another 3 weeks aren't going to kill you...
no matter how BD is going to turn out i'm sure that we'll see at least some price drops on sandy bridge after launch ;)
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Yeah you've lasted that long with that E6600 another few weeks is nothing, lol.
I had an E6600 once. I really enjoyed that chip. It was first-run silicon and I could get the system to POST at 4.4 GHz on the DFI ICFX3200-T2R/G I had. It wasn't stable or anything, but just being able to even get to the Windows loading screen on a 2006 CPU at that frequency is pretty impressive. It could even run low-intensity software like CPUID off of Ultimate Boot CD and such. Fond memories.
So when is the actual BD release date and when is SB-E coming out? also whats the difference with SB and SB-E?
AMD does not need to release any info. Those who make AMD money by buying 1000s of chips everytime, they already know what bd can do. Those other 5 people in all forums saying they need benchmarks early does not bother AMD much. There is no benefits of releasing benches early.
Won't be long now folks,be patient. 3 weeks or so and the wait is over.
You forgot some later suckage comments that might be posted:
When we do finally get a non-fake benchmark Leak which looks good for BD: "The xyz benchmark looks great for BD. But what benchmark will it suck at?"
Later if we get an entire review showing good results for BD: "This review looks good for BD. But the reviewer sucks so BD must also."
When we get a review from a "trusted" reviewer (if it doesn't show BD sucking): "So it seems BD looks pretty good at this time. I wonder how bad it will suck after IB is released."
And Hypothetically if everything and everyone in the world shows it performing slightly better then the similarly priced Intel chip: "It's AMD so it sucks that it costs that much."
Those people that are waiting for it need to take their mind off it or those 3 weeks will feel like a year lol.
another way to think about it is that intel 2500k is really, really, really good, like best cpu overall ever.
so even if bulldozer is REALLY good too, it won't be that much better, and half these guys will end up getting sandy bridge anyway. all that wait for a $20 price drop. my oh my
The best place to hear how totally awesome an Intel part is: Any AMD post in the news section. Double time if the original post was positive about AMD in anyway, that is just asking for trouble.
Don't hate because intel has a better chip.its sad that the second intel gets brought up you see the amd fan boys say something.I would bet anything that if bd clocked to 6ghz on air that you guys would have a field day on the forums.
Fact is right now sandys are better and they clock to 5ghz
the 200$ 2500K is easily the best current gaming cpu for the price, but this is only because of how few games care about having more than 3 cores
with amd the cpus might not clock as high or have as good as IPC, so thuban with more cores is a great well rounded cpu for an incredible price (a 1055T overclocked past 4ghz shouldnt lag behind in many games at all)
if you have ONE need, then you can find the PERFECT cpu,
if you have MULTIPLE needs, then chances are there is NO PERFECT cpu.
Makes what horrible? The fact that no one can bring up sandy bridges performance without being called a fanboy?bd is going up against sandy and im sorry but we are going to compare them and bring up sandy strong points.
That is fine in a thread about comparing the two, the problem is when someone dumps a boat load of "Fact is right now sandys are better and they clock to 5ghz" in a thread that has nothing to do with Intel parts. Hence the term thread dumping, it instantly turns the thread into a shouting match and it never needed to happen. This is how you tell the fanboys from the fans. I don't hate Intel, I own an i7, but seeing the same jerks try to rip apart every AMD thread they can gets really old.
You read the title of this thread ?
Does it say "Alternatives to bulldozer" ?
Or maybe "Bulldozer vs Sandybridge" ?
This thread should be about news about bulldozer, not statements like "2500k is awesome" .
2500k sucks.There you have it.
It makes as much sense as intel fanboys statements about 2500k being great, because we DONT HAVE ANY CREDIBLE INFO ABOUT BD YET, so how are you comparing them ?
Anyhow thats irrelevant as this thread aint about how 2500k smacks 1100T around(we dont have BD numbers ,so thats what they must be rambling on).
I bet mods are reading this.Am i wrong mods ?
Its always Intel fanboys going the distance to amd threads here and in amd section just to tell us how bad are amd cpus and how great are intel cpus.Ive never posted in intel section, cause i dont have any intel cpu.And i dont post about AMD cpus in the intel news ...
I expect the 8core parts to go head to head with (if not pass) the 990x in highly threaded workloads. Although I am a gamer there are many other things that can and will leverage the computational potential of more threads and that won't change any time soon. Rendering, encoding, folding, workstation multitasking ect. Its down to work load.
