New 8 into 1 Outlet Waterblock :-)

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02-27-2007, 10:29 PM
AussieJester

New 8 into 1 Outlet Waterblock :-)

My new camera arrived so I thought I would post a few
pics of this new waterblock I have been working on for
the last few weeks. I have made 3-4 different tops for it
now and decided on the one seen in below pics.(sorry to
the Delrin and non Acrylic Plexi fans :-P ) It is
~95% done, all thats left is for the 21 holed jet impingement
plate to be fitted to the cylinder on the inner side of the top
of the block...and a final rub down with 1200 and a polish...anywayz,
here ya go people ma new block-->

http://myfoto.westnet.com.au/Photo/s.../Preview/4.jpg

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http://myfoto.westnet.com.au/Photo/s...w/13659478.jpg

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http://myfoto.westnet.com.au/Photo/s.../Preview/2.jpg

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I guess you wanna see the insides to yeah? :-P

http://myfoto.westnet.com.au/Photo/s...w/IMG_0062.jpg

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http://myfoto.westnet.com.au/Photo/s...w/IMG_0055.jpg

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The base has 121 4mm long 1mmx1mm square 'pins'

Tools/Machinery Used

Bench Drill
Dremel Roatary Tool and bitz
mini Bandsaw
sander

Materials Used

6mm copper bar stock $AU5
10mm Acrylic Perspex $off cutz free from bin
Old Car inner tube tyre $for gasket dug out of dumpster at local Servo
2xbras 1/2inch fittings $AU2.75

cost ~$US7.80 all up :-P

I know someone will ask, so before they do NO I wont be
'testing' this block against a range of other off the shelf blocks.

I will post delta temps of its performance in my rig when it is hooked
up compared to the current Dangerden RBX775 based
block i'm using at present...end of story :-)

I hope to have it fitted in the pc before the weekend, getting the
impingement plate correct is giving me grief, 21 tiny holes positioned
directly above the '+' section of the pins is tricky by hand hehe...

Shall report back when the block has been tested with performance
results on my E6600 and some final pics of the polished block :-)

Ciao for now peoplz ;-)
02-28-2007, 12:03 AM
Sorrow13

Looks like you put a metric ton of work into that, well done.

Only thing i could say is its obvious one side of the 8 jets will have more pressure than the others, itl be important to line that up properly with a core.

Otherwise, i await the results!
02-28-2007, 12:06 AM
p8ntslinger676

very cool, nice work
02-28-2007, 12:09 AM
AussieJester

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorrow13

Looks like you put a metric ton of work into that, well done.

Only thing i could say is its obvious one side of the 8 jets will have more pressure than the others, itl be important to line that up properly with a core.

Otherwise, i await the results!

Think you might have the workings of it incorrect there mate ... the centre is the inlet
it will have a plate in the cylinder like-->

http://myfoto.westnet.com.au/Photo/s...ment_plate.jpg

Excuse the shockin PhotoChop effort LoL... the water will pass
through these holes and hit the '+' section of the channels in the copper base, the water then flows to the outer 'ring' and up through one of the 8 outlet holes to the next level of the block, it then exists out the 1/2 inch outlet :-) I think you thought the inlet was going through the 8 holes ? It don't hehe.. Hope that clears it up anywayz... apologies if I got it ass about wouldn't be first time LOL

Cheers for the comments will have impingement plate, mounting bracket and some
results ASAP buddy :-)
02-28-2007, 12:42 AM
Pete

Looking really good dude. Must of taken hours to make but it is good looking.
02-28-2007, 01:09 AM
dnb#

jezus, what a good looking block you have made there m8 :)
how many hours did you spend till now?
02-28-2007, 01:15 AM
AussieJester

Cheers for the support fellas...

