GIGABYTE DS3 FAQ by CrazyJohn /FAQ on 1st page/

CrazyJohn’s Gigabyte DS3 FAQ ;] ver 1.6.0.0
Chinese version /by hicookie/:
http://www1.oc.com.tw/forums/msgexce...allfrom=219667
http://www.pcdvd.com.tw/showthread.php?t=644390


GigaBytes website - http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/...me=GA-965P-DS3


Since GigaByte is making a lot of a progress in fixing issues, and the faq is being written from the very early appearance of DS3 on the market, some issues are already fixed by a new bios (some 7600GS, D9 problems). Be sure to first upgrade your bios, then check whether the issue is still present, if so read more. Links to bioses, betas and retail, are at the bottom of this FAQ.


TRY ALSO GIGABYTE’S MEMORY THREAD BY CRAZY JOHN:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/....php?p=1689710



http://www.tomshardware.fr/images/ne...2/965p-DS3.jpg





[Q] Will my Nina+ fit on DS3?
[A] Yes, there is no need to worry, everything works fine. AFAIK Ninja+ is the best air cooling solution for Core2Duo. People on E6300 fsb 490(x7) 1.5VCore get <70*C load with a low rpm fan. There may be better but they are all louder and more expensive...

[Q] Is it normal that my chipset is soooo damn hot?
[A] Yes and no, on stock settings, the radiator is very, very hot. And it’s quite ok. When o/c’ing it’s good to replace the radiator with an active cooling or to put some fan. 80mm 5V will do.

[Q] Why can’t I overclock at all?
This issue is often mistaken with the issue below. Be sure to read this explanation.
Symptoms of no o/c’ing at all (may be one, may be all):
Cannot change PCIe bus speed, after changing to anything from Auto the system resets in POST before mem testing.
Cannot change fsb because system resets as above.
Changing any V in BIOS doesn’t make any difference in o/c.
Changing timing in BIOS doesn’t make any difference in o/c

Changing in my mind means ex. 267fsb (stock 266), 265fsb and so on. These are slightly (and more significant) changes which cannot be done. This is not a problem of >450fsb or sth. This is a problem of no o/c at all!
This is not a problem of a fsbwall – this is not for you if you have already overclocked even a 1Mhz!

[A] There are several possible causes of this problem:
ONE – BIOS:
look below at disabling the Legacy USB storage detect option in BIOS and UPGRADE your BIOS.
TWO – VGA:
Your VGA card is probably making MB not to overclock. Try buying some crappy PCI /not PCIe/ VGA 1MB card (or 2, 4 MBs:) ) and putting it in, booting with only PCI VGA. It worked for me, I could overclock and when I finished I put my 7600GS inside. Everything is working quite ok :) If not, just try another video card but a different model.
THREE – RAM:
This is the least well known issue today. I guess... replace ram and see if it helps o/c’ing... If so... just buy new sticks ;/ Sorry

[Q] What should I do to overclock more? – a fsbwall
[A] First of all Disable all special features in bios, if you don’t use LPT, disable it. The chipset would very appreciate you not to have to be working so hard :) Then Disable in Advanced BIOS Features everything starting from Limit CPUID Max to 3, ending at Virtualization Technology (including these two mentioned). Then at Integrated Peripherals disable Legacy USB storage detect – it’s an option which is required only if you have na USB hard drive. Set PCIe to 100Mhz, timings to 5-5-5-15 (or other high timings your mem is working with), set x2 for mem speed, set +0.1V for MCH, set 1.5V (or higher) for CPU – to see if it’s not a cpu fault. You may also disable everything under PC Health Status menu... Finally, unplug all USB devices. Hope it helps! If no (for those >450fsb) it means the system overlockability has ended :) or mother board doesn’t like so much your ram or vga... Try then borrowing, and replacing to see if it works...

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Originally Posted by dualshock

usb mouse - zero overclock
no usb mouse - FULL OC potentional

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Originally Posted by Shonky

For those of you with a wall at 380-390Mhz, I got past that wall by fitting a 40mm fan to the northbridge heatsink. The board now does 450mhz without a problem. Might be an alternative to RMA. :)

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update: some people report new F4 bios to rise fsbwall for them ;)

[Q] Why the hell do I see CAS3 (CL3) in CPU-Z while I set in bios CL4/CL5?
[A] Some say the MB makes all ram boot at CL3, some say it’s a bios issue when telling the data to the programs under Windows. I guess it’s the second. Mainly because not all memory could boot at CL3 and what is more, there are highly no memories that would boot at ~500fsb with CL3 ;) So it’s pretty much a bios issue, which we hope to be fixed soon. Just don’t worry :) update: get bios F4E (or never), it fixes the CAS problem.

[Q] What is the problem with DS3 and nVidia cards?
[A] Some nVidia cards prevent this MB from overclocking at all :) Ex. Galaxy 7600GS Zalman edition 1.2ns, see the no overclocking at all problem.

[Q] What is the problem with DS3 and D9 memories?
[A] This, and other GigaByte MBs like DS4 and DQ6 are very fastidious. They, don’t like the best DDRIIs on the market nowadays ;) D9 are known to be Winbond for ddr2 slots memory, tight timings, high frequency. GigaByte Mobos don’t like, for sure, Good Ram nonPRO 667 mem (D9). But these are only to be bought in Poland and/or Germany. The rest is pretty likely to be working well, but look below!

[Q] What is the problem with memories and DS3?
[A] Some memories require 2.0V to boot. Standard DS3 stock VDimm is 1.8V. Simply after a CMOS reset the system won’t boot... If you happened to have such mem, replace them. Or buy some shi++y lowcost mem and put it in to boot, change VDimm and replace with your modules to continue o/c.

[Q] Do I really need a VGA PCI card to overclock?
[A] It depends what is making your system crappy. Sometimes it’s a VGA, sometimes it’s a mem, sometimes these are bios settings. My personal search was: BIOS, VGA, MEM, ordered like that, because changing settings in bios, costs nothing, buying VGA was like 10zl (~3$). Luckily I didn’t have to replace ram.

[Q] What about undervoltage?
[A] Core 2 Duo CPUs have a a very great overlockable potential. They can boot even 150% times faster on the stock VCore. Sometimes it’s profitable to undervolt the cpu to get lower temp and still have system running stable.

[Q] My temps are high, so high... 50*C idle. What to do?
[A] This is an abnormal situation. Check your cooling, maybe put some new thermal paste and try another cooler... This is quite good: http://www.arcticsilver.com/as5.htm so is the Ninja+ cooler http://www.scythe-eu.com/products/cp...scnj-1000P.php.

[Q] Why is Gigabyte doing nothing to fix these issues? Can it be done only by a bios upgrade?
[A] Remember that Conroe is a brand new technology. It appeared on marked 2 weeks ago. They are doing their bests at GigaByte to make everything works. They have already fixed few issues, we are waiting for new bioses to several next be fixed :)

[Q] My MB keeps restarting after changing anything in BIOS, is that normal?
[A] As GigaByte says on their website it’s normal. It’a a part of intelligent overclocking system, which keeps system booting even if you set to high / tight parameters during o/c. If, lets say, you want to made it boot at 500fsb, it would reset 2-3 times and come back to stock settings, letting you know the fsb is too high.

[Q] My MB boots at 66Mhz fsb
[A] Upgrade your bios to F3 or F4. There was an fsb issue in F1 bios.

[Q] In windows there are only few IRQ in use – many devices use the same IRQ
[A] GigaByte posted to one of the XS forum members a reply saying there is nothing wrong in having few devices on one IRQ. The theory is different, however, noone has reported problems with having few devices on one IRQ on DS3. If you want, you can change in windows (Control Panel, System, Device Manager? – I’ve got polish windows ;) )

[Q] My CD/DVD is working soooo slowly, what to do?
[A] There is a problem of not enabling DMA mode in windows on DS3. Firstly, check this settings under windows, select DMA and reboot. Then try to install newest drivers from GigaByte website. It should help. Next time installing windows, make sure you have got the newest drivers on fdd. Also make sure you’ve got newest BIOS. Mine has somehow fixed itself after upgrading bios and installing drivers from CD... I’m not 100% sure what causes this.

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Originally Posted by Chris583

On the CD/DVD drive issue..I was having issues too, even after installing the latest firmware and software from cd. I updated from bios F2 to F4c and besides there being some windows problem which required a system restore in safe mode...the new bios in conjunction with latest firmware seemed to do the trick for playing DVDs with VLC, all three i tested work now. However...WMP seems to read there is no disc on the drive still, but this may likely be a software issue using wmp 9 installed with windows-i should update.

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[Q] Where to get BIOS files?
[A] Try official GigaByte website, then for F4C, F4E (beta bioses) go here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=109719. Or there is a mirror by Cranox: http://www.cranox.com/Gigabyte/DS3/ thx! :)

[Q] Is it normal that the system will reboot during its first power on after BIOS memory setting changed ? (965P-DQ6, 965P-DS4, 965P-DS3,965P-S3) – FROM GB’S FAQ
[A] For 965P-DQ6, 965P-DS4, 965P-DS3, 965P-S3 motherboard, if the memory setting is not the chipset spec of 800/ 667/533 MHz in the BIOS setting during system installation, then the system will re-write the initial motherboard parameter when the first boot after BIOS seeting. After the re-write is done, the system will reboot. The shutdown and reboot after the first power on is normal situation.

[Q] Is it normal that the system will reboot during its first power on? ( 965P-DS3 and 965P-S3 )– FROM GB’S FAQ
[A] For 965P-DS3 and 965P-S3 motherboard, during the first power on after the system is installed, the system will reset the initial BIOS and Chipset parameter based on the system configuration and then reboot the system. The shutdown and reboot after the first power on is normal situation

[Q] Windows crashes when I start Adobe Audition, Adobe Encore DVD, Adobe Premiere Elements, or Adobe Premiere Pro – FROM GB’S FAQ
[A] Please upgrade Realtek HD audio driver to latest version, and you can download this driver from Realtek website at http://www.realtek.com.tw

[Q] I cannot burn DVD-RW while I can burn DVD-R. I’m using Nero.
[A] Uninstall GigaByte drivers, and GigaByte software. Not sure, at the moment which particular one causes this. AND Update your bios to >=F3 Please PM me somebody.

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Originally Posted by davvy76

Uninstalled gigabyte drivers except sound, lan and chipset, works fine.

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Originally Posted by Chris583

yes it would seem such included ds3 software such as ETC, ET5, Icool, etc. dont do much other than make things more luckly to F up. I uninstalled them all but @Bios.

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Originally Posted by davvy76

I think the dvd+rw (pioneer 111d) problem I experienced was actually the fault of bios f3 and not the drivers as I previously said.

