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Here is a post on adjustments.Quote:
Originally Posted by screwtech02
http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/...&postcount=333
thnx I was getting to that
lotta work tonight, seems the bastards saved it up for me. I'm flogged with it after my vacation.
if I do 1 more production forecast :nuts:
@ Grnfinger
this is my setting , please guide me , it always crash on 3dmark06 but i can pass orthos blend
Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
FSB Frequency: 500
CPU Clock Skew: auto
NB Clock Skew: auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1002mhz
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disable
MEM. OC Charger: auto
Ai Clock Twister: auto
Ai Transaction Booster: auto
PCIE Frequency: 100
CPU Voltage: 1.375
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.5000
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.27
DRAM Voltage: 2.15
North Bridge Voltage: 1.39
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: auto
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: auto
CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): -45
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): -45
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto
CPU Configuration:
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled
Load-Line Calibration: auto
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
Here are my settings but I'm still in the process of tweaking and lowering voltages.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8...ghz135vgs4.jpgCode:Q9450L810B906
Asus Maximus Formula II BIOS 0901
Visontek 4850's crossfire
Cruical 2GB Kit PC8500 16F3's
OCZ ProXtreme 1000w
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : 8
FSB Frequency : 475
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge :[333 MHz]
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1141MHz
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : auto
Write Recovery Time : auto
Read to Precharge Time : auto
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : auto
DRAM Static Read Control: auto
DRAM Read Training: auto
MEM. OC Charger: auto
Ai Clock Twister : auto
Transaction Booster : Manual
Common Performance Level: 9
PCIE Frequency: [100]
CPU Voltage : 1.35000v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50000v
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.25900v
DRAM Voltage : 2.10475v
North Bridge Voltage : 1.25900v
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage : 1.50000v
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage : 1.10000v
CPU GTL Reference(0) : +20mV
CPU GTL Reference(1) : -15mV
CPU GTL Reference(2) : +20mV
CPU GTL Reference(3) : -15mV
NB GTL Reference : +30mV
DDR2 ChA REF Voltage : auto
DDR2 ChB REF Voltage : auto
North Bridge DDR2 REF: auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
C1E Support: Enabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel(R) Virtualization Tech: Enabled
CPU TM Function: Enabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
Load-Line Calibtration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum : Auto
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Auto
Advanced CPU Configuration
Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : enabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled
Ran these same settings with C1E & CPU TM Function set to Enabled for 8hours after this by the way.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
Here is my current setup.
No matter what I do it wont be stable at 500fsb. The settings below are stable.
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
FSB Strap to NB: 333
FSB Freq: 475
PCIE Freq: 105
DRAM Freq: 951
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 12
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6
Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5
DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
Dram Read Training : Auto
MEM OC Charger : Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Lighter
Transaction Booster : Manual
Common Performance Level [10]
Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled
CPU volt:1.32500
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52650
NB Voltage: 1.35175
DRAM Voltage: 2.17100
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.31200
SB Voltage: 1.1
SB 1.5 Voltage: 1.5
CPU GTL Reference 0 : +20mv
CPU GTL Reference 1 : +20mv
CPU GTL Reference 2 : +20mv
CPU GTL Reference 3 : +20mv
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO
Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled
Dude thnx for the hookup...... :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by SiGfever
Suggestions are in boldQuote:
Originally Posted by electricl
lmk how it works out.
going to post a 4.0GHz setup shortly
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
It boots fine until the vista loading screen is suppossed to show up then it goes all black. Tried upping the volts a little but it didnt help.
try a higher PL maybe 12 -13?Quote:
Originally Posted by electricl
Guys,
I bought this board and it's been a dream so far. I bought a new graphics card and now I'm having an odd problem - here's the situation.
I am watercooling my CPU. I put the board in, went into BIOS without doing any settings research on here, and overclocked to 4.0 Ghz (the same as I had been running on my old motherboard).
I simply changed the vcore, changed the RAM volts, FSB (400), ratio (10), disabled spread spectrum and all features on the CPU config page, set the ram ~800, turned off Mem OC charger.
I tested it and it was prime stable (blend and cpu only), 3dmark stable, games stable.
Yesterday, I bought a 4870 X2 and stuck it in. Computer would not post until I pulled out the power cord, put it back in, and restarted. It posted at reduced settings.
I took it to default settings and it booted no problems. I tried OC'd settings again and it failed. Next time, I tried only changing the minimum number of settings to achieve 4 ghz, leaving all the "extra" features on,
but I gave it some extra volts on the motherboard voltages. It booted no problem. I then put back the original OC'd settings, but with the higher voltages. It did not post. I went back in and turned on the 2 spread spectrum settings.
It posted, and I put the motherboard voltages back to stock, and it still posted. It passed all stability tests, although it felt perhaps a tad sluggish to me. I noticed also that it had scored 200 points lower on the CPU portion of the 3dmark test than it had with the old graphics card.
What's going on? This makes no sense to me - I've never heard of the graphics card affecting the overclock. Does anyone have any suggestions that might be useful, or insight as to what could be going on here?
