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I've got 6 (nearly 7) projects ready to report, how long does it normally take before it sends off?
Welcome.:) It depends on how big your work unit cache is. You can manually send in the completed units. Go to the Projects tab on the BOINC Manager and hit Update.
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I see ;) thanks.
Also you can change the frequency of which your hosts update by going into My Grid, then Device manage, Then Device Profiles. Down close to the bottom there is "Workunit Cache Settings". Change the "Connect to network about every" to what you want. I have 0.1 days on mine. And I also have it cache 3 or 4 days of work units. That way if the servers are offline, you're still crunching. When they come back online, upload the completed WU and you have no down time...hopefully! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Oztopher
I just joined last night. Not sure yet how the metrics will come across or when I'll be able to see any progress. I have about 8 machines running BOINC right now. Over the next week or so I'll scale it up to 15ish boxes running BOINC for 12++ hours a day. I have no idea how many tasks/jobs/hours/points that will total.
I've got a ton of questions but I think I'll lurk a bit first before I start asking.
Only question I have at the moment is do any of you write off part of your equipment or electricity for tax purposes? I'm pretty sure I'm going to see a hefty increase in power consumption - just not sure how many dollars that will translate to.
Welcome to the team.:) The tax issue has been discussed a number of times. I don't think anyone on our team has figured out a way to do it. If the machines you're running are in an office, there might be a way to write the cost off as a business expense. But you would need to talk to a tax expert about it. I've heard of someone who formed his own charity group and reportedly got a tax break. But that was not a member of this team.
Thanks. I think I'll just go out on a limb and write off whatever amount my wife starts yelling about each month.Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
At the office and in the data center I don't pay for electric so I'm not worried about that - but my bill is already $250/month at home, if it rises up to $400/month she'll go off the deep end :down:.
Does it matter what jobs/tasks I signed up for? I just checked them all and let it do its thing.
Hello? Your ears back to normal yet?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by winstontj
I would think that if in an office you'd just include the elec as part of your business costs just as you normally would.
Just that now they will be a tad higher.
Welcome to the team.:up:
Yes, my home electricity bills are quite high ($250-$330 a month).Quote:
Originally Posted by winstontj
Be careful on home-related tax write-offs. The guy who does my taxes says a lot of home office deductions, in particular, trip alarm bells at the IRS.
I see a potential pie thief emerging from the shadows..:rofl:
sorry to clutter up this thread with questions - feel free to move over to a new thread or more appropriate place.
Can you guys answer for me - why do my non-hyperthreadding CPUs seem to peg at 100% and sit while the hyperthreadding CPUs just bounce around like crazy from 10% to 99% on task manager?
Thx.
dual x5450 box:
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u...ding/x5450.png
dual w5580 box:
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u...ding/x5580.png
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I am running ONLY WCG/BOINC on the x5450 box and running a few other applications on the x5580 box if it matters. When I run other apps on the x5450 box it still stays steady though.
In advanced--->Settings you got only use 25% of your processors ?
Winstontj, you may need to log into the WCG website and check what your profile has listed for the number of cpu's. I know for my sr-2 rig I had to bump it up from 12 to 24 cores :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by winstontj
Time for another call..:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by winstontj
Go into boinc manager to your WCG page to device profiles and make sure that in the block for "Use at most" X processorsset it to 24 as that is the most you will use.
Then there is also a box where it says if cpu usage exceeds 25% boinc will stop.
Ikill that too.
What you need to do really is go and create a custom profile and set each setting to what suits you.
Takes a few minutes to do and then when done you can use that profile for all the machines
I have two dual w5580 boxes. One is set to use no more than 55% of CPU all the time simply because anything over 55% turns the fans on jet-engine high speed and its annoying. The other dual W5580 box is set to use up to 100% as long as the machine has been idle for more than 3 minutes. The dual 5450 boxes are the same, if idle > 3min, take 100% CPU.
All the network usage and connectivity stuff is set to zero since they are always connected to fast internet. When I log into the boxes that are set to use only if idle, they stop right away and CPU usage goes to minimal. I guess I'll play around with it and see what happens. I think because I'm new all my deadlines are set for 11/21 so it seems like now is the time to play around and get things setup properly.
Thx for the help so far.
Good luck and you know where to reach me if you need help.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by winstontj
:welcome: we get a member discount at beltone for hearing damage caused by Movieman's phone calls. :ROTF:
Ahh ok, will do that then, thanks :yepp: - done ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by retro77
Glad to help.
is the average work/work done for everyone or just the team? My work done is 1092.55 (since about 10am or so) and my average says 225.21. I'm also trying to shift as much of the work over to the bigger machines because one dual W5680 is far superior to two (or maybe three/four??) Q9650 boxes so the power draw will be much less. I just don't know what is ideal and turning them ALL on 24/7 isn't a realistic solution :)
OK i'm dumping all my n00b questions in here... sorry don't know where else to put it.
OK i have a machine crunching now but I need it for something in a little bit. Is there a way to tell it to finish up the current tasks but not start any new ones?
I'm sure that is a setting I just don't know how/what/where it is.
Thx.
I did that this morning in BOINC manager by highlighting all the tasks i didn't want it to take up and suspending them, leaving the current ones crunching. I think u can also tell it to not take up any other new tasks as well, in the projects tab.
On the Project tab, you can tell the client to not accept any new tasks. You can also tell it to suspend. The client automatically throttles back. I've even gamed on my cruncher while it was crunching.
thx guys, sorry again for all the n00b questions... These dell boxes really throttle up the fans so I'm going to need to turn them off at night so the wife can sleep.
What's n00b? j/k :rofl:
With us, there are no n00b's! Feel free to ask away. I know I did when I first started and I still do! :up:
When do these daily totals start to accumulate and post on the web?
On the WCG site (My Grid pages) your stuff starts to show up within 24 hours, normally.
App 8:15PM each nighton your WCG web page go to statsand then choose what you want to see..individuals,teams, day, total..Quote:
Originally Posted by winstontj
I feel another call coming..:rofl:
Well I guess that would take care of the hearing in the other ear as well...:yepp:
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Is this above or below average?
I have a few more machines I could install this on but I don't know if its worth it because they aren't dual-CPU machines.
thx.
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If you don't care about power costs or heat then run as much as you feel like but if the cost of power comes into thing AT ALL then I'd suggest only running the single core machines for things like Supercomputer Week. I currently have four single core machines and they just aren't very efficient, either in terms of power or work done for time taken, but they can lend a little more weight when there's an all out push on.
If you can afford the electric bill then run all them bad boys, every little bit counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by winstontj
I don't know the teams average but with 7 machines running and having that many points so soon, I'd be willing to bet you're well above average.:up:
Oh good... HVAC + Electricity are included at the office :D
Some WU can take a week or more to validate and show up. On the left hand side go to Results Status and choose Pending Validation. That will give you a better idea how you are doing. You can also check for errors and invalids there.
Numbers are tough to comment on without having a specific list, how many hours running,etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by winstontj
I always saw to people when they start, "Do what you can and whatever that amount is, it is the "right" amount.
Now blunt talk:
If your not paying the electric and the AC can handdle the load run them all or whatever your comfortable with.
Now this old fool needs sleep..:D
:welcome: all new members. We are glad that you chose to be a part of this great team. Movieman is just a phone call away. :eek: :ROTF:
Thank you all again- Everyone here is friendly and always available to help
Its 50/50 right now – I pay for home but the office is included in the rent. Unfortunately I have the 5580 and 5680 boxes at my apartment so I shut those down at night or when I’m not using them but there are enough at the office to crank out some decent numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Has anyone ever put together an analysis of work done vs. power consumption? For example, I have a hard time believing that two of my Pentium4 boxes would be worth it to run – they are old and consume a lot of power even when compared to a dual X5680 machine that is brand new. Is this the same for an E8600 compared to a Q9650 – that the work done per watt is going to be higher on the quad-core than on the dual-core? I don’t want to be running machines at my apartment that aren’t going to do much other than raise my electric bill. At the office on the other hand… :D
Below is a thread where members listed the power consumption on various computers.Quote:
Originally Posted by winstontj
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...er+consumption
An overclocked system will draw more power. We all know that. It's a matter of weighing the additional electricity cost versus the additional points/day. Many of the people here like to push their PC's to their limits. No different, I suppose, than people who want to see what their car's maximum speed is. Of course, the latter is likely illegal, while overclocking is not.:D
Many of the team members have Kill-A-Watt electricity usage monitors. The Kill-A-Watt will tell you how much power your system is drawing from the wall. You can usually find them for under $20.
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he's probably got all the new people's numbers already :rofl:
he's got my number :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
What does it mean points claimed vs. BOINC points granted? It seems like I'm always granted more points than I'm claiming? The ONLY exceptions were when I manually suspended tasks, powered down the machine and then resumed at a later date - it seems as though as long as I keep things running 24/7/365 then I'm always awarded more points?? Not sure how this really works??:confused:
WCG uses a quorum system on many projects. What that means is that the exact same work unit is sent out to at least two different computers. When both identical work units are completed and returned, they are analyzed to make sure there are no errors. Each computer is awarded a claimed credit using a formula you can find here:
http://www.boinc-wiki.info/Claimed_Credit
Since each computer in the quorum will have a different whetstone and dhrystone result, the claimed credit will differ among the computers.
There are several ways that granted credit is determined. When the quorum is only two, the granted credit is usually the lower claimed credit amount of the two.
http://www.boinc-wiki.info/Granted_Credit
The reason for the quorum system is that scientists like redundancy. They usually like to see the same work unit completed more than once.
A work unit is not validated until all the quorum participants have completed and sent back that unit. This explains why it can sometimes take up to a week to get a work unit validated. You may have completed the work unit. But the other participant, who's sometimes referred to as the wingman, may have a slower machine and take longer to complete the work unit.
By the way, the BOINC Wiki is an excellent source of information.
http://www.boinc-wiki.info/Main_Page
Clearly one that knows about that which he speaks. :rofl::up:Quote:
Originally Posted by SiGfever
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What did you say, let me turn up my Beltone hearing aid. Wait a moment, I see Movieman is calling. :shocked:Quote:
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Thanks sierra! My 980x is good for about 12-16 hours/day. Nothing like some of you but I'm trying!
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Thanks for the welcome sierra bound! :)
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Now assoon as your set up please contact Sigfever( Dr. Sig) and set up counseling sessions so that your state of mind is in the proper place.
He holds free sessions on the sixth Thursday of each month.
There are some special courses:
1) How to set up reminders to visit Newegg each Thursday night when the new add debuts.
2) Rooling credit cards:
The art of getting 75-100 cards each with a 5 figure limit and then using one to pay off the other while buying yourself thousands of dollars in top crunching equipment.
3) Setting up a remote mail address with the PO so that the Mrs doesn't see the bills from #2
4) The art of "borrowing" electric from your neighbors without them knowing about it.
Includes lectures on trenching after midnight.
How to tie into an electrical panel from the rear without turning yourself into toast
5) 3 five hour sessions on how to keepa poker face when the wife asks what your doing in your spare time.
6) How topack and disappear 3 years from now when your ponzi scheme with all those credit cards collapses on you like a ton of bricks.
This session is being handled by a pro. Some guy named Madoff I think..
First name of Bernie I think..A friend of Sigs..:D
Sounds like great fun Movieman ;)
I'm assuming these sessions are held in a secure location? At the premises of a server farm located in an underground, ex-nuclear bunker in Sweden perhaps? :D
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That would be me. ;)
Though my output isn't gonna be steady since I'm a software dev and I run a lot of other heavy things on my machines...
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