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Originally Posted by Dase

I have a DS3. With my Celeron installed I could burn with Nero no problem. Once I put in my E6600 I couldn't burn anything and Nero would crash. From Add/Remove Programs I uninstalled the Gigabyte Raid Configurer, rebooted, and let XP search the internet for missing drivers. I chose the Gigabyte raid driver from the list XP found and now Nero 7 works fine.

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[Q] I have disabled EIST but my multiplier keeps dropping. Why is my multiplier dropping? How to lock multiplier?
[A] This is an Intel function which reduces heat and power consumption in idle. May be problematic if you demand high core speed (more power) at once – it takes milliseconds for the CPU to ‘gain speed’ (up the multiplier) which is basically the time needed for bios to react – more power needed –> change multiplier
To disable it set in bios the EIST and C1E options both to disabled. I am not 100% sure which one does what, they are basically the same options ;) The multiplier would lock. Check it ex. in CPUz under Windows. Please PM me somebody if you know the theory and can explain the EIST and C1E function.

[Q] I get so much of a vdroop, is something not right? My VCore drops to ~1.17V
[A]

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Originally Posted by Kunaak

this is Normal, the first part of your question, where the voltage drops from 1.325 to 1.312, is absolutely normal. every board on the planet, has some level of variation for voltage, the amount your seeing here, is perfectly fine.
it's the VDroop, that most Intel Boards suffer from, that drives people nuts... set 1.5 volts in bios... get 1.44 volts in windows, get 1.39 volts under load... thats a really annoying feature that every Intel board released for the last 5 years has had, its called "V-Droop".
there is no fix for this through bios.
the only partial fix to it, is called a VDroop Mod. Risky if your not familiar with a soldering iron, and not the most beneficial mod one can do either, but its a nice mod, if your serious about your overclocks.

the second part of this question deals with a feature called C1E State.
when thats enabled, the Voltage to CPU drops to about 1.175 volts or close, when the CPU is at Idle... even if EIST is disabled.
this is the second form of "cooling" options intel has on thier latest CPU's.

if you want your Max multiplier always active, and the Voltage to stay near 1.3 volts or whatever you set it to, disable EIST and C1E in bios.

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[Q] How do I flash bios?
[A] First, read on GigaBytes website. Then use:

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Originally Posted by darkandlong

-Hook up a floppy drive to your DS3
-Copy the official BIOS file to a floppy
-Insert floppy
-Boot PC
-Hit "Del" to enter BIOS
-Hit "F8" to enter Qflash.
-Select "Flash from floppy"
-Follow onscreen prompts to flash.
-Reboot when complete
-Enter BIOS, load fail-safe
-Reset CMOS.

Done.

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or @BIOS under windows.
BE SURE TO DO FLASHING AT STOCK SETTINGS, NOT OVERCLOCKED

[Q] Hidden BIOS menu? How do I enable additional settings?
[A] If you are noob please press ctrl+f1 and check what’s changed ;)
If you are not and have noticed one menu extra go to: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/....php?p=1669860 and read more. Right now it’s a mystery ;)

[Q] DS3 is showing my DVD drive & DVD-RW as SCSI. Should I be worried?
[A] The DS3, like most 965P mobos, use a JMicron SATA/IDE controller chip that Windows sees as a SCSI device. This is perfectly normal and nothing to worry about. - Fred_Pohl post nr 3 - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...05&postcount=3 :)



Sorry for my bad English ;)





And found on forum. THX GUYS!

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Originally Posted by dualshock

i'd like to post my findings that i made today...hope it'll help...

1. i'm still using the 7600gt to OC and to my surprise, when i switched it from DVI to vga output, the OC CAN be done. this may prove that probably my gfx actually have problem.

2. i'm able to OC using single channel of ram and not dual channel ie. using only 1 stick. i've ran dual channel to OC and it worked before, but somehow or rather, now only 1 stick will work with OC. both rams passed memtest. my opinion would be might be the value select ram is a bit too crappy to the board's liking.

3. try not to plug in USB mouse. my board is able to OC without USB mouse. Ps2 mouse will do just fine. this also applies to keyboard.

4. when i OC with all the above conditions, the enabling of usb legacy support doesn't really come into play. i guess it's not affecting mine.

that's all that i've found out for today. i'm still not OC-ing my board cos no PS2 mouse. btw, i'm getting another replacement gfx and hope to post more findings.

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Originally Posted by misteroadster

Warning :
DS3 Hates Forton Powersupply , no boot.

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Originally Posted by boblemagnifique

Gigabyte 965P-DS3 is Not Compatible with Fotron 350w Aurora & Fortron 500w BlueStorm (i think all Fortron :( )

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Originally Posted by delas52

Again my tips for those hitting FSB walls are
ONE: Try putting PCIE Freq. at AUTO. It has given me nearly 100FSB more than with it locked at any number.
TWO: Try lowering the vdimm if you have it at +0.2 or higher. I get my best results at 0.1V
All the other things I could say have been said many times already, but not these two.

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MODS Use ONLY at your own risk !!!
Vdroop pencil mod - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...hlight=ds3+mod


Disclaimer: I get no responsibility or whatsoever of using this FAQ. All changes are done at your own risk. If you happen to find an error PM me. If I did quote you and you don’t like this PM me. It’s impossible to ask everyone at the forum when using his/her idea or quoting them, sorry.

Updated at... look at the date below

Nice FAQ, now let's wait new BIOS revision from Gigabyte to fix these issues.
Yeah and sticky would be great.

I just intsalled the board today with a P4-640 that I had running on an Asus P5WD2 Premium - the 955 model. My CPU oc isn't the issue, its the southbridge - and the lack of features I'm finding. Intel says the 965P has the Storage Matrix (RAID) but I don't see the <CTRL-I> message to bring up the RAID controller. The IDE connector is attached to a Gigabyte controller and SLOW AS WORM DIRT. Putting my IDE CD-ROM drives on a IDE to SATA adapter doesn't work, the BIOS won't recognize them - no matter what jumper position the optical drives are in.
I'm loosing faith in this board. Help restore it.

You can also add link to mods section, including pencil mods :)
http://sg.vr-zone.com/?i=3870&s=9

And some boards report wrong (higher) temps

Nice FAQ and I wish my german/french was like your english :D

nice FAQ!!
this will help me when i get my DS3..
thanks

@kiwi,
yeah and i forgot about the IRQ and DMA mode issues, i'll write it later ;)

i wrote to the moderator to stick it :) i'll wait cause there's a time difference ;) lately i've been speaking to a guy from canada, i was getting up while he was in the middle of the night ;)

damn, found already a slight mistake ;) will correct later :)

Thx for the FAQ :)

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Originally Posted by Khaotic

I just intsalled the board today with a P4-640 that I had running on an Asus P5WD2 Premium - the 955 model. My CPU oc isn't the issue, its the southbridge - and the lack of features I'm finding. Intel says the 965P has the Storage Matrix (RAID) but I don't see the <CTRL-I> message to bring up the RAID controller. The IDE connector is attached to a Gigabyte controller and SLOW AS WORM DIRT. Putting my IDE CD-ROM drives on a IDE to SATA adapter doesn't work, the BIOS won't recognize them - no matter what jumper position the optical drives are in.
I'm loosing faith in this board. Help restore it.

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You'll probably need to update your bios to fc4 => http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=109719. Did you make sure that you went into bios and set it to ide/raid? Also are the sata harddrive connected to the purple slot? If all that is done, there should be a prompt, after the first boot screen to press ctrl+g.

There is an issue with sata+raid that causes ide drive to operate in pio mode. Use the sata drivers on gigabyte website when your installing windows...

pencil mod's hhmmmm

i'd like to post my findings that i made today...hope it'll help...

1. i'm still using the 7600gt to OC and to my surprise, when i switched it from DVI to vga output, the OC CAN be done. this may prove that probably my gfx actually have problem.

2. i'm able to OC using single channel of ram and not dual channel ie. using only 1 stick. i've ran dual channel to OC and it worked before, but somehow or rather, now only 1 stick will work with OC. both rams passed memtest. my opinion would be might be the value select ram is a bit too crappy to the board's liking.

3. try not to plug in USB mouse. my board is able to OC without USB mouse. Ps2 mouse will do just fine. this also applies to keyboard.

4. when i OC with all the above conditions, the enabling of usb legacy support doesn't really come into play. i guess it's not affecting mine.

that's all that i've found out for today. i'm still not OC-ing my board cos no PS2 mouse. btw, i'm getting another replacement gfx and hope to post more findings.

updated.

@dualshock i hope u don't mind ;)

no prob man...go right ahead, i hope it helped a lot of ppl...

Nice quide. But I need my 7950GX2, both USB mouse and keyboard because they work the best in the USB ports as they Logitech G7 and G15. If I try to use the in the PS ports they won't work. I have a E6400 at stock speeds and this sucker is faster in most of benchmarks than a 4400+ at 2.7ghz I had before I got this intel setup. I seem to can't up the FSB at all though.

about mpouse and keyboard - u know ps2 is not hot plug? a restart is needed, and a reinstallation of drivers

I would luv to see a list of working ram for the DS3...

I'm still deciding what to buy the ds3 >P5B dlux >or P5W DH...

"Me sits and waits"
"has no patience > reaches for credit card"
"hits self on head"

Corsair 667 on Elpida chips (what's the proper word for that?:|) works great with DS4 and DS3

thx for FAQ it should help me when i get my DS3 and e6400 but i'm not sure if i picked a good ram. -- RAM= 5400 XTC Gold 4-4-4-12 OCZ

edit: the OCZ Gold 5400 is at 1.9V .. wil the ram boot ???

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Originally Posted by eklipze

thx for FAQ it should help me when i get my DS3 and e6400 but i'm not sure if i picked a good ram. -- RAM= 5400 XTC Gold 4-4-4-12 OCZ

edit: the OCZ Gold 5400 is at 1.9V .. wil the ram boot ???

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Best answer is to try and see. I'm getting some Corsair that runs at 1.9V for my build that starts on Thursday. I'll post how it works out after my finals are over.

okay thx if your corsair boots out of the box i'm probably buying the same ram as you =P i was thinking PC26400 DDR2 800 5-5-5-12? corsair? am i correct?

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Originally Posted by eklipze

okay thx if your corsair boots out of the box i'm probably buying the same ram as you =P i was thinking PC26400 DDR2 800 5-5-5-12? corsair? am i correct?

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I was using Corsair PC2-6400 at 5-5-5-15 and not getting good results. I'm going to GUESS that my board was bad. I could not get a Windows install to start and overclocking went the same as a lot of folks. The sys would reboot back to default settings, and yes - i had an nvidia 7900GTX. And like someone else mentioned, I use USB 2.0 for my G15/G7 combo. Putting them on the PS2 just isn't going to happen. So I guess neither is an upgrade until the big POP happens and somebody makes a board worth the cardboard it's shipped in.

every brand of rams with D9 chips has problem with it?i bought some ocz D9 chips just for this mobo and 6400 so i can go higher 1:1 :(

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Originally Posted by CrazyJohn

Will my Nina + fit on DS3?

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Isn't it Ninja?

john, pls include the following to your faqs

for all who has problem not being able to OC at all, pls remove all your USB connections (working or not) and only plugged in the most basic connections, PS2 keyboard (pure pS2 not with converter) and VGA cable (not dvi and not converter).

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Originally Posted by Khaotic

I was using Corsair PC2-6400 at 5-5-5-15 and not getting good results. I'm going to GUESS that my board was bad. I could not get a Windows install to start and overclocking went the same as a lot of folks. The sys would reboot back to default settings, and yes - i had an nvidia 7900GTX. And like someone else mentioned, I use USB 2.0 for my G15/G7 combo. Putting them on the PS2 just isn't going to happen. So I guess neither is an upgrade until the big POP happens and somebody makes a board worth the cardboard it's shipped in.

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I have overclocked my d805 from 2.6 to 3.8ghz using corsair 6400 cl5 and ds3 mobo. I had issues at first, but when I put settings to manual (pci-e, memory frequency, timings, vcore, vdimm), i was able to overclock w/o much hassle there after...

Oh yea, this is with fc4 bios and latest sata+raid drivers.

hm..wow so much problems lol well if these 6400 rams are cuasing these problems probably i'm going to get some 1.9V DDR2 667 they're low volt and can run at about 800Mhz. = 400 mhz frequency so yeah thats about good too =D

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Originally Posted by CrazyJohn

Corsair 667 on Elpida chips (what's the proper word for that?:|) works great with DS4 and DS3

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Ty for the info m8...
i was looking at these as well
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820220095

not bad ram zillaoc. you probably can get that to 5-5-5-15 and up some voltage =D

How is it possible that using a DVI connection vs VGA causes overclocking problems? THis doesn't make sense to me.

"Mine has somehow fixed itself after upgrading bios and installing drivers from CD... I’m not 100% sure what causes this. "

On the CD/DVD drive issue..I was having issues too, even after installing the latest firmware and software from cd. I updated from bios F2 to F4c and besides there being some windows problem which required a system restore in safe mode...the new bios in conjunction with latest firmware seemed to do the trick for playing DVDs with VLC, all three i tested work now. However...WMP seems to read there is no disc on the drive still, but this may likely be a software issue using wmp 9 installed with windows-i should update.

Still can't boot with OCZ800 RAM. Everyone seems to say that putting in some cheap ram and updating the BIOS then upping the DIMM Voltage +.2 or +.3 makes it work (which I did), but it still does the exact same thing after all that, even with one stick OCZ in. Fans start up, but I get no signal on the monitor and don't get the startup beep.

Any suggestions? Using a Seasonic 430W PSU, MSI 7600GT Card, and E6300.

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Originally Posted by lopri

Isn't it Ninja?

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Is's Ninja PLUS (Ninja+)

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Originally Posted by dualshock

john, pls include the following to your faqs

for all who has problem not being able to OC at all, pls remove all your USB connections (working or not) and only plugged in the most basic connections, PS2 keyboard (pure pS2 not with converter) and VGA cable (not dvi and not converter).

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I think i did write that?:> maybe i didn't make myself clear i wrote to unplug all usb

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Originally Posted by Chris583

"Mine has somehow fixed itself after upgrading bios and installing drivers from CD... I’m not 100% sure what causes this. "

On the CD/DVD drive issue..I was having issues too, even after installing the latest firmware and software from cd. I updated from bios F2 to F4c and besides there being some windows problem which required a system restore in safe mode...the new bios in conjunction with latest firmware seemed to do the trick for playing DVDs with VLC, all three i tested work now. However...WMP seems to read there is no disc on the drive still, but this may likely be a software issue using wmp 9 installed with windows-i should update.

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i'll put it in faq



updated.

Question: Will this board work with an E-IDE DVD-RW drive, namely the Sony DRU-820?

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Originally Posted by MQuartermass

Question: Will this board work with an E-IDE DVD-RW drive, namely the Sony DRU-820?

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should work fine.. im using a pioneer 108 with mine

/!\ Gigabyte 965P-DS3 is not Accept 512mb Corsair 5400 UL rev 1.3 /!\

:mad: :mad: :mad:

wow very surprised this is the first time i've seen corsair having problem with the DS3 board since most corsair are at the low 1.9-2.0V

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Originally Posted by MQuartermass

Question: Will this board work with an E-IDE DVD-RW drive, namely the Sony DRU-820?

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i;m using IDE Pioneer DVD-RW and is working very good

http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/...ail.asp?id=373

anyone think those mushkin ram will have any problems with the DS3?

anyone pleayed with balistix on teh DS3?

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Originally Posted by eklipze

http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/...ail.asp?id=373

anyone think those mushkin ram will have any problems with the DS3?

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i'm using that ram, 2x1gb (996527) and it runs superbly. prime stable @ 1080mhz 5-6-5-15 2.2vdimm :D

but i'm using DS4.

Can anyone reading this thread confirm that the DS3/DS4 works fine with Gskill LA 5400?

cheers!

irenic: i'm thinking about that ram i still can get the OCZ plat which runs SUPERB too but i just have to boot up and get the F4C Bios update.-- i'm still thinking about it -- BTW: Mhz. and timings are kinda loosened too much. don't think i'll ever need ram to run at 1000 Mhz lol

Cool_dude: if Gskill is about 1.9V it should do perfectly fine unless the DS3/4 doesn't like that kind of ram. pS: most people only have problems with the PC26400 DDR2800 rams cuz they're usually higher voltage.

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Originally Posted by cool_dude

Can anyone reading this thread confirm that the DS3/DS4 works fine with Gskill LA 5400?

cheers!

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I forgot to mention that it works fine on DS3, im getting a DS4 so should be the same yup?

Anyone sucessful in clocking this ram here?

Cheers.

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Originally Posted by cool_dude

I forgot to mention that it works fine on DS3, im getting a DS4 so should be the same yup?

Anyone sucessful in clocking this ram here?

Cheers.

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I'm intrested in the answer to this too! Please someone enlighten us :)

Gigabyte DS3
i have tried Team Group DDR2 1000 5-5-5-15 and Corsair XMS2 Pro DDR 533 3-3-3-8 with no problems to boot

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Question: Will this board work with an E-IDE DVD-RW drive, namely the Sony DRU-820?

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It should... I have a E-IDE Samsung DVD-RW...and it works, mind you dvd playback didnt work at first with the mobo on the stock F2 bios, but F4C seemed to work for me and who knows the F3 might too. I'm going to test burning dvds tonight.

Also, TeamGroup DDR2 667 3-3-3-8 2GB Kit works fine in the DS3 at boot.

Can any 1 confirm if the G.Skill 2GBHZ DDr2 800

My system failed to boot, and i have no other ddr2 to test on the system

I power it on, it runs for rnd 2 secs before powering down, it duznt seem like a ram issue to me, but just to be sure, cud sum 1 tell me if its the memory?

Very nice FAQ, should be extremely helpful for both existing and future DS3 owners.

To hold off till RD600 or jump DS3 now.....hmmmmm XD

Anyone have an answer to this: In POST and BIOS, my e6300 is correctly recognized at 1.86 with multiplier x7. But in CPU-Z, it says multiplier is x6 and core speed is 1.60 ... ?

EDIT: Using F4C BIOS...

@MQuartermass
it's normal. when not used the cpu slows down...

damn i won;t write the features of the cpu in the faq :P

So to OC this board I have to dump my logitech G15 keybaord and MX1000 mouse? How do any gamers use this board!
ARGGHHHHH!
I have a conroe in my hands wanting a mobo.......

who says so? i've got mx610 usb2ps2 and is working perfectly well

From your post :

"Originally Posted by dualshock
usb mouse - zero overclock
no usb mouse - FULL OC potentional"

I can't take the chance of getting a mobo to OC with that won't OC with USB devices plugged in.

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Originally Posted by gravelayer

So to OC this board I have to dump my logitech G15 keybaord and MX1000 mouse? How do any gamers use this board!
ARGGHHHHH!
I have a conroe in my hands wanting a mobo.......

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i let u know tomorrow when i get my ds4 with 6400
i have mx1000 and the keyboard from the kit mouse+kb of mx700

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Originally Posted by gravelayer

From your post :

"Originally Posted by dualshock
usb mouse - zero overclock
no usb mouse - FULL OC potentional"

I can't take the chance of getting a mobo to OC with that won't OC with USB devices plugged in.

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that was one user
some report unplugging usb devices to make 10-20Mhz more
some report that this has nothing to do with o/c'ing...

Took the Plunge with some 2x1Gig Corsair CM2X1024-6400C4 so I'll report back Friday night :fact:

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Originally Posted by |SiLA|

i let u know tomorrow when i get my ds4 with 6400
i have mx1000 and the keyboard from the kit mouse+kb of mx700

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Well SiLA how did it work out? Im very interested since I will get my DS4 and E6400 next week.

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Originally Posted by Dirt

Well SiLA how did it work out? Im very interested since I will get my DS4 and E6400 next week.

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well it's only 11,30pm here... :p: i should have it running in 14/16 hrs :toast:

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Took the Plunge with some 2x1Gig Corsair CM2X1024-6400C4 so I'll report back Friday night :fact:

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hahah cool lemme kno if it works kk?

the faq is being updated, but still i don't know some thngs...

if anybody knows anything please PM me :)

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Originally Posted by desolator

Can any 1 confirm if the G.Skill 2GBHZ DDr2 800

My system failed to boot, and i have no other ddr2 to test on the system

I power it on, it runs for rnd 2 secs before powering down, it duznt seem like a ram issue to me, but just to be sure, cud sum 1 tell me if its the memory?

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Cud sum 1 get bk to me on this?

mine boots and oc's fine with usb keyboard, usb mouse, and GSKill 2G 6400 HX's

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well it's only 11,30pm here... :p: i should have it running in 14/16 hrs :toast:

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Damit the youth of today, what happended to hard work all night? :nono: :slapass: ;)

nice faq :)

nice work on this faq

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nice work on this faq

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Agree, now we just like a similar FAQ for the DS4 Board :)

DS4 is pretty much the same as DS3 although i think DS4 have a bit less problem than the DS3. considering DS4= upgarded version? corrrect?

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[Q] What is the problem with DS3 and D9 memories?
[A] This, and other GigaByte MBs like DS4 and DQ6 are very fastidious. They, don’t like the best DDRIIs on the market nowadays D9 are known to be Winbond for ddr2 slots memory, tight timings, high frequency. GigaByte Mobos don’t like, for sure, Good Ram nonPRO 667 mem (D9). But these are only to be bought in Poland and/or Germany. The rest is pretty likely to be working well, but look below!