From a pure games only perspective having more threads ( than the norm today ) at your disposle isn't going to be overly benificial until we are dealing with engines that are designed for it. Now faster threads are where games will benifit today.
The dual core to quad core adoption rate was quite slow but despite this, multithreaded console hardware created a gradual influx of highly threaded game engines where the benifits can be seen on quad core hardware today (this wasn't the case when they launched). The same will apply to 6 and 8 + core processors but not until the bottleneck in software ( the game engine ) is removed and thats not going to happen until the next consoles release and even then not overnight. My point here is more cores will do little gaming wise today, but I'd be crazy to say I don't use my system for other things and that the status quo won't change in a few years time.
I havnt posted in the amd section in over 5 years.what I ment was sandy is out now and we know it clocks well and nobody knows how high a bd will clock.
If it comes out to be a monster I will get it but I hate the fact that this board is so sensitive when someone brings up intels chips.the thread dosnt have to be about the directly as bd is ment to go head to head with sandy.
Bulldozer will appear in mid-June probably at computex. As you can probably read BD has generated quite bait of anxiety as people await performance of final silicon. The leaked performance data so far either is faked or is too low to be even remotely believable, generally written off as premature early engineering samples.
SB-E is the next rev of the high end desktop parts. Similar to the relationship if the current i7-900 series to the mainstream i7-800 and i5 parts. Unlike the current SBs (2300,2500,2600) the SB-E will not have graphics integrated and will have a few items different (more L3 cache, quad channel memory, and likely more PCIe lanes built into the CPU).
The SB and BD clash is shaping up to become legendary.
Cry, cry don't talk about intel, come on guys, its a duopoly ffs of course they will be compared, are your lives that protected that people comparing CPUs is affecting you????
With the Intel name being mentioned in this thread so much i thought i should compensate by posting AMD few times..
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That should be enough.
For great justice!
I could ramble on about why this maybe that and so on but...
Oh gawd, please stop........
I want to believe o_O
Show me the BD!
This almost sound like a freaking "religious cult" or something
" I want to believe... "
Common guys... this is starting to be pathetic ...
There it is - military grade throughput optimized processor:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_otMKl0CFmu...-bulldozer.jpg
And all you have to do is let it loose here. :D
:banana::banana::banana::banana:!
Please stop all this off topic crap. Can people please refrain from posting until we actually have something to talk about? Like say screenshots?
Next---> wow, i only have 73 posts :eh:
What comparions? Oh wait yeah we already have the performance numbers of Bulldozer.
zzz
I wish we'd get a release date. I'm tired of waiting for what seems like forever.
My issue isn't with comparisons themselves. It is with people trying to subvert threads to attack the "enemy" brand, the comparisons are just tools to accomplish this.
If I had a thread about a Zacate based netbook that cost $350 and someone started screaming that the Zacate was worthless because the ULV chip in a $1200 ultralight was superior: is this a comparison or just someone trying to lash out at a brand name?
I'm not saying I am above petty squabbling (I hate Apple, so I should stay out Apple threads for instance), but I'm willing to admit that. Some of the people here will not only deny they attack brand names but will try to justify it. If you call them out on it you get your "Cry, cry" or "Fanboy" mud slinging, they actually get angry when you point out their trolling. Pretty awesome.
You forgot mentioning the people that are not making comparisons but are posting their unsupported opinions about how a different brand is better. (And if somebody notices the lack of relevant content in their post they cry about how they are being badgered for posting a "comparison".)
PREDICTION: Based on past release histories:
1. If BD is awful they will be here dancing in joy and trolling with abandon.
2. If BD does well in one category but not as well in another they will tout the latter and do everything in their power to make it seem that the former is not important.
3. If BD is exactly equal to similarly priced Intel chips they will be here claiming that Intel is better because they have chips that cost 4 times as much and perform 15% better.
4. If BD is vastly superior they will be here claiming it doesn't matter since it goes against their opinion. (Or they will just disappear for awhile. But they'll be back... like a bad rash.)
It is a type of cult, a cult of shared identity. No matter how pathetic the cult/religious members are, no matter how many lies politicians spin to their constituents, no matter how desperately people "want to believe," there is always one thing that remains constant: shared cultural identity.
