Ryzen - Return of the Jedi

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New AMD 32m PI WR.

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Hi

Link not working for me at least.

I suppose it is yours, in that case, congratulations, you deserved it. you have been working very hard for this moment, I don't post much but every day a came here ;) .

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Keep it on. :up:

Thats odd opens on pc but not on phone.

Fixed.

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What is the fastest memory speed recorded with Ryzen? I felt stymied with my dual rank 32 GB memory kit (B-die) ddr4 3200 running at 3066nhz. I decided to buy a Gskill single rank 16GB kit at 4266mhz with timings 19-19-19-36 . I plan on downclocking it at 3733mhz at 15-15-15-32 or 15-15-15-30 if possible with CR T1. Is it very crucial for performance to disable geardown, as you wind up with a T2 command rate, which has to impair performance somewhat? I hope my plan is feasible.

Would love to see 2400 cas 9-10-10 :up:

Closing in on ddr3 cas /2000c7 vs 2666cs10

http://imgur.com/a/zzKD8

I have done 9-8-8 2666 but...it was sketchy.
Speeds i run are dictated by cpu when sub 0. I tried higher and looser. Would not boot.
Once I know speed it likes i just make due and dial in performance @ that given speed.

Os2wiz think someone broke 4000 on single stick on a gigabyte. I am more of a performance oriented mind then a suicide run kind of guy however.

Was that 16 or 32gb(all banks filled) @ 2666c9

3200c10-9-9 would be a great improvement over my 1800c8-10-10

Quad channel would be the cherry on top

32gb sticks that can do that = Dreamland

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What is the fastest memory speed recorded with Ryzen? I felt stymied with my dual rank 32 GB memory kit (B-die) ddr4 3200 running at 3066nhz. I decided to buy a Gskill single rank 16GB kit at 4266mhz with timings 19-19-19-36 . I plan on downclocking it at 3733mhz at 15-15-15-32 or 15-15-15-30 if possible with CR T1. Is it very crucial for performance to disable geardown, as you wind up with a T2 command rate, which has to impair performance somewhat? I hope my plan is feasible.

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Unless you are extremely lucky with your IMC and RAM, there is probably no way you'll be able to run 3733 MHz at CAS 15. 3600 CAS 16 might be feasible on single rank.

I've seen a few people have 3600 stable and have seen AIDA / boot at 4000 on one CPU so far but most people are between 3000-3200 or 3466.

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I have done 9-8-8 2666 but...it was sketchy.
Speeds i run are dictated by cpu when sub 0. I tried higher and looser. Would not boot.
Once I know speed it likes i just make due and dial in performance @ that given speed.

Os2wiz think someone broke 4000 on single stick on a gigabyte. I am more of a performance oriented mind then a suicide run kind of guy however.

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How bad is your IMC on LN2? 2666 max? I was having issues booting above 2400 on B-die below -60 all the way down to full pot over the weekend. Boot up to 3600, not stable, 3200 runs 32M CL12. CLR CMOS / ASUS Safe Boot don't help with the CBB. Code 55 or code 8 no ram / no cpu. Tried diff proc ODT as well. By the time I got 2666 booting I was getting multiplier locked at 5.5x

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Originally Posted by chew*

I have done 9-8-8 2666 but...it was sketchy.
Speeds i run are dictated by cpu when sub 0. I tried higher and looser. Would not boot.
Once I know speed it likes i just make due and dial in performance @ that given speed.

Os2wiz think someone broke 4000 on single stick on a gigabyte. I am more of a performance oriented mind then a suicide run kind of guy however.

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Yes, I am not looking at breaking any record in speed , just want to get a higher speed with very tight timings even 3600mhz at 14-14-14-32 would please me. I want my frame rates higher so I can maximize the RX Vega card I plan on buying next month. If my IMC limits me to 3466mhz I will live with it. The ram I bought is the most highly binned B-die available right now, so I am hoping for a little more juice. Thanks every one.

Thanks for the heads up.

