But is wery good for FSB oc.
Amd dont offer (for now)in any case not multipler not fsb
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But is wery good for FSB oc.
Amd dont offer (for now)in any case not multipler not fsb
Even, if we can't overclock, the point could be price/performance vs overclock Intel price / performance. We don't know what will be the barcelona performance...
Ok, AMD doen't want give benchmarks, and Intel cut again price in July but who know? (probably some xtreme members but that is not those who posts fake cpuz :( )
And who know how a 65nm barcelona will compete with a 45 nm penryn even unlock?
http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=199501467
anyone know the validity of this statement (on page 2), refering of course to the IMC supporting both DDR2 and DDR3Quote:
In terms of on-chip features, the four cores of Barcelona are expected to each have their own, 512-kB L2 cache, and to share a 2-MB L3 cache. The processor will support a fast, DDR2/DDR3 memory interface.
Anand:Quote:
Originally Posted by VulgarHandle
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We asked AMD's Phil Hester when he expects to see DDR3 make sense for the desktop, and he gave us an unusually candid answer. According to Hester, it won't be until late 2008 or early 2009 that DDR3 will make economic sense to move to. Given that Phenom will be DDR2 from the start, it looks like AMD's transition to DDR3 will be much like its transition to DDR2: it will complete well after Intel has made the move
http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/sho...spx?i=2987&p=2
Since DDR3 is for AM3 with serial VIDs I would say no.Quote:
Originally Posted by VulgarHandle
Real World Tech has just updated their article on Barcelona:
http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cf...WT051607033728
Excellent article with very high technical details.
I admit that it's mostly chiense to me, So if you can crack it down it or draw any performance estimations from this, Please do.
i readed it too, very nice :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Face
AMD show us all please :slobber:
@Face
A very educative article, but not enough detailed to make perfromance estimations. IMO, K10 will be a FP monster. It will outperform any x86 for FP per clock per core. For non-SSSE3/SSE4 optimized applications it will perform roguhly same as Core2 at same frequency. It will be slower than Core2 for arithmetic and logic calculations, at same frequency.
On 4P+ it will dominate for sure and maybe on 2P. On 1P, Core2 will remain holding the crown.
Hmm let's see if what the last "expert" said will hold true when K10 arrives.I think not.
if you think in 1P K10 is better i'm with you :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
sourceQuote:
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David Kanter once again struck a gold vein for hard-core enthusiasts and engineers, by posting an article that goes in-depth with AMD K10. While Phil Hester claims that AMD never called Barcelona/Agena/Griffin processor line K10 (nor K8L, which was invented Charlie and then "confirmed" by another AMD executive), their own software guide calls for 10h family of processors. You do the math, and while you're doing it - head over to RealWorldTech and enjoy.
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amazing
erm... don't get too excited *cough*R600*cough*
According to the writer of the article, Barcelona is a "solid improvement across the board" over AMD's current chips, and it should give the firm decisive advantages in the high-performance computing and multi-processor server markets.
With 2P, 4P I do agree and think it will dominate - Caneland\Tigerton should narrow the gap though.
I think 1P and desktop varients would(and should) edge current Conroes, even if just by a marginal gap.
When Penryn is out my guestimation is that they will perform toe-to-toe and that should be a nice battle to witness.
Madcho, I truly believe 10h will spank Conroe/Penryn across the board in 1P configs (including int besides the fp domination) and all that while consuming less energy and working at lower clocks.
Intel however could try to pump Penryn derivatives to well above 3 Ghz and try to counteract.
10h is low TDP, :banana:, oc will be great :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
This is just an Inq link to the Real World Tech article previously mentioned, how that makes it amazing :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by madcho
I bet Penryn will wipe the floor with K10 on the 1P configuration as much as Core2 did to K8. Anyone interested about placing bets PM me.
Time caught up..no k10!Quote:
Originally Posted by madcho
Just like theinqs track record :DQuote:
Originally Posted by madcho
Maybe try with David Kanter, from what he says this remains to be seen, he looks like he knows much more than you tho' :fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by gOJDO
K10 better beat Core 2 with overclocking not just at stock for me to consider it a success. Some how I doubt we'll see K10 much above 3 Ghz.
c'mon amd; i want a barcelona / X4 :); intel are way too smug at the moment; they're annoying me.
i think K10 at 2.6 will match 3ghz c2q.Quote:
Originally Posted by frankR
In the better case intel will release this year penryn 3.3ghz. And i don't think intel could do it before early 2008.
I'm very confident about oc of K10, TDP are low and vcore too :toast:
Who created the R600? AMD or ATi?Quote:
Originally Posted by eXceededgoku
Now, who's fault was the R600 really? ;)
8.38 drivers show us XT is faster than GTS640 in evry games, wait 3 or 4 months and the XT should beat a GTX :love: