop on a regular 2 pass... suddenly gets a bit larger when you make it an off-balance 4 pass.
If making it a fair test, should be 3x of any other 120.3 footprint rad piped in series vs the Magicool... NOW which would you choose? (consider ease of bleeding of the two methods also)Quote:
well 10 bucks says this rad has more cooling ability. And anyone who cares to argue that point should go sit in the corner and take a time out.
Just a guess, but I would say this rad will handle 3 computers just fine. As long as you arnt running WCG on 3 kentsfields at 3.5GHz the water temps should stay nice and low.
if you look closely at the pic it looks like its just 3 3.120 rads screwed together
That's exactly what it is - it's 3x Alphacool Nexxxos Extreme 360 cores (ie: Magicool 360 cores rebadged to Alphacool) with modified endtanks, with a wrapper around them for fan mounting (with no rebadging). That's it, plain and simple.
we understand that it s a pressure killer, but how about heat dissipation?
don t hit me but: why would I mind of my flow if I used a big head pump?IE: iwaki
I mean: my pressure is gonna drop big time but I could not care less as I have plenty, but what do I get ?
lotsa power dissip for very few bucks?
marci: please explain me wether this suposition is false or not
thx :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marci
this magicool thing should b easier to bleed if them blue things are for bleeding.
also its cooling surface is pretty hard to beat on price.
a thermochill 120.3 costs about 93 euro this magicool thing costs 100 euro.
P-PC's are selling LianLi343B's with these mounted ontop and they look pretty sick.
@ Duh, Using this forums favorite fans, it doesn't perform too well. Put some louder fans on it and it's a different story.
@Starscream, those "blue things" are a different form of TIM.Quote:
2 - Performance order (best to worst) based on final coolant temp, cooled with YateLoon 120mm fan - lower the "k" figure (difference between coolant temp and air temp), cooler the coolant, therefore better the performance...
At 600rpm:
Thermochill PA120.3 - 7k
Watercool HTSF - 8k
Watercool HTSF3-x - 8.4k.
Cooltek Maxistream / Swiftech MCR - 8.4k
Black Ice GT - 9.2k
Black Ice Extreme - 11k
Alphacool NexXxos Pro - 11.2k
Black Ice GT X-Flow - 12.1k
Black Ice Extreme X-Flow - 12.3k
Alphacool NexXxos Extreme - 14k
At 900rpm:
ThermoChill - 6.2k
Cooltek - 6.9k
BIGT - 7.2k
WC HTSF - 7.3k
BIGT-XFlow - 7.3k
WC HTSF3-x - 7.4k
NexXxos Pro - 7.5k
BIX - 8.5k
NexXxos Extreme - 8.5k
BIX-XFlow - 9.5k
At 1200rpm:
ThermoChill - 4.2k
Cooltek - 5.6k
BIGT - 5.7k
BIGT-XFlow - 5.9k
BIX - 5.9k
NexXxos Pro - 6.1k
NexXxos Extreme - 6.1k
HTF3-x - 6.3k
HTSF - 6.3k
BIX-XFlow - 6.6k
@Mankz_91, IMO, Hank seems to have fallen off his rocker with some of his latest "creations".
So who is going to be the guinea pig?
can you please provide a link please?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mankz_91
Cmon man not that hard to find, it was on the home page:
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=21901
sorry dude for me P-PC's is pc power and cooling
I live 15 k km away from USA ... I do not know all your acronyms
You still can't bleed the middle pass... the "blue things" are only on the outer two chambers, that center chamber is one big airlock waiting to happen...Quote:
this magicool thing should b easier to bleed if them blue things are for bleeding.
I'm not saying this as ThermoChill... I'm saying, if given the choice, I'd rather pick 3x 120.3 footprint rads from any other manufacturer that we know to perform better than the Nexxxos Extreme Core...
Three of ANY of the above brands/models would outperform the Magicool Nova... so if 3 of any of those brands came to the same price, but offered better performance, you'd take it wouldn't you (?)...Quote:
ThermoChill - 4.2k
Cooltek - 5.6k
BIGT - 5.7k
BIGT-XFlow - 5.9k
BIX - 5.9k
NexXxos Pro - 6.1k
Fully aware, but like I said... ANY manufacturer. 3x MCR320's price vs price of this - bit more appealing in terms of performance...Quote:
a thermochill 120.3 costs about 93 euro this magicool thing costs 100 euro.
Eh?? Those "blue things" are just blanking plugs to allow you to connect 2x parallel loops up to the rad.Quote:
@Starscream, those "blue things" are a different form of TIM.
I'm just trying to suggest folks don't blindly look at it and profess it godly just because of it's size... look at what it actually is... look at the alternatives out there to it... the majority of the alternatives are a "better" solution.
from what i see, 2 mcr320's would be competitive for price(100 vs 110), do you think that they would tie or win in performance too(both restriction and raw cooling performance)?
multiple triple rads would be more flexible for mounting too, never thought if it that way.
Depends where you are. For us in the UK, 3x MCR320 would win hands down on price and performance.
In UK, 3x MCR320's will cost you £96 (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...57&subcat=193), and the Magicool Nova £117 (http://www.vadim.co.uk/BlastFlow+Ext...20mm+Radiator).
(S'great - disproportionate exchange rates for USD : GBP and EUR : GBP)
Course it'd win vs 2x MCR320s. You can only compare 3x120.3 vs the Nova. It will always win over anything else with less surface area.
That's the power of marketing and the deception of your own eyeballs over common sense I'm afraid... which exemplifies perfectly half of the problems with the watercooling scene...
Sheet of 2mm steel and a holecutter, edges bent over a table, applied directly to 3x MCR320's side by side.........
Also note, Nexxxos EXTREME core... the nature of the core by default means high pressure fans for most suited performance... whereas logic says with this many fans, you'd want it as quiet as possible, so would've made MUCH more sense to base it off the Pro core. It's back to "if it looks bigger it must be better" marketing method...
Dont know if it's already been posted but here is a review of the XTREME QUAD 480 version.
http://www.cooling-station.net/index...e=tests&id=171
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I agree with marci 100% here . Although I like the concept the design is just plain bad. Now using say the 160'core and using a crossflow 3 pass design I would say it would be perfect for say very very quit fans and have the ability to cool all things pc related. Dual pass might be ok . but i would preferr 3 pass cross flow . You guys really like these. that surprises me.
Marci could you point me to were I could get some G1/2 bungs Brass??
sooo, according to marcis analysis, three 120.3 BIP III would be better than 1 of these, correct?
Yes they would. A high flow design would be much better. The use of 2 inlets and 2 outlets isn't I bad idea however but shut off valves should be used to ensure flow to the 2 differant loops could be controlled.
Its like marci said these are 3 rads incorperated as one. Much like Intels quad core C2D design Vs AMD's native design . Not saying Intels design is bad . But a native rad this size would be much superior. Yep a tank is a tank and 3 pass = same thing almost. Its that almost the Marci pointed out.
Had they used a cross flow concept. It would be much better. AS marci would agree I am sure. All they had to do was reverse one of the 2 inlet outlet rads and it would have been a 3 pass crossflow with 10 channels for each section. Marci are you sure that the 2 outside tanks are 10 channels. Looking at the tank configuration it looks to be 5 inlet 5 outlet per section. The tank configuration has me a bit confused.
Nope - they're not available...Quote:
Marci could you point me to were I could get some G1/2 bungs Brass??
1/2" BSPP bungs in brass are... which are exactly the same thread / physical characteristics... but nowhere makes them with a rubber O-ring groove and lip.
The "G" standard is just a variation of the BSPP standard, where an O-ring is added, but is isn't a British variation. It's a European variation (ie: Germany), and the demand there only exists for it in a 1/4" size... so G1/4" is available left right n' center. G3/8" we have to have them custom made in quantities of 1000's. G1/2" would have to be custom made in similar quantities, and at the moment there's no-one producing them. The fact that you're the only person I've ever seen ask for G1/2" shows the demand for it is extremely minimal, unless you have a list of 1000's of customers that you'd want to sell them to.
D-Tek would be the people best for you to speak to, but you'd need to commit to a large quantity to get them made.
But for our purposes, really it's a relatively useless one. At the end of the day look for reviews of it as the Alphacool Nexxos Extreme - reviews will be much more common and you'll find them of the common footprints that we have apples to apples figures for. It compares a 480 vs a 360... been here before... need to look at everything on a performance-per-fan basis. 9 isn't divisible by 4 if you get my drift...Quote:
Dont know if it's already been posted but here is a review of the XTREME QUAD 480 version.
Depending upon desired noise yes. Remember, we have to talk about this assuming the exact same fans are in play on all rads involved.Quote:
sooo, according to marcis analysis, three 120.3 BIP III would be better than 1 of these, correct?
With Panaflo-H fans shaking the desk, then the Nova would outperform 3x BIPIII due to the fin density etc of the cores. But with YateLoon -M fans or slower (Nexus, SilenX etc) then the BIPIII would outperform the Nova.
I'm assuming that for the basis of this discussion we're assuming no-one is gonna whack 9x delta screamers on the rads we're talking about... If we assume we're talking 60cfm airflow per fan or less (and even that's a slightly undesirable level of noise - when you're comparing 9 fans at once I'd say everyone should be on YL L's or Nexus fans for the sake of audible sanity), then three of PA120.3, or MCR320, or BIGTS360, or BIGT-XFlow360, or BIXIII, or NexXxos Pro360 would all beat the Nova.
Thanks much Marci - I found what I was looking for from these guys.
http://www.hatecinc.com/EMB/visual.htm
ftw: someone mod 2 or 3 MCRs or even PAs pls...
marci, could you please answer my previous post?
how about using 9x noctua ( dead silent ) @5 v with the beast rad?
cheers
J
Didn't Marci just give you the answer ? Look about three posts above yours. Slow fans = this Magicool Nova rad gets beaten badly. Fast fans = this Magicool Nova rad is no better than a typical Black Ice, and definitely no where as good as a Thermochill. In sum, this radiator is a horrible buy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duh
Your asking a pretty tough question here. Lets say that a rad this size using 9x noctua @5v using a core like the 160's or even the Pa 120.3 x3 I believe the 25cfm would do the job that would be sweat @ 6dB(a)x 9 Even if you had to go up to 12v @ 48cfm @ 17dB(a) it wouldn't be that bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duh
We just installed 6 noctua in your case 4 mounted on 160's 2 case fans .
they remained very quit and did a great job of cooling were happy. We haven't installed the resistors yet so we don't know the performance@ 5v.
As it stands right now I am pleased with the results we have.
So basicly 9x @ 5v with that poorly designed rad. I would say positively NO . @ 12v. its a big ????
Hello,
I just bought this radiator a week ago and tested it with some problems at the moment . It only gets hot on the lower side of the rad, not in the middle and top so in my opinion, the water is not flowing within the whole rad. Is this normal?
I use my watercooling in the following order:
Reservoir: aquacomputer aquatube
Pump: hydor L30seltz II
Rad: nova 1080 + 9xYate loon D12SL-12
Cpu: E6600
Gpu: 8800gtx
Reservoir
Tubing is 8/10.
Cpu clocked at 3150 at 1.3v, gpu on stock giving me temps as following:
Cpu idle 65°C, Load 80+ !
Gpu idle 62°C, Load 70+
Hope someone can help me...
Gr,
Phix
have you compared the performance with other rad we know? We are more concerned about it rather than rad temp :p
forgot to ask: how about the flow coming out of it?
before this, i had a WC from Waterchill, changed the original antartica CPU block into a alphacool nexxxos XP 775. The rad was a Black ice pro 2 with 2 adda fans. It kept my cpu cool at 40°C idle and 62°C load.
Right now, i added a gtx to the loop but can it make this difference, particulary as u know i upgraded the rad from 2x120 to 9x120?
Don' t have a flow meter, so i really don' t know sorry
Too many changes to attribute performance differences to anything in particular. Change one thing at once and note the differences. Change more than one thing at once, and it's anybody's guess.
problem right now is i sold all my waterchill stuff.
is it possible my rads connections are wrong? Because no manual was shipped with it, i just tried it. On one outer connection, i pump the water in, linked the middle connections, and from the other outer connection i go to my cpu. But as i allready mentioned, the lower side is Hot, all above it is Cold.
Are you suggesting fast fans on a PA120.3 would beat fast fans on this in thermal dissipation?Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
I'm no expert, but I'm sure even Marci would concede on this point. Most people are better off with the PA120.3 b/c low fpi, pressure drop, etc. I have one myself. But if you had to cool two computers or something, a radiator this size might be nice @ $150. Bad design though as previously mentioned...
Disconnect your wc system. Pump through inlet and see where water comes out. Connect all parts. Check flowrate with bucket of water.Quote:
is it possible my rads connections are wrong? Because no manual was shipped with it, i just tried it. On one outer connection, i pump the water in, linked the middle connections, and from the other outer connection i go to my cpu. But as i allready mentioned, the lower side is Hot, all above it is Cold.
No... I won't... people seem to be blatantly MISSING my point. I would NEVER recommend THIS radiator, when you can purchase 3x MCR320's for less money and pipe them in series, and outperform the Magicool. I would recommend anyone considering the above simply went out and bought 3x MCR320s, or 3 of any other radiator that rank higher than the Nexxxos core upon which this Magicool radiator is based. We are not comparing the above radiator to a SINGLE PA120.3 or a SINGLE MCR320. We are comparing the Magicool 9x120 to THREEx PA120.3 or THREEx MCR320 (thus same frontal area in all cases) - both these options would outperform the Magicool. How many times and how many different ways does it need saying before this sinks in?Quote:
I'm no expert, but I'm sure even Marci would concede on this point. Most people are better off with the PA120.3 b/c low fpi, pressure drop, etc. I have one myself. But if you had to cool two computers or something, a radiator this size might be nice @ $150. Bad design though as previously mentioned...
Exactly.............Just some common sense needs to play a roll here:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marci
I thought he was comparing one PA120.3 to the 1080, which I know is unfair in terms of size.
Anyway, I'm considering running 3x PA120.3 on my next case mod. My question for Marci, is should I run them parallel or in series? I plan on cooling just about everything in the case that I can. I already have a ddc-2.
I'm also looking into copper car radiators, which I can find cheap and at a low fpi. My only concern is that they are single pass and a PITA to mount. Plus my high-restriction loop wouldn't work well with the single-pass because I couldn't get anywhere near turbulent flow rates.
PM me if I'm getting too off topic.
Have a search for Turtle1's thread on parallel vs series within this section - that covers it in depth...
i could mod that into my car!
Marci, no doubts you are an expert here and I am a nOOb, therefore I still don't understand why do we need to compare 120.3x3 with 1080, the price for 1 120.3 ($134) is almost equal to 1 1080 ($149) here in the US?
We also need to take in consideration mail delivery costs, for 3 boxes it will be significantly more than for 1.
It should be enough to use 1080 with 3xSLI OC cards + OC CPU and silent fans, why do we need to care that 3xPA120.3 will perform better if 1080 will still be enough and perform better (less temp diff/noise) for such setup than 1xPA120.3, while max dissipation needed will be around 700W - all together?
It is very convenient to have one piece with sexy looking grills instead of 3 rads ... unless someone doesn't care about the design and wants only performance ... or uses a big case with all 3 rads inside.
IMO we shouldn't just blame worse engineered stuff looking for non-perfections and comparing to better items, we need to take in consideration the technical task terms, design and economics (including locations), should we?
One more question - if 1080 is 3 x Alphacool NexXxos Extreme III (rev 2, as it is quite new), how come the weight of it is only 4000g while weight of one Alphacool NexXxos Extreme III is equal to 1750g? The weight of 4 removed side frames+2 ports couldn't be 1250g, could it? Did I miss anything here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marci
gmcg - $50 for MCR320's in US/Canada. Shipping will depend on the BOX used as all 3 MCR320's can be put in one.Quote:
Marci, no doubts you are an expert here and I am a nOOb, therefore I still don't understand why do we need to compare 120.3x3 with 1080, the price for 1 120.3 ($134) is almost equal to 1 1080 ($149) here in the US?
