aquatuning trademark grab ?

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06-17-2009, 09:18 AM
DarthBeavis

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Originally Posted by Erasmus354

That is in no way at all similar to this.

DangerDen was the North American distributor for Thermochill. This is very common business practice and there was nothing shady or backhanded about it. Come on Naekuh, that is just being ignorant.

No shait. I guess DD should have refused to be the US distributor? I guess they held a gun to TC's head?
06-17-2009, 09:18 AM
LOUISSSSS

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Originally Posted by Waterlogged

Oh, they've done this as well. This is one simple instance but I think it proves the point.

Koolance 45° labeled as Koolance

Koolance 45° labeled as Aquatuning Black Nickel plated

Koolance 45° labeled as Aquatuning Gold plated

Nowhere on the Black Nickel or Gold plated product pages does it say "Koolance" and you won't find them in the Koolance section either. Scumbaggery at it's finest IMO.

Sand? More like sticking his head in a tree chipper ignoring the fact that it's running.

wow so they ARE stealing other manufacture's products and selling it as their own. there is nowhere on those links that say it is made by Koolance or Koolance branded.

i hope this store (AT) gets their asses burn the F off.:down::down::down::down::down:
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06-17-2009, 09:25 AM
century child

I noticed in that luxx support link earlier several people raving about how AT is now individually packaging their fittings in little plastic bags. I wonder where they got that idea?
06-17-2009, 09:33 AM
Baleful

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Originally Posted by NaeKuh

LOL Dont mess with DD!!

But u know DD almost did something simular with Thermochill.

No vendor B4 H2o got all bloated, was allowed to sell thermochill in the US unless it came from DD. :P

Huh? DD is the main US distributor, or was for Thermochill. Similar to how F-CPU is with Fesser Rads, and Jab-tech with XSPC Rads.
06-17-2009, 10:05 AM
naokaji

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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis

And are you saying they are the exclusive distributor? Of which exact companies. Let's get into specifics.

Wasn't me, but I'll clear it up anyway.

If you look at the european watercooling online shops, it's like having 100 petras and once performance pcs.
Exclusive by Contract? no, but their size gives them a massive advantage.

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Originally Posted by dualbrain

Hello guys :)
They just opened a support thread in Germany (LUXX) and maybe they will open one here too if you ask there.

I happen to know German, the mods are deleting all posts related to the trademark debacle.
06-17-2009, 10:08 AM
PeterStoba

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Originally Posted by Russ_64

Well I signed up yesterday and ordered some new EK blocks and stuff from the UK store - they have the best range of items and most in stock, plus Free delivery (with a £4 handling fee) for UPS to UK.

£4 isn't free!
06-17-2009, 10:59 AM
DarthBeavis

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Originally Posted by naokaji

Wasn't me, but I'll clear it up anyway.

If you look at the european watercooling online shops, it's like having 100 petras and once performance pcs.
Exclusive by Contract? no, but their size gives them a massive advantage.

I happen to know German, the mods are deleting all posts related to the trademark debacle.

DD says their volume was not worth renewing the contract last Summer. Fail.
06-17-2009, 10:59 AM
MrToad

Until the waters clear this is the last thing I will add to the subject:

One of the affected companies (Bulgin), after being made aware of the situation, put the matter on the hands of their legal team and AT withdrew their application.

In this whole conundrum this is the only fact I've got, because I've "heard" it from the horse's mouth.

Everyone can draw the conclusions they want out of this.
06-17-2009, 11:06 AM
DarthBeavis

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Originally Posted by Baleful

Huh? DD is the main US distributor, or was for Thermochill. Similar to how F-CPU is with Fesser Rads, and Jab-tech with XSPC Rads.

Yes. I know there were complaints about DD hording the rads. DD did not sell TC rads for squat so why would they hoard them? I think we already know TC had serious production issues. I remember reading whining posts about it but at the same time I notice on my trips to DD the TC racks were empty or close to empty. Black Ice rads on the other hand sold like crazy.

Go back and read my hints over a year ago about their demise (I knew they were out fishing for a buyer even when people who thought they were in the know said otherwise).
06-17-2009, 11:07 AM
kgk

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Originally Posted by century child

Hi KGK. A couple of shops that come to mind are caseking.de and gamersware.de. If all else fails, highflow.nl has a very nice selection and isn't so far away;)

Thanks! :up:
06-17-2009, 11:11 AM
scamps

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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis

I am not going to link you to other forums as I do not wish to be banned here.

Now explain to me why they registered the names of the companies. Please explain exactly why. And are you saying they are the exclusive distributor? Of which exact companies. Let's get into specifics.

Ever heard of PMs?

How have I to understand this? (status a few minutes ago)
And e. g. the fact, that you didn´t have any other possibility to buy a Thermochill in Germany for years (I have tried it) so nothing to do with latest news)? And you still have no other possibility to buy a XSPC rad in Germany (I have tried it)?
http://www.abload.de/thumb/koolance_...endernnd6g.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/swiftech_...endernji6z.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/tc_bildgrendern3ioa.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/xspc_bildgrendern4dcx.jpg

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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis

I just confirmed with DD they have not had a contract with AT since last Summer and AT did not have their permission. They also have been in contact with their competitors who also have said they did not give AT permission. Lawyers are involved who are familiar with the clown who caused this as they dealt with him when he pulled the same crap with the Blace Ice branding.

So they HAD a contract with AT until last summer? And with whom do they have a contract, now? Are the new tubings Feser or DD? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Logos

...FALSE, so damned false...
ps: ja, und Solingen is nicht sehr weit entfernt von Bielefeld nicht wahr ? Mensch, was glaubst du eigentlich :rolleyes:

see above and
Dein Deutsch ist nahezu perfekt, super! Qu'à cela ne tienne!

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Originally Posted by dualbrain

Ah - they have deleted any critical postings in that thread already. You are right. It seems that it's a ball-less company.

Could you please tell these nice guys who began the discussion? Just to end discussions about my relationship to AT? Thank you in advance!

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Originally Posted by Erasmus354

...DangerDen was the North American distributor for Thermochill. This is very common business practice and there was nothing shady or backhanded about it. Come on Naekuh, that is just being ignorant.

interesting ... but perhaps offtopic.
06-17-2009, 11:15 AM
DarthBeavis

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Originally Posted by scamps

Ever heard of PMs?

How have I to understand this? (status a few minutes ago)
And e. g. the fact, that you didn´t have any other possibility to buy a Thermochill in Germany for years (I have tried it) so nothing to do with latest news)? And you still have no other possibility to buy a XSPC rad in Germany (I have tried it)?

So they HAD a contract with AT until last summer? And with whom do they have a contract, now? Are the new tubings Feser or DD? :rolleyes:

What does Danger Den have to do with TC in Europe?

DD dumped AT and went with TFC. Yes. AT registers DD name. Yes. Why? You said AT has exclusive contract with DD so they can and should do so. I am confused. What is your point?
06-17-2009, 11:24 AM
scamps

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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis

What does Danger Den have to do with TC in Europe?

DD dumped AT and went with TFC. Yes. AT registers DD name. Yes. Why? You said AT has exclusive contract with DD so they can and should do so. I am confused. What is your point?

Why don´t you comment the rest? No links, no fun? All "heisse Luft"? :rofl:

I know about DD, it´s well known in Germany, I guess. When did AT register the name? Before or after the split? I really do not know it.

One last additional notice: Perhaps AT is the evil one in this scene. Maybe. So this http://www.aquatuning.de/shop_conten...ge/en/coID/101
is all not true. Maybe. But why don´t anybody stop them to write those lies?
I still do not understand. To dumb. Sorry. :wave:
06-17-2009, 11:38 AM
Erasmus354

Quote:

Originally Posted by scamps

Why don´t you comment the rest? No links, no fun? All "heisse Luft"? :rofl:

I know about DD, it´s well known in Germany, I guess. When did AT register the name? Before or after the split? I really do not know it.

One last additional notice: Perhaps AT is the evil one in this scene. Maybe. So this http://www.aquatuning.de/shop_conten...ge/en/coID/101
is all not true. Maybe. But why don´t anybody stop them to write those lies?
I still do not understand. To dumb. Sorry. :wave:

writing all those lies? That is just a brief history of the company. What the hell does that have to do with anything here? Not to mention that was last updated 2 years ago.

When did AT register the name? You really are ignorant and lazy ... there have been a dozen links here to the OHIM site showing the registrations, which clearly lists the dates the trademarks were applied for. (Most were in February of this year)
06-17-2009, 11:44 AM
Humminn55

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Originally Posted by scamps

I know about DD, it´s well known in Germany, I guess. When did AT register the name? Before or after the split? I really do not know it.

Well, since Aquatuning refers to themselves as the Owner and Legal Entity for the name Danger Den, at least in the filing with the OAMI, I guess that pretty much says AT is the owner of the Danger Den brand. No mention of DD being a U.S. based company or owned/trademarked in the U.S.

Oh, and AT registered with OAMI the name DD this year, 2009....well after the split.

Here, try this. Trademark #007542152.

Type that into the basic OAMI search here: http://oami.europa.eu/CTMOnline/Requ...en_SearchBasic

Hope this is navigable for you and not too basic. :welcome:
06-17-2009, 11:54 AM
DarthBeavis

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Originally Posted by scamps

I still do not understand. To dumb. Sorry. :wave:

This is the only thing you have posted that I agree with. Well, except for "to". It should be "too".