I just posted a 8x500 setting try it and see how it goes, just change the multi to 8.5Quote:
Originally Posted by barong
Might possibly be your PSU?Quote:
Originally Posted by elsupremo
List your specs , so we can try to help you
QX9650 @ 4.0 Ghz
2 GB Gskill DDR2 @ 800 Mhz (stock basically)
of course Maximus II Formula @ 400 FSB
Cooler Master Real Power 850W PSU
Auzentech XPlosion DTS sound card
Creative X-fi Music sound card
Areca RAID controller
I just noticed that Windows Explorer has crashed the last couple times I started the computer. ???
Keep in mind, this has only happened since putting in this new GPU. Is there any way other than PSU that the GPU could be affecting the rest of the system like this?
thx sir i will try thoose setting after work:D
I do know that the 4870 X2 does not play nice with some boards, what BIOS version are you running? the latest is 1307Quote:
Originally Posted by elsupremo
I upgraded tonight to 1307. Spent my whole night trying to fix this weird thing. Finally, I pulled out the 4870 X2 and put back in the GTX 280 and everything is working correctly again. It's like my system is allergic to the 4870! Very strange.
Hmm when running crossfire it does affect overclocking (there are crossfire overclock settings posted earlier in this thread) just like running 4x1GB vs. 2x2GB does affect clocking and volts. And the X2 is running internal crossfire. But you problems doses'nt seem to have anything to do with this. Give Asus a call?
Thank you to the couple of you who offered some help...here's an update after my night's adventures. While the ATI card was still in, I downloaded IntelBurnTest by AgentGOD and I couldn't get it to run for 1 second - it would immediately REBOOT the computer.
As I was saying, ever since I put in the ATI card, it felt like my system became very unstable - well here's proof of the pudding. I could not get IntelBurnTest to run with all my settings at stock/defaults. I tried tweaking them even to make it work - no luck.
After I put back in my GTX 280, I'm rock solid stable, passing the IntelBurnTest with flying colors - at 4 Ghz!
I don't know if it's just this card (I doubt it because the card was able to run 3dmarks and some games just fine) or if its an incompatibility with this motherboard, but I guess the beastly 4870 X2 is heading back to Fry's. I didn't need it that much anyway. :-(
You may need to up your Northbridge voltage, the 4870X2 probably puts more stress on it than the GTX 280 and combined with 400fsb, might just push it over the edge if stock... What are your current voltages?
What I was saying earlier is that with ALL settings stock/default in BIOS, meaning stock/default FSB and stock voltages, the motherboard would not run stable with the 4870. It will, of course, with the GTX 280. With the 280, I can be very experimental with my settings and voltages and the computer will still run MUCH more stable than it does at stock with the 4870 X2. Like I said, the card was able to run 3dmarks and some games, so I don't think this particular card has a problem - although I could be wrong. It would be helpful if someone else had this card and this motherboard and could comment on their experience.
I have the 4850 with the Maximus II formula. I don't know how close they are but the 4850 is solid. It will not oc but I think that is a factor of temp. It runs in the high sixties at best. Once I get it under water I hope to be able to get more out of it.
The CPU is seriously overclocked as per sig.
It's not a factor of temp, it's a factor of voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by genec57
I have my 4850 on an accelero S1 with a 120 strapped to it. It loads at around 36C, but pretty much any overclock was unstable.
Pencil mod took care of that, now it's stable at 700/1200 and I'm sure I could get more if i took the time to mod through BIOS instead of CCC.
Ah, sorry, I misunderstood.Quote:
Originally Posted by elsupremo
Still, might be worth bumping the vNB to 1.3v with everything else on stock just to see... perhaps bios does not cater properly for that much single slot load? Clutching at straws I know, lol.
Thanks for your suggestions...I'm actually wondering if it's possible that the PSU is actually the problem. Either somehow too much power on a rail, or maybe the PSU is dying. I might buy another PSU just to see if it fixes the problem...
I upgraded from 8800GTX to 4870 X2 without any issues. First thing I did was uninstall the Nvidia drivers, power down, swap the cards and powered up into Windows. Installed the Catalyst Software Suite 8.8 (54.3MB) rebooted and that's that.Quote:
It would be helpful if someone else had this card and this motherboard and could comment on their experience.
I was using bios 0901 at the time and have since flashed to 1301 and have still not run into any problems. My NB voltage is set to 1.28 in the bios.
Has your PSU got 8 pin PCIE connectors or are you using an adaptor? What's your PCIE Freq in bios set to? 100? Sorry for the obvious questions - Gotta cover all the angles.
@Grnfinger,Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
What is the stepping on your Q9550?
Thank you for sharing.Quote:
Originally Posted by vaderat-at
I am using an adaptor that combines 2 6 pin PCIE plugs. My PSU came with 4 6 pin PCIe cables.
Not once have I messed with NB voltage. Perhaps that is an issue?
PCI Freq always set to 100.
Any help is appreciated! :)
Won't hurt to try 1.3v NB, you never know! :-)
Gotta be either that or the power feed I'd say....