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How bad is your IMC on LN2? 2666 max? I was having issues booting above 2400 on B-die below -60 all the way down to full pot over the weekend. Boot up to 3600, not stable, 3200 runs 32M CL12. CLR CMOS / ASUS Safe Boot don't help with the CBB. Code 55 or code 8 no ram / no cpu. Tried diff proc ODT as well. By the time I got 2666 booting I was getting multiplier locked at 5.5x

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This chip is really bad. Needs gen 1 to boot -80 needs to be -120 to reboot. Dead stop @ 2666. Valids just under 5.3. Benches 32m at least 5.1...but must downclock to save in paint lol.

But i dissagree with wizerty....that mentality of just grab another cpu ruined this hobby.

Doing what you can with the cards you were dealt is grass roots and only increases your experience level....so when you do find gold...you can make magic happen or if you do a live competition you don't look like an idiot whos skill lies only in bin to win.

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This chip is really bad. Needs gen 1 to boot -80 needs to be -120 to reboot. Dead stop @ 2666. Valids just under 5.3. Benches 32m at least 5.1...but must downclock to save in paint lol.

But i dissagree with wizerty....that mentality of just grab another cpu ruined this hobby.

Doing what you can with the cards you were dealt is grass roots and only increases your experience level....so when you do find gold...you can make magic happen or if you do a live competition you don't look like an idiot whos skill lies only in bin to win.

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I like it. Looks like I'm gonna have to put in work to get 2666+ working and stable. I should have clarified, 3200 CL12 is 32M stable on air @ 4G, CL11 was a no-go and high BCLK was a no go, just gets worse on LN2. "Safe boot" mode that "should boot" w/ LN2 mode = 105 BCLK, Gen2 and whatever else tricks obviously doesn't help, only the torch did >-60c. Couldn't reboot 2666 90% of the time even at full pot.

Code 8 surprised me, first time I quit getting code 55 I started getting code 8 until warmed up to -55c again. CBB code 8 stayed even with CMOS reset @ 2133 ram.
Anywho, point is Ryzen does not make it easy to bench on LN2 with a bad IMC and the board gimmick on the CH VI H didn't save me. Will have to revisit.

You ever get multi locked at 5.5x? Acted like extreme thermal throttling, but only with LN2 mode on. Not sure if you've had any ASUS boards cold yet but definitely made me feel stupid for not installing TurboV. Didn't get a single result or learn much from the session except that I should install the GPU driver before benching Cinebench.

It seems that 2933 with low cas might be limit for gen1 Zen,

Yah i have had my C6H under phase more times than i can remember. It recently dropped a channel but i sorted it out.

Working fine well sort of i fooled with it last night on a 3200 bin c14 set known good for 3400.

Refused to boot 3333 turned power off went to bed as i was not in the mood.

It was probably the SPD on the memory. One of my boards rewrote SPD on one stick to stupid settings.....no clue how.

My taichi does not seem to care about the broken SPD. It is not as finnicky. Oddly enough the fatality is more picky...will not boot with the set on Msimax's board. Its the same damn board lol.

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It seems that 2933 with low cas might be limit for gen1 Zen,

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Well I installed my new 16 GB memory kit. G.Skill F4-4266C19D-16GTZKW. I found out quickly how mediocre my IMC is. leaving all timings at auto. I was barely able to boot into 3300mhz with total instability with very high auto timings. I backed down to 3200mhz and was able to tighten timings to 14-13-13-13-30 CR T1. I had set timings at 13-13-13-30 CR T1 and it automatically changes the first value to 14. I did the appropriate SOC voltage and dram voltage stabilizing . I passed Ycrunch memory stresser. One thing with Y Crunch I have seen over and over again is if you pass the Fast Fourier subtest you wil pass all the others. I guess it is the most stressful on the memory controller of all the exams. I am looking forward to Zen 2 to solve this memory controller problem. Am I deluded to believe it will be a substantially better IMC or is there some rational reason for optimism??

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Well I installed my new 16 GB memory kit. G.Skill F4-4266C19D-16GTZKW. I found out quickly how mediocre my IMC is. leaving all timings at auto. I was barely able to boot into 3300mhz with total instability with very high auto timings. I backed down to 3200mhz and was able to tighten timings to 14-13-13-13-30 CR T1. I had set timings at 13-13-13-30 CR T1 and it automatically changes the first value to 14. I did the appropriate SOC voltage and dram voltage stabilizing . I passed Ycrunch memory stresser. One thing with Y Crunch I have seen over and over again is if you pass the Fast Fourier subtest you wil pass all the others. I guess it is the most stressful on the memory controller of all the exams. I am looking forward to Zen 2 to solve this memory controller problem. Am I deluded to believe it will be a substantially better IMC or is there some rational reason for optimism??

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Deneb to Thuban gave us 200 mhz @ same cas

Maybe 3800c16 stable , 4ghz max w/ cas 18-18-18(best case) 19-19-19 if your lucky :up:

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Originally Posted by os2wiz

Well I installed my new 16 GB memory kit. G.Skill F4-4266C19D-16GTZKW. I found out quickly how mediocre my IMC is. leaving all timings at auto. I was barely able to boot into 3300mhz with total instability with very high auto timings. I backed down to 3200mhz and was able to tighten timings to 14-13-13-13-30 CR T1. I had set timings at 13-13-13-30 CR T1 and it automatically changes the first value to 14. I did the appropriate SOC voltage and dram voltage stabilizing . I passed Ycrunch memory stresser. One thing with Y Crunch I have seen over and over again is if you pass the Fast Fourier subtest you wil pass all the others. I guess it is the most stressful on the memory controller of all the exams. I am looking forward to Zen 2 to solve this memory controller problem. Am I deluded to believe it will be a substantially better IMC or is there some rational reason for optimism??

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At 2666 ratio and up, CL automatically rounds to the next nearest value. 3200 CL12 looks like it would be the fastest option for you.

You may also find a DRAM hole where it will not post on a certain ratio at a given speed but will at a higher ratio or higher speed. ie. You may have 3200-3300 working, but 3300-3466 do not work, and 3466-3600 works.

Sometimes you gotta massage the chip.

Whats the best you seen those sticks do ?

3200c10-13-13 Is still smoking + Quad channel can up make for bandwidth loss

I would love to see that :D

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Originally Posted by Hell Hound

Sometimes you gotta massage the chip.

Whats the best you seen those sticks do ?

3200c10-13-13 Is still smoking + Quad channel can up make for bandwidth loss

I would love to see that :D

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RAM Timing vs Frequency Tabley.xlsx ;)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5e...5TLUZMYzg/view

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Originally Posted by BeepBeep2

At 2666 ratio and up, CL automatically rounds to the next nearest value. 3200 CL12 looks like it would be the fastest option for you.

You may also find a DRAM hole where it will not post on a certain ratio at a given speed but will at a higher ratio or higher speed. ie. You may have 3200-3300 working, but 3300-3466 do not work, and 3466-3600 works.

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On my board (only have CH6), to get odd CAS at higher speeds, GearDown needs to be disabled. When Enabled (or AUTO), odd CAS is rounded to next even value and you can't control CR.

Chew I remember you recently talking about noise in the memory ecosystem and how that could affect performance just as much as speed and settings. My new super binned DDR4 4266 dimms are a case in point. Yes my IMC is lousy on my 1800X, so I can only do 3200mhz stable at 14-14-14-34. But my cinebench 15.038 Open GL score is consistently at 129.45 fps as opposed to my Flare-X B-die at 123 fps before I sold them off. The settings are identical. So this super binned B-die must be producing less noise interference than the Flare X B-die did at the same speed. Thanks for your tutorial. I now feel somewhat vindicated in my decision to go for this higher-binned ram.

It could also be a lower or a higher sub you still have no access to or a timing that is more stable. ddr 4 is picky and so is ryzen and it reflects in the results.

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Originally Posted by Hell Hound

Was that 16 or 32gb(all banks filled) @ 2666c9

3200c10-9-9 would be a great improvement over my 1800c8-10-10

Quad channel would be the cherry on top

32gb sticks that can do that = Dreamland

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I have not had much luck sucking in tight with DR.

I am actually running 64gb now......also lack the cahones to shove volts into $700 worth of 64gb b-die lol.

64gb 3066 1T 14-14-14-28 is good

64gb 3200 2T 14-14-14-28 is good

32gb 3200 1T 14-14-14-28 is good

All DR

At least on C6H.

Of course I do not have 64gb on hand for R7 just happened to be curious. Its for something else ;)

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Chew I remember you recently talking about noise in the memory ecosystem and how that could affect performance just as much as speed and settings. My new super binned DDR4 4266 dimms are a case in point. Yes my IMC is lousy on my 1800X, so I can only do 3200mhz stable at 14-14-14-34. But my cinebench 15.038 Open GL score is consistently at 129.45 fps as opposed to my Flare-X B-die at 123 fps before I sold them off. The settings are identical. So this super binned B-die must be producing less noise interference than the Flare X B-die did at the same speed. Thanks for your tutorial. I now feel somewhat vindicated in my decision to go for this higher-binned ram.

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All subtimings identical? A lot of subtimings are set by the motherboard or SPD / XMP profile if left to "AUTO" and can have quite an impact on performance. Something as simple as leaving geardown mode on vs. running 1T with it off could account for that difference. chew* I believe was talking about power delivery, that's only going to help or hurt on the edge of stability to push an overclock and should have no impact on performance

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Of course I do not have 64gb on hand for R7 just happened to be curious. Its for something else ;)

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So, we can expect day one TR review from you Chew ? :-)
Also, have you tested 32Gb on ryzen with something other than b-die at 2933+Mhz ?
So far from what im reading 32Gb/3200mhz kits are only for high end boards with high end B-die sticks.

I would call it more of a report than a review and i really hate doing videos but there is so much to cover and some of it you just need to see to understand. Conveying it through a forum post will be hard. It will be off the cuff no editing no rgb disco lights humour just raw and uncut straight to the point as always and most likely a bunch of small clips covering various aspects.

I am not really aware of to many big density kits that are not bdie.

Really went above my means on this one financially and capability? wise. Originally had no intentions of working on it as I find myself at a loss to fully utilize it (TR and 64gb). I had discussed this with AMD already.

Was asked to by a vendor or shall i say an overclocker i respect who works for one.

I think i have the real world use or shall I say user that can actually show real world use covered now. I will do my report. Pretune it then pass it off and see what he comes up with.

This is the best I can really come up with for the OC community/workstation crowd which I think its marketed more towards.

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I would call it more of a report than a review and i really hate doing videos but there is so much to cover and some of it you just need to see to understand. Conveying it through a forum post will be hard. It will be off the cuff no editing no rgb disco lights humour just raw and uncut straight to the point as always and most likely a bunch of small clips covering various aspects.

I am not really aware of to many big density kits that are not bdie.

Really went above my means on this one financially and capability? wise. Originally had no intentions of working on it as I find myself at a loss to fully utilize it (TR and 64gb). I had discussed this with AMD already.

Was asked to by a vendor or shall i say an overclocker i respect who works for one.

I think i have the real world use or shall I say user that can actually show real world use covered now. I will do my report. Pretune it then pass it off and see what he comes up with.

This is the best I can really come up with for the OC community/workstation crowd which I think its marketed more towards.

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Before you pass it off,
BF3/4/1 is not HT/SMT aware but can utilize 13 threads or 8cores 100%
Fluidmark can use 12cores 100%
remember physx tanking with amd cpu, but what about now


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhM_-QWgKyY

Yah i am aware.

I am also aware of results like this.


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That leans towards a potential way for me to "use" the cpu for my needs and follows my mantra of chasing the best performance possible. If the trend continues which i will not confirm or deny the 12c model smt disabled could be desirable for gaming maybe even better than an 1800x.

Then we need to look at cost vs rumored cost.

Avg x370 $199 avg 1800 $450

Vs rumored pricing of $800 1920x and boards in the $400? Range.

At that point it goes back to the price vs performance argument.

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Yah i am aware.

I am also aware of results like this.


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That leans towards a potential way for me to "use" the cpu for my needs and follows my mantra of chasing the best performance possible. If the trend continues which i will not confirm or deny the 12c model smt disabled could be desirable for gaming maybe even better than an 1800x.

Then we need to look at cost vs rumored cost.

Avg x370 $199 avg 1800 $450

Vs rumored pricing of $800 1920x and boards in the $400? Range.

At that point it goes back to the price vs performance argument.

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R5 1600x * 2 = 500
more cache memory and pci-e lanes = 300 :shrug:

Yep there are so many aspects to it and ways to look at it.

Windows 7 is trash for 32M.
I did not even bother to run copy waza nor use Windows 2003 TW like I used to do back in the days.
Just plain Windows XP with the usual registry trick and 5 running services.
CPU clock 4 GHz, DRAM frequency 2933 MHz, main timings 16-18-14-14-36-72 1T.

https://i.imgur.com/ZueZAkx.png

Cool.

Problem is when cold may have issues with add on cards and bclk.

Also no clue how it will like gen 1 but least its good for the 4.0 range.

Certainly will be problematic on c6h. That board needs bclk to be fast.

The gigabytes were the fastest thus far in our testing.

Very nice. I got some addon cards as well, but my system is not working atm, so I will get back to it when I get replaced what has died - hope that's the board and not the CPU.

I do not think thats an add on card.

Thats VM in linux at least it looks like it.

Btw the loops do not look "right" actually make no sense.

Is VM legal on bot?

Chew might be right, I just did some creative thinking. :D
No idea if it is legal or not, I like to mess around and play with things.

Yah i am not sure. If it is...still viable option

I'm sad your hosting for the images has thrown in the towel. Late comer to your thread and can't see anything.

Is there any rough consensus about who has the best ocing board for Ryzen?

VM is not legal (on bot) and those iterations are not correct, maybe someone was adjusting Mhz during bench?

Too easy to change VM performance to cheat benchmark results.

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I'm sad your hosting for the images has thrown in the towel. Late comer to your thread and can't see anything.

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I will see what i have for screenshots to fix it. Most of the pictures of hardware may be mia now.

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Is there any rough consensus about who has the best ocing board for Ryzen?

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Not really. Buy one based on features you need at the pricepoint that fits your budget. Avoid the cheaper vrm models.

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VM is not legal (on bot) and those iterations are not correct, maybe someone was adjusting Mhz during bench?

Too easy to change VM performance to cheat benchmark results.

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I do not like your accusations and the tone of your post.
Host OS is Fedora, how exactly would I change the CPU clock speed in Linux?
As long as I know there is not a single Linux utility that can do that and I sure as hell am not wasting my time writing one just to post a single screenshot in this thread.

I think he is just clarifying the rules for hwbot which i was unsure of.

Also as i pointed out the loops look out of wack.

One way to get that to happen aside from just being a buggy run is changing clocks on the fly so i think he is just making an observation mafio. :)

Nice touch!

http://3800z24.info/Ryzen/chew_lives.jpg

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I presume that's the "DRAM Channel VREF Voltage", since that's what shows as being 1/2 of default DRAM Voltage.
IOW, DRAM Voltage at default is 1.2V, and DRAM Ch VREF V at default is 0.600V
So being I'm running at DRAM V @ 1.36V, I should set VREF V to 0.725V?

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Unfortunately on my Titanium all I have for DRAM voltages is:
DRAM Voltage: Default 1.2V / Mine 1.35V
DRAM VPP Voltage: Default 2.5V / Mine 2.5V
DRAM CH_A VREF Voltage: Default 0.6V / Mine 0.6V
DRAM CH_B VREF Voltage: Default 0.6V / Mine 0.6V

Oh how I miss the days when terminology was much simpler :(

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Did you ever find out if our motherboards have setting for VTT DDR voltages?

Ive got a set of F4-3600C15D-16GTZ that are complete dogs and Im doing my best to work out why!

Cheers

Hello.

Can someone give me some information.
I know it is not an Xpower, but in MSI krait B350, there are two jumper JOV1 and JOV2, I think it is jumper for overvoltage. (I think in Xpower also exist)
On the website and in the manual does not make any reference to these two jumpers.
I already inserted them, but in the bios neither option appears nor the voltage limit gets higher.
Maintains maximum vcore of 1.55v

Does it need any bios, or mod for the jumper to work?

They probably shut off the feature. 1.55v is already board death territory for b350 vrms..

OK thank you Chew

I wanted to try a larger OC in a 1300x.
so far with DICE, I only managed to go at 4.6Ghz.
with the cold bug imc / ram , at -70?C the memories do not rise more than 2400mhz + -.

air or Wc, my Bdie gskill do 3333 / 3466Mhz.
I wanted to test in Ln2 to see if I can get more in the memories, but I'm limited by the 1.55v on the CPU.

