Phenom II info leaks out, AMD hints at something

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Originally Posted by wiak

just look at Radeon HD 4870,it was 75% speed of Geforce GTX 280 but was a hit why? cost half ;)

GTX 260 was beated by 4870, so why cant deneb beat Core 2 Quad
more people buy 500 euro computers than 1000 euro computers ?
my budget is kinda small, i just upgrade when i got cash

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The bottom line. The profit margin on those 1K euro computers is larger than the razor-thin margins on the 500 euro ones. I do agree with you about costs though.

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

:rofl::rofl: The only thing you'll do is make others skip your posts. Your sig has NOTHING to do with what you're posting. I don't need to call you clueless and stupid when you're constantly doing it yourself. Do you even have a clue what TACT is?

Ph-II has a chance to get AMD out of the Red. Folks looking for real info on it shouldn't have to filter through BS like yours.:up:

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*sigh*

You imply that I would care if AMD is faster or not;
Well, pretty much not since I owned only AMD while they actually were biting the dust. Yes, I'd love them being faster, but I do not care.

You imply that if AMD was the fastest I would use SuperPI or any other benchmark;
And how could that be? As said, look in my sig. If your argument was anything near reliable, I wouldnt have said that. But I did say I do not care about most benchmarks, especially not the ones where the results tell me nothing about my PC.

You imply that Im just ignoring benchmarks, or turning the actual value of it around etc, anything to deny the results;
Well, if that's your way to justify your argument, but seriously, no. Im seriously starting to wonder how long it takes before you come up with those conspiracy theory's cause... You make me go like:confused:

For the rest of your rant, since I see no single reason for you to be trashing over me like that, go somewhere else or come up with a valid argument. You can call my post BS, but you're the one here accusing me of things, once again, which are based on jack :banana::banana::banana::banana:, once again. Or to go short, my BS is a response to your BS, fight fire with fire.

Now back on topic please, I dont have a lot of patience anymore to throw mud around really.

Also, just a side note, if you were that close to the truth, that reliable etc, then how come you're about the only one trash'n around like that:confused:

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

Folks looking for real info on it shouldn't have to filter through BS like yours.:up:

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Or yours.

Oh... and welcome to the IGNORE LIST.

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Originally Posted by keithlm

Or yours.

Oh... and welcome to the IGNORE LIST.

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You're welcomed, oh, that's right, not reading it:rofl::ROTF:

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Originally Posted by Rammsteiner

*sigh*

You imply that I would care if AMD is faster or not;
Well, pretty much not since I owned only AMD while they actually were biting the dust. Yes, I'd love them being faster, but I do not care.

You imply that if AMD was the fastest I would use SuperPI or any other benchmark;
And how could that be? As said, look in my sig. If your argument was anything near reliable, I wouldnt have said that. But I did say I do not care about most benchmarks, especially not the ones where the results tell me nothing about my PC.

You imply that Im just ignoring benchmarks, or turning the actual value of it around etc, anything to deny the results;
Well, if that's your way to justify your argument, but seriously, no. Im seriously starting to wonder how long it takes before you come up with those conspiracy theory's cause... You make me go like:confused:

For the rest of your rant, since I see no single reason for you to be trashing over me like that, go somewhere else or come up with a valid argument. You can call my post BS, but you're the one here accusing me of things, once again, which are based on jack :banana::banana::banana::banana:, once again. Or to go short, my BS is a response to your BS, fight fire with fire.

Now back on topic please, I dont have a lot of patience anymore to throw mud around really.

Also, just a side note, if you were that close to the truth, that reliable etc, then how come you're about the only one trash'n around like that:confused:

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My short post was a rant? :rofl::ROTF: You're still slinging mud so you must be doing it subconsciously:D I asked why do you act like you're AMD personally or like you own the computer company. I've given you links before and you seem to not remember them LOL!

Guys PLEASE LAY OFF with the mudslinging, OK? It does NO GOOD, clutters threads, making any real information harder to find, and is WORTHLESS :mad:

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

Ph-II has a chance to get AMD out of the Red. Folks looking for real info on it shouldn't have to filter through BS like yours.:up:

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Wait...Are you actually complaining about having to filter through BS is this post while your contribution to this thread on the last two pages consists of obvious trolling or name calling?

The irony...:shakes:

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Originally Posted by SparkyJJO

Guys PLEASE LAY OFF with the mudslinging, OK? It does NO GOOD, clutters threads, making any real information harder to find, and is WORTHLESS :mad:

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I'm sorry. I've been impressed with Phenom II. Most folks have been very positive about it. Even if it doesn't overclock like C2D so what, Nehalem doesn't either. Phenom II has improved and closed the GAP considerably. This old crap about certain folks flying off the deep end for the slightest perceived negative comment, needs to STOP! At least one guy in thread gets it. You can say 9 good things and 1 not good then still expect to get flamed for the one comment. That's too bad.

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Originally Posted by Insanity

Wait...Are you actually complaining about having to filter through BS is this post while your contribution to this thread on the last two pages consists of obvious trolling or name calling?

The irony...:shakes:

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No, look at your post for irony, nice info added. Phenom II info leaks out, AMD hints at something. Look at the post where I said I believed AMD, others say they didn't. But you'd never know it from the reply I got!

Please go back to post #32 and start over?

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

Of course, that's one reason Deneb is ahead for me, see earlier post?

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So, I'm trolling for AMD?

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

So, I'm trolling for AMD?

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Where did I say you were trolling AMD?
Either you are trolling for the sake of provoking an argument, or you just need to chill out and back up because you're accomplishing nothing except participating to the polution of this thread.

What I wanted to say, is that you should drop the flamewar now for the sake of this thread because we may still be able to save it with some healthy discussion (which has long since disapeared here).

I could care less about who or what you're supporting. You could be a Cyrix fanboy for all I care, my point is the same : you're not helping this thread, you're just pouring oil on the fire.

Go drink a beer or two and chill out, and let this thread return to peaceful and useful discussion please.

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Originally Posted by Insanity

Where did I say you were trolling AMD?
Either you are trolling for the sake of provoking an argument, or you just need to chill out and back up because you're accomplishing nothing except participating to the polution of this thread.

What I wanted to say, is that you should drop the flamewar now for the sake of this thread because we may still be able to save it with some healthy discussion (which has long since disapeared here).

I could care less about who or what you're supporting. You could be a Cyrix fanboy for all I care, my point is the same : you're not helping this thread, you're just pouring oil on the fire.

Go drink a beer or two and chill out, and let this thread return to peaceful and useful discussion please.

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Sigh!

Show some respect guys. Donnie's been here longer and seen more than you can imagine.

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Originally Posted by Sly Fox

Show some respect guys. Donnie's been here longer and seen more than you can imagine.

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Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Insanity

Where did I say you were trolling AMD?
Either you are trolling for the sake of provoking an argument, or you just need to chill out and back up because you're accomplishing nothing except participating to the polution of this thread.

What I wanted to say, is that you should drop the flamewar now for the sake of this thread because we may still be able to save it with some healthy discussion (which has long since disapeared here).

I could care less about who or what you're supporting. You could be a Cyrix fanboy for all I care, my point is the same : you're not helping this thread, you're just pouring oil on the fire.

Go drink a beer or two and chill out, and let this thread return to peaceful and useful discussion please.

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I've been arguing with Donnie27 couple times before but honestly you can't blame him and not Rammsteiner here unless you don't care for double standards.

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Originally Posted by LowRun

I've been arguing with Donnie27 couple times before but honestly you can't blame him and not Rammsteiner here unless you don't care for double standards.

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Don't get me wrong, they're both responsible here.
Was just trying to get one of the sides to drop this endless argument for the sake of the thread. And Donnie looked reasonable enough to listen.

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@ Sly Fox, To be honest, I dont care really. Respect has to be earned, not given.

@ LowRun, Double standards? Please dont feel misplaced to show what and where my double standards are? Thanks
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Originally Posted by Jazzman

Some have speculated that given the phenom underlining architecture is the same in Phenom II that you would see high current leakage as you overclocked to 4.0. On the XS AMD forum, RiverRicer found HERE that there are significant architecture changes in AMD's 45nm chip.


The above would seem to imply that should AMD migrate to HKMG (High_K_Metal_Gates) you would see still more improvement. HKMG is forecast for AMD chip construction later in 2009.

In my opinion, this technology innovation would seem to suggest that later Phenom II chips could clock well above 4.0Ghz.

For those of you technically inclined, here is an explanation of the specific design innovations:

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Can anyone do some thinking about the change to high/k and metal gates? Been thinking about this.

My question is, since AMD managed to improve their current production very well; can high/k and metal gates be applied into this without issues and a guaranteed improvement in both clocks and power consumption or did AMD basicly manage to improve their process so much that it's better, even only on certain area's, than high/k and metal gates? So that if they used high/k and metal gates that they actually lose on certain areas like power consumption, clocks or whatever? Or can high/k and metal gates be more seen as a 'turbo' and basicly improves with whatever process it's combined with?

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Originally Posted by Rammsteiner

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[size="1"]@ Sly Fox, To be honest, I dont care really. Respect has to be earned, not given.

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Wasn't really directed at you, sorry for the confusion.

