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08-22-2005, 03:09 PM
Lestat

SE my benchmark issue wasnt addressed at memory timings it was address at something MSI MAY HAVE changed with the AGP. again its a guess cuz ill swear i benched yesterday with the new graphics driver and i got around my usual 5700 in 05 and today i get 4700 and the only thing i changed was the bios.

now another thing that ahppened video wise is 3dmark is showing alot of skipping. or studdering. where as before it never did it.

I got no problem uninstalling the driver and going back to the one i had prior to this to test. Im just busy with my new toy right now :) :) :)

http://gateway.com/products/GConfig/...=m680xl&seg=hm
08-22-2005, 03:31 PM
Ares323

Hello again,

I just flashed to 1A oficial bios, all good at default settings but :mad: my system is stable with 1.8 oficial at 2.7 Ghz @ 10x270, Ram 2.5-3-3-7 and it goes to 2.8 Ghz CPu:RAM 1:1 perfectly stable @1.5 volts and max frequency is 2.95 Ghz @1.7 volts. With this 1A bios I cant get to post if I overclock to 10X270, not even at 10x250, lower I didn`t tried.
Funny thing is that if I boot at 12x200, 3x and 2.5-3-3-7, I can raise with clockgen to 2.9 Ghz @ 1,65 volts so I tried to relax my MEM timmings to 3-4-4-8 and boot at 270x10, 3x but that was a no go :( , my system cant get over post, my monitor led goes red and it stays that way until I reset CMOS.

My components are : Venice 3800+. Adata DDR600, Asetek Waterchill Antarctica, OCZ PowerStream 520 in a Stacker case.
08-22-2005, 03:54 PM
sideeffect

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2virgule5

Just had a try of last sideffect modded bios : 150 option is not listed (only 100, 133, 166, 183 and 200), but 183 option did work well, I'm now running my X2-4200+ at 240 x 11, RAM is at 203.1 Mhz. I'll try higher HTT @ x10 later. CPU voltage (as read in bios and with CPU-Z) dropped by 0.05 to 0.1 v when I select 1.55 vcore +10% (it is at 1.55, was about 1.6 to 1.63 with 1.A3 with the same settings).

Another good news : it also seems that the cold bug disappeared, as I now can cold boot without problem at those settings (I had to reset CMOS at those with crappy 1.9 and 1.Ax).

Thanks for the work !

Yep because i have vapochill too i fixed the cold bug issue for myself and others. The other modded bios files even though they remove the settings for showing temp in the modbin they dont actually disable the bios from getting the temps. I disabled the bios from even trying to get them so its solved that issue nicely.

The 150 divider doesnt show because i cant add text in there. But it is selectable still. Just click enter in the memory divider screen and you will see a blank option in between the 133 and 166 dividers. Select that and the 150 divider works.

I have made a revision 2 of my bios. Im very sorry but i couldnt change Write to read delay default in this revision. The hacked code doesnt work for this setting. NFM also had this issue I will contact the maker of the code and see if the variable is wrong.

I did however force
- Max Async = 8
- Read Write Queue bypass = 16
- Bypass max = 7
in all dividers. I've left revision 1 on site to for those that dont want these memory tweaks.

Edit - removed rev 2 for the time being because i have actually forced a write to read time but its set the variable to 1 instead of 2. Will fix this issue and repost bios.
08-22-2005, 04:22 PM
Sonic9

Great work SideEffect ! I don't know why MSI has professionnals developpers, nowadays the final client must program his motherboard's bios :(

@LeStat: Studdering ? hmmm, What nvidia's drivers use ? (video & gart too, plz), have you tested FEAR's demo ? It's the only game where the lags appears fastest for me ...

For Idle Cycles, I follow guides to o/c my ram on a friend's dfi's board and I havn't all tested (not enough time), but I know my sticks run @ 290mhz DC/Sync/2.5/4/3/8 - 16x/7x/8ns/256clks/5/5ns (not tested rock stable but windows boot, mini occt/streeprime okay ...)

Goodbye. I flash my motherboard again :)

edit: I wait you SE ;)
08-22-2005, 04:43 PM
Ares323

I flashed 1A rev 2 and my system died :), won`t boot at default . I went back to 1.8 official. To bad that I can`t get an official Venice bios to work with this crappy board, this board days are numbered for sure, I have enough of it.
08-22-2005, 05:01 PM
Sonic9

I have tested rev1 (waiting rev2 fixed timings) ... 183 divider works okay ... I will happy for that too :) :) :) :
- Cleaned interface (some settings hidden due to unnecassery ...)
- Logos disabled & Fullscreen too
- Disabled LAN & FireWire ...
- SMART Enabled
- HTT 3x

You can Disabled Port COM no ? Parrallel no ? What you opinion about that ? (I'm order my customized bios lol)

Now just wait for really Quick Boot (no long ram tester ...)

Argh, it's 01h00 AM here ... and my hollydays are at the end ... grrr ...

Goodbye & Good night.
08-22-2005, 05:09 PM
Xyus89

Hiya,

Whenever I try 250 divider is doesn't work at all.. anything above 200 doesn't work.
in cpu-z it says it's says that my ram is running at 150mhz when I use 250 divider :s

another thing, the temp sensors on the board.
yesterday it reported 41 stressed with toast and 28 idle
today it reports 34stressd and 28 idle.
I've been Priming/burning in my cpu allot so has it taken effect or is there something wrong with the temp sensors?

and whenever I hit 300 HTT in windows it instantly freezes/reboots :( I think HT frequency (instead of 3x , 2x)

xyus
08-22-2005, 05:22 PM
sideeffect

Ok rev 2 is fixed and up and up for download. It modifies a few memory timings from default settings to allow higher boot speeds.

Ares323 the version you got of revision 2 had a write to read time that didnt set properly and forced it to be tighter. The bios booted fine on my pc so i didnt notice it at first. It could have caused your no boot. Sorry if it did.

The new rev2 is fully tested. Download rev1 if you dont want modified ram timings.

dividers above 200 dont work, they havent worked in any bios they have been in thats why i removed them from my bios.

Yes i can disable anything from showing in bios. Yes i also set firewire and lan off by default sry if that bothers you it can be enabled easy enough. Was kind of modding my ideal bios why i was doing this so your lucky sata isnt disabled by default :p:

Ill disable parallel port by default in m next revision but i use the serial port for my vapochill so that stays. Ill add lan back to auto in next revision to because it makes sence to have that on most people use a lan socket. Wasnt really thinking there.
08-22-2005, 05:25 PM
msimax

hey sideeffect does ur bios support dual core chips as i just brought a x2 3800 and some gskill bh5
08-22-2005, 05:30 PM
sideeffect

Its based on 1.A official so yes it should support dual core cpus no problem or lots of problems depending on how well msi added the support :p:
08-22-2005, 05:41 PM
Ares323

Quote:

Originally Posted by sideeffect

Ok rev 2 is fixed and up and up for download. It modifies a few memory timings from default settings to allow higher boot speeds.

Ares323 the version you got of revision 2 had a write to read time that didnt set properly and forced it to be tighter. The bios booted fine on my pc so i didnt notice it at first. It could have caused your no boot. Sorry if it did.

The new rev2 is fully tested. Download rev1 if you dont want modified ram timings.

.

I am mad like hell, I just cant understand why with 1.8 official I can overclock and starting with 1.9 official and all the beta`s and modded bioses, also with 1A official I can`t overclock my system , I have reinstaled my OS, I gave up the Raid 0 and went to a straight setup on Sata Drive, nothing has changed.
08-22-2005, 05:45 PM
msimax

also i was playing around with my ga-k8ns when i went to reboot it let up like a roman candle i stood there in amazement all i had was my booster hooked up bu i want to know what does this area control. this was a refurb only 56 bucks but i was having a good time. got my bh5 to 275 all stable :) so i want to playwith it again

[IMG]http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/8340/imga00305od.jpg[/IMG]
08-22-2005, 05:47 PM
msimax

[IMG]http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/4316/imga00283fs.jpg[/IMG]
08-22-2005, 05:48 PM
sideeffect

Ares323 Post all your hardware specifications in here and maybe someone can help you.

msimax you do realise this isnt the Gigabyte forum dont you? :p:
08-22-2005, 05:52 PM
ElAguila

It does support dual core. I am running one. I just flashed and I am testing the 150 divider and it is purring like a kitten. The bios looks less cluttered now. You did a great job with it. If you decide to make any other changes I have a non-priority request. It would be nice if the sata1 and 2 were disabled by default as you have to use 3 and 4 when oc'ing. Thanks for the time and effort you put into this.
08-22-2005, 05:56 PM
Ares323

MSI Neo2 Platinum 54g
Venice 3800+
1 Gb Adata DDR600
Sapphire X800Xt PE
2X Maxtor 120 GB Sata on Sata 3&4
WD 400JB on IDE 1
Pioneer 108D
Yamaha CRW f1E
SBlive
3COM ethernet card
Asetek Waterchill Antarctica CPU and VGA.
PSU OCZ PowerStream 520
CoolerMaster Stacker case.

I guess that`s all.
08-22-2005, 06:10 PM
sideeffect

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ares323

MSI Neo2 Platinum 54g
Venice 3800+
1 Gb Adata DDR600
Sapphire X800Xt PE
2X Maxtor 120 GB Sata on Sata 3&4
WD 400JB on IDE 1
Pioneer 108D
Yamaha CRW f1E
SBlive
3COM ethernet card
Asetek Waterchill Antarctica CPU and VGA.
PSU OCZ PowerStream 520
CoolerMaster Stacker case.

I guess that`s all.

Ok i have a suggestion from reading the german forum and seeing peoples issues with the newer bios files. I havnt personally experianced this problem but ive heard it can happen and it may be affecting you.

Flash to the 1.A official bios but dont restart pc turn it off. Then pull out the psu cable. Move the pin to clear the cmos pull out all the IDE cables and power cables to the drives. Put the pin back in place for the cmos plug power cable back in and start pc.

It should boot the bios then. Turn off the things you dont use but leave cpu ram settings at default for the moment. save changes then turn pc off again reconect the ide cables and power plugs to the drives and start pc again.

Hopefully it will boot again. Then try and overclock.

If that doesnt work i suggest trial and error with your pci cards remove the network card and the soundcard and see what happens. Maybe you will have to use different slots. The irq for all the slots has changed in the newer bios.

If you can get to windows look in system information to see if any of the irqs are sharing a slot with another device. Sharing irqs can make some devices not work properly.
08-22-2005, 06:17 PM
ElAguila

I don't know if this is possible or not but if you have a chance sideeffect could you look and see if Refresh Rate(Tref) is a setting that can be unhidden? I can set it manually usign A64 Tweaker but it would be nice if it could be set in the bios.
08-22-2005, 06:27 PM
sideeffect

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElAguila

I don't know if this is possible or not but if you have a chance sideeffect could you look and see if Refresh Rate(Tref) is a setting that can be unhidden? I can set it manually usign A64 Tweaker but it would be nice if it could be set in the bios.

It cant be unhiden im afraid not yet. Hopefully MSI will add it in the next bios.

The settings that dont show in the memory options in the bios arent actually hidden they arent even in the bios code. I cant add code in there so it just uses defaults.

The exception to this is max async and read preamble they are in the bios code with all the variables and im working on a way to add them into the bios menu.

I can force Tref values the same way i forced async and bypass max. The problem is different values work better for different people in different dividers. I think its best to leave it alone for now on the bios level.
08-22-2005, 06:34 PM
ElAguila

Thanks for looking. I noticed that when I use the 150 divider and then start a64 tweaker it shows the tref as 133 3.9us. I set it back to 200 3.9us. I tried using the a64 tweaker to set the setting at startup but when I do that it sets it to 100 3.9us
08-22-2005, 06:41 PM
msimax

i just wanted to know if anyone knew what part of the board it affected or what could have caused it
08-22-2005, 08:04 PM
sideeffect

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElAguila

Thanks for looking. I noticed that when I use the 150 divider and then start a64 tweaker it shows the tref as 133 3.9us. I set it back to 200 3.9us. I tried using the a64 tweaker to set the setting at startup but when I do that it sets it to 100 3.9us

133 should be looser than 200 and maybe more stable. Its actually not 3.9 us its 7.8 us athlon 64 tweaker reads that value wrongly. You cant actually set 3.9us. Setting 1.95 and 3.9 defaults to 7.8 setting 7.8us defaults to 15.6us.
08-23-2005, 07:41 AM
ElAguila

With the 150 divider working I can get my system at 293x9 with the memory running at 220ht 2.5-3-3-9@1t which isn't bad for 2x1024 sticks. I need to wait for my other heatsink though to keep it at that speed.
08-23-2005, 04:07 PM
sideeffect

Thats a nice overclock ElAguila. Im really quite happy with this 1.A bios i think i might keep it. Running at 270 x 11 with a 183 divider atm with tight memory timings.

Its almost identical performance to 300 x 10 with 166 divider. I lose 20 mhz of ram speed but with 2.5-2-2-8 instead of 2.5-3-3-8 i get same bandwidth in sisoft sandra and same pifast scores :)

7200 mb/s sisoft
08-23-2005, 04:16 PM
ElAguila

My heatsink is fubarred right now for some reason. I am waiting for my scythe ninja to come in. It should be here by Thursday. If I can keep a handle on the heat, I have had this cpu running at 2.75ghz before.

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