Get another board, to get more voltage.

I getting ready for my new water-cooled build.

Does the higher binned chips clock any better? Memory OC etc

chew* can you give me an advice of which chip to buy.

1700 vs 1700X vs 1800X

Thx

Hi Darknight.

Any web shop you can recommend in Portugal?
I have been looking at https://www.pccomponentes.pt

In portugal, Pccomponentes ( Spain/portugal) , Pcdiga ( portugal) , Alientech ( Portugal)

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I getting ready for my new water-cooled build.

Does the higher binned chips clock any better? Memory OC etc

chew* can you give me an advice of which chip to buy.

1700 vs 1700X vs 1800X

Thx

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1700 for a daily rig.

1800x if benching ln2.

Thank you.

Thx.

@ Chew,

You may want to let Asrock know that latest bios based on Agesa 1.0.0.0.6b has vcore issues when using P State overclocking. It will either immediately push vcore .05v + above what the same settings in Agesa 1.0.0.0. 6a bios is delivering or it will insidiously creep up in the background to .05 + over time, also it tends to get "stuck" at this max volt with very little undervolting when the cpu down clocks in idle.

This is all tested on X370 Fat Pro Gaming which as we know is pretty much the same board as the Taichi. Others on the Asrock forums have described similar overvolting/spiking with the Agesa 1.0.0.0.6b coded bios as well.

Due to changes required to fix the multi bug and from what I was told bios is in qualification and since the bug was related to vcore and or multi it makes it pointless to debug or report anything until those changes are implemented and we see how it effects things.

The inability to oc is a priority fix is basically what I am saying. Until fixed and have fix bios i would just be wasting my time and theirs.

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Due to changes required to fix the multi bug and from what I was told bios is in qualification and since the bug was related to vcore and or multi it makes it pointless to debug or report anything until those changes are implemented and we see how it effects things.

The inability to oc is a priority fix is basically what I am saying. Until fixed and have fix bios i would just be wasting my time and theirs.

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Sorry, just for clarification; are you saying they Asrock are aware of the problems with voltage over volting and overclocking with last 1.0.0.6b bios or they are unaware of the issue with voltage over volting and overclocking with P-states with last bios?

I'm saying until the changes are implemented for the newer cpu's and the multi bug which appears to be related to some voltage discrepancies screwing with anything or having them make changes until that priority bug is fixed is a waste of time.

cpu's stuck at 1500mhz or 2200mhz = priority 1

Fixing that will change things.

It's like throwing a waterpump on a car with a bad headgasket.....Problem 1 is headgasket fix that first, change waterpump after.....

Even if I wanted to report it I need to show them anyway.

My board with a bugging cpu is in Taiwan. My hands are tied until it returns.

Soooo Pinnacle Ridge (Zen+) in maybe March 2018? Who wants in?

depends on the improvements. some tweaks here and there ..slightly higher clocks. can only be good. but i hope they take the opportunity to fix up their design as much as possible. such as:

Improved IMC
Improved scheduling
Improved turbo (Ryzen turbo is quite fussy)
Improved inter-CCX communication
Improved branch prediction
AVX and other instruction set support/optimization
Critical path optimizations
Tweaking for lower power
Tweaking for higher clocks
Decently revised process.

although zen2 is more likely to have more attention....but thats another year away at least....best to make themost of the PRidge revision...

but the amd roadmap says that Pinnacle Ridge is "Summit Ridge architecture" ...so i'm guessing fat chance its anything but a process shrink....but im hopeful that its more than that, with some minor design refinements of the cpu/stepping

I dont think ryzen turbo is fussy. I think it works exactly as intended. A quick bolt on of phase change verifies this.

Since amd has forever made a server chip and downgraded from there for desktop one must look at the environment server boards are specced to run at.

A climate controlled cold room.

A quick trip outside this winter shoving pc in window dialing system in stock should verify what i saw on phase change. Turbo speeds that "stick" while running workloads mainly because the turbo feature is based on temp sensors.

I think Intel still has a more aggressive Turbo. I am also curious to see some core tracking while running benchmarks and compare AMD vs Intel and see how the clocks and thread scheduling compares.