I'm just gonna put this little bit out there.
There is more than 1 way to skin a cat.
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I'm just gonna put this little bit out there.
There is more than 1 way to skin a cat.
:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
..maybe you re saying that there is not only 1 way to valuate "performance" ? :rolleyes:
or maybe you re saying that this architecture will work in a different way, so it is useless comparing that using the "old" cpu architecture functioning? :rolleyes:
sorry for my bad english and sorry if Im saying stupid things but I just want to know more about your "ambiguos" expression :)
also your sign is ambiguos :)
in my country we use to say that somebody have to "retire" when he is at the highest level.. so I think (and hope) you will retire after doing the world record ln2 overclock on a FX! :)
Damn. Where are we going to find a reasonable priced 10.4 Megawatt PSU?:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by radaja
Minimum, so to be safe I suppose it's better to go for a 13 to 15MW PSU:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
Brian skins a lot of cats so he knows what he is talking about :)Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Now that is sufficiently ambiguous. I'm sure plenty of brains will go pretzelform thinking about that one. :hitself:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Care to elaborate? Now ya got me thinkin'. I'm a grunt, no one ever accused us of being the cookie with the most chocolate chips in the cookie jar!Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
in southern china, some eat cats like chicken. they skin cats differently. and they eat the flesh. skinning cats have different ways.
:D OK Thanks Hondacity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondacity
Ever been to Athens, Greece? No southern chinaman would go hungry if they took up residence there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondacity
Not sure if that's good or bad for Bulldozer. Any more info?:stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Lol so true. Haven't been back in ages but I remember the cats in every corner of every building...Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpingJack
Wolf in sheep's disguise has been skinned :cat:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Assuming the cat is half the solution ...
Nice way to derail thread which already was kind of derailed. Double Derail FTW :)
Haven't had that much fun reading forums for weeks now, keep it up!
What that little and very old phrase means. Lets go to a car analogy ( forgive me ).
I have a plain Jane 2001 Neon SE 5spd MATX.
Now in it's stock form the car is a rat, for instancee 1st gear is a very narrow band and sluggish as well as second........the car wakes up around 3rd and 4th gear.
Now if i wanted to improve the performance of the car the right thing to do would be work on the areas it is weak. Installing long tube headers and a CAI and a cam would be counter productive as those 3 things would boost mid range which is already preety strong.
Cost for above mods would be roughly $600 with quality parts.
The logical thing would be to install an under drive pulley for faster rev, alum flywheel, and dump the stock 2" exhaust from the cat back which would all boost the bottom end performance around first and second gear.
Cost for above mods would be roughly $600 with quality parts.
2 totally diff paths of upgrade pointed out above and tbh would you feel the difference? Not really, but it would be measurable and the last one would net better measured performance.
Make sense now?
You can tune deffencies away whether it be a cpu or an entire system build, it all just depends on your end game or goals and choosing correctly. It's always better to tune for some nice balance in the end.
so bulldozer pulls more from the low end xD nice analogy :) my x6 does this too i believe and its overall smoother :D
You guys want to know more about Bulldozer "final" Performance & Pricing ? I just found an (old) interesting screenshot from AMD.
Easy as hell : everything you want to know is written down here.
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^funny though both brazos and lynx are more expensive than that chart shows. i think they over-performed.
hehe only that amd is late :)
whatever msi is also late with bd-ready bios update for my board :)
I thanked you for that post, simply because of the car analogy usage lolQuote:
Originally Posted by chew*
You could also do the "blasphemous" move and swap out the MT for an AT, then equip it with a 3500 Stall so it launches immediately in the power band :D A lot of the problem could easily be the fact that the Neon (sans SRT-4) was not intended for any sort of performance, so an overhaul of the computer's programming could do a world of difference (remap spark curves, AF:R table, tune the knock-retard table). Factory tune is sort of like the whole Intel Compiler use with AMD fiasco, where if you just run it as is you're not getting all the performance you could be heh
As for the cat: Schrödinger's Skun Cat Theory - The cat has neither been skinned, nor does it have skin! :eek:
(Definition for our foreign friends, -- ^^^^^ -- since it's not a commonly used term)
In the US I don't see it being that much for a system build, even for a A8-3850 (which I think the 3550 in that chart might be representative of what the 3850 is).Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
A8-3850: ~$130
Mobo: $65-140
RAM: 2x4GB - $30-40 (DDR3-1600)
PSU: $40-50 (for a quality 600W with MIR, which is overkill)
Case: $40-90
HDD: $40-55
Optical: $20
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Total: $525 (at most)
Monitor, keyboard, mouse, general purpose speakers: ~$155 (monitor would be name brand ~19-21 inch, but relatively inexpensive mouse/keyboard/speakers)
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Complete System: $680
Use the cheaper motherboard and case, and they knock it down to $555! That's lower than the Lynx with E2 APU prediction :p:
I think everyone will be late with the max-performance BIOS since AMD did some chip revising.Quote:
whatever msi is also late with bd-ready bios update for my board
It was a joke i dont know if this board would get a bd bios (though it could afaik), let alone the point you made..Quote:
Originally Posted by Formula350
Damn i want some more chinese leak benches to drive the discussion even further :)
AMD will try to keep the discussion away from performances as long as possible. You'll see next week what I'm talking about :D
Funny my patience doesnt grow much if people that know more say things like "you will see next week" xD