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how common is this?
Just put an order on Team group with D9GMH
:sick:
my currrent OCZ Platinum pc2 6400 wont overclock squat so I thought I'd try proven overclocker....:(

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DS4 is pretty much the same as DS3 although i think DS4 have a bit less problem than the DS3. considering DS4= upgarded version? corrrect?

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At least thats what I hope for :) It has 6-phase power compared to the 3-phase of DS3, actually the board seems to have more things in common with the DQ6 than the DS3.

Havn´t seen much overclocking on it so far but what I have seen looks good: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=108937

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=108372

As there still seems to be some confusion about whether or not the DS3 overwrites the ram timings I would like to report my findings here.

I have read what Lestat wrote about the subject but to be honest I did not really understand what exactly his proof was, maybe my english is too bad.

Anyway, I have a
DS3 (F4C)
2GB Mushkin PC6400 5-5-5-15
Radeon 1900XT

The Mushkin is pretty good for the Money, being able to do CL4 at DDR800 and sometimes going up above DDR900 at 5-5-5-15.

Here is the Test:
I set VDimm to +0,3, all other Voltages remain untouched.
The FSB is set to 400MHZ
The ram is set to 2XFSB, making it run at DDR800
(the Problem only turns up when running the Ram 1:1 with the FSB, which is hard to prefent for overclocking)

So first I start with the ram timings set to auto. The System starts, but breaks down during Windows loading screen. Three times, so I give up.

I set the timings to CL6. Same outcome.
I set them to CL5, same outcome. (Tried five times now)

I set them to CL4, and the system starts. Not only does it start, it is able to run two instances of prime for 39 minutes before reporting a mistake.

I repeatet the test twice. Same outcome.

So why is it that CL4 is much more stable than CL5 and CL6? Easy, it is because CL4 is actually the lowest timing I can possibly get. Cl5 and Cl6 are reportet as CL3 by CPUZ when I start at FSB266, and it is right. CL4 is reportet as CL4 by CPUz, and it is right.

I just felt It is important to post that here as I do not want the Gigabyte engineers to get funny ideas about having a working bios when they read here:rolleyes:

There is a guy at www.forum-3dcenter.org who has the same Problem with the same Ram/Boar combination, so I consider this matter to be clear now. Let me know if I have made mistakes here, If not I would like you to try yourself (or anyone who has the Issues for that matter) and correct the Section in the Faq, as I am sure by now that this is clearly a case of overwritten data in the Bios and I would like engineers and customers to know.

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how common is this?
Just put an order on Team group with D9GMH
:sick:
my currrent OCZ Platinum pc2 6400 wont overclock squat so I thought I'd try proven overclocker....:(

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very common, sorry...

I think the dvd+rw (pioneer 111d) problem I experienced was actually the fault of bios f3 and not the drivers as I previously said.

thx
nice FAQ :toast:

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Originally Posted by Kampfflummi

So why is it that CL4 is much more stable than CL5 and CL6? Easy, it is because CL4 is actually the lowest timing I can possibly get. Cl5 and Cl6 are reportet as CL3 by CPUZ when I start at FSB266, and it is right. CL4 is reportet as CL4 by CPUz, and it is right.

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Then take a look at this. http://www.lie.id.au/pics/500fsb_3dMark.jpg

My result is with Corsair PC-5300 Value sticks. I really doubt value stick can pull off CAS 3 at 500 FSB. So the reading must be false.

Which Bios is that?

Anyone know a way to get memory frequency and fsb:dram to show up in cpuz? The last time I saw it was when I set my memory multiplier to 3:5... This is using a d805 and xm2 6400 cl5 memory

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Originally Posted by Kampfflummi

Which Bios is that?

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F3 BIOS

Ok I just testet the same with F3 and got the same results.
Also, I testet 1:1 against 4:5. At 400FSB that means DDR1000, but CPUZ reports the right timings at 4:5 so I figured it worth a try.
To make it short; DDR1000 beats DDR800 in Case of stability. Funny...

If your shots are real all I can guess is that the real ram issue on this Board is linked to certain sticks only, which should be clear by now, while the wrong showing of the Timings occurs always.

btw I am impressed your sticks do DDR1000 at all, is it stable?

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btw I am impressed your sticks do DDR1000 at all, is it stable?

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Quite stable. I'm on my second DS3 right now (the shot before was on my 1st DS3). This one is not as good as the first and doesn't seem to like "Auto" settings or the 1:1 dividers. I have to use the 4:5 dividers to achieve stability. Running in "daily use" at 408 FSB now on an e6400. RAM is at 1020 odd 5-7-7-24 2.0v.

Well...that is about the same problem I desribed, isn't it? So maybe you should test what I testet so we can be sure.

Why did you give away your old Board anyway?

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My result is with Corsair PC-5300 Value sticks. I really doubt value stick can pull off CAS 3 at 500 FSB. So the reading must be false.

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That is my opinion to. :)

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Originally Posted by davvy76

I think the dvd+rw (pioneer 111d) problem I experienced was actually the fault of bios f3 and not the drivers as I previously said.

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i need another confirmation and i'll change faq :)

Quick question, how hard is it to flash the bios on the DS3. I'm thinking of getting it and if it's going to be a pain to flash, than I will wait to make sure that a decent bios is shipped with the board. I've never actually flashed bios, so I'm not sure how hard it is.