We also need to take in consideration mail delivery costs, for 3 boxes it will be significantly more than for 1.
You didnt. I agree PA's are expensive here but MCR's, BIX's, and others are not. Performance will be better with just about any of them and within margin of error for price difference. They also offer more versatility in installation.Quote:
we need to take in consideration the technical task terms, design and economics (including locations), should we?
i would recommend not disagreeing with MARCI on your first post
Well, that is an assumption as we have no tests for 1080 - we have tests for Alphacool NexXxos Extreme only, right? Are they definitely exactly the same blocks (x3) with such difference in weights?Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
I am sorry, I am a nOOb and don't mind to get some kicks ... There is no offense at all, therefore I have started the post confirming my status ...Quote:
Originally Posted by dunn2953
I am looking for some knowledge here, that's it :welcome:
It's an easy enough assumption to make when one studies the design of the 1080.Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
[rambling post] There are 30 rows of copper tubes that run the length of the rad for the water to flow through. Now, both the in and out fittings are on the same end of the rad which tells us that it's either a 2 pass or 4 pass rad, to determine this, we only need to look at the number of plenum chamber caps on both ends. On the 1080, there are 3 on the end with the fittings which means that you have one plenum chamber for the inlet fittings, one for a 180º return pass and the third for outlet fittings and we have 2 plenums on the other side for 180º returns. This setup makes it a 4 pass rad. Now, we go back to our 30 rows of tubes, we can't divide this evenly among 4 passes so this means that 2 passes must be different than the others. Again, we go back to looking at both the plenum chamber caps (at both ends this time) and the amount of tubes per each cap. On the inlet, we see a full count of 10 tubes, yet at the other end (with only 2 plenum chambers) we see 15 tubes per plenum, this means that 5 tubes only return coolant to the end it came into the rad. This will offer a substantial restriction to the loop which will be furthered doubled due to the fact that the coolant has only gone half way through the rad. It still needs to go through another 180º bend, another 5 tube run, another 180º bend until it can get back to a 10 tube run and then out of the rad. With rads like the MCR, we have balanced flow throughout the rad, and even with 3 in the same loop, the pressure drop would be a bit less due to this balanced flow (that and they're just a better flowing rad to start with).[/rambling post]
Hope the ramblings of an old man made enough sense to help you sort this out. :rofl:
:welcome:Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
And aside from the cooling capabilities, this thing must be a thirsty sucker! Wonder how much fluid it would take up.
That varies on how much air you manage to get out :DQuote:
Originally Posted by emPUR3
3x320 radiators of liquid and then some more... and also the pumping power you'd need for this to be effecient...
Wow, thats a serious piece of knowledge, thanks for your ramblings, an old man ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
I can't find a good picture of 1080 (with open sides), where did you find yours?
If you are correct, does it mean that these all websites lie and 1080 suck?
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=21622
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/59..._Radiator.htmlQuote:
ULTRA-EXTREME! The largest and most extreme radiator we have ever offered!
http://www.aquatuning.de/product_inf...-Radiator.htmlQuote:
The MagiCool XTREME Nova 1080 Radiator is a "3 x 3" 120mm Radiator for ultimate cooling.
http://www.pcextreme.com/catalog/sku/ex-rad-123.htmlQuote:
Der Absolute HighEnd Radiator
There are some more ...Quote:
The MagiCool XTREME Nova 1080 Radiator is a "3 x 3" 120mm Radiator for ultimate cooling.
The quad version sucks too, in your opinion?
http://www.cooling-station.net/index...id=171&seite=2
Please, forgive me if I'm wrong, but those links were to a product description from a online store. I don't exactly expect truthful reviews from a companies marketing line to sell their product. I can start cutting off 2x2cm strips of aluminum foil and claim it's The MOST EXTREME TIM ever created!!!. There's nothing stopping me from doing that, and etailers would have that listed as the product description if that was what they were given.Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
The whole point of the discussion is that the rad it's based off of is not very good, somewhat similar to a BIX3 in series, except harder to bleed. All that has been stated is that any 3 decent 120.3 radiators would tear this a new one, and be easier to bleed. It's a 120 x 9 radiator designed for high flow fans that has a dense fin structure requiring high CFM fans (90+) which will be VERY loud. Not to mention one of the most restricitive you can find.