Shared cultural identity is greater then literacy, which is arguably the greatest force multiplier ever.
Shared cultural identity is comprised of three aspects: genetics, unique personal history, and culture. All three of which combine in a hegemony of power under duress of a common goal or struggle or suffering with common rules guiding behavior.
I like this.
that and they will say it dosnt matter since it would be competing with ivy bridge, even though its not out yet, and would find quotes about how SB is competing with BD instead of thuban, etc, etc..
i predict it will be priced nicely, and force prices to drop over the summer to where the 2500k could possibly go as low as 175$ after just a few months. who would get mad at that?
The 2500k is already $179 at microcenter :)
This is just sad.
AH yeah.. I dropped the ball on that one. Oops.
But as both you and Manicdan mentioned, if BD is shown to be vastly superior then they'll change:
FROM: "Thuban can't even compete with Lynnfield... so BD will never be able to do anything against SB".
TO: "BD wasn't supposed to compare to SB it was made to compete with IB since AMD stole all the architecture in BD." (And we'll also see a lot of SB-E comments.)
Ah yes... thanks for the reminder. I forget this is the interwebs we can't be having logic thrown around. After that someone would try to use COMMON SENSE!
The truth is often painful to some people.
Tweaktown has some more insight on the recent gigabyte "leak":
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/19646/...ank/index.html
Very convincing arguments for somebody deliberatly trying to get Colin into trouble.
internet bullying redefined ^
So what you guys are saying is that if bd is strong then the intel fans will start doing what the amd fans have been doing since Conroe with the whole denial, making excuses and flooding threads with complantes if unfavourable comparisons are drawn? Ahh then the cycle will be complete and the intel fans can be the crazy ones again just like the pentium 4 days.
Those kind of arguments always spark my interest in human behaviour.
If they are advanced users comparing core counts (4 vs 8) and architecture (cache, clocking, memory support), why does die size and actual core size get often ignored by most fanboys?
AMD obviously designed a smaller, more compact core which allows them to fit in more. Intel on the other hand went the HT route with bigger cores.
In my opinion all that should matter to end-users and especially reviewers are price points - you get the performance that your budget allows for. No fanboy excuse on how to look at the products and architecture should influence that... :shrug:
Well, both intel and amd fanboys dont live in the reality.But in the never never land where only what they like matters.
Intel fanboys are living currently in reality that intel isnt f-kin up whole oc community ,and that price doesnt matter.
AMD fanboys dont realize that most of the time even six core 1100T is slower than a 4core lynnfields.
Intel fanboys dont realize that it rarely matters tho in the real world usage.
AMD fanboys fight like a champs defending a company which doesnt care about them and plans to f-em up just like Intel does now to its own sheeple.
Its all illogical.But people like to fight.
I just wish there would be more technical DISCUSSION and not just out of ass "thats bettah oneh eh meh aint no ?" .Yea, its all sad.
These companies should FIGHT FOR US, not we for them..
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Reading through an entire thread, half of which is BS, or simply asking a question?
Shesh, could have said June 20th (which is HOW many pages back? I couldn't even find it, had to Google it).
I really hope there's a decent supply. A paper launch would really piss a lot of people off.
Well, given they are launching the desktop processors first and Servers are another quarter off... I'd opine and therefore logically suggest that there ideally would be no shortage... unless the demand for it is outripping supply...
Or, a scenario where Intel comes up with one of those marketing schemes from past where a reseller would get Intel stuff cheaper as long as they undersell AMD... Something which they got sued for :P
Maybe a little nostalgia from a legend that helped define an era will ease the tension a bit. Has nothing to do with Bulldozer though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh44QPT1mPE
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Do we know if the motherboards that will support BD processors will provide 2x16 PCIe lanes for Crossfire or they will have 2x8 like the SB platform ?
Also anyone knows any rumors about how strong/fast will be the HDD support compared to ICH10 and P67 Express Chipset ? I guess they will provide native support for Sata x 6Gb/s and not only from some Marvell controller am i right? What about USB3 ?
yes, 890FX can 2x 16 PCIe too, 990FX is very simillary
pfff i guess i was away from AMD platform for a very long time now and i have missed even the most obvious facts. I guess that's why i am very interesting about the new BD processors.
Is the provided SATA performance from 8-series boards in pair with ICH10 and P67 Express chipset and most important for me does anyone has any informations about the SATA performance of the new 9-series ?
