Yeah there can be variations between boards too - i'd double check real multimeter read voltages for CPU VTT, vdimm etc too - some boards might not be spot on (depends on psu used too) http://i4memory.com/f80/dfi-ut-x58-t...rements-16683/
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Yeah there can be variations between boards too - i'd double check real multimeter read voltages for CPU VTT, vdimm etc too - some boards might not be spot on (depends on psu used too) http://i4memory.com/f80/dfi-ut-x58-t...rements-16683/
thanks for the suggestion, eva2000.
Is there any list with BsoD's description related to X58 OC?
Finally, your new board starts to look like my old board. I have got the first DFI-batch (R.A51) and don't need more than VVT=1.21 (BIOS) either. But as Eva is saying, the actual VVT can can be higher.
My board has a kind of "intelligent VVT-regulator", and adjusts the VVT according to the application, and can go up to 1.26v (depending on the load, and the software you using to read it.
I don't have a multimeter and never checked it but it would be interesting to see how high the "real" VVT goes. I always thought that the CPU-batch would play the most important role on VVT, and your finding is new and interesting.
I wouldn't call it a problem, because it is actually helping to keep my voltages at lowest for 24/7 use. Actually I'm happy for this 'positive drop', because it works very consistence and I have never seen it "miss" or drop irregularly. It adjusts/regulates the VVT as needed without cosing instability.
When It passes HyperPi 32M @4.2(210x20) with only 1.25v VVT, then how can I (or you) dare to call it a "problem"? :rolleyes:
This 'positive drop' wasn't working on my old i7 920 C0, the VVT would idle at 1.32v and go up to 1.34v under load (with 1.34v BIOS set). But my w3520 idles at 1.23v and gos up to 1,24v under load, but it is "intelligent enough" to raise the VVT to 1,26v under "really demanding loads" like Linx and Hyperpi 32M. :)
hello , i recntly upgraded to DFI UT X58-T3EH8 from evga classified e-760 cause i burned it :(
after i finished install all the components i turn on the pc sec later it shut downs ... after 2 sec ... it turn on and sec later shut downs ... and it goes on and on in an endless loop ...
i think when my evga classified burned it take with it the cpu and mybe the memory sticks ...
i tried turning it on without the memory sticks and got the same result with the shut downs ...
what you all think ... what can be the reason?
What is the recommended BIOS version for the JR X58-T3H6?
Need to fix the issue where reboot wont load windows, and stuck multipliers in Win7.
Thanks mate. Just flashed to 0701 and I can confirm that didnt fix anything.
Please try this :)
http://img.lanparty.tw/Upload/BIOS/CM/JX58D724.exe
12GB ram Action!
BASE+BBSE:D
http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/m.../C71600/12.png
Good job :up:, aren't these sticks just amazing?
I didn't have much time to play, but got some good HyperPi32M actions over 21k :)
@4.01GHZ(211x19) 1.15v :cool:
VVT = 1.32/1.34v (BIOS/Load)
NB Core = 1.13/1.12v
Corsair XMS3 1600MHz CL7 @2110MHZ 9-10-9-23 1T HypePi32M stable :yepp:
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9...yperpi32m2.jpg
What are the 2 jumpers at the top corner of the cpu socket for?
yea any1 knows?
http://up127.siz.co.il/img2/ymht4zjkvt3o.jpg
As Eva has said no need to change the jumpers. They set the PWM IC operating frequency. At default the ICs operatate at the frequency spec'd by Volterra. The jumpers are there for CPU load testing in the lab and probably should have been removed for the retail boards.
Ok so, my problem is the cpu, i have to change it, but i have no money :(
Hmm, never noticed the jumper! Perhaps I'll be the first to play around with them? Nah, just kidding!
Maybe emailing DFI about it would result in an answer, if nobody has the balls to play around with them?
Guys I have a major problem and I can't seem to find out why!!
I'll have it perfectly stable, and I start thinking to myself...if it's stable I can either...
A) Lower Voltages
B) Overclock it moar!
C) Your mom
Why can't I just leave things alone when its stable haha :up:
Now running 4.5ghz HT 1.488v stable haha.
1.488v, if it dies...it dies. Not worried about it though since intel says 1.55v max and 100c max im still well within those specs =)
Got a shot of 4.5GHZ?
If you got proper cooling then Vcore=1.5v can be OK for 24/7, but how much "unsafe" VVT you are pushing for those Uncore>@4200 24/7? VVT may be a bigger problem, not because it will necessarily kill you (even tho this may do it faster than high Vcore), but because it puts too much stress/heat on PWM/system, and the CPU-temp raises too.
The extra stress/heat generated by high VVT and Uncore (x5 RAM multi) was so much that I found it to be far from "sweet spot" for 24/7 use (at least on my setup).
BCLK 200 CPU 12~21x (Turbo, CPU EIST enabled, C1E Auto)
Uncore 20x
Memory 8x
12GB RAM 8-8-8-24 1N
BIOS...
CPU VID Auto + 103.30%
IOH 1.13
CPU VTT 1.31
Vdimm 1.62
SuperPi 32M...
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/373...0816154839.jpg
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6...0816154923.jpg
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8...0816105340.png
LinX and Everest bandwidth & latency...
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6...0816155001.jpg
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/4...0816155015.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2...0816155030.jpg
Im running 1.45vtt with 12gb ram. 6gb it needs alot less. I know its alot more then intel recommends but I even ram my old P45 with 1.55v for a year no problems. I have fan's blowing on my PWM's so they don't get too hot under load. I'm not afraid to push voltages at all as long as temps are ok...
On AIR cooling, high uncore and VTT can make a huge temp difference, but water is very minimal so I can run as high Uncore as I want and only have a couple degrees difference.
You just want a CPU-z shot of 4.5ghz?
Actually i wanted to see a load-shot with all temps and volts, specially the VVT, but it is OK.
You see, I have been trying to find the sweet spot for my new RAM (1600MHZ CL7) and It has been running stable enough at DDR3-2100MHZ CL9 to consider it, but I have been having hard time to justify the extra stress/heat compared to the performance gains.
I have been experimenting @4.2GHZ(20x210), and
For x4 RAM (Uncore 3800MHZ, DDR3-1688 CL7), I can use VVT=1.21v (BIOS set) and it will end up as:
1.26v (BIOS report)
1.23-1.24 (Idle)
1.24v (Load)
It can raise up to 1.26v under heavy load(LinX, HyperPI), but it is still within the "safe 24/7 Intel recommendations" and runs very cool stable, anyways :)
For 5x (Uncore 4200MHZ, DDR3-2100 CL9), I have to use VVT=1.32v (BIOS set) and it ends up as:
1.38v (BIOS report)
1.32-34V (Idle)
1.34-1.36v (load)
These are volts reported by SG, but Everest will usually usually report 0.01v more.
Not only these are "unsafe 24/7" values, but also there is a good deal of different between what BIOS, SG and Everest are reporting. Which indicates "unreliable readings" and I'm still wondering how much "real VVT" would show on a multi meter?.
When it comes to temperatures, moving from 4x RAM to x5 has increased the system/PWM a whole 4-5'C on idle, ( with a fan with good airflow blowing right over the NB ), and the CPU-temp raised 1-3'C too. I don't have enough data to conclude about load-temp but it wouldn't surprise me if it would increase even more.
Of course x5 RAM (High VVT and Uncore) shows very good benching numbers (specially on Everest bandwidth and latency), but I have been trying hard to see the effect on my "real life applications" and finding it hard to track the performance gains for 24/7 use.
To make a long history short, even tho it is always fine/fun for testing/benching, but the big question is if all those stress/heat generated by high (and unsafe) VVT and Uncore can be justified compared to the performance gain of x5 RAM for 24/7 use?
Well at 4.51ghz I can't really run 4.3ghz Uncore so its 3.87ghz uncore and 1.32vtt under load.
heres a pic of 4.5ghz running memtest, ran for about 9hrs all 12gb. I only run my ram 1290mhz 7-6-6-16-1t-44. The good news is you can run much lower mem voltage which it doesn't impact performance and your PWM temps and even CPU temps are a touch lower.
I'll get something like prime under load later, busy day today
http://i28.tinypic.com/2akcw46.png
Impressive... what cooling do you use for the cpu? :up:
multiPi 32m - 11.297 seconds :up:
superpi 1m - just 9 seconds
superpi 32m was 8min 8s but it deleted the entry when I ran 1m lol
http://i25.tinypic.com/2a5dt2p.png
Garret, I have Apogee GTZ and a little Swiftech 220 rad with 4 weak fans push/pull. Really need to upgrade my radiator the rad gets almost hot at the top under load after awhile
Indeed, 1 core 88c :eek:
That's way hotter than you'd want indeed :D
Your 24/7 speed is 4.4GHz right? But at what voltage?
This DFI board of mine has so many options, and I'm not exactly n00b when it comes to oc'ing but the bios still seems a bit overwhelming at times :D
Heres a pic of my ugly rig w/p the side panel, need to fix the wiring so its not so fugly.
http://i32.tinypic.com/2exsepe.jpg
Well something just went "pop" and died, no clue what just died but fans just spin up full blast now and debug LED just shows full on 88
how much VTT did you have?
I fried my VTT on my first dfi because it burnt itself out, was because to much voltage and not enough cooling, if you keep it cool it doesnt matter~
it was 1.29v vtt
oh ok, bad luck, definately sounds like motherboard though, might be time for RMA
First and last DFI. Worst board i have ever had, wouldnt recommend it to anyone. Its always made funny PWM squealing sounds even new and at stock speed with a finicky POS bios.
double wow, so I try my cpu in my somewhat dead MSi X58M and the bastards mosfets actually caught on fire it was throwing sparks everwhere and actually a huge flame with it! wtf, did someone cast a spell on me or something? If i wasnt there to unplug the psu it would have kept going and burnt my house down
Can someone on their DFI board take out there CPU and start it see if you get 88 post code? Does the same thing with CPU in or out. I was thinking it would just stay CF post code but right now I have no way to know if the CPU or board died. Both look good CPU caps on bottom and everything like fine and mosfets under heatsink on board look good and no smells. It's probably the board but who knows, don't want to RMA and find out it was the CPU all along.
edit: some edits
88 is indeed standard post code w/o CPU for the board.
but I had it more than once with a CPU in it as well. Usually meant something got screwed so badly only taking out the CMOS battery would work to get it back :p
Worked for me a couple of times already... Ofc, if your CPU is dead it probably won't do anything :P
@Peen
You're not going to wait for RMA?...
I've given up this board and heading for i5 now...
I tried to tell you with a long post, you have been pushing (and rubbing :rolleyes: ) it over the "safe 24/7 limits" for too long.
As stated above, the 88 code can appear with a good CPU too. Probably it is your CPU, but it could be your MB too. I would check the PSU too.
Keep as informed, then this can be a really interesting investigation on the long term effect of too much VVT for 24/7 use .
I know but I only had 1.29 vtt under load when it died. Kinda hope its my CPU haha. I like pushing voltages and this is the first time I've actually killed something from too many volts that I can think of. Been OC'ing for long time. But you know, you spend $300 on a enthusiasts board you kinda expect the board would put up with it. Still got my old low end P4 MSI pushing way more then 24/7 safe volts since 2003 and its still going!
The PSU is fine, already tested it
Really wish I had some friends close by that I could test my CPU or something. I really deserve like a war medal for pushing things haha
i had 2 boards with code 88. never had used high voltages or something(well within intel spec)...
1st board just did nothing 1day. the other some sort of resistor or something else burned near the NB(after a month). 3rd board my dimmslots(3of6) just died on me(after few days).
replaced psu,vid-card, tested cpu in another pc.
dfi doesn't like me :(.
Now waiting for another vid(4850x2) to arrive and i'll try my 4th board lol.
That sucks man! I don't think mine killed the CPU because I remember it was just shutting off randomly before it finally popped and stopped working. DFI is going to RMA it, but I might just buy a different board and sell the RMA board. I dunno what I want though, maybe the Rampage II Gene??
lol. im getting such a low price on my dfi that i'll try it just 1 more time.
this board has rev.aB01 so maybe i'm lucky.
You can't RMA? Im wondering if I actually get a new board or if they will just try to repair it
For 12GB ram clocking, there is no board like the Classified.
Otherwise, i'd take a decent look @ Asus Workstation boards. They're about the only thing i'd touch with 12GB of ram that has Asus written on it...
If that board revision fixes all issues with d0's and offers compatiblity with the newer models coming later on, I might kill my board just to get one XD
Man sounds like all the X58 boards suck. Shoulda just sat this Gen out my Q9550 + MSI worked 100% flawless
Ok. After a long session of tests i could see that with 6 gb it's stable @ 2.8ghz, but if i increase the cpu frequency it's not anymore. No problems with 4gb. Going to RMA, i have to kill it before :shakes:
its been sometimes since i posted here
the new 07 bios is good
solved running 205 dram at 2050 C7 and 210 dram at 2100 C7
good job.
Anyone have any suggestions for 4.0? Turbo, no turbo? 19x or 20x? I'm at 3.6 HT ON, 1.15-1.16v under load, 1.3vtt. I still havent had much time to work on 4.0. Any suggestions would be helpful.
Yes I'm happy with 07/24 BIOS too, it is used in this run:
@2110MHZ 9-10-9-23 1T HypePi32M stable :)
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9...rpi32m2.th.jpg
You should try with turbo:off first. Otherwise, usually you shouldn't need more tweaks for @4GHZ, just add more Vcore and give a shot.
I had issues at 19x211, and 20x200 where games would be in slow motion even when running 4ghz according to RealTemp and CPU-Z. Right when I put it back to 21x191 it was back up to speed.
Now just gotta wait for DFI to "Repair" my board so I can blow something else up. Gunna try for 4.6ghz HT!!!
I got this annoying small things...
first, when OC or changing volts or anything, and it fails...during bootup or whatever, when i kill it (turn off with holding in powerbutton) and then right after, resetting cmos with dubble pressing reset and power, then letting go and then powering up again, it ALLWAYS, code 26, and i mean every single time, it doesnt boot up, everyting is started but just a blank screen, then i press reset, and it goes down, and up again with no trouble.
This is every time i do this...
and another thing, when in bios, after a fail OC or something, i load the saved bank i had before, and then i will apply this and exit, it just gets stuck, then i have to reset, and it goes down and are working again, what is this?
this is so annoying i almost want to change board =)
That sucks infa :( . You might want to RMA it honestly, it shouldn't be THAT touchy.
@RGONE sorry i ment rev. aB(0)1. the 0 is crossed and they wrote a 1 next to it :S ( i've had rev.A58, 2x A56 and now the AB(0)1 )
i think DFI made a good board if it works. But when i search the net i come across lots of ppl who have (compatibility) problems.:(
I hope that DFI will find some solution for the problems.
I got Win 7, so the latest beta is all i got, or else multiple will drop and get stuck.... so i HAVE to use this bios nomather if i want it or not :)
I Like playing with bios'es, change and try stuff, but all us win 7 users are restricted to one version only.
Will try to reflash....but 26 is a major code regarding lots of stuff, so there's no telling what it could be either.
Eva2000
why cant you answer my private PM i send to you about dfi motherboard i brought
For anyone who has RMA'ed, did you get a new board or did they just repair your old board? Kinda want a new board because when mine worked it squealed soooo bad all the time.
But they said send it for repairs......
i7 920 4.3ghz HT off @ 1.288v
Corsair Dominator GT 2k C7@ 2050 7-7-7-20 1N @ 1.638v
DFI UT X58
Asus Matrix GTX285 SLi 728/1638/2821 Bios burned. (Optimized Ram timing) VGPU 1.15v/2.07v SLIed
Love this gpu and love the new bios
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...ntitled-45.jpg
Any advice to kill my cpu easily?
Watch the attitudes folks.
Just a suggestion from your friendly neighborhood staff member.
Hey guys I just got this motherboard,and the bios is CONFUSING AS F***, I can't seem to do anything right... My rams are running at 1066mhz when it should be at like 2000mhz.
I don't get it, why can't this mobo be like the other ones where you just set it.. Please help !
I want my rams to run at 2000mhz, my timings i got. I don't know what 80% of the words mean in the bios where on the other mobo's they are easy. My head hurts.
the bios is 1 of the things that i love of this board. Just enough settings. :)
If that where the probs of this board ;-).
Just a RAID card heads up folks:
This board is not compatible with the new LSI 9260 / 80 series....
The DFI / LSI not playing well (for well read at all) saga continues... :rolleyes:
chuck it into the fire pit??
never spray aerosol with a lighter on it??
lol.
Give it to me ill kill it :)
after having 2 C0, 3 D0's 920's and two 950's
and 2 UT's 2 DK's , 2 R2e's , one Classi
and two Dom Gt 2k C7, 3 T1's, 1 Blade
It depends on proc, mobo and ram combi.
some proc work great on any mobo
some mobo work great in any proc
and some ram work great with any proc and mobo
but not all do.
BCLK211 has been my favorite and "sweet spot" for the low-volt summer OC. I have been running @4GHZ(211x19) 1.15 with almost no tweaks (VVT=1.21v and NB core=1.13v, BIOS set). It has passed many stability tests (including 11 hour-Prime, Hyperpi32M and 10 pass LinX), and it has been in 24/7 use with no issue for a while now.
@4GHZ(19x211) requires less Vcore than 20x200 on my set up, and if your setup can handle it, then you should try it first and see if it is the same for you too.
I have been experimenting with @4.2GHZ(20x210) 1.24v lately and it seams to be stable with minimum tweaks too (VVT=1.21v and NB core=1.13v, BIOS set, again).
But I'm staying away from too high RAM (>200MHZ) and Uncore (>4200MHZ) for 24/7 use. Because it requires too much tweaks (including "usanfe 24/7 VVT"). I'm keeping the RAM at x8 (7-8-7-20 1688MHZ 1.65v). I find 18/16/8 (QPI/Uncore/RAM) to be easiest to stabilize with less tweaks for 24/7 use.
Sam, when you set 1.13v in bios for NB what do you get in SG?
NB Core 1.13v (BIOS set) ends up as 1.12v in SG and Everest.
So it is actually doping, but the VVT is always going up on my setup. Specially under heavy load and I'm still wondering how much "real VVT" will show up on a multimeter. Fortunately I'm far from "unsafe VVT", but VVT=1.23v (BIOS set) can end up all the way up to 1.28v :rolleyes:, in SG and BIOS-report.
Guys,
a little info in case anyone here is having trouble with the DFI (Bios 0619), a HX850 and newer D0 920's.
Earlier today I was trying to get 4Ghz stable on a new build I just finished. CPU stayed extremely cool (below 60C running LinX with 11GB of ram :eek: ) but would always shut down after 1-2 mins of LinX. I tried lots of things to no avail, until I disabled the Anti-Vdroop feature (set "Vdroop control" to "enable" in bios which actually disables the feature) and I noticed a difference at once. The VRM wasn't making aggressive squealing noises any more, and my overclock was suddenly stable.
Just thought you'd like to know, as all CPUs I've had so far on my own private DFI didn't care about the Anti Vdroop feature.
Be careful with that 19x211 I found with the exact same settings you have alot of my games would turn into a slide show even though CPU-Z and RealTemp both showed running full 4ghz. 20x200 did it a little bit too, but 21x191 didn't slow down at all.
Some games were fine, others were a slide show and was very strange:cool:
jcool your board squeals like mad to with that PSU? Mine squealed it with vdroop control on and off
This is max I can do with my W3520 and DFI:
http://img.techpowerup.org/090820/4600.jpg
Watercooled with PA120.3 + BIP3, DCC and HK 3.0, 21.5 ambient.
Previously I could get to 235 bclk with bios 0508, but after flashing 0724 I cant seem to get much passed 223. Even if I flash back to 0508 I'm still stuck at 223 now.
Anyone having success with high bclk and 0724 ?
Sniper I gotta ask, does your board squeal really bad with those settings? My board died doing what your doing with same voltages but 4.4ghz
Nope, it seems to handle it fine.
Awesome CPU Snipe... my 975 needs phase to be stable at 4,6 ;)
Oh well, it's a lot older than any w3520 too...
Yes, its a very nice W3520. In the end I'll probably end up at around 4.5 24/7 and with temps in the 70's. But was hoping to play with some high bclk and 06 benching first.
My old GB DS3P squealed a bit when running 4 GHz with my old Q6600, but runs just fine still.
Hey guys, 2 more questions - I figured out the ram thing
My OS 64bit vista home, read 6gb and used it i suppose, before I decided to overclock. I had no choice. my rams were ddr3 2000 and they were only running at 1066mhz, its bs.
after I OC'ed vista only read 2gb. What went wrong?
- second question :
WHen updating the bios. Latest version or a version before it? the latest one only says like memory stability or something, but the older ones look more useful, are all the past updates included in the latest bios update?
Dude, you may want to read up on some basic overclocking tipps before you launch right into running 2Ghz ram (yes, 2Ghz ram is an overclock. The CPU only supports 1600Mhz officially).
Generally you need to watch the POST screen (disable the logo post thingy) on whether it displays all your ram (should say 6.......k) after you changed the ram settings. If not, you need to tweak VTT and Vdimm settings. Generally for 2Ghz ram speed you'll need at least 1,37-1,39VTT depending on BCLK, ram, CPU, timings etc. Maybe more. Be advised that going over 1,4V VTT on air might be dangerous.
You can't just plug and play 2Ghz ram, not on this board and not on any other (actually on some you can, but they set VTT so high that they'll kill your CPU after a few weeks...)
I found the 0619 bios to work pretty well.
Someone running 3-way sli + sound card and have pic how-to?
Sound card will touch heatpipe of vreg me think?
Stupid design fault :shocked: or am i missing something??
You are not missing anything! I like this MB very much and have all the good words about it :yepp: , but WTF is that?!?! :eek: I tried everything! It's so stupid! I was thinking of borrowing 3rd GTX280 to test TRI-SLI, but now must buy usb sound just for testing purposes. :mad:
If anyone finds a solution, please post!