IMHO, you would be better off with 2 of any other 120 x 3 rads than one of these. When you figure in that you can run 3 MCR-320's in series for ~ the same price, this thing really doesn't look appealing.
Exactly, it's creative marketing from the manufacturer.
For the pics, I have non of the inside of the rad. I simply use the pics from FrozenCPU as they have the best pics of the rad, 1 from each end.
The quad is a bit harder to get a read on as each end only has one plenum chamber cap. From the looks of it, it "might" be a 2 pass with 12 tubes in each direction. If this is the case, it's very low restriction but that alone doesn't make a rad perform well. Tube thickness, shape, fin thickness, fin solder type, fin density, and fin geometry are just some of the other variables that come into play. If it's not a 2 pass, it's even worse than the 1080 for restriction as it would have 4 passes with only 3 tubes per pass.
Problem is that the market for watercooling devices is quite small, items can't be returned. It means that misrepresentation of information, even created by manufacturers, will significantly lower trust of customers and -finally- sales. Such companies as performance-pcs and frozencpu doubtfully can afford such kind of risk, can they? It is a huge difference between you as a person and a known already branded reseller ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Panthols
I really doubt that anyone will argue about this statement ... but again, it depends on a goal or required power of dissipation ... it might be enough to use 1080 even in a passive mode sometimes, as in many cases it is an overkill ... 3xPA120.3 is an over-over kill ;)Quote:
The whole point of the discussion is that the rad it's based off of is not very good, somewhat similar to a BIX3 in series, except harder to bleed. All that has been stated is that any 3 decent 120.3 radiators would tear this a new one, and be easier to bleed. It's a 120 x 9 radiator designed for high flow fans that has a dense fin structure requiring high CFM fans (90+) which will be VERY loud. Not to mention one of the most restricitive you can find.
May be 2 of PA120.3 will be better ... or may be not. Probably 3xMCR-320 will be better, that is another option - and as the price is comparable, it is a good option. They are not so attractive in design though.Quote:
IMHO, you would be better off with 2 of any other 120 x 3 rads than one of these. When you figure in that you can run 3 MCR-320's in series for ~ the same price, this thing really doesn't look appealing.
You mean lie = creative marketing, if someone can sell with it? But for how long?Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Interesting - this one, I assume? http://www.frozencpu.com/products/im..._Radiator.htmlQuote:
For the pics, I have non of the inside of the rad. I simply use the pics from FrozenCPU as they have the best pics of the rad, 1 from each end.
But on this picture both sides are equal, may be I don't understand anything that you are talking about, how about the inlet and outlet fittings on the other side for two other ports?
"there are 3 on the end with the fittings which means that you have one plenum chamber for the inlet fittings, one for a 180º return pass and the third for outlet fittings and we have 2 plenums on the other side for 180º returns.
There is a same feeling that quantity of passes is not completely a confirmation of performance level ...Quote:
The quad is a bit harder to get a read on as each end only has one plenum chamber cap. From the looks of it, it "might" be a 2 pass with 12 tubes in each direction. If this is the case, it's very low restriction but that alone doesn't make a rad perform well. Tube thickness, shape, fin thickness, fin solder type, fin density, and fin geometry are just some of the other variables that come into play. If it's not a 2 pass, it's even worse than the 1080 for restriction as it would have 4 passes with only 3 tubes per pass.
Regarding worse performance, there is a thought that temperatures on the test link were quite good ...
I still want to try 1080 and see how it will perform ... 3xMCR320 may be a good solution, but I don't know where to assemble them. 3xPA120.3 are way too overpriced, IMO, and an over-over kill for my setup, having the same problem for me regarding the assembling place.