C1 :( but its still better than the E0 8600 I have, that was alot of hype for nothing other than to drain my walletQuote:
Originally Posted by SiGfever
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f.../3900_MIIF.jpg
Do you have another mobo to run the 4870X2 card on?Quote:
Originally Posted by elsupremo
the fact that it wont run with stock bios settings is disturbing, and makes me lean towards the card. Could be the PSU but if it runs the nvidia card it makes me still lean towards the 4870
You could try upping NB volts but I doubt its the issue.
What brand of card is it?
did you uninstall the nvidia drivers before putting in the 4870? the nvidia card may not care if the ati drivers are there but the ati card may not like it if the nvidia drivers are still installed. like the others that comented, just throwing out random and easily over looked stuffQuote:
Originally Posted by elsupremo
@elsupremo your issue is simple. Your psu doesn't have sufficient power to maintain your overclock with the 4870X2 in. I ran into the same problem when I upgraded from my BFG 8800GTX to BFG 280GTX. All I did was drop the card in & load drivers. Thought the system was stable it was not prime stable. I tried upping the voltages a bit with no success. Then I took a look @ my prime screenshots with the previous configuration and noticed the 12v rail idled below 12v with the 280GTX. I upgraded my 700w OCZ to a 1000w Antec(was on sale) and the problem went away. All my previous saved prime bios configurations worked. My advice would be to try a new psu perhaps a Corsair model.
Thank you for those of you that have offered advice so far. I really appreciate your thoughts. I went out and bought a Corsair 1000W, thinking that PSU problems were the only thing that made sense. The new PSU did not change a single result. I suppose at this point I have to look at the card, but why would the card be able to run 3dmarks (and get a very nice score, mind you - 22.4K) if it has a problem? I should note that when the OC fails, invariably, the LCD shows it is hung on "VGA BIOS". When this card is in, at stock speeds I can get into Windows and run some stuff (no artificating, looks correct/beautiful), but like I said, it still isn't stable. Perhaps this brand's BIOS on this card is incompatible here? Maybe the other 4870 X2 users with this board are using a different brand. I'm clutching at straws, but the options here are narrowing.
With the Corsair in, I did try some different settings (different FSB to achieve similar speed, increased NB voltage) and nothing helped. Let me know if you have any other ideas, or if there are any settings I should change that might be causing this phenomenon. Thank you! Otherwise, the Corsair and the X2 are going back to the store.
P.S. It is a Diamond 4870 X2, btw.
I've now had my Maximus II Formula board for a few weeks. At first I simply installed everything and then started my burn-in process. My NB temp went through the roof (above 80ēC). I should have known better. I removed the heatsink and there was the normal Pond Scum Compound imported from some swamp in Louisianna. I chipped that away that and applied MX2 compound--but I noticed something I didn't like AT ALL (Gigabyte has done the same thing). First, you have your naked NB and apply compound to it. Then, the heat-pipe apparatus is installed which places a copper block on the NB. Lastly--ANOTHER layer of thermal compound on the copper block--and then the finned heat-sink is installed. A very reliable review and testing site really slamed Gigabyte for doing this exact thing, but never mentioned Asus. What kind of cooling can we expect when the heat must travel through TWO layers of compound? Should I decide to watercool my NB, I would have to completely remove the entire heat-pipe assembly which covers the NB, SB and MOSFETS etc.. I left the heat-pipe as is, and I have two layers of MX2 instead of the rock-hard Pond Scum on the NB. I attached a small fan to blow directly in the NB Heatsink fins to help remove some of the heat. Now, as I type this, my NB temp is at 52ēC and my SB is 49ēC. My Intel E8600 CPU is reported at 21ēC if you can believe that, while my MB is at 34ēC. PC Probe absolutely sucks. No matter what I do I can not get the Asus AI Suite to load (Windows XP) and the Six Engine freezes when I try to "Calibrate". This is on a clean install of XP Pro. Asus software is pathetic, to say the least. So---I am going to uninstall all the Asus software and do any overclocking directly in the 0901 BIOS which is fairly easy. I wanted to let people know that if their intentions are to watercool anything other than their CPU and GPU, they better take a closer look at how to do it. I must say, though, that this board has been rock-solid stable regardless of temps (which are very acceptable now). Right now, on air--I can easily top 4GHz with this E8600 CPU (E0 Stepping). This is with NO voltage adjustments (except RAM)whatsoever. Of course, I'm using Cell Shock Memory (MemoryC.com) and I believe it's the best in the world at the moment. The RAM heatsinks are BOLTED together--none of this thermal cement crap. Anyway, the Asus Maximus II Formula is quite possibly the best MB Asus has manufactured in a long, long time. I can easily deal with the NB Temp problem. PC Pitstop full tests reports my 'Puter to be in the top 2%, and I just have an ATI HD4870 (not HD4870x2). This board can keep up with the X38's and x48's. Even with Crossfire not being a TRUE 16x2 on this board (it reverts to 8x2), the benchmarking of Crossfire on this board and on the X48 boards is still very, very close. I am very, very happy with this Asus Maximus II Formula board!
My temps are fine. I idle at 40 on both northbridge and southbridge.
@elsupremo
Are you comfortable flashing the bios of your video card? I wonder if flashing to an asus bios would help?
**Edit**
Aren't any @ techpower up but there are ATI and others
You can do what you are asking, but I would not suggest it. First--the NB. The heat-pipe assembly is one large piece. The NB gets compound (get rid of the Pond scum and apply your own compound) and a a large copper block encased in the heat pipe assembly sits on the NB. Then, you have ANOTHER layer of compound to apply before installing the finned heatsink on top of the copper block, (which is installed on top of the NB). That's TWO layers of compound that heat must try to infiltrate. Gigabyte has the same setup. The MOSFETT finned heatsinks sit on TOP of the HEATPIPE and mine had little contact (also Pond scum). This means there is also compound UNDER the heatsink to make contact with the MOSFETTS. Another TWO layers of compound. So, the only way I can see to efficiently install your own MCW30 etc., is to completely remove the heatpipe assembly. Let me add that after chipping away the patented Asus Pond Scum imported from a secret Pond in Louisanna, and applying Arctic Cooling MX2 compound (to ALL areas), my temps drastically improved. I mean DRASTICALLY! Please don't misunderstand--the Asus Maximus II Formula is one of the best boards Asus has ever made and it can easily keep up with the X38/X48 boards. The heat-pipe assembly is very, very pretty, but really is not as effective as Asus would like you to believe. For instance, with my board--the solid copper block embedded in the heat-pipe assembly (for the NB), was installed at a slight angle, meaning it wasn't flat. It didn't make complete contact with the NB chip and in order to have the NB finned heatsink make complete contact with the top of the copper block, I had to put thermal compound on very think on the "lower" side. I eventually was able to force the copper block to lay flat, so---just beware. I think most buyers of this board would probably be just fine the way it is straight out of the box, but I know from experience of the "Pond Scum" issue, and I want the best thermal solution I can get. I have no problems with the current heat-pipe assembly, getting my Intel E8600 CPU past 4GHz on air with no voltage adjustments other than RAM. That is really SWEET. Soon, I will cool everything with water and go for the 5GHz mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by aster
@Grnfinger
i already tried this setting, but it wont pass dual super pi 32mb , any other setting? to reach 500x8.5 or 525x8 for 24/7 im using 1307 bios
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
FSB Strap to NB: 333 (keep the 333 strap)
FSB Freq: 500
PCIE Freq: 100
DRAM Freq: 1000
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6
Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5
DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
Dram Read Training : Auto
MEM OC Charger : Auto
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual
Common Performance Level [10] once stable reduce this value to 9 or 8
Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled
CPU volt:1.35 and work up, you may need 1.40 if your chip scales poorly
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.53975
NB Voltage: 1.39150
DRAM Voltage: 2.17100
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.33850
SB Voltage: 1.1
SB 1.5 Voltage: 1.5
CPU GTL Reference 0 : +40mv
CPU GTL Reference 1 : +30mv
CPU GTL Reference 2 : +30mv
CPU GTL Reference 3 : +40mv
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO
Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled
Same experience here with my C1 stepping 9550Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
a lot of CPU for the money :up:
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...8_21-02-53.png
I wish they'd just make a motherboard that could hit 500FSB 12-24hr Prime stable with 45nm quad. Our systems are fsb limited for hitting 4GHz. If a cpu can do 3.6GHz with 1.25v @load typically it would do 4GHz @ 1.4v-1.45v if it didn't hit a wall.
They are doing better :DQuote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
The only wall I seem to hit is at 500 FSB.
I can post and play around in windows but Its short lived.
A least 500 is possible on a 45 nm quad.
I can't boot @ 500 but I can use setfsb or aisuite to get there but no where near stable not even for Pi. It's just cheaper than buying a higher multiplier cpu. I'm not gonna purchase another 45nm Quad. I'll probably go through a few E0 8X00's though before & after nethlam. One thing I've noticed though. The P45 clocks the 45nm quad with alot less voltage than the X38 P35 or nividia offerings. It's definitely a good chipset if your looking for features efficiency and MHz. Not so good performance at same clocks vs the others though.
The only thing I miss about my Maximus formula is the 16X Crossfire .
you loose a little at 8X + 8X but make up the difference in raw MHz
My maximus II formula just turned up. So did my 2 kits of D9 GKX equipped cellshock. Should be a good night :D
I hope this board is fully functional unlike my P5Q-Deluxe was.
Mine is a Powercolor brand. Maybe the best thing to do is try another 4870 X2 card if possible. Let us know how you get on.Quote:
I suppose at this point I have to look at the card, but why would the card be able to run 3dmarks (and get a very nice score, mind you - 22.4K) if it has a problem? I should note that when the OC fails, invariably, the LCD shows it is hung on "VGA BIOS". When this card is in, at stock speeds I can get into Windows and run some stuff (no artificating, looks correct/beautiful), but like I said, it still isn't stable. Perhaps this brand's BIOS on this card is incompatible here? Maybe the other 4870 X2 users with this board are using a different brand. I'm clutching at straws, but the options here are narrowing.
I see some people setting the NB to 1.39. Isn't that quite high for P45 chipset?
I thought they could run high FSB with around 1.24 - 1.30.
I would have to disagree with you, my MCW30 sits rather nicely on my NB thank you,Quote:
Originally Posted by warpete
32c idle and 38c load temps tell me my waterblock is doing the job rather well.
I'm not sure what exactly your refurring to about the thermal paste Asus applied. It wiped right off without any effort. No chipping required:rofl:
Lanport 1 just died on me, should I be concern.............. enabled port 2 all is working fine
I have my board set up now and I'm stable at 4GHz / DDR 1113 MHz, however I have an issue.
When I restart the pc from windows, it fails to post, I just get a black screen. It also happens when I go into the bios for a second time and try to alter a setting. After the cmos has been cleared, I can set the 4GHz overclock, and it reboots fine, just anytime after that it wont. Also when I power off the pc & go to turn it on again it wont post. I also noticed when it doesn't post it doesnt cycle the voltage lights like it does while posting normally.
I have tried bioses 0504, 0604, 1307 and they all do it.
Any advice?
I know it is not the same board but my P5Q-E did the exact same when I was either too aggressive with my RAM timings @ 4.2 GHz (PL set too low or Clock twist set at anything more than "moderate"), or not enough volts to either NB or memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
What FSB strap and CPU multi are you using?Quote:
When I restart the pc from windows, it fails to post, I just get a black screen. It also happens when I go into the bios for a second time and try to alter a setting. After the cmos has been cleared, I can set the 4GHz overclock, and it reboots fine, just anytime after that it wont. Also when I power off the pc & go to turn it on again it wont post. I also noticed when it doesn't post it doesnt cycle the voltage lights like it does while posting normally.
I have noticed with my setup if I use 1:1 FSB and the default multi I have had the same problem as you. I fixed that by running 266MHz strap or Auto. Seems to have done the trick.
The 24/7 setting I want to run is 445 FSB, 9x multi and 266 strap giving 1116MHz ram speed.
I have tried all multi's from 6 to 9, but I have not set the strap manually, but I have tried 1:1, 4:5 etc memory dividers by selecting various ram speeds with strap set to AUTO (which should be changing the strap depending on what ram speed I have selected) and it still does it all the time - no matter what I set it refuses to reboot.
I could try selecting the strap manually but I doubt that will change anything.
I still think it could be a multi / strap issue. What's NB voltage set to in the bios?Quote:
I have tried all multi's from 6 to 9, but I have not set the strap manually, but I have tried 1:1, 4:5 etc memory dividers by selecting various ram speeds with strap set to AUTO (which should be changing the strap depending on what ram speed I have selected) and it still does it all the time - no matter what I set it refuses to reboot.
Try disabling DRAM static read control if it isn't already.
Thanks for the suggestions, but I just played with it for awhile and I think I have worked out the issue. I'm pretty sure it is the vFSB:vNB ratio. I am using a low vFSB (1.12v) and if I set the vNB above 1.25v, it wont reboot properly. I have it set at 1.23v now, and it seems to be working ok. I have rebooted, gone into bios, saved changes (although I didn't change anything), rebooted etc a few times in a row, and every time it reboots, but as soon as I push the vNB over 1.25v, no go.
Strange, but I have read about the need to have vFSB and vNB set close together, so perhaps these boards are sensitive to it?
I have read that also but your settings of 1.12:1.23 isn't as close as I have read they should be and it's working. I think the NB voltage is very sensitve on the P45's though. I played around with a P5Q Deluxe and anything below 1.22 or above 1.3 would cause it to act up.Quote:
Strange, but I have read about the need to have vFSB and vNB set close together, so perhaps these boards are sensitive to it?
BTW I have my vFSB @ 1.24 and vNB @ 1.28.
Yes, I thought the gap was larger than suggested, I am obviously at the biggest allowable difference between the vFSB/vNB at my current setting. I'm a little apprehensive to run my vFSB out of spec (1.15v is intel's recommended max) as I'd like to keep this cpu for work purposes and until I get a second cpu to play with and abuse, I want to keep the voltages safe.
On my P5Q-Deluxe, I was running 1.11v vFSB: 1.26v vNB and it was fine, although <1.20v and > 1.32v caused issues for me. I think the P45's are very sensitive.
On another note, my cpu fan control is not working, I'm on 0604 bios. Is this something that is rectified in the 1307 bios?
EDIT - one more thing - is the ROG light on the NB heatsink and the XFi card supposed to stay lit when the pc is off but has power to the mainboard?
Yes, the LEDs are on, when power is on the Board
Hello,
Just need to confirm that the Mushkin 2x2GB works well with this board. I've tried dominators 4x1GB and 2x2GB and they do not work well. Please let me know before I pull the trigger on newegg. The product is found here.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146789
Thanks.
Hi guys,Quote:
Originally Posted by SiGfever
Sorry I searched this thread for a link to that ISO but wasn't able to find it. Would you mind pointing me to that please? Mine came openbox from Newegg without anything at all. thanks.
I have the XP2-8500 2x2GB kit, it works very well, I am sure they will workQuote:
Originally Posted by ragzarok
I also run Domintors on this board and have zero issues with them, perhaps your dimms are bad?
I find the Dominators the best kit for the board personally.
You wont find any link for the MIIF DVD, its 2.25GBs
I made an image and let him DL from my FTP.
Thanks for your timely reply. I will take your advice and order the Mushkin. As for the DVD Iso, I asked because after installing the drivers I downloaded from Asus' website, I still have one unknown device on the computer, so I wanted to see what was on the DVD that I didn't get from the site. In any event, rightclicking shows the device's location to be "on Intel(R) ICH10R LPC Interface Controller - " which seems to imply that the southbridge chip may not have been installed. But I do show ICH10 Family 2 and 4 port serial ATA storage controllers installed. Any idea?
On my old A8N-SLI Deluxe mobo if you did a clean install of the os and did not insert the mobo disk the unkown divice would show in device manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragzarok
Pop the disk in for a few seconds and it would be gone.
So I can only assume its the same issue, if you cannot get a disk from Asus or the egg, lmk and I'll give you FTP ax to grab it from.
it looks like there is a new king of p45
http://www.foxconnchannel.com/Produc.../index_ELA.htm
I'm confused, when you scroll down they show either dual x16 bandwidth or 3 x8 bandwidth, is this true or am I just misunderstanding something?Quote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
I can see it now, MIIF Extreme w/ crosslink $350!!!!
I don't know if you have this issue resolved or not but the only issues I've had while trying to get high FSB w/ this board was due to a combination of PL and Clock Twister for a given NBv.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
The board would act weird if I had set PL to 8 while I had Clock Twister set to Strong w/ a NBv of 1.28 or less. Once I dropped the Clock Twister down to moderate all the weirdness disappeared.
thats what cross link dose u can disable a slot to gain bandwidth so u can reconfigure the slots in the bios, its nothing newQuote:
Originally Posted by TouGe
Yeah, I know what crosslink does but I guess I am a little confused as to why Asus didn't release this with their flagship P45 and slightly surprised to see it come from Foxconn first.Quote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
The LED to the ROG is turn on by default in the BIOS, you can turn of the LED if you wish.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
Cheers I figured out how to turn it off, it' s much better without it.
So does anyone have any issues with their CPU Fan Speed Control? Mine doesn't work at all, the fan stays at the same speed regardless of what I choose.
Also BIOS 1307 seems to have lower memory performance than 0604 at exactly the same settings. I lost 50 - 70 MB/s in read/copy when I upgraded.
Here's my 24/7 settings:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...3-PL8MIIF2.jpg
Board is working fine now :D
495 Mhz FSB Bench Stable with Q9550 @ 4,2 Ghz
http://www.abload.de/thumb/3d0623932wfq.jpg
But I ve´ got stil problems to get more than 450 Mhz FSB Prime Stable :(
formula
Lower voltages on the P45 chipset to hit higher FSB, and cooler running. However, the performance you get on the X38 may be better / similar to the M2F.
How do your benchmarks compare to ones you have seen of the M2F?
anyone have bios setting to run 525 x 8 stable , need help
so, im new to the whole intel scene (last one i owned was a pentium... yes just a pentium lol 75mhz ftw!) and im running 450FSB with 400 strap @ 1199 Dram Speed. ive got the e8400 and 2x1GB dominator kit rev 1.2. it seems like anything over 1200 dram speed causes my system to hang (even after tweaking the fsb to get 1220 dram speed) i have vdimm set at 2.2 (i think 2.19xxx real). but even after adjusting to as close as the stock speeds i can get while keeping 450fsb ive noticed that any timings below the stock 5-5-5-18 cause the system to hang on startup. the lcd poster hangs at DET DRAM when i use 4-4-4-12 for example. but a restart and resetting the sticks back to stock timings fixes the issue. this is my 1st set of micron chips (im assuming their microns) my old ddr2-800 5-5-5-18 set (not dominators, just DHX set) ran like champs at 600mhz 4-4-4-12, am i expecting too much out of these chips and more what im trying to figure out is what do intel's like, tighter clocks or higher speeds?
since this is the maximus II formula thread i think ill mention that the zalman 9500A is a pain to say the least to get onto this board, i finally managed to do it though using a east/west socket retention orientation and running the clip through the heatsink along with the way the fan blows. i had to modify the 775 clip (part #8 i believe) by cutting down the lip that curls under with my dremel so it would actually clear the heatpipe coming up on the right side of the socket. and i also had to turn it around backwards (make sure to do this if your going to put one on there) so that it wouldn't hit the fan (i found out the hard way and had to take it off and reseat it.)
Maximus X38 is crap compared to this board.Quote:
Originally Posted by trt740
Rampage is a better board I dont own it but I would say from what I have seen form the rampage, the Maximus II is a better board.
45nm chips will benifit from this board, my Q9550 runs higher FSB at much lowr volts.
The board runs much cooler than the X38, ram requires less volts for same speed, I would recommend this board to anyone.
most ppl can bench a high fsb with board....means not to much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seewolf
anything above 450FSB and GTL's will need to be dialed in correctly or your never going to get it stable.
Correct GTL's and PLL is your friend on this board.
My Corsair Dominators 2x1GBs do 1225MHz at 5-5-5-15 all day long mine are version 1.1 :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by vab206
DET DRAM is a PL issue, to low of a PL for your strap and you get DET DRAM.
Raise your PL and it will go away, 4-4-4-12 will not play well on high FSB Corsair ram will not like it much.
My suggeestion is to run 333 strap and set ram at 1080MHZ 5-5-5-15 PL 8 , I think you'll find your DET DRAM will be gone.
Quote:
Originally Posted by vab206
Hey. I am new to the Intel chip set my self. I have run Nvidia chip sets only since my old P3 800 system. But I found my move to Intel P45 the best one I ever done. I have OCZ Flex ddr2-1200, linked 1:1 running with 560 fsb. I have found more gain with a higher fsb than clock speed of my ram. I have never had any luck with ram running over manufactures specs. Best of luck with yours.
my corsair ram i have running on my amd system loved 4-4-4-12 @ 1200mhz ddr2. they were stock plain jane 5-5-5-18 sticks 1.8v ddr2-800. im gonna try them in my system and see how they perform. for record they were elepedia (sp?) chips rev 2.3
Wow that is nice oc for that ram. My OCZ sticks are not like the old sticks. Some different ic's on thiese ones. CPU-Z shows them to be PC2-5300, ocz just set them to run at 600 vs 333.
Here is an update on my battle to get a 4870 X2 into my system.
- I did flash my Diamond 4870 X2 to a Powercolor - it did not change anything.
- I actually returned my Diamond and purchased a Visiontek 4870 X2. I have the SAME problems exactly. The motherboard is NOT stable at stock settings with the 4870 X2. Aside from any stress tests, the USB's are connecting and disconnecting and acting improper, as a sign of my motherboard suffering.
- When I tried IntelBurnTest at stock settings, it would reboot my system almost immediately. After trying different things, I finally was able to pass IntelBurnTest successfully at stock settings with the exception of one: CPU volts. I had to overvolt my CPU at stock to get it to pass. However, USB is still messed up and acting funny.
- I've tried 2 different models of Gskill DDR2, I'm about to try another brand of DDR2 in a moment to see if that changes anything. Not that it makes any sense.
- While playing some games with the GTX 280 in there, I saw a couple glitches and suspicious behaviors that led me to suspect the system is not totally stable even with the GTX280 in there, even though it is at 4 ghz, passes all stress tests, and has no other obvious ailments. It could be my imagination and could be due to some other variables. The glitches were small; but at this point, I'm suspicious of the motherboard.
- I'm going to take anything extra out of the system right now, change the memory, and see if it fixes it. If not, unless someone else has another BIOS setting to try, I'm going to RMA this board. It simply must have a physical problem that is causing it to "die" when the 4870 X2 is put in, even at stock settings.
does this bored still have North bridge and south bridge overheating issues? or did Asus fix that?
Stable 24/7 settings (same voltages required as on my P5Q-Deluxe)
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...npackstabl.jpg
500FSB / DDR1200 (no hangs here >/= 1200, I have been up to 1220 so far without an issue)
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...SBDDR12002.jpg
*I do have an issue - when i go to burn a CD, Nero says my DVD drive is not in DMA mode, but I can't see anywhere in the bios to change it, as the bios only detects sata devices. If I enable DMA through nero, then reboot, it does not apply the change, and tells me again the drive is not in DMA mode when I use nero again.
When I burnt the CD it had clicks/distortion throughout it. This did not happen with the P5Q-Deluxe. Anyone else experience this problem?
**EDIT - I just played the CD I burnt on my stereo and it's fine, so it's just the pc making clicks and noise in the sound when reading from an audio CD, as if it cannot read it properly.
Quote:
Originally Posted by elsupremo
What PSU are you using????......and did you try another PSU?????.
Either your PSU is inadequate, your ram is dodgy, your not setting all your voltages correctly oor your mobo is a dud.
I'd first look at the PSU, then your ram and voltage settings..
Yes, in a previous post I detailed that I bought a new Corsair 1000W PSU (over my current CM Real Power Pro 850W) and it did not fix anything - my PSU is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by lowdog
I've tried 3 sets of RAM, they were all Gskill, although different models. I've experimented with a very wide range of voltages - and keep in mind when I have the GTX 280 in, it's stable at 4 ghz very easily.
If it's stable with the GTX 280, I'd be leaning towards bios - perhaps an incompatibility with that particular card. Have you tried the latest BIOS 1307?