No problem with disagreements, I'd hate to go to an XS where it's off-limits to argue. Just saying, some people get a bit too disrespectful and I think it's inappropriate.

XS seems to lose a legendary user a day thanks to smart-talking children that signed up a few months ago at most. And I think it's sad, I don't know how many more great users plan to leave, but I hope none.

In any case, Phenom II, good stuff, good stuff. :D

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Originally Posted by Rammsteiner

Can anyone do some thinking about the change to high/k and metal gates? Been thinking about this.

My question is, since AMD managed to improve their current production very well; can high/k and metal gates be applied into this without issues and a guaranteed improvement in both clocks and power consumption or did AMD basicly manage to improve their process so much that it's better, even only on certain area's, than high/k and metal gates? So that if they used high/k and metal gates that they actually lose on certain areas like power consumption, clocks or whatever? Or can high/k and metal gates be more seen as a 'turbo' and basicly improves with whatever process it's combined with?

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My guess is, the latter option. Only problem is, I have not seen any new info on AMD's 45 nm. process node refresh for at least half a year. I'd say they are not going to do it on 45 nm. and just implement it on their future 32 nm. node.

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Originally Posted by Sly Fox

Wasn't really directed at you, sorry for the confusion.

No problem with disagreements, I'd hate to go to an XS where it's off-limits to argue. Just saying, some people get a bit too disrespectful and I think it's inappropriate.

XS seems to lose a legendary user a day thanks to smart-talking children that signed up a few months ago at most. And I think it's sad, I don't know how many more great users plan to leave, but I hope none.

In any case, Phenom II, good stuff, good stuff. :D

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Ah, that's clear then:up:

It's indeed a shame some very good members left or refuse to post in certain sections and so do I hope we wont have to lose a lot more of those people. KTE for example posted some very good stuff, but he left as well:(

Anyway, lets get back on-topic heh:p:

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Originally Posted by Helmore

My guess is, the latter option. Only problem is, I have not seen any new info on AMD's 45 nm. process node refresh for at least half a year. I'd say they are not going to do it on 45 nm. and just implement it on their future 32 nm. node.

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Not sure, there were some reports a later revision of Deneb will have high/k and metal gates. Now I dont know what sort of changes there has to be made to even use this, but I think it would be quite weird to say on such relative short terms to do it and then not to do it. I mean, it's not like a a CPU you are doubting about whether to buy or not to buy it today:rolleyes:

I think that unless they somehow royally screw this up I'm about set on buying one come next year :D Thinking I may go with AM3, DDR3, and get the black edition AM3 chip (I hope there is one!)

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Originally Posted by Sly Fox

Show some respect guys. Donnie's been here longer and seen more than you can imagine.

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lol So seniority automatically makes you respected?

...this is like pulling teeth. :brick:

wheres the info?

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Originally Posted by Sly Fox

Wasn't really directed at you, sorry for the confusion.

No problem with disagreements, I'd hate to go to an XS where it's off-limits to argue. Just saying, some people get a bit too disrespectful and I think it's inappropriate.

XS seems to lose a legendary user a day thanks to smart-talking children that signed up a few months ago at most. And I think it's sad, I don't know how many more great users plan to leave, but I hope none.

In any case, Phenom II, good stuff, good stuff. :D

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Well the mods sure doesn't seem to mind. I have no problems at all with much harder flame/troll rules. In fact i want it just to rid of the trash.
You might think that some of my posts are not very constructive or on topic but i do it because its allowed.

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Originally Posted by Omastar

lol So seniority automatically makes you respected?

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Not necessarily, but I can say that having read posts from Donnie and other users I know they're well educated in the subject and respectful towards other members 99% of the time.

Seniority shouldn't be some all encompassing "shield" against blame, but I think users who have somewhat "grown" XS from a relatively small niche forum into an increasingly relevant one deserve some credit.

All I'm saying is that people (myself included at times) need to tone down the rage a little bit. Bickering jokingly or whatnot can be fun, but when arguments carry on page after page and involve insults, the line may be crossed.

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Originally Posted by SparkyJJO

I think that unless they somehow royally screw this up I'm about set on buying one come next year :D Thinking I may go with AM3, DDR3, and get the black edition AM3 chip (I hope there is one!)

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Yeah, although I wouldnt care about that too much though. With speeds like 3Ghz I think an unlocked multiplier isnt needed that much anymore. If it's there, cool, if it ain't then not.

You'd only need a HTT of 267Mhz to reach 4Ghz:rolleyes: Only thing to worry about is the motherboard allows good use of 8x multipliers for NB/HT (my motherboard didnt:shocked:).

And still Im wondering what FX will be about:p: