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I just got word from the online retailer that they are temporarilly out of stock on the PA 120.3's and asked me what I would like to do. They are expecting stock by end of week.
They have Black Ice® GT Stealth 360's in stock, anyone know if they are just as good a performer? The marketing sure makes it look good! :fact:
Well, according to what creidiki heard from Radical (who is currently testing the GT against other radiators), the GTS 360 should perform on par with the Swiftech MCR320-QP...which is about $10 less expensive. So...if they have those in stock, it may be a better alternative.
Then again, you could just wait for the PA120.3 to come back in stock. :rolleyes:
Ah well... that says it all then - I'll wait :) thanks for the info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petra
Black Ice GTS 360....$59.95
ThermoChill PA120.3 $119.95
Am I missing something? o.O
Thanks creidiki I sent them an email.Quote:
Originally Posted by creidiki
There is a significant difference between both the GTS and The PA 120.3 on both efficiency and performance. Which is the reason I ran for the 120.3 in the first place.Quote:
Black Ice GTS 360....$59.95
ThermoChill PA120.3 $119.95
Am I missing something? o.O
how much diff in performance between the PA and GT or MCR ?
Rough figures with yates:
PA @ 7v = other rads @ 12v, PA @ 5v = other rads @ 7v.
I can't get those numbers, I have been looking but it looks like no one has had the time or opportunity to do a head to head comparisson. I guess I'm betting on that fact that the PA remains the indefeated low noise /high performance RAD.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaFrOuT
Radical_53 has the numbers...
thanks creidiki for the info
creidiki is some sort of mega person ive noticed
Its true, my ego is so large theyve had to invent a new branch of mathematics to define it :3
lol i wasn't talking ego i was talking WC knowledge! your the google for WC stuff!
Why would radical hog them all for himself?Quote:
Originally Posted by creidiki
Cause he hasnt finshed all the tests yet... he was still waiting on the x-flow BIGT and the BIP last I heard
And while we're waiting,just tale a look of his initial result first ;)
Now how did I manage to miss that thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by nop
Thanks for the link.
i went from a MCR220 to a PA120.3 and dropped about 2-3C off my load and idle.
yeah...some guru told me "PA is the best rad.money can buy" I followed his wise advice and very happy that I did.
(Thanks creidiki :))
And with the new paint is way more sexier... :)
So in your opinions,
List the three brands in order from the best to the wortst:
PA
MCR
BIP
BIGT
Whats the best bang for your buck?
Performance:
PA
BIGT/MCR (soon to be defined)
BIP
Best bang for the back is MCR.
Radicals initial results show MCR > BI GTS, atleast @ Low - Mid CFMQuote:
Originally Posted by JoeBar
It looks like:
PA
MCR
BI GTS
I want to know where the ProIII lands.
I've talked to radical a few days ago and still the PA is the best rad around. The performance especially with low rpms is incredible. I'm going to get one myself.
That is true, but the price to performance ratio is twice as good on the Swiftech, and maybe even the Black Ice series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shakermaker
Again though, the bottom line is, if you have the money, you'd be best off with the thermochill.
well, thats true for everything in wc isnt it?
you can have an adequate loop with an apogee, an eheim 1046 and a bip, but if you can afford a storm, ddc-ultra and pa then you'll be better off :)
Just listen to creidiki.
If you had to choose, which would you buy.Quote:
Originally Posted by creidiki
A: DDC Ultra + MCR 320
B: MCP 655 + PA120.3
PA + D5 tbh, changing pumps is easy but changing rads is a major PITA because theres like 5 different fan spacings - IIRC BIP/BIX/MCR are the same but BIGT is narrower and PA is certainly wider than all others.
Lets say you were building from scratch, would the extra heat dissapation from the PA outweigh the heatdump of the MCA665, as opposed to a sligtly worse performing rad but with the cooler and quieter DDC-U ?
i would go with the D5 + PA
That depends a lot on what blocks you have in your system, tbh. And it also depends on how fast you plan to run the fans - w. YLs 5v, the PA + D5 will almost certainly win in temps vs. another rad with fans @ same speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzzy_3D
There is also more factors to choosing a PA or not than the price, most notably the fact that theyre HUGE - at 60mm thick + gasket + 25/38mm for the fans and 25mm between the fan screws, its a struggle fitting them anywhere. Ive used petrol-powered microbikes that pack into spaces smaller than a 120.3 + fans.
The ideal solution would be to take a PA and a DDC-Pro and be done with it... Pro gives ~10ft head which is really more than enough for a Storm/MP-05 + 2x Maze 4 loop on a PA120.3.
Going from Pro to Ultra is like going from Porsche 911 to a to a 911 GT3... there's a lot of "every last 0.5c" maniacs here, me included, so I end up recommending the Ultra a lot, but if youre going to spend 50$ more to go for a PA so you can undervolt your fans more - remember diff @ 12v is like 1c - you mise well 15$ on top of a D5/50Z and get the quietest good pump around.
I can't think of any others... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by creidiki