SM will have boards with pci and PCI-X..;)Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckbam
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SM will have boards with pci and PCI-X..;)Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckbam
I asked Dr.Who? ( Francois Piednoel from Intel) that same question and his response was as said above here:Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
"The expiration of the NDA is under NDA"
Then laughed. Good to see these people with a sense of humor.
My guess is that they are still refining these and don't want any 'official" numbers released until they are happy with the results.
Also possible that they still may have small issues to deal with.
The MB manufacturers seemed to be tossing fits over the tri channel memory and making it work right.
Then also the still up in the air issues on memory standardisation on these boards..DDR3-1066,1333?????
would be nice to hear more today, well at least we can hope. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
http://forum.desktopreview.com/showthread.php?p=2256457Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
We're getting close when pics start to show up like this. We know the server folks will get them first. Like Movieman said about the memory issues. Servers don't have to run the RAM balls-to-the-wall. Geesh, wouldn't 3 channels of 1066 be enough for now?
At that link they show the older 4 core chip for the Tigerton board(quad core,quad socket, older 604 pinned socket) but they are talking about the new 6 core chip that is supposed to be a drop in replacement for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
This is the one I was talking about that I may get to review..
24 cores on one board..:rofl:
:eek: you will be able to review the Intel's 6-core Dunnington I am imagining you counting the days till it comes to your door step :yepp:
i wonder how dunnington performs with the 3rd lvl cache, since its shared between the 6 cores, so the quad fsb only is there for inter socket communication. :)
I misunderstood, I thought you said compile time wasn't important. And yes, i do know the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by gosh
What does that have to do with the Nehalem Launch?Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpingJack
Nothing definate yet but when I inquired on doing a review on a Gainstown(dual socket Nehalem) they asked if I would be interested in doing a review on a 24 core Dunnington board first.Quote:
Originally Posted by @@@@
At first I said no as I was thinking I'd have to provide the cpu's,memory,etc..
That's close to $11,000.00...:rofl:
so my question is. What did you do to convince them that your part of the press?Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
I didn't. I told them I was a moderator on XS and a devouted "dualie" person and wanted to show all these crazed gamers that there were options out there that they might want to look at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
Now the fact that when I posted the review it was grabbed by a ton of sites all over Europe didn't exactly hurt either.:D
Nehalem and its plafform is a very complex change, we are busy making sure it is rock solid. More than 800Millions transistors, new Bus interface, new IO subsystem, performance validation and functional validation are exponentially complexe. It does increase as a permutation of combination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
People rarely understand the scale of validating a processor, it is looking for a niddle in 800millions parts ... with a motherboard team, a CPU team, a BUS team, a performance team, a Quality team, and several version of the CPU, for mobile, desktop, server multi processor ...
I am lucky enough to live this from the inside, right now, there are thousands of people busy, working like ants, and I admire the General manager for making all of this happen in parallele. Attention to details is critical.
We are paranoid, as Andy Groove taught us, so, even if it looks ready, we got to have the CPU and motherboard good enough to face the hightest requirements. This is almost an impossible task that we are after, we need time for this. We are workig hard on it, very hard, week end and nights are too short :) :rofl:
aka, nehalem isn't ready.
It's very complex so it's understandable.Intel can now see how hard it is to validate such a complex chip (and still make a mistake in the process->Barcelona launch and TLB issues).Deneb is having a bit over 700mil. transistors,although the platform is already validated(AM2+),hence easier time for competitor from that pov at the moment.
Intel is having a tough job as DrWho said,with all the platform changes that were done with Nehalem.But it's a huge company with a lot of awesome engineers,they'll probably make it on time.
Hehehe! Yes but that is a big sum-bee-otch!Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
aka, we are QAing it. no need to spin it negatively, it is a normal process, nothing wrong. It is ready when we launch it, not before.Quote:
Originally Posted by PetNorth
Its normal. I´m sure things like the Itanium gets even more validated than a K10 ever was or Nehalem.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
And its all on time.
Not sure what you try to spin out of it. That ohh its so hard to validate now? Along with its so hard AMD failed on K10? :rofl:
Shintai,what part of the above is hard for you to grasp?:rolleyes:Quote:
More than 800Millions transistors, new Bus interface, new IO subsystem, performance validation and functional validation are exponentially complexe. It does increase as a permutation of combination.
Montecito took 2 years to validate after tape out; the biggest problem was Foxton which was eventually killed.Btw , Itaniums are tested in a heavy radiation environment at Los Alamos were it was exposed to neutron beams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Page 22 http://h20427.www2.hp.com/event/kr/k...0solutions.pdf
Well having paid those long nights myself on our own projects, I know there has to be a ton of work going into this final stage. And we all know that it only takes one bad part deep in the chip to spoil our fun too. So patience is a good thing for both sides in this process.
I think sometimes it's like watching a fancy car come off the line. You are itching to drive it, but you have to let QA and all the checks go on first, so you know it's really GTG when you get the keys. I feel like it won't be a lot longer, but I also know I'm appreciative of the thoroughness that Intel puts into getting the chip right. Isn't that the very reason we love Intel chipsets for example? Because they work, solidly, the way we like.
I7 is coming. Just needs a bit more time for the finishing labor and touches and then we'll be enjoying it. :)
Absolutely nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckbam
Sure and of most us are glad you guys don't have to rush out a product with TLB bugs and etc... Then be desperate enough to sell and not at least offer an exchange. Well almost, see below?*Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
The good!
To the other guys, give Intel props for choosing something doable in the first place. I remember certain folks here at XtremeSystems mocking Intel, making the wrong choice by going with MCM they said. Then went on about how Native Dual Core would crush them. At least admit Intel was right? It's not like Conroe was easy. Give Intel credit for not making the same mistake AMD did.
The bad!
Why I'll still just watch the Nehalem launch without buying one.
*My Wolfdale C0 is a fine processor but seems broke and parts missing compared to the E0 that has more features, runs cooler (I'm talking stock, not overclocking) and has less errata. Sure its faster than Conroe and even my bud's A64 X2 at 3.1GHz, but it is slower, hotter, and etc... than the newer E8400 E0 he just replaced that AA64@3.1GHz with.
I'll wait for a couple of steppings before I touch Nehalem! I honestly feel I didn't get the best deal with this Wolfdale! Don't want to make that mistake again. It's not a TLB bug but IMHO, it ain't far from it:rolleyes:
I am going to hold for a while. I don't know if I need the fancy retail board. DDR3 tri kits should come down. I want a second Video to Cross-fire. And, a TB Seagate. I am thinking like next April. I do want the Bloomfield w/ the tri channel and 12 GB of mem.
Do the vanilla Asus P35 come with an OC bios?
Yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckbam