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so far they are saying its no different from 1.a3
Quickboot still does not work properly, which means it still counts memory.
Deactivating IDE channels does not work, one guy deactivated unused IDE channels went back in and they were active again.
other than that have to wait longer to see what they say.
i for one dont see this as being anything more than a redone. refuxor'd 1.9 maybe good for X2's but only for certain people.
If I'm still on the older BIOSes with a Venice do I have anything to gain by switching to these new (seemingly unstable) ones?
yes instability.
INstability lol
hey nweibley
im using the 1.36 Rev 4 modded bios and its working great. i was using the 1.8 rev 3 and it worked good but for ME atleast the 1.36 works better. slightly better not a huge amount but it is giving metter ram speeds and cpu speeds. meaning clocking higher.
What BIOS? and are u having problems?Quote:
Originally Posted by nweibley
1.9 and 1.Ax, the newer bios, don't seems to work better than the old ones..Quote:
Originally Posted by nweibley
although for the past week i have been running 1.9mod official and 1.A3 the last 2 days.. i didn't notice any problems so far.
Has anyone managed ~230mhz on the memory with tight timings while using a divider? I picked up some value VX and a booster, and even 200mhz at 2-2-2-5 fails when using a divider (both 133 and 166), yet I can go to 230 1:1. I'm currently using 1.8rev3 bios.
Perhaps I should have gone with some tcc5/tccd. :(
Edit: After more testing, memtest works without errors at 230 1:1 2-2-2-10 and I can boot into windows, however, I can't even run SuperPI at 200 1:1 with 2-2-2-10. Any ideas?
more voltage?
Does any bios report accurate temps. for Venice?
Hey sideeffect
dude i have a very similar combo, as in the rams and board is same, only im on a 3500+ venice
could u give me details of ur settings and bios, the default bios wnt even boot 220 FSB :(
im on crucial ballistix PC4000, any help would be appreciated, i need a bios recomendation?
also should i stick to 2T or move to 1T?
and could some 1 tell me the default volts for a venice 3500+
Thank You all
ali
Default Vcore should fall between 1.36 and 1.38 volts.Quote:
Originally Posted by desolator
and do NOT run 2T your performance will suck balls. since you have pc4000 you should be able to run 250mhz at whatever the ram says is defulat cas timings and volts. i dont recall if ballistix is old bh5 or new tccd.
if iot fails then drop your cpu multiplier down and down so that the cpu stays at stock.
you more than likely either got bad ram or a bad overclocking cpu.
do some testing to find out which one it is.
right now i have my mushkin redline pc4000 BH-5 running just fine 260 2-2-2-5
i am also noticing that the system doesnt like a memory divider for whatever reason.
dont forget that the value vX requires lots of juice. even though your running on a divider it shouldnt need extra volts BUT! ask in the OCZ section this is the wrong place. i think the ram rejects it.. i dont think they like dividers but i could be wrong.
my redline is goofy i havent come close to figuring it out.
Hi desolator what type of Ballistix are they cause it makes a difference. Look at the packaging if it ends in 503 then they are rated cas 3 at ddr500. If it ends in 505 they are rated at cas 2.5 at ddr500.Quote:
Originally Posted by desolator
I have tried both and they are the hardest ram ever to get stable on the neo 2 in my opinion. Totally illogical ram.
The 503 will be single sided if they are 512mb sticks. The 505 will be double sided.
503 sticks wont do cas 2.5 at anything decent but will do cas 3 up to the 270 mhz range. 1T or 2T makes no difference. Use 1.8 rev 3 bios. set cas 3 trp 3 trcd 3 tras 8 in bios. Set 1:1 and set voltage at 2.7 volts. Set 250 HTT and 3x HTT multi and they should boot.
505 sticks set cas 2.5 trp 3 trcd 3 tras 8 2.7 volts, 250 htt 1:1.
The neo 2 overvolts the ram and the ballistix dont really like voltage so 2.65 volts or 2.7 is the best bet.
Ballistix dont really like any of the dividers except 183 so try and stick to 1:1 if possible.
503 sticks clock better for mhz got mine up to 273mhz @ 2.65 volts. They only work in cas 3 though.
505 sticks limit at about 260mhz but at 2.5. Cas 3 doesnt help.
Since 3.3v rail = vdimm mod is soldered to the cap does that stabilise the voltage or does it stay the same as 3.3 rail, mine fluctuates over .1v under load so wouldnt really like my vdimm to act like that. Unfortinatly im not sure how good my booster is also since i tested it long time ago on a abit AN7 and it was fluctuating over .2v witch is even worse, so im stuck dont know what to do before i stick everything in the case. I guess ill end up soldering a wire to the measuring point and seeing what is more stable.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sideeffect
lestat what can u tell me about this that the mobo doesnt like the rails being changed? and what are u running with the BH5 booster or mod?
Spread Spectrum disabled
htt multi lowered to 3x
Multi's tried 8x-11x
vcore tried: 1.38-1.47
vdimm: 2.7/2.65
Bios Upgraded to 1.9 (latest)
ram tried in all 4 slots
still no boot above 215 fsb :(
btw there is this thing in dram config called
maxmemclock which was 200 by default, i figured tht was holding me back so i upped tht to 250, still no diff :S, any 1 got more details on max memclock?
some 1 help me :(
well
1)
if you had read even the last page and a 1/2 of this forum you'd know that 1.9 is crap
2)
you'd also know that 250mhz does absolutely nothing but drop your memory down to 100mhz
3)
you sound as if you have a long road ahead of you for learning about these systems and what it takes ot overclock it.
You cant just raise the fsb and expect things to work. or raise the vdimm and vcore a :banana::banana::banana::banana:hair.
how about you start out by actually listing what your hardware is so we inturn know what directions to give you.
you need to go to the overclocking section also, those guys there are gunna be the ones who will be able to help you, this section is specific to the NEO2 board.
your issue is, and im sorry, a lack of knowledge.
again i didnt mena to ofend you, sometimes i just dont have the mentallity to sit and write out a novel for you to read where i try and show you every little step that you need to learn in order to overclock your system properly.
k ? dont be offended.
L
with 1.9bios the board will fail to boot with out of spec rails (3.3v, 5v, 12v). with 1.8 or below bioses its fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Millyons
thanks TMM.
Does someone know does vdimm become just like 3.3 rail or is it more stable since the rail is soldered to the capacitor, does that stabilize it or is there same fulctuations on the vdimm as on the 3.3 rail
thanks
Millyons -
There will ALWAYS be fluctuations in the vcore and vdimm. the only way around it is to do a hardware mod with really good voltage regulators installed.
normally people will get a .01 all the way up to .1 fluctuations.
.1 is bad,,, this will definately cause lockups and reboots.
I am running with the DDR Booster
i have the OCZ Powerstream 600watt and if i raise my 12v 3.3v or 5v rails out of spec. then the system ,, or rahter the bios goes pfpfpfpfpf and no boot.
right now i may try the 1.a3b4 as i need to experiement with the boot sequencer.
i have a Promise TX2 IDE controller. If i hook one of the drives up to it the system will not boot to anything, only the memtest floppy,,
A dos floppy wont boot, linux wont boot ( Grub WILL LOAD, but thats all, which makes it even more goofy, like very very goofy), Windows wont boot, Windows CdRom wont boot. for some reason only the memtest86 floppy will boot.
But once i disconnected my Raptor hooked to SATA 3, and the hard drive connected to the Promise controller it booted fine.
I should have done one at a time but i was getting angry cuz i was afraid i would never boot to anything like the romchip was toast.
err sorry sir :$
oh well, never too late to start, and btw this is only my second system tht id be OCing, first was an intel tht i OCed totally with a friends help so expec me to be majorly n00bissh
ok so my specs:
Amd 3500+ VENICE week 19
MSI K8N NEO2
Leadtek 6200 128mb 128bit (unlcokable pipes)
crappy generic 40 watt psu, 16a on the 12v rail, 25A on both 3,3 and 5V
200GB seagate IDE
and air cooled case, with stock amd hsf for now
and the reason i dint get 1.9 is, tht i don have a formatted floppy ryte now with me, so i cnt do the bootable floppy trick, instead i just used live update for windows, and i dint get an option to install 1.8 tht way
ill try n read up more on the OC section,
so please, help me, enlighten me
thanx ali
ok
1)
you will never do anything with a psu like that so forget everything until you can afford a psu. MINIMUM 25v on the 12v rail.
Go to Newegg and grab a Zippy/Emacs PSU they are very generic looking but underthe hood is ohh so very much NOT generic,
2)
you need to list your ram.
3)
the cpu only supports up to 1.45v so set that and then use the 3.3% over VID.
3a)
you should be able to overclock the CPU up to and past 2.5ghz with only 1.4-1.45v
this is normal pretty much all venice chips can do it.
4)
If you have tccd based ram then you can overclock with 2.6 or 2.7 or 2.8v on the ram, up to 250mhz or higher 2.5-3-3-10 set the mem freguency at 200. not 166 or 133 or anything else.
5)
turn off spread spectrum
turn off aggressive timing
turn off ATI.Nvidia speedup
your really not gunna be able to do much with a yucky psu like that. i really dont recommend doing anything but running stock speeds until you can upgrade that.
what type and kind of ram do you have and what sizes, 256 ? 512 ? does it have chips on 1 side or both sides of each stick ?
what slots do you have them in you want them in the 2 slots closest to the cpu aka slots 0 and 1.
start there, let us know the ram and gog et a better psu tomorrow is you have a good pc shop in town and can afford it.
:D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
err sorry fornot mentoning the rams
i got Crucial Ballistix Tracer PC4000, i knw they aint great, but were the only 1s avilable locally, and i should also let u knw i do not reside in the us rather in Pakistan, thts why im on a crappy generic PSU, the only branded 1s here are antec which are ripoffs. Like $170 for a 550 watt and $120 for 480 watts :S
im ok with keeping it at stock for now, id be upgrading psu within nxt week hopefully, and also i was wondering is there anyway to update this boards bios thru windows, as in the odler versions.
and thnx for all the help lestat
yes you can download an duse Winflash.
ive only used it once long ago so i cant remember how to do it.. maybe one of the other guys can help ya.
you could always have an american or euro friend buy one and you pay him and ship it to you.. that would be cheaper maybe.