Kepler Nvidia GeForce GTX 780

Printable View

Show 100 post(s) from this thread on one page

03-23-2012, 12:46 AM
Kristoferr

450$ 7970 will be enought to make it attractive. Thats for sure. 400$ would be insane.
03-23-2012, 12:58 AM
wez

As usual, shops are making a few extra bucks ^^

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...cis/gtx680.png
03-23-2012, 01:38 AM
FISKER_Q

Quote:

Originally Posted by wez

As usual, shops are making a few extra bucks ^^

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...cis/gtx680.png

Wow, and i thought they were crazy over here, some webshop was trying to sell a Gainward GTX 680 for 730€, even long after all the other shops were selling it at aruond 500€
03-23-2012, 01:40 AM
paulbagz

Yeah min price $700AUD here :(

Keen for GTX 685 however.

-PB
03-23-2012, 04:05 AM
aussie-revhead

I couldnt help myself..... P10694 best so far.

:up:
03-23-2012, 04:21 AM
Kondik

GIGABYTE GTX 680 2GB - $600 or 450Euros.

Quite reasonable
03-23-2012, 05:06 AM
Handrox

Quote:

Originally Posted by wez

As usual, shops are making a few extra bucks ^^

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...cis/gtx680.png

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg837...jpg&res=medium

Here in Spain, are more costly and we have no availability .... ....
03-23-2012, 05:27 AM
Kristoferr

http://skinflint.co.uk/eu/?cat=gra16...GTX+680#xf_top

For EU buyers.

Cheapest option is MSI from 455€ (tax included) + shipping.
03-23-2012, 07:36 AM
SKYMTL

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordEC911

Did you see the GTX680 frequency constantly moving in your tests?
There are reports that it can drop under the base clock during certain situations. I heard about this a few weeks back, maybe the newer drivers fixed this.

Where are these "reports"? I've never seen anything to indicate a game will lower the base clock and I had the clock speed monitor running through every benchmark I did.

As for the clock frequency, yes it does constantly move as the resources within the GPU shift however, most games "lock in" at a standard clock speed. Case and point, Dirt 3:

http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/im...TX-680-121.gif

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxleitnerb

I'm a bit confused about the turbo+OC

Hardwarecanucks and techpowerup both write that the OC offset leads to increased turbo headroom and activity and that the (guaranteed?) base clock cannot be increased. This would mean that depending on the circumstances you won't necessarily get the most from a given OC (i.e. 15% OC equals 15% performance increase).

However, the advertising slide for this feature shifts the whole curve further up, including the working point "base clock" and the subsequent turbo frequencies. That seems to imply that the new base clock=old base clock +offset is guaranteed. In some reviews OC gives proportionable performance benefits even in very demanding games, in some it does not.

Now what is the deal with that?

All right, this is a bit of a complicated answer so I will try to make it as short as possible.

First of all, increasing the offset WILL NOT guarantee that the GPU Boost will increase clock speeds to that level all the time. It will only do so when there is ample TDP / Power headroom which as we have been discussing is largely based off of the usage characteristics of every game / benchmark. A good example of this is Vince's 1800MHz overclock. If you look carefully at the Clock Speed, there are several instances where the GPU throttles down to drastically lower frequencies as it hits a power capacity wall.

This is why increasing the Power Target is so important; it basically gives you additional overhead to work with. However, the Power Target can only get you so far.

I'll give you and example:

Say you increase the Offset by 150MHz.

This means that games that normally Boosted to 1150MHZ would now be running at 1300MHz and games that ran at 1058MHz would essentially run at 1208MHz, hence the linear offset NVIDIA showed in their presentation slides.

HOWEVER, it will only increase clock to those levels if there is extra overhead for it to go above the default TDP. Hence why you need to increase the Power Target.

Without increasing the Power Target, there is a very good chance your Offset clock won't translate into actual in-game overclocks.

This is also why increasing ONLY the Power Target can lead to higher performance. Here's why:

Typically, the GPU will dynamically boost its clock speeds to stay as close to the default TDP ceiling as possible. Now what happens if you INCREASE the level of that ceiling? Well, the clock speeds have that much more headroom. I have seen situations where raising the Power Target to 120% will increase some in-game frequencies by 7-10%.