I didn't keep count of how many hours I put into this particular block, my older
design blocks I can knock out in 2 hours from start to finish, I would say 4 hours for this one from go to finish if i did it all in one hit...which I didnt in this particular case, as mentioned i made 2 or 4 different designed tops until i was happy with what is seen above ( i did make a black one to just quietly :-P )
As it is an original and new design for me It was a bit of "make it up as you go" I don't plan or draw out my designs before hand I had the 8 into 1 idea and ran with it :-)
02-28-2007, 01:25 AM
qwerty69

Great job! Everything looks good!
02-28-2007, 04:39 AM
hopper

nice.... you got the skills
02-28-2007, 05:58 AM
Mekrel

Wow lovely, always impressed by your block work - some great work on the plexi glass though as that must be a pain to shape with a nice finish.

would love to have that ability - first thing I would design would be a north bridge block to make it fit my RD600 perfectly and to be as least restrictive as I could get ala MCW30.
02-28-2007, 01:40 PM
XS Janus

NICE work man!
How did you cut and shape the base... what tools were used?
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02-28-2007, 02:22 PM
Spawne32

i wanna see the temps!!! :D that looks like an awesome idea.
02-28-2007, 04:50 PM
AussieJester

Thanks fellas for all the positive feedback very much appreciated :-)

XS Janus

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieJester

Tools/Machinery Used

Bench Drill
Dremel Roatary Tool and bitz
mini Bandsaw
sander

Here's a picture for those that might not use english as a first language :-)

Aside from sand paper and polish this is all the tools/machinery I used to make the block.

http://myfoto.westnet.com.au/Photo/s...abrication.jpg

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Thanks again fellas :-)
02-28-2007, 04:56 PM
serialk11r

How fast did that dremel cut through the copper? I meant like, how long did the base take you?
02-28-2007, 05:02 PM
AussieJester

Quote:

Originally Posted by serialk11r

How fast did that dremel cut through the copper? I meant like, how long did the base take you?

Took about 30 minutes to do the channels with the dremel.
02-28-2007, 05:05 PM
serialk11r

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieJester

Took about 30 minutes to do the channels with the dremel.

holy crap, I am getting a dremel next week... Really its THAT fast???
Oh btw now I have access to a milling machine :D
02-28-2007, 06:34 PM
Mekrel

For blocks to be that precise without the use a milling machine is some serious handy work, I'm gob smacked. Looks like something you would buy from a batch producer....

Yeah dremels are great tools and they whip through copper/alu easy as pie when you have the right bit and a good quality dremel. Doesn't even have to be a dremel, bosch make good multi tools too.
02-28-2007, 07:19 PM
serialk11r

Bah, I'll get a Black and Decker, no $$$ :( Just to tell everyone by the time I resume my block manufacturing I'll be using REAL tools not some crap I bought for 50 bucks :p: YAY!
02-28-2007, 07:32 PM
AussieJester

Quote:

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Bah, I'll get a Black and Decker, no $$$ :( Just to tell everyone by the time I resume my block manufacturing I'll be using REAL tools not some crap I bought for 50 bucks :p: YAY!

HAHAHA don't buy Black And Decker then

'REAL' Tools cost more than you can afford lil fella... Industrial quality/strength tools are not cheap, and I fail to see the point of paying quadruple for a machine that will be used a dozen times a year if that in some cases...if you make a living with tools by all means buy quality, for the 'hobbisit' the lesser brands are more than adequate.
02-28-2007, 07:35 PM
serialk11r

Um, how much did your dremel cost? It didn't pass the 100 dollar mark right? Oh and could you please list all those attachments you used? As in the names? I need to go shopping saturday ;)
Well my budget isn't that tight, I did some calculations and stuff, and I think one that isn't TOO cheap is affordable. ROFL that black and decker was only 30 bucks with free shipping off home depot :D It appears that someone bought that very one and was using it for a case mod :p:
02-28-2007, 07:46 PM
AussieJester

I posted a picture of the bits I used why can't you gotto Dremels website and look up their names yourself?

My Dremel cost around $AU80
02-28-2007, 07:51 PM
serialk11r

Oh IC... I think my budget for dremel will be uh, about 50 US?
Hey how did you make the sides of the top clear and shiny? Did you use acetone or something and polish?
02-28-2007, 08:00 PM
Mekrel

Probably some abrasive like you get with some lapping kits. I got some of this chemco stuff, which comes in a pink tub which isn't the finest but I used it to buff out the marks on some of my waterblocks.

My maze5 is on so tight I get the ATi logo impressed into the copper. You do get a pot of abrasive polish which is quite fine with dremels. The one I got is a burgendy red kinda colour.
02-28-2007, 08:02 PM
serialk11r

lol did you know sandpaper and abrasive stuff makes acrylic CLOUDY? I think he did that then threw some acetone or MEK on it. Thats basically what some plastic glues are, Acetone, MEK.
02-28-2007, 08:06 PM
Mekrel

Sorry, thought you was on about the copper and sand paper / abrasive materials do not make acrylic go cloudy. Used it loads of time and always smoothed it off with wet n' dry and then finalised with some fine wire wool.

Look in the case mod section for people who use plexi and they always file it down after cutting it.

Edit: but the stuff that his blocks are using is more brittle than anything I ever worked with, so who knows :)
02-28-2007, 08:07 PM
serialk11r

You kidding? I took sandpaper to plexi and it turned very very cloudy!
02-28-2007, 08:24 PM
Subsider

heres a good read on working with acrylic
02-28-2007, 08:28 PM
serialk11r

Wow that is one good guide, it has all the info that I spent tons of googling to get, plus more.
02-28-2007, 08:54 PM
p0tter

subscribed.
02-28-2007, 10:02 PM
AussieJester

Lovin ma new camera can you tell hehehe --->

http://myfoto.westnet.com.au/Photo/s...s/IMG_0085.jpg

All thats needed for crystal clear finish on plexi... Same sand paper is used for lapping the copper base although anything above 800 grit on a base IMO is eye candy only and doesnt increase performance any.

EDIT: For a nice frost finish to get even light dispersion throughout the plexi 800/1000 and no cut and polishing gives a nice finish.
02-28-2007, 10:29 PM
serialk11r

Thanks for the info, I'll just use 1500 on the sides then, and acetone because acetone actually breaks down the acrylic, and that should smooth it out at least. Or some of that clear acetone based glue I have, that happens to dry into something that looks EXACTLY like acrylic.
03-01-2007, 01:01 AM
AussieJester

Finally managed to get the 21 holed impingement plate made
and fitted today, here's a few close up pics -->

http://myfoto.westnet.com.au/Photo/s...ies_pics_1.jpg

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Have also cut out the mounting bracket but still requires
a few finishing 'touches' Will be back with that tomorrow...
03-01-2007, 06:10 AM
Subsider

nice work !
03-01-2007, 10:05 AM
XS Janus

Great info, thanks! :)
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03-01-2007, 02:26 PM
Sorrow13

love the close up pics.
Keep up the good work.
03-01-2007, 03:40 PM
serialk11r

The block reminds me of DangerDen blocks, fancy shape base and tops lol, swiftech seems to like to keep things simple.
03-01-2007, 03:49 PM
dinos22

i'm really impressed with your threads man wow :toast:

sooooo when do you start making these for aussies to test :D :p: :D
03-01-2007, 03:53 PM
Pete

No way, fully sized photos are better. Could we get some day light ones and macro??
03-01-2007, 04:09 PM
Mekrel

Hey Aussie, I'll do you a deal!

You make me a RD600 block and I'll ship you some Fosters, as we know you Aussies love Fosters ;)

Don't hurt me :(
03-01-2007, 04:11 PM
Timmay

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinos22

sooooo when do you start making these for aussies to test :D :p: :D

After he sends one to this kiwi :P
03-01-2007, 05:04 PM
Fr3ak

Outstanding work mate!!

I have seen many selfmade blocks and yours is definatley one of the best looking.

I am saving money for some decent tools :)

Great work once again. :toast:
03-01-2007, 05:07 PM
serialk11r

This guy is like a pro with a dremel, I was browsing the internet for DIY blocks and his was all over the net. He dremeled "lines" into his block and they look pretty much parallel!
03-01-2007, 05:17 PM
AussieJester

Thanks for the kind words fellas much appreciated...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mekrel

Hey Aussie, I'll do you a deal!

