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Originally Posted by bill_d
I'd pay to see that movie. I'm serious I would.
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Originally Posted by bill_d
I'd pay to see that movie. I'm serious I would.
Admins!!!
Sweet. Get to finally swing my shiny ban hammer.
Oh, come on! That's not fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
I was just getting out the popcorn :ROTF::rofl:
And hope it's a permanent one. That was just stupid and way below XS level :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
Anyway so from what I can pick up among all the noise, we can safely say:
1- We'll see a hard launch with limited quantities available until next year.
2- The card will be around 15% faster than 480 but run cooler and have a higher O/C headroom.
3- $599 price at launch.
4- Cooler mounting holes are the same.
Damn, her thighs look like drum sticks. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by dengyong
http://www.womansday.com/var/ezflow_...show_image.jpg
Damn, I'm hungry! sorry for OT
Any reason the GTX480 waterblocks won't fit these cards as far as anyone can tell?
Im looking for an excuse to buy one and I can get a 480 block cheap. I'm most defineately waiting to see how the 6970 pans out but I'm tempted to once again go Nvidia for a couple relavent reasons (namely noticeably better performance at my resolution and better performance in a few games I invest lots of time in ). Given the 480 seems to do a good 25-30% more than the 5870 at "1680x1050" plus it scales better with clocks / cooling, I'm hoping the 580 continues this trend. Sure some may say thats overkill but I personally enjoy 120fps gaming over 60 so to each their own.
Now as for a $600 price tag, unless Cayman is garbage I don't see this price holding up for long. I hope to see it replace the 480 in price which should be considered reasonable all things considered so far.
Or Intel vs AMD, or Windows vs Linux vs MacOS... :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Carbon_Unit
A few part numbers showing up on various sites...
EVGA 015-P3-1580-AR 772mhz core 1536mb
EVGA 015-P3-1582-AR 797mhz core 1536mb
PNY VCGGTX580XPB 1536mb
ASUS ENGTX580/2DI/1536MD5 1536mb 772mhz core, 4008mhz GDDR5
Pricing is showing at $550 but the site's been about $50 over on the past couple of launches, so I'm guessing $499 is the MSRP here.
From the PCB shots I saw earlier, you could mistake the cards for each other easily, it looks like a decent match. Of course it's probably best if you wait for reviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chickenfeed
If I'm not mistaken, there is also an option to delete every single post in this thread that is off-topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
You mean like 29 pages? :eek: :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim
dont you wish they had standardized gpu mounting holes such as how you got standardized cpu mounting brackets for intel/amd?Quote:
Originally Posted by Iconyu
Being able to re-use the full cover block would be nice, at least coming from GTX480.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimitriman
Hehehe, not bad, so one of the leak that i've caught seems to be true then, and i extrapolated quite correctly, ending up with US$ 499-549 USA MSRP. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Now, let's see whether HD 6970 US$ 429-449 MSRP & HD 6950 US$ 349-369 MSRP leaks came true too. :p:
non reference PCB ?
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1...1231031923.jpg
http://www.costcentral.com/proddetai...8GGX/11239677/
Galaxy model 58NLH5HS8GGX $506.00
Good eye...Quote:
Originally Posted by cold2010
3VGA is simply THE preferred AIB partner of nVidia (like 3VGA GTX 460 FTW cards sent directly from nVidia for spoiling Bart launch) right now, i think the PCB is reference design but specially marked for 3VGA as preferential treatment for them.
Wonder if we'll see anything out of PDX Lan 16.5... they said there's some under-NDA item being revealed there by nvidia at 7pm PST (30mins from now).
I'm sure that the MSRP is USD499
In my country Inno3D already pre order for USD 550
There's a 10% off VGA promo at newegg, would be awesome if these hit in-stock before it expires on the 12th :D !Quote:
Originally Posted by xlimit
With GPU's you're cooling the ram, VRM's and core. With CPU's you just cool the core, so it's a lot easier for you to standardise. You imagine a cooler that would do the same for motherboards and you see the problem more clearly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimitriman
Info is due soon.