Hope that helps. :)
03-23-2012, 08:10 AM
LordEC911

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKYMTL

Where are these "reports"? I've never seen anything to indicate a game will lower the base clock and I had the clock speed monitor running through every benchmark I did.

There was mention of it in one review, not able to recall which one since they all seem to blur together.

The other came from certain individuals having a little early fun.
03-23-2012, 09:10 AM
RPGWiZaRD

Quote:

Originally Posted by wez

As usual, shops are making a few extra bucks ^^

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...cis/gtx680.png

Hah and I even recognised this shop based on that layout. xD If you check my location it makes sense. :) The other cards are more reasonably priced, a bit high but no higher than the typical finnish pricing. However this one's different cuz it's in stock though... talk about price gauging haha.
03-23-2012, 09:36 AM
boxleitnerb

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKYMTL

Where are these "reports"? I've never seen anything to indicate a game will lower the base clock and I had the clock speed monitor running through every benchmark I did.

As for the clock frequency, yes it does constantly move as the resources within the GPU shift however, most games "lock in" at a standard clock speed. Case and point, Dirt 3:

http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/im...TX-680-121.gif

All right, this is a bit of a complicated answer so I will try to make it as short as possible.

First of all, increasing the offset WILL NOT guarantee that the GPU Boost will increase clock speeds to that level all the time. It will only do so when there is ample TDP / Power headroom which as we have been discussing is largely based off of the usage characteristics of every game / benchmark. A good example of this is Vince's 1800MHz overclock. If you look carefully at the Clock Speed, there are several instances where the GPU throttles down to drastically lower frequencies as it hits a power capacity wall.

This is why increasing the Power Target is so important; it basically gives you additional overhead to work with. However, the Power Target can only get you so far.

I'll give you and example:

Say you increase the Offset by 150MHz.

This means that games that normally Boosted to 1150MHZ would now be running at 1300MHz and games that ran at 1058MHz would essentially run at 1208MHz, hence the linear offset NVIDIA showed in their presentation slides.

HOWEVER, it will only increase clock to those levels if there is extra overhead for it to go above the default TDP. Hence why you need to increase the Power Target.

Without increasing the Power Target, there is a very good chance your Offset clock won't translate into actual in-game overclocks.

This is also why increasing ONLY the Power Target can lead to higher performance. Here's why:

Typically, the GPU will dynamically boost its clock speeds to stay as close to the default TDP ceiling as possible. Now what happens if you INCREASE the level of that ceiling? Well, the clock speeds have that much more headroom. I have seen situations where raising the Power Target to 120% will increase some in-game frequencies by 7-10%.

Hope that helps. :)

Thanks for your answer :)
What about the minimum guaranteed clock, though? Is that raised as well?
03-23-2012, 09:40 AM
SKYMTL

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxleitnerb

Thanks for your answer :)
What about the minimum guaranteed clock, though? Is that raised as well?

You mean the default clock of 1006MHz? No.
03-23-2012, 10:06 AM
mdzcpa

Yikes! Check this out!

GeForce GTX 680 Release Driver Limits PCI-Express to Gen 2.0 on X79/SNB-E Systems

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/new...ci-e_20_speeds

If this is true, then Nvidia = FAIL on this launch
03-23-2012, 10:11 AM
kaktus1907

301.10 fixes that.. also there is a registry fix for 300.99..

http://www.4gamer.net/games/022/G002210/20120323002/

nonetheless i'm disappointed by GTX680, esp because of GPUBoost.. you cant disable it and it is enough to make me never gonna buy any nvidia card unless someone manages to hack this :banana::banana::banana::banana:.. after 4 years break hello to red team again..
03-23-2012, 10:12 AM
AliG

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdzcpa

Yikes! Check this out!

GeForce GTX 680 Release Driver Limits PCI-Express to Gen 2.0 on X79/SNB-E Systems

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/new...ci-e_20_speeds

If this is true, then Nvidia = FAIL on this launch

I mean... who cares? As I recall, x8 x8 SLI has been proven to have the same performance as x16 x16 SLI. So effectively that means that being restricted to pci_e 2.0 really shouldn't do much of anything
03-23-2012, 10:15 AM
Manicdan

well we all know that pcie3 only helps cards with 3GB of memory or more
/sarcasm

this affects only a few people, but it would be nice if they fix it and then we can see how much perf was lost on ivybridge systems. chances are its 5% or less.
03-23-2012, 10:22 AM
SKYMTL

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaktus1907

nonetheless i'm disappointed by GTX680, esp because of GPUBoost.. you cant disable it and it is enough to make me never gonna buy any nvidia card unless someone manages to hack this :banana::banana::banana::banana:.. after 4 years break hello to red team again..

And what's wrong with GPU Boost exactly? Sounds like you have a few misconceptions about it and I'd love to hear about them. :)
03-23-2012, 10:54 AM
kaktus1907

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKYMTL

And what's wrong with GPU Boost exactly? Sounds like you have a few misconceptions about it and I'd love to hear about them. :)

everything was nice and dandy until learnt there is no way to disable.. i want full control over my card.. you are stucked at what vendor decided for your card, even the old way was similar at the end, it still feels like there was more freedom.. for starter they should have give me at least +60% power, not +32%.. afaik there is no chance to undervolt too..
03-23-2012, 10:56 AM
SKYMTL

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaktus1907

301.10 fixes that.. also there is a registry fix for 300.99..

Link to registry fix??
03-23-2012, 10:56 AM
mdzcpa

Quote:

Originally Posted by AliG

I mean... who cares? As I recall, x8 x8 SLI has been proven to have the same performance as x16 x16 SLI. So effectively that means that being restricted to pci_e 2.0 really shouldn't do much of anything

Try X8 X8 X8 (X8) Tri or Quad Fire multi monitor set ups along with some SSDs in RAID and you'll soon see the difference. I understand that its only 2% of the users. And I understand that it might not be huge differences at this point. But if the lame ass driver support team at AMD can figure out SB-E support, Nvidia should have. It is simply sloppy and does not inspire confidence when the new High End card cannot run full speed on the current High End platform at launch. I'm not a fanboy of any brand camp so I find stuff like this disappointing and don't make excuses for it. Its not the end of the world stuff...just disappointing.
03-23-2012, 11:05 AM
SKYMTL

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaktus1907

everything was nice and dandy until learnt there is no way to disable.. i want full control over my card.. you are stucked at what vendor decided for your card, even the old way was similar at the end, it still feels like there was more freedom.. for starter they should have give me at least +60% power, not +32%.. afaik there is no chance to undervolt too..

AMD doesn't give you full control either. You can't disable PowerTune....
03-23-2012, 11:06 AM
Kuroimaho

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russian

Ironically, its not in Russian. Its in English. Bright Side of News* is where you can find it. I'd give you a pre-emptive link but nobody can confirm if its actually keeping our review from the public :)

Thanks for the interest, its only 11 pages ;) I just cover a lot.

I frequent your site, visit it a few times a day, you guys made an impressive site. Good to know more of the big guns who participate in our community.

I read the review, you did a pretty good job and the follow up article was quite a good read too. Read the Hardwarecanucks review as well, Sky delivered as usual and I liked his conclusion, was curious about the patched shogun 2 results as that's the only game I play these days.

I didn't even have to take a look at the [H] FPS graphs after those reviews, it was quite obvious the 680 is the card to get. I expected to be reading reviews for hours and didn't even look at anand, or guru3D the picture was clear, NV won on all fronts.

Really good to see NV made a turnaround and delivered this efficient, silent, small and still the fastest card ever.

I am glad I have been waiting what to get and boy it did worth the wait.
03-23-2012, 11:15 AM
Andrea deluxe

just arrived---

great driver
low temperature and noise
great performance

http://www.hwmaster.com/forum/T-Thre...79270#pid79270

i am really happy now!
03-23-2012, 11:18 AM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrea deluxe

just arrived---

great driver
low temperature and noise
great performance

http://www.hwmaster.com/forum/T-Thre...79270#pid79270

i am really happy now!

Nice, grats!!! Good pictures too :D.

(chants Monday! MONDAY! MONDAY!)

Show 100 post(s) from this thread on one page