You make me a RD600 block and I'll ship you some Fosters, as we know you Aussies love Fosters ;)

Don't hurt me :(

HAHA you have been HORRIBLY miss-informed buddy LOL... Fosters is beer us Aussies make to export we keep the good stuff for ourselves Carlton Cold and Victoria Bitter FTW :-P

I myself wont be making another for a cpu like this one, I have planned for a northbridge block and a gpu block with similar design (will obviously post these here when complete :-) ) After that though 'I' wont be making them.
03-01-2007, 05:23 PM
phelan1777

She is SEXY!
03-01-2007, 05:23 PM
serialk11r

Hey how do you do the o-rings? Where do you put the grooves? Oh nvm, they're in the top. How did you make the grooves?
03-01-2007, 05:24 PM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieJester

Thanks for the kind words fellas much appreciated...

HAHA you have been HORRIBLY miss-informed buddy LOL... Fosters is beer us Aussies make to export we keep the good stuff for ourselves Carlton Cold and Victoria Bitter FTW :-P.

:ROTF:

hey man you shouldn't have told him that otherwise Carlton/VB/XXX/others might start exporting too with pretty labels and puke beer :D
03-01-2007, 05:36 PM
Mekrel

Hahahah! Thats why I put the wink and the don't hurt me after. I know it's just advertising and you have much better stuff.

Funny that when I used to work in a small fruit and veg shop as a teenager, my friend comes running in 30 mins late for work, half dressed in his clubbing gear. Noticed he wasn't wearing any socks to which he pulls them out of his bag when I ask why.

"I think I wet myself during my sleep"

Me: "Righhtt... and this magical urine only had it in for your socks being as the rest of you is bone dry"

Him: "Puzzled look"

Me: *Whips socks out of his hand, sniff sniff*

It's Fosters you plank! Why you drinking that stuff you idiot! Needless to say we sent him that day to get out breakfast sarnies in the morning. Well not mine, as he loved to prank me and order me mushroom only Sandwiches :/

Man those were the days.
03-01-2007, 09:49 PM
AussieJester

OK fellas, completed the mounting plate and decided a lil 'signature/logo'
was a good idea :-P Here's final pics of the block-->

(also had a play around with settings on my new camera to get some clearer shots)

http://myfoto.westnet.com.au/Photo/s...w/IMG_0131.jpg

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http://myfoto.westnet.com.au/Photo/s...w/IMG_0140.jpg

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Shall hook the block up to a hydor L30 pump (unfortunately this is
the only pump i have spare that i also know the exact specs to)
And see what sort of flow rates she gets...

Back with some results in a day or two...
03-01-2007, 11:43 PM
pumbertot

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieJester

After that though 'I' wont be making them.

looking awesome there mate,great work. so I see you are implying someone else will be manufacturing this design for the masses.
03-02-2007, 02:03 AM
Pete

Nice, what a rippa
03-02-2007, 03:33 PM
serialk11r

Awwww I was thinking of a mounting plate like that!
Anyways, that acrylic looks sorta cloudy...what happened to it?
03-02-2007, 04:44 PM
pumbertot

Quote:

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Awwww I was thinking of a mounting plate like that!
Anyways, that acrylic looks sorta cloudy...what happened to it?

is it?I cant tell have you tried seeing these pics with 4 bit colour. thats all Ive got at the moment as no S3 Virge drivers fior XP. :lol:
03-02-2007, 05:10 PM
Ambro

Nice stuff indeed :clap:

I'll have a coopers sparkling with my satay squid though ....
03-02-2007, 05:19 PM
AussieJester

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ambro

Nice stuff indeed :clap:

I'll have a coopers sparkling with my satay squid though ....

http://myfoto.westnet.com.au/Photo/s...s/IMG_0174.jpg

:-P

Might be a bit cold by the time it gets to you mate hehehe
03-02-2007, 05:27 PM
serialk11r

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieJester

http://myfoto.westnet.com.au/Photo/s...s/IMG_0174.jpg

:-P

Might be a bit cold by the time it gets to you mate hehehe

Oh god "chinese" food, such a ripoff, and its so unauthentic.
03-02-2007, 05:48 PM
[cTx] Nooc

and probably watered-down for all the pussies who can't handle a little heat
03-16-2007, 03:47 PM
AussieJester

I have been trying to get hold of some 3mm stainless steel rod
now for the best part of two weeks so i can finally mount this
freakin block and see how she performs WELL FINALLY my best
mate came through and secured me a meter of stainless steel
threaded rod wooohooo

I have cut the rod to size, drilled and tapped 4 aluminum
thumbscrews (as used on pc cases available in packets
10 for $AU10) The rod length may have to be 'trimmed'
down slightly will see when fitting.

(I have taken the pics in macro mode just for
you pete as i remembered you asked :-) )
http://myfoto.westnet.com.au/Photo/s...ies_pics_1.jpg

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Just waiting on breakfast then I shall mount the sucker
and AT LAST get some results!! Back in a couple hours
fellas.
03-16-2007, 04:41 PM
ziddey

looks absolutely great. now quit teasing and put it to work :):)
03-17-2007, 08:38 AM
sc00p

I've had somewhat same kind of designs in my head for a long time... all_copper_10_into_1 -way... I'll say this is far more sexy block :cool:

Great work AussieJester !! :toast: Heat distribution should be quite optimal :p:
03-17-2007, 05:25 PM
ramenchef

Wow, that block looks so sweet. How about a little bundy rum instead? :-P
03-17-2007, 05:46 PM
AussieJester

Quote:

Originally Posted by ziddey

looks absolutely great. now quit teasing and put it to work :):)

LOL sorry fellas here ya go-->

Slightly delayed i totally forgot the Australian Formula 1 Grand
Prix started yesterday so have spent ALOT of time perched on
the lounge in front of the big screen watching :-)

I ducked out in the arvo after the coverage finished and fitted
the block up-->

http://myfoto.westnet.com.au/Photo/s..._1_mounted.jpg

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YES...it's your standard re-enforced garden hose and NO i wont
be replacing it with Tygon before someone starts up about it,
I am not concerned about the looks of this particular case it is
a 'intrim case' while I finish modding my current case/project.
I have spied some nice shiny 7/16 black hose in a catalog my
Hydraulic fittings supplier gave me that i think I'll try out on that :-)
For now though, the garden hose with it's 100% UV resistance &
guarantee for 10 years, not to mention not one cable tie or clamp
required ! shall do for now ;-)

Here's how she performs-->

http://myfoto.westnet.com.au/Photo/s..._Overclock.jpg

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Ambient temp is now 21.2 (aircon roarin LoL)

Standard E6600 settings (2400mhz) idle temps 33 load
temps 38!!

Yesterday I tried mounting the block without any thermal compound,
temps were around 3 degrees higher across the board on idle and
~5-6 under load.

Will snatch a few screenies with cpuid coretemp Prime95
and SuperPI all running later this arvo to add to the post
atm though it is back to the lounge to watch the Australian
Grand Prix GO WEBBER...
03-17-2007, 08:06 PM
TheReds

duuude that garden hose is awesome! Great work on the block also!

peace
03-17-2007, 08:08 PM
AussieJester

Quote:

Originally Posted by soccerswim8

Thats excellent! beauty and success!

what are all your WC parts, and your previous temps with your previous block?

Pump is Swiftech MCP655 GPU waterblock is custom made by myself (gpu never goes above 42 degres running ATi1800GT0 presently) as is the evap cooling tower, all of which have been posted in past on XTremeSystems forums if you want to have a little search about for them if your interested in seeing them :-)

Previously had a DangerDen RBX775 based block (custom plexi top) temps @ idle
were ~ the same as the 'AJ8' block however the load temps of the DanderDen block were 5-6 degrees higher than the 'AJ8' So yeah it has been very successful little venture hehe :-) I think when i drop the vcore down a little i will shave a few degrees off temps again also, currently running 1.41 knowing
full well this particular cpu runs 3.50ghz @ 1.35VCore (was rushed this morning as mentioned early i will do some screen shots with appz running after grand Prix coverage and edit my previous post :-)

Cheers for the interest and comments matey :-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheReds

duuude that garden hose is awesome! Great work on the block also!

peace

HAHA cheers, it looks nice in person it's actually black with silver reinforcing
03-17-2007, 08:40 PM
AussieJester

Here's how she performs-->

http://myfoto.westnet.com.au/Photo/s..._Overclock.jpg

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Ambient temp is now 21.2 (aircon roarin LoL)

Standard E6600 settings (2400mhz) idle temps 33 load
temps 38!!<--(these temps taken when ambient was 26 degrees
earlier today)

As suspect dropping VCore to 1.35 from 1.41 LoL reduced the temps ALOT hehe ;-P

Back with my next lil project in the not to distant future, thanyou all for the suport
and encouraging messages...