Better than 1080 design-wise could be Thermaltake Symphony ... but it is impossible to find one without the pumps/WB and with 1/2 tubing ... is it also terrible from your point of view regarding the restrictions / performance "as-is" with replacement of pumps/tubing/WB?
P.S. I really like your slogan ;)
If you're in Canada you can get the MCR320's from NCIX.
The quotes proclaiming this radiator to be the ultimate cooling and most extreme and etc are all based on using a single radiator as competition.
This radiator vs a single MCR320 or PA120.3 would probably beat both of them, but not if you used two or three of each vs the 1080.
I dont see where you are trying to go gmcg? This radiator just isnt very good and is no easier (in fact probably harder) to install than 2 or 3 120.3 style radiators.
I think so as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Probably you are correct again - or may be not according to Marci's opinion, explained in this thread before.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
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Originally Posted by Marci
I personally like it's design (it is easy for me to mount it outside also) and wanted to ask knowledgeable people what are the cons regarding this rad vs advertisment, and Waterlogged provided some technical information, which I was looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Well, today I have received the beast and was quite surprised to see only two ports on the sides ...
http://www.alexhardware.com/images/PICT7282.jpg
It means all discussions regarding 4 passes for my particular version were wrong ...
An assumption that 1080 is a combination of 3x NexXxos Extreme 360 (3) is also completely wrong (I am sorry, Marci, no offense), not only because of difference in weights, but also because of the rows counting ... each NexXos Extreme 360 (3) has 14 rows, and 1080 has only 30 rows, it means 10x3, not 14x3 ... it is a completely different beast.
http://www.alexhardware.com/images/PICT7298.jpg
It was also interesting to see that 1080 is designed for low CFM fans or no fans (a silent type of operation) ... the density is quite low - comparing to BIX - for example - and looks more like PA120.x ...
For me personally it is very convenient to use this RAD, for now I use only one 8800GTX, though as soon as 9800GX/GTX will be available, I intend to use SLI, therefore as soon as I need to add some heat dissipation power I'll just add some fans on the RAD only ... don't need to re-design the system.
I swear like :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing sailor, but the last thing I want to read on the forum is some asshat's moronic stringing together of profane words that they term as prose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedda
Yes, I stole part of that line from the movie Swordfish.
I say bring on the god damn :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing bananas...it is much better than the alternative!
:D :D :D
lets see some temps :)
Still looks like a 4-pass to me.
best option but phase change is better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiber9
I forgot to mention, it is a double row RAD ... if the flow is definitely like you have presented, constructors of such thing should not be called "engineers", IMO :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Well, something is always better ... http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coo...a-mach2gt.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Creek Tha Gray
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Who said the ppl that designed those rads were engineers?Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
btw, same thing could be said about the fine folks in Tt's WC division. :yepp:
Well, wait a second ... the restriction's "bottleneck" for that RAD should be more or less equal to a single x3 2 pass RAD, as sides have significantly less restriction being doubled ... therefore the restriction is actually based on the central part. What is wrong with dual pass x3 RAD regarding restriction? Why 3xMCR320 (or any other rads 3 x single3) will have less restriction being actually 6-passed vs this one, which is 4 passed (and only 2 passes are as restrictive as each of those 6), unless we use one-pass x3 rads, but except of PA160.1 what other RADs are 1-passed, especially if we are talking about x3 versions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
(3xMCR320 will have a HUGE pressure drop 3x18%=54% being 6-passed).
The pressure drop for 3x120.3 will be 18% (3x6%), may be even a bit more due to additional connections between RADs ... 1080 doubtfully has worse total restriction. I took a look inside, it's pipes are significantly bigger, than in BIX, therefore I assume it has less restriction than a single BIX (which has 17% pressure loss according to Marci's data).
Why do we consider 4 passing as "bad" while we are not talking about a single RAD here, but about a TRIPLE?
BTW I have no doubts that 3x120.3 will win against 1080 in my planned setup, may be even 2x120.3 will win ... but I have some doubts about 3xMCR320 due to a serious pressure drop ...
What are your temps pls.... :confused:
that's what she said:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by RockfordFosgate