I can say that the only thing i know is that nForce chipset wasn't very good at HDD benchmarks comparing to Intel chipset. Is the same thing happening with AMD chipset boards too?
I apologize if my questions look very stupid to you people but as i said i was away from AMD platform for a really long time and i am finding BD a very good reason to give them a try in the near future.
I had a shot to get a cheap SB chip in a trade, which fell through. That said, I'm looking towards AMD now.
I'll have to peruse this 36 page thread looking at actual benchmarks (I haven't seen any yet!). 16x/16x makes me happy. Doing SLI on dozer seems kick ass from every perspective.
Only question I have (which can't be answered) is what type of OCing are we looking at and is air enough or do we need water for max OC?
AMD Bulldozer architecture by Franck Delattre - Hardware.fr
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/3e0723d...76aed91606.jpg
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However, AMD's architecture has great assets in his pocket, and is able to make a nice career. The flexibility of the modules versions promises to more than 8 cores in the near future, and if the frequencies are at the rendezvous, the performance will be present, especially in multi-threaded processing.
Great article :up:Quote:
Still, it will still be patient. If the first sample Zambezi begin to be distributed, the launch should not occur before July. It will take a little longer to judge the effectiveness of the new architecture into practice and see if AMD has won his bet, an appointment can not miss it!
Am I late with this?
http://news.mydrivers.com/Img/20110513/S09073272.jpg
BTW since when was this thread moved to the AMD section? I thought it was in the news section
i was wondering how good 80k is, when phsyx is activated, lol
For comparison, here is the Vantage CPU score of 2600K@5GHz with 560 Ti PhysX:
http://img.pconline.com.cn/images/up..._1024x1024.jpg
Now the only question is how trusty the leakage is :)
the 560 in the SB score is also overclocked,
so the BD one is somehow +30% more efficient when clock rates of the gpu are taken into account
(15% faster score, with a 15% slower gpu)
just compare cpu test 1.. physx only works at test 2.. my Q9650 @4.5ghz gets 2300 plans/s :D
and that image needs more pixels :yepp:
http://www.abload.de/img/7643945_1305216407675_clap.jpg
CPU-Z seems faky ... :p:
Real legit is this one from the CPU-Z's author himself :
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/3e0723d...76aed91606.jpg
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/833-...bulldozer.html
Seems all of those CPU-z are not fake. Their instruction set are ordered in same arrangement.(sse4.1,4.2,4A,x86-64......) Maybe for different internal use.
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BTW socket name is AM3b, not AM3+
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/32f02b7d8c.jpg
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Any necessity to reconsider this FAKE is fake or true?
http://www.rumorpedia.net/wp-content...dbulldozer.jpg
So which is it, fake or not? I guess if its legit, it beats a 5GHZ i7-2600k in those CPU tests?
RussC
nearly 6k planes is a little unreal. considering it would be at stock clocks and using up to 125W of power, while the SB is probably way past 125W to reach 5ghz, which then makes BD look insanely more efficient than SB
That's hard to tell. The file property of the original image has:
http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...am/Capture.jpg
That needs some analysis if anyone is interested :p:
Ya, those performance #s seem to good to be true! We all know what that means :rolleyes:
RussC
That score seem to be inline with the with earlier leaks, isn't it? (Did we even have any vantage scores earlier?? I am getting confused in all this :rofl: )
Interesting is, again we have 3.8GHz listed. Is this fixed turbo? Normal? Idle? Only 95W? the 8110 is indeed supposed to have 95W TDP, it's the 3rd model in line. So why 3.8Ghz??
When you paste a screenshot into CS to save/resize it, it's going to have CS listed as orgin. End of analysis, or did I miss something? :)
You sir are right!
Maybe this is the reason why AMD can afford to launch BD on the desktop first. With high prices of CPU's they will be able to meet demand (low volume)!
Normally server always launched first for AMD because of higher profits and lower volume. This time it's the opposite! Who knows? Maybe FX is not coming back without a reason :p:
i dont think its physically possible for it to be that strong
5775 planes on 8 cores at 3.8 ghz, would be 3800 (almost exactly) with 4 cores and at 5ghz, which means that BD with 4 cores would be worth as much as the best sandy bridge, and the hexcore intel chips would also be raped, and this would make the first launch of BD be in the price range of 300 to 1500$
sounds very unlikely to me