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/640...ooiieqkwz7.jpg
Someone supposedly at PDXlan:
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=170
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Originally Posted by TheBlueChannell
Even better than GTX 285! So lets name it... GTX 580!!!!! :rofl::ROTF::rofl::ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrea deluxe
I guess neliz @ b3d was right.. they're going to harp on it being quieter and cooler...
And that is a bad thing because? Because it's NVIDIA?Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
Tuesday can't come soon enough.
No its a very welcome improvement but hopefully they have more to brag about than just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vardant
whats so funny about a cooler, faster and quieter 480?being the fastest single gpu chip is the goal lets see tuesday then when ever amd get thier hotter faster chip out(delayed i hear from fud)
prices look okish, if there to be believed.
looks like a 5870 and 5970 cooler so this thing is going to be relatively quiet :DQuote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
that's why I got an arctic cooler as soon as it came out, since 5970 is so quiet:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by generics_user
nVidia has gotten so many beatings by
ATI fans because of the GTX480 was hot and noisy
when they do something about it suddenly means nothing.:rolleyes:
if it turns out that AMD 6970 is a hot running card to, i look forward to see all the jokes about nuclear power and food-making potensial from those who went so much up in it with nVidia running hot.:)
Unreleased NVIDIA GPUs powering first showing of Call of Duty: Black Ops PC game play!
http://www.youtube.com./watch?v=oCPMHIDpT88
Well, Im not an ATI fan, more biased towards nVIDIA actually. BUT if the cooler and quieter are ONLY derived from the new cooling solution, and the chip is essentially the same.. thats a big disappointement.. However, im expecting something quite diferent :DQuote:
Originally Posted by E30M3
The guy from Alien Babel Tech, has the card and is reviewing it. He gives some nice hints..
Thread:http://www.alienbabeltech.com/abt/vi...22010&start=70
talking about 2D ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
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Originally Posted by E30M3
I would be more interested in food making potential , I'm not so big on potensial or potassium or whatever it is
Okay 10-4Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
Criticising a users typing as a form of "clever comment" is lower down the wit chain than sarcasmQuote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
amd fanboys make jokes about nvidia.
nvidia fanboys make news threads and call the police on amd..
It's nice that Nvidia has finally understood the importance of stock cooling. With a better cooler the chip will leak less power and we get less noise too. I hope Cayman will have good cooling too. :yepp:
What did the police do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimitriman
when they called them,did they arrest AMD???
ye amd got arrested several times on accusations of unlawful optimizations of the af code and disruption of nvidia code of dominance.Quote:
Originally Posted by E30M3
Ye, and nVIDIA was arrested for doing Tesselation in software :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimitriman
Seriously, cant people cut the crap, and talk about what matters? :shrug:
The aliens demo was impressive. Till now we have been fed tesselation basically as a new LOS technic. This demo shows its true potential as something more than just improving static eye candy, but using it to dinamically change models based on game actions.
Unreleased NVIDIA GPUs powering first showing of Call of Duty: Black Ops PC game play!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCPMH...layer_embedded
:up:
It's not bad. Just amusing since a) Nvidia didn't really care much about these two when launching Fermi, and b) it seems like they are not [aiming to get] getting the performance crown this time no matter how big their chip is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vardant
Um, dude, the very same thing is posted like 8 posts above yours on the same page.Quote:
Originally Posted by LinkinParkBoy
If you pay attention to the graph, they are compeering the noise, not the performance. GTX285 was a pretty quiet card, and if GTX580 can beat it, then it's a good achievement for a card with this kind of performance and power usage.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
So it's a really welcome move, and impressive achievement. Why would you or that neliz-guy have any objection that they use it as a point?
This thread needs some
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMk9xLTjF88
Because its a GTX580??? Maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
If thats all that a GTX580 is, it shouldnt name GTX485 or GTX490!
Dont get me wrong, I AM an nVIDIA fan, but I dont have my eyes shut...
"The water boils and it cools the fins." :clap: This guy has no idea what he talks about, a true marketing guru no doubt. I especially like the "a couple of years ago we had a part called the 285" well that was last year, he doesn't even know their own products.Quote:
Originally Posted by LinkinParkBoy
But seems like a good cooler well just 2 more days.