:-)
03-17-2007, 09:34 PM
AussieJester

Quote:

Originally Posted by soccerswim8

wow, 5-6 degrees is amazing success off a manufactured block!

what is your rad?

Yeah very happy with it, outperforms the DangerDen based RBX
quite convincingly, no radiator in use I use evap cooling tower
(Bong Tower) Water temp remains pretty constant on 27-28
degrees idle and load. I dont find that the cooling tower
produces any special performance when cpu is not getting worked, as
soon as some heat starts getting produced the towers come into their own IMO.
03-18-2007, 06:48 AM
Plywood99

AussieJ that is truely exceptional work. Hats off to you for the patience and skill required for such work.

Ever think of being a machinist???

Ply
03-18-2007, 01:35 PM
ziddey

wow nice work. that hose is great looking too
03-18-2007, 04:27 PM
Bun-Bun

Wow... just wow...

I can not believe you did that with a dremel and a drill press...

BTW is there somewhere online that you can get good quality cutting tools for dremels that can cut copper and aluminum? I have been doing a lot of mods with lian li cases and 3/16 aluminum plates recently and all I can find are tungsten carbide discs and stones... locally anyway.

But yeah... wow... That is amazing. Can't say I would buy your block but I still know craftsmanship when I see it.

BTW Nice MX5000 keyboard mouse combo there :P are you plagued by hordes of lag and disconnect issues as well?
03-18-2007, 08:37 PM
voigts

I want to know how on earth you get such precise cuts with a dremel? And how you got the shape of the acrylic so uniform? I mean your stuff looks like it was done on a computerized mill.
03-18-2007, 10:18 PM
AussieJester

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plywood99

AussieJ that is truely exceptional work. Hats off to you for the patience and skill required for such work.

Ever think of being a machinist???

Thanks mate ;-) And no I never have thought of being a machinist I have however had some time on lathes and mills in previous years and if I ever get some cash together will get myself a small mill for my home workshop :-) I'm on a permanant disability pension so money is rather tight most of the time unfortunately.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bun-Bun

Wow... just wow...

I can not believe you did that with a dremel and a drill press...

BTW is there somewhere online that you can get good quality cutting tools for dremels that can cut copper and aluminum?

Takes a little practice to get the size of the channels down to how you see them now, if you check my older waterblocks you will see it wasn't always as 'fine' as it is now, :-)

I buy all my reinforced cuttoff disks from eBay couple of local sellers have 25 disks for 5 bucks EXCELLENT value.

OH...and the MX5000 has never missed a beat since i popped the usb dongle on a lead away from back of pc and updated the Logitech software...actual ATM using standard Vista drivers...works a treat, I often sit on my lounge with keyboard and mouse and game on ly 109cm screen so i needed the BlueTooth capability.

Quote:

Originally Posted by voigt

I want to know how on earth you get such precise cuts with a dremel? And how you got the shape of the acrylic so uniform? I mean your stuff looks like it was done on a computerized mill.

As mentioned above practice LoL...I also do pre-drill the block with small drill bit to the desired depth (4mm in this case) and then simply
'join the holes' Joining pre-drilled holes that have been done on the press after center punching the copper is a lil easier than going straight at it with a cutt-off disk and dremel....although can be done :-P
03-19-2007, 04:43 AM
Bun-Bun

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieJester

OH...and the MX5000 has never missed a beat since i popped the usb dongle on a lead away from back of pc and updated the Logitech software...actual ATM using standard Vista drivers...works a treat, I often sit on my lounge with keyboard and mouse and game on ly 109cm screen so i needed the BlueTooth capability.

They must have improved the drivers quite a lot then. I have had my set for over a year now and when I first got it, it was impossible to game from 1 ft away from the dongle.

Even with practice that is still incredible.

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