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lol i am not arguing value for money in my previous post.......we are specifically talking about performance differences and fair comparisonsQuote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
not dollar for dollar comparisons
i am not saying one is better than other
hey i run a 8600GT in my 24/7
its very fast for everything i need it for.....to me your GTX260 looks like a waste of money too but i am not arguing that lol
Yeah, you do have to wonder what they are thinking, or IF they were thinking. I think the insanity of trying to compete with ATi has caused them to compete against themselves, and is affecting their engineering choices. It just doesn't make sense. They tried that once before with the GX2 and proved this multi-GPU stuff is a complete failure on all levels, and now they are gonna go backwards after having the top performing single GPU solution and wanna do it again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper
It's insanity. That is THE definition of insanity...Doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results. :ROTF:
What's worse is they are going to do the same thing they have done for the 7950GX2 and the 9800GX2. They'll bring it out, then do driver fixes for 3 months until the next architecture comes out, then they'll forget about it and leave the owners high and dry yet again. I hate to say but their track record on dual gpu records isn't very positive. Current 9800GX2 driver support is abismal by any standards.Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Flight
Uh Oh, I just had another thought. I wonder how painfully expensive watercooling one of these beasts might be? Might take its own rad, pump, fans, and the block for it would be a nightmare.
The 1st Factory (EVGA) block I saw for one of those 9800GX2's was Aluminum, and was huge. I think they made it out of Al to save weight to keep from breaking off the poor PCI-e port hanging on for dear life. :D Of course Aluminum is useless in a loop containing Cu or brass, so that was a non-starter from the get go. Can anyone imagine what a block like that would weigh in Cu? It would be like 4 pounds or some rediculous number! Becasue the GPU's were facing each other, the cards were sandwitched around the big huge massively thick block. I did see a Danger Den Cu block but like I said, I would hate to see what it weighed. It's full cover for the 9800GX2 only. Double sided full cover block only.
If nVidia does go ahead and do this (which I seriously hope they don't), it would be wise to situate the GPU's on the outside so block mounting would be easier. Of course I hate to even give them any ideas for somerthing that's a bad idea to begin with.
If the reports on power savings from going to 55nm on GT200 are accurate, then the heat-dump might not be too bad for a water-cooled setup.
why not name it GTX300.
Because GTX 300 series will be a next generation with G300 core .. lauch of that is planned to summer/fall 2009Quote:
Originally Posted by Envydia007
Yeah the 280 wasn't as bad as I thought it was gonna be. Guys had me scared of it before I ever got it. It's really not that bad on air, but it really comes alive with water. They have alot in them and you can get alot more out of them with water.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper
I've had mine up to max clocks already just to see it, but the heat is out of control at max clocks. It needs water badly. Water really does help them. Talonman did a thread in the Water forum, and he has awesome clcoks and temps. I can't even touch what he's getting but for only a few seconds loaded, and then have to back out.
I hope they get all these new cards to run a bit cooler, and maybe increase the shader clocking headroom a bit. I'm still a single card fan. If I need more I can always SLI another one. :)
Can I get a link?Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Flight
There you go...very cool stuff. :up:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=209248
Single card setups are definitely the preferred method of attack.
As far as heat and lower fabrication processes go, I can't wait until we're all running high-end setups on 250W PSU's again. :p:
yeah think i will go for either gtx 285-295 depending on the difference i have to put only had me gtx260-216 7 weeks so hopefully wont have to put much to new card. we will see... good luck man.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Synthetickiller
I'll be interested to see numbers and prices once the new cards are out
although, the card that is most likely catching my eye is the GTX265 (depending on power consumption/ heat output and folding power)
I just hope they dont release these and then drop all support when the 300 series comes along, thats what happened when I bought the 7950gx2
probably will happen again like 9800GX2, I think nvidia its shooting himself on the foot once again, while I'm anxious to see this monster, I think its a bad move, why I say its a bad move? well remember the 9800GX2? making the GT200 performance at start look mediocre? the GX2 made the nvidia statement about "100%>" performance increase from G80 (more like what we saw from G70>G80) statement a joke. What happen then? EOL... nvidia patron is to release single core ships at start if competition beats them bring on dual-ship and eol on next product line... thats my opinion. I could be wrong about this card tho :)!!Quote:
Originally Posted by shoopdawoopa
I think that this thing about 2 pcbs glued together and blabla almost sounds like an elitist view; Having 2 PCBs make the card seem less impressive since it 'needs' two cards to perform, unlike just a single pcb. Practical aspects of heat and power aside, i don't see what the fuss is about. I mean, the q6600 was no amazing feat: Two dual cores jammed together. Yet you don't see people :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ing about that all dayQuote:
Originally Posted by LOE
/take off calm hat/Quote:
Originally Posted by noinimod
it means the nvidia design team can't get off their asses and design a unified pcb like ati. a dual pcb sandwich is a ham handed throe of desperation. It would make sense if say, they needed the extra pcb for additional vram or a beefier vreg circuit, but otherwise it just means they want to put out another card but don't want to do a whole lot of design work. which is probably the same attitude they'll take with drivers.
(don't compare to intel's core2 architecture, there aren't any parallels really)
/replace calm hat/
love you nvidia!
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Originally Posted by BulldogPO
What is wrong with Displayport..?
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So you class a tower case that has 2 motherboards as two cases :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by LOE
Your analogy doesn't make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE
It would be "So you class a tower case that has 2 motherboards as two computers"
And yes, you could certainly call them that.
here is the startQuote:
Originally Posted by Xoulz
1) its slower than HDMI/dvi since it uses duel encryption (so it sends and encrypted message to the monitor/tv then gets an offset back) then sends a packet to let it display the frame
2) its got less bandwidth than dvi or HDMI and degrades more over distance
3) it is not an open standard u have to pay to use it
4) it offers no advantages for the user and no advantage for distributor only more blatancy
5) it cannot be converted to another input, without loosing HDCP making it useless if u only have native displayport
6) it blocks non HDCP content natively, so once it retches proliferation there will be no drm free media since live signing will be disabled (live sighing temporarily encrypts playback)
the list goes on farther if u look around, but just know that its bad and dont buy anything with it hopefully we can kill this like divx disks
Dont worry, Im sure that they will at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Envydia007
4870x2 has 2 GPU does that means it is 2 cards. I remember seeing a powercolor card i think it was that had brand a second pcb for output connection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly Fox
EDIT: I think people need to know the difference between PCB and Card. LOL. This debate is getting real old.