The point is, that graph is not talking about performance. It's talking about noise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Picao84
Maybe it's a "fake" new generation, and can't fill the expectations we all have from a new generation. I've personally talked about this before, but we don't know it for sure yet, the real and final performance-gain remains to be seen.
But AMD has started the fake- generation-game with 68xx in this round, and maybe they will both try this number-game until they run out of numbers. We have to wait and see.
No, AMD released a NEW CHIP.. That they called it 6800 instead of 6700 has nothing to do with it. 6800 does have, in fact, better tesselation than 5800, among other features. This GF110 just looks like a GF100 done right, and with a bifier cooler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
Nobody is saying 68xx didn't introduce changes, it has evolved and got better, but we all have expectations about performance-gain and power usage for a new generation, that usually requires a shrink to achieve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Picao84
As a minimum 6870 should beat 5870 to deserve it. It didn't happen, so it's a "fake" new generation, for sure.
It remains to be seen if Cayman or GTX580 can deserve a new first-digit, but AMD has already started the number-game in this round. So it won't surprise me if none of them could stand to the expectations for a new generation. We have to wait and see.
You would be right, IF 6800 was the higher performing single GPU. Which is NOT. The 6970 will be. Following that logic, there would have to be also a GTX590 SINGLE GPU, for things to be equal, and nVIDIA not be criticized. But, as far as we know, there ISNT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
noise and temps are very important to me, so i love that they focus on that...
but... i dont like how they present it as their own tech and invention and idear...
i mean vapor chambers have been around for quite a while...
am i the only one who thinks its weird that the only thing they talk about when it comes to the 580 is the heatsink? a third party component? hmmm
then again, its just a pre-launch leak...
which makes it a pre-pre-paper release
and a pre-pre-pre-release
and a pre-pre-prep-pre cards are available in some shops in some regions
hah... really funny huh?
in the 21st century both hw and software companies have managed to fully streamline introductions of new products :D
everything is available or presented a LONG time (to some extend) before retail availability :D
What I cant understand is WHY they didnt go with this solution for original GTX480! That is the only thing that still gives me some hope. There must something else dammit :D
Or then, they are only admitting their own stupidity, which would be also a first :D
Well they achieved what they needed to with the 480 which was simply enough to take the single gpu pole position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Picao84
Just cause they have no more time to fix it, they was allready 5-6month late... at the moment they have find a way to release the GTX480 and 470, they have do it .... ( and it look like the solution, was to disable what was buggy ). then It seems they have continue to work on it and there you get the GTX580...Quote:
Originally Posted by Picao84
Or maybe they just messed up on the design of Fermi and it was really hard to get the process down. Now they've had some more experience, and the 580 can actually be produced at reasonable yields etc. but they needed a product out 6 months agoQuote:
Originally Posted by Picao84
This was in the rumor mill last week.
I think nv always wanted all the added functions and epp for the fermi.
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Colleagues over at Nordic Hardware heard NVIDIA sacrificed the high-performance computing (HPC) functionality of Fermi to make the GeForce GTX 580 a smaller, more efficient card that's more suitable for the retail market. If the rumors are right, the card uses a 40nm GF110 GPU with 512 CUDA cores but has 300 million transistors less than the GeForce GTX 480 due to the canning of the HPC part. GPU clockspeed is said to be 775MHz, with 1544MHz shaders and 1536MB GDDR5 clocked at 4008MHz.
"According to sources it can be as many as 300 million transistors that NVIDIA has been able to cut in this way. The effect is that GF110 will be a GPU targetting only retail and will not be as efficient for GPGPU applications as the older siblings of the Fermi Tesla family. Something few users will care about.
The latest information that has reached us are said to be the final specifications for NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580. These were published at it168.com and strengthen the information we received earlier. There we can clearly see how NVIDIA beside processing units also raised the clock frequencies for both memory and GPU. This was made possible through a more mature circuit manufacturing where NVIDIA has managed to lower power consumption of GF100 with 10-15% without any physical alterations. This gave the comany more margin to work with."
I doubt there will be any availability problems due to low demand in this price category and the maturity of the process node. And of course a lot of people will simply wait for Cayman before making a decision. This still won't be the fastest card around when Nvidia touts it as the fastest GPU. 15-20% is easy with the full 512 cores and some architectural tweaks, no need to go about cutting any GPGPU stuff. I'd be shocked if something like that happened after Nvidia has put so much effort into Cuda marketing.
http://gallery.mailchimp.com/f2a7334..._HDO_Offer.jpg
It looks like is taking orders to deliver Monday :D
CUDA != Dual Precision, ECC, Large Caches, etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantsu
CUDA started with G80 and this chip didnt feature any of the above..
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Originally Posted by Kuroimaho
Pretty fail post.. it was January of 09.. one year and 10 months ago. That's basically a couple of years.
Nice nitpick attempt though.
Of course I didn't mean dropping Cuda or something like that. Simply that touching the GPGPU performance would look bad when they have touted it so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Picao84
That will be quite interesting changing GF110 heatsink with GF100's one in order to see the efficiency of vapor chamber, no ? :D
Advertising 30% faster in Vantage and seeing the PR slides stating a quieter and cooler 480 does not bode well for in game performance as much as I was looking at...Quote:
Originally Posted by Metroid
How much is that price in comparison to the GTX 480 etc. so we can get an idea of how much this is going to cost in USD?
Impressive if stable on air. Do like.
seems like someone really had some fun with the red paint brush, eh?
i mean... even the fanspeed? CMON... :<
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Originally Posted by SKYMTL
:up:
"We've contacted multiple NVIDIA board partners about the upcoming GTX580, and it's looking like a :banana::banana::banana::banana:storm..."
"Unfortunately for some of the manufacturing partners, it seems at this early stage that NVIDIA has failed to make them aware of it!
We contacted four of NVIDIA's top partners on the phone this afternoon, and we've paraphrased the conversations below:
Atomic: Hi {A}, we were wondering when we'd be able to get a review sample of the new GTX580? We were told to expect them roughly by the 9th of November.
Partner A: We're getting some in mid November. You'll be getting one then.
Atomic: Hi {B}, when will we be getting one of your GTX580 cards?
Partner B: We're not actually sure. Stock might be in by December, but we haven't got a confirmation at this stage.
Atomic: Hi {C}, when can we expect the new GTX580 card?
Partner C: ....We don't have that card on our roadmap. Does it exist?
Atomic: Hi {D}. So, how's about that new GTX580?
Partner D: We're getting stock in soon, so expect the card shortly."
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/News/237...ch-flawed.aspx
LOL, good one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying duck
I've been speculating that nVidia has been hiding this card (keeping it secret) to drop it from clear sky on Cayman.
Judging from these conversations, apparently they did a really good job, so good that even partners had no idea about the storm that is blowing on Cayman now.
Cant understand what they are trying to show there :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by cold2010
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Originally Posted by Flying duck
Actually, this seems correct when you look at the post above.
"Home delivery only. Direct from our main warehouse." etc.
Seems like nvidia HAS been shunning partners in favour of it's own brand supply chain
Really ? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
It seems so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
Partners claim they have not been well updated on the cards, nvidia suddenly starts selling them instead.
Pic for proof. Only available via nvidia's own channel? It comes across as such, at least for the immediate future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metroid
No novatech stock, scan, aria, newegg?
New subject for Charlie ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
Seriously, let's wait for launch and see what's what. My money is still on cards being available by year end...contrary to what Charlie says. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
Plus, if you ask ANY board partner about this card, they will plead the fifth. Why? Well, because they are under a very strict NDA due to all the leaks that happened with past launches. :up:
Who knows?Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
Maybe they'll restrict supply to nvidia channels only for a month or so until they have more stock.
It's one way of paper launching to reap the gouging profits of initial release without paying a middleman partner profits or letting webstores also profit.
Nvidia keeps a £399 (that's 645 dollars by the way) price until it's SMASHED down by AMD and then partners have the floodgates unleashed.
maybe :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
Maybe... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
Middleman? Partner? What are you on about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
NVIDIA's board partners continue to be the only ones selling directly into the retail / supply channel. Past a specific promotion where Best Buy ASKED for NVIDIA-branded cards, you won't see anything but partners' cards being boxed up and shipped into the channel.
So Nvidia might be selling these directly for the first bit instead of through partners?
If that's true, then Charlies information (board partners not having cards) may be spot on, while his claim about there being no cards may be dead wrong.
That's what I love about SA. They seem to have better sources than anyone else, but their commentary is always produced through a Nvidia-will-fail-reality-distortion-field. It makes for an incredibly fun read, and you can even glean some information when you take Charlie's blatant bias into account.
Except for in the picture I just posted proving this wrong. You know, the one where nvidia brands and boxes the cards themselves and screw the partners.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
Partners might get token cards but will be blueballed on actual quantitative supply until nvidia has farmed the initial release cheese from their own sales initiative.
What I'm "on about" (go learn business pronto) Is a thing called profiteering.
People don't work for free and there is a ponzi chain of business profit all the way from factory to shop floor.
Nvidia designs cards, sells them for x money.
Partner creates/receives then supplies money for x money + pp (partner profit)
Web store or real world store receives card stock from partner and sells it for x + pp + sp (store profit)
Stop trolling about such obvious things as middlmen. EVERYONE knows this basic stuff.
Nvidia blueball their partners, get initial gouged sales price with TWO LEVELS of the profiteering removed.
Is that ad legit? One thing I did notice is that there is no partner branding on that ad, just nvidia. So I would assume that whatever card is coming would come directly from their warehouse.
See HC?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
He gets it.
From how many cards charlie is saying is available, he saying thousands of cards and not tens of thousands. Even if each card was sold at 1 thousand dollars and they had 10,000 card to share, both of which is inflated according to what charlie has said to illustrate a point, they would only make 10 million dollars which is petty cash for a company with 900 million dollar quarters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
There would be no point and would just piss off the partners.
This is the gtx 580 thread and you have done nothing but troll in this thread.
What's HC :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
Another thing is the heat sink design is similar to the 480. I thought the design was a bit different than that?
Good point, it would only make sense if Nvidia wanted to go down this route permanently and with other product launches, maybe this is only another 'test' ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
You have to remember something... they have a shareholder call coming up in a few days. They need this out to please the shareholders, regardless of quantity #'s. It's easy to say "we have the fastest DX11 GPU out there" and "we're still innovating" if you can produce something like this, even if it isn't big on the marketQuote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
well one possible theory is that they are aware that if they sell it directly enthusiast consumers will buy at a better price that if you bought from retailers or partners. I do not think they are doing to piss off partners, but to make enthusiast consumers happyQuote:
Originally Posted by Flying duck
Yes. It is legit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
http://www.yoyotech.co.uk/item-detai...cts_id=4370723
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Originally Posted by Metroid
Original source: http://www.yoyotech.co.uk/item-detai...cts_id=4370723 it's not nVidia direct.
So what are nVidia going to do (according to jowy)? Release the card at an inflated MSRP to satisfy their own profit margin*, sell a few bundles for launch day then announce a price cut in a few weeks for when the partners are being supplied?
I thinks that's a little naive. I wouldn't happy if I was an Nvidia partner...Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
Can somebody explain why a yoyotech link is proof that nVidia is selling direct?
£399 is a good price for this card. Cheapest 480 is £310, some 480 are way above £399. Although I was expecting £349.
I would not consider it as a proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy
wow. do you understand the logistics of distribution and retail? it's in nvidia's best interest leave it to someone else. the reason why middlemen exist in the first place is to save the manufacturers money. the only tangible thing the AIB's do is put a sticker on the card, excluding custom cards. everything else is a service such as warranties, customer support, etc. yes, nvidia does that for quadro but that's a very different market where clients demand higher quality services such as custom drivers and 24hr support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
oh and just a question: why are you ranting about nvidia profiteering and not the AIB's? you blame nvidia for cutting them off yet you are ok with them profiteering throughout your arguments.:confused: who is allowed to profiteer?
I don't think it does at all, it just indicates that the particular vendor is drop-shipping them.Quote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy
yes, but you ain't a partner...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying duck