You really make no sense. Why are you even posting if you do not understand the issue or facts involved? AT registered Danger Den's name a year after Danger Den refused to renew a contract with them. Will someone please translate this to German for scamps?
06-17-2009, 11:56 AM
Humminn55

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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis

Will someone please translate this to German for scamps?

What would be the point? Argue with a moron/imbecile/idiot and the only thing that happens is that you drop to their level and then they beat you with experience.
06-17-2009, 12:00 PM
Logos

agreed, I think we should stop arguing with scamps :D ....the more he posts, the more it's confused and a dead end.
06-17-2009, 12:01 PM
DarthBeavis

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Originally Posted by Humminn55

What would be the point? Argue with a moron/imbecile/idiot and the only thing that happens is that you drop to their level and then they beat you with experience.

LOL . . .best nugget of wisdom I have heard in a long time. :clap:
06-17-2009, 12:14 PM
Baleful

Quote:

Originally Posted by scamps

Why don´t you comment the rest? No links, no fun? All "heisse Luft"? :rofl:

I know about DD, it´s well known in Germany, I guess. When did AT register the name? Before or after the split? I really do not know it.

One last additional notice: Perhaps AT is the evil one in this scene. Maybe. So this http://www.aquatuning.de/shop_conten...ge/en/coID/101
is all not true. Maybe. But why don´t anybody stop them to write those lies?
I still do not understand. To dumb. Sorry. :wave:

WTH are you talking about? Are you saying that AT did NOT register the names?

Proof:

1 The Trade mark details CoolIT Systems CTM 008147662
2 The Trade mark details ACRyan CTM 008109894
3 The Trade mark details Thermochill CTM 008109886
4 The Trade mark details Dye Bomb CTM 007605637
5 The Trade mark details Swiftech CTM 007605611
6 The Trade mark details SilenX iXtrema CTM 007605595
7 The Trade mark details Recom CTM 007605587
8 The Trade mark details XSPC CTM 007542327
9 The Trade mark details Masterkleer CTM 007542293
10 The Trade mark details Noctua CTM 007542236
11 The Trade mark details Koolance CTM 007542194
12 The Trade mark details Danger Den CTM 007542152
13 The Trade mark details Bitspower CTM 007542137
14 The Trade mark details aqua tuning CTM 007542129
15 The Trade mark details Yate Loon CTM 007242068
16 The Trade mark details Phobya CTM 007237861

All can be found here - http://oami.europa.eu/CTMOnline/Requ...en_SearchBasic
06-17-2009, 12:18 PM
Baleful

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthBeavis

Yes. I know there were complaints about DD hording the rads. DD did not sell TC rads for squat so why would they hoard them? I think we already know TC had serious production issues. I remember reading whining posts about it but at the same time I notice on my trips to DD the TC racks were empty or close to empty. Black Ice rads on the other hand sold like crazy.

Go back and read my hints over a year ago about their demise (I knew they were out fishing for a buyer even when people who thought they were in the know said otherwise).

Huh? I had no idea there were complaints about DD "hording" rads. That is news to me :rofl:

Yeah I knew about TC looking for buyers as well. There's a certain Red guy that was approached with a deal. :rofl:
06-17-2009, 12:23 PM
Sn@ke:~

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Originally Posted by naokaji

While I agree that we as Customers should make them burn in hell for doing crap like that by not buying anything from them anymore, there is a major problem, it is the only online shop in all of europe that has a decent selection of parts.

At least in the uk we have various alternatives, but having to buy everything separately and pay for shipping from each shop due to no shop having everything kills it.
The next shop that has everything would be performance pcs as they ship worldwide, but seriously, do you want to wait several weeks for stuff to arrive and pay 50$+ for shipping? there are limits to how far people would go to do the "right thing".

+1

When a company does that sort of move they usually know that they won't get screw as the consumer as little to no choice.

I bet that after this move the price will rise up for two reason: 1st no competition, 2nd get their money back at the end consumer gets screwed
06-17-2009, 02:13 PM
DarthBeavis

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Originally Posted by Baleful

Huh? I had no idea there were complaints about DD "hording" rads. That is news to me :rofl:

Yeah I knew about TC looking for buyers as well. There's a certain Red guy that was approached with a deal. :rofl:

OMg . . .that would be awesome. you thing Germans have colorful personalities . . . .Texas make them look like nerdy accountant types . . .guys like you refer to and Geno (another Texan) are freakin firecrackers. water-cooling marketing would look like the end of Terminator 3 . . . .mushroom clouds and all
06-17-2009, 02:34 PM
Sadasius

Ummmmm ...."SilenX iXtrema CTM 007605595" Well that was a goof if I ever heard of one. Talk about a worthless name to register. :rofl::rofl::rofl:
06-17-2009, 02:39 PM
DarthBeavis

OMG they registered "Obama" and "change". What is next. Will they register "FTW"?

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