I'm getting the same problems as Kampfflummi. There is only a problem when using the 1:1 ratio. All other ratios seem fine to me. When I use 4:5 ratio my ram is stable at ~460Mhz, when using exactly the same timings but changing the ratio to 1:1, the system won't even load windows. Something has to be wrong with the 1:1 ratio at least for some kinds of Ram. I'm using G.Skill DDR2 PC2-6400 NR Series 5-5-5-15 ram

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Quick question, how hard is it to flash the bios on the DS3. I'm thinking of getting it and if it's going to be a pain to flash, than I will wait to make sure that a decent bios is shipped with the board. I've never actually flashed bios, so I'm not sure how hard it is.

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a baby can do it ;)
windows, dos, bios (from bios special menu) flash. easy like 1,2,3... under windows it's like 4clicks on special buttons, don't worry ;)

I've got a question about this mobo and decided to post here instead of creating a thread, but I haven't found an answer.

When I boot up, the system powers on (fans begin to spin), then stalls (fans pause for 1-2 seconds, then the fans start spinning again normally and it POSTS.

Is this normal? I just installed this DS3 w/ a 6400. Using box cooler for now.

I think in the FAQ here there are some questions related to how the board will go on and off, once or many times in a row. So feel better that it's normal for various reasons for this mobo to do this. So check out the fact to find out if one of the answers about it restarting clears things up for yo.

But does your mobo post fine from then on after the initial power on?

I can't give anymore feedback because I have the ZX GSkill ram which doesn't work so my system so it powers on and off endlessly right now until my new ram that will arrive later today.

Another quick question, how hot does the NB get? Is it worth it to get aftermarket cooling for the NB? I was thinking that if I had room, I would get a thermalright HR-05.

read the faq ;[

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read the faq ;[

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Oops. I've read it at least twice but I must have missed it. Do you know of any results from people who replace the NB heatsink. Like a max OC with the stock and a max OC with the aftermarket.

no, no results, sorry
but the NB itself is so damn hot that i am thinking of putting sth there... but what can fit under ninja :| and it has to be silent... i've got a problem...
anyway it's normal that the NB is so hot that u cannot touch it

So I gues the best bios for the ds3 for the highest fsb`s possible is currently the F3 bios from Gigabyte`s webpage ?

f4c if ur mem boots at 1.8V

And why is the f4c better than f3 ? We want all to obtain the highest fsb possible , I am curious if the f4c is better for high fsb`s.

Great info!

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I've been doing some testing with my DS3/E6400, I can prime @ 3.2Ghz 400x8 1.475vcore in bios, wont bootup with any higher setting with "virtualization" technology enabled, with it disabled i can boot @ 3.3 and its pretty much stable, just wondered if anyone else had the same results???

anything over 400fsb is crap with mine with virtualization or not.

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I've been doing some testing with my DS3/E6400, I can prime @ 3.2Ghz 400x8 1.475vcore in bios, wont bootup with any higher setting with "virtualization" technology enabled, with it disabled i can boot @ 3.3 and its pretty much stable, just wondered if anyone else had the same results???

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no, no results, sorry
but the NB itself is so damn hot that i am thinking of putting sth there... but what can fit under ninja :| and it has to be silent... i've got a problem...
anyway it's normal that the NB is so hot that u cannot touch it

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http://www.frozencpu.com/vid-64.html?id=IeQ2eoum

I have that plus the Ninja mounted, just got all of my stuff today finally. Mounting the NB cooler was a little scary (haven't seen a naked NB in ages...used to a heatspreader) and I'm not even sure if my system is gonna boot, but I do have this + the Ninja. As long as it turns on I think it's a good pairing.

I noticed that the memory dividers aren't really stable. If I run at stock speeds using the 667mhz or 800mhz dividers it crashes my system. But I can run using the 1:1 divider at 333 mhz FSB, giving me the same 667mhz on the memory and everything works fine. What is going on?

So I gues F4c is the preferred DS3 BIOS right now because CPU-Z showes the information correctly with this bios. Ok

Can't get 7 x 400 = 2.8 ghz stable with an E6300 @ 1.4Vcore. I wonder if it's a crappy CPU or a crappy board. Using an Thermalright SI-120, and RAM seems to pass memtest at this speed.

changelog F3 to F4c ( download here : http://www.venomousmofo.com/XtremeSy...S3/965PDS3.F4C )

"this bios greatly improves compatibility with ram"

"PIO MODE problem is fixed with F4 bios"

" You may have to boot with 1 stick of ram to get the board to post out of the box, then flash the bios and try both sticks "

"can allow to use 2.1V ram and++"

"you need to turn off all unnecessary things in the BIOS, USB legacy, parallel ports etc"

"DMA mode is fully working" to check this : Go to device manager from system. Under IDE ATA/Atapi controller, right click on primary ide channel (maybe multiple) for properties. Should be under advanced settings tab =>transfer mode.

Lestat ""the F3 bios would reset the bios and let you boot into the bios if you overclocked too far. the F4 bios isnt letting you do that. you have to reset the bios. i dont care for that but hey they are making progress and its a beta so..."

" Due to the 4MB cache and hitting the 1066 memory strap earlier, these CPUs have not been clocking as high on the P965 boards (9x410 or so) unless you drop the mulitplier which defeats the purpose of buying one. The bios revisions are coming in hot and heavy right now"

and remember, the North Bridge get`s very warm, even @ 300 mhz fsb so cool it PROPER ;)

>> To go to the advanced settings in the bios : hit ctrl F1

Who does the bios flash in windows ?