Yes, I am running 1307. Also, others here have the same card and are running it without these difficulties. Remember I have tried TWO different 4870 X2's and have had the same problems.
An interesting update - I'm having more luck getting it into Windows by experimenting with different FSB's. 400 FSB x 10 (what I use for my GTX 280 stable settings) won't work at all with this card in there. 365 x 11, 410 x10 and 420 x 10 will, although I can't get any of them stable. It's very weird that the graphics card would have this effect, isn't it?
ya, my other memory wont even boot on this board @ 4-4-4-12 everything else set to auto, even running 5-5-5-18 they wont get up to the 1200 they were running at on my amd board :( o well
I was hinting in your other thread that they were not really running those speeds and timings, cpu-z was giving an incorrect reading, I've seen it a few times on AMD systems. There is no way any ram could do 1200 CAS 4 at only 2.1v, let alone the corsair you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by vab206
im going to try them on a abit nf-m2 nview (my new htpc board :D well not new ive had it for awhile) and if they dont do well i guess its safe to say that. idk why it would boot and show that on every program though, even memset showed 4-4-4-12 @ 600mhz ddr2.
i do have a question on how to install the freaking sound on this board... do you do the creative 1st then the soundmax program? when i install the creative i still get a popup saying "High Definition Audio Device found on HD audio bus" before i had the soundmax installed, then installed the creative then i got VERY bad hangups in CoD4 im guessing were related to sound, it kept repeating over and over, uninstalled everything, installed just the creative stuff and i get that popup and when i click on the creative button i get a message saying "there are no supported audio devices avalible. You need to close the Application"
can anybody please answer if this mobo still has chipset overheating problems?
Mine doesn't, 40*C NB temp idle, 45*C load, and i just tightened the NB heatsink screws fully before I booted up for the first time. Some boards seem to not have good contact between the NB and heatsink, I think it's just luck of the draw.
@elsupremo
Can you update your sig with your current componets and relevant voltages CPU (stock voltage) RAM (stock voltage) etc? Hopefully we will be able to spot an issue that can sort it for you. What version OS are you running and did you install the Catalyst Software Suite of just the display driver?
Also have you installed ATI Tray tools or Expertool at all?
Quote:
Originally Posted by vab206
You need to put the X-Fi card in the Black PCI Slot ! Your problem will then Disappear
I have 3 issues:
I do not have command rate (CR) in my bios, it is just not there. I didn't see it in 0604, and I now run 1307 and it's definitely not there. I thought this board allowed you to set the CR, it is listed in the manual.
Also, my cpu fan speed control still does not work using bios 1307. No matter what I set (standard/silent/turbo) the fan speed does not change.
Lastly, using an IDE DVD drive DVD and music playback (from the drive using discs) stutters and doesn't work properly.
Anyone else have these issues too?
What bios overclocks better?
I use Raid0 and my dvd is IDE. I set the DVD to master and attach the ribbon to primary on the board, I have zero issue's.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
I dont use the fan speed controller so I cannot comment
701 clock'd nice for me, 802 was sketchy and I find 1307 rather nice and stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiGfever
Have not tried any other bios
I am currently running 701, do you recommend going to 1307?
And as promised here is the Excel spreadsheet for tracking settings.
I like 1307, there is really no benifit in terms of OC but it has more memory compatibility added and it supports E0 ,Quote:
Originally Posted by SiGfever
i would like to ask the formula for gtl is it:
GTL 0/2 = vtt x 0.635
GTL 1/3 = nb x 0.667
to change
nb x 0.667 + Y = vtt x 0.635
CMIIW i dont know the formula is it like this? please help i still cannot reach 500x8.5 or 525x8
imo, it seems like your boards isn't getting enough power. your using the 8 pin power and not just the 4 pin with the cap on the other 4 right?Quote:
Originally Posted by elsupremo
**I sorted out the IDE drive stuttering & not running in DMA mode issue. I had a cable problem, and re-seating it correctly solved it. Stupid I know but I was rushing putting it all together as i had work to do on it that night.
@barong
If you have a 45nm cpu, to work out what to put for the the 0.667x GTL Ref (Y) values (it will be a negative number to make the resulting voltage the same as the 0.635x GTL Ref voltage), use the following eqn
For me, Vtt = 1.14v
1.14v x 0.667 - Y = 1.14v x 0.635
0.760 - Y = 0.724
Y = 0.724 - 0.760
Y = -0.036V
Y = -36.5 mv
So to verify it:
1.14v x 0.635 = 0.724
1.14v x 0.667 = 0.760
0.760 - 0.036 = 0.724
or an easier, non algebraic alternative:
1.14v x 0.635 = 0.724v
1.14v x 0.667 = 0.760v
0.726 - 0.760 = -0.036v
= -36mv
Round up to the nearest selectable value = -40mv
This means to equalize the GTL Ref values, I choose -40mv for the 2 values where the 0.667x multiplier is used. This makes the resultant voltage the same as the resultant voltage for the values where the 0.635x multiplier is used.
You need to work it out using whatever you personally use for Vtt substituted in place of the 1.14v I used in this example.
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