blow a fan and see if temps dropQuote:
Originally Posted by nealh
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blow a fan and see if temps dropQuote:
Originally Posted by nealh
Any body here experienced whenever you up the vdimm to 2.4volt, the rig wil auto shut down during bencing?
450mhz FSB with memory timings as loose as 5-5-5-15 on D9. It is like some kinda 'over voltage protection'. My cpu and memory is capable of doing more than 450mhz(FSB) on Infinity 975X/G and Asus P5B dlx. But no luck on this Dark-S=(
Please help me on this auto shut down. Thx
hmm maybe fiddle with dq calibration / fine clk tuning? I've also heard to bump vtt a notch, although I haven't confirmed
vtt defintely has an important role in overclockig my RAM to be stable.
I had to bump it up to 1.36v, otherwise my system would freeze during orthose blend that stresses both CPU & Ram.
It's almost certain that other people and including myself had to change DDR configuration to mode 3 and possibly change the GTL driving strength to mode 2 for tighter timing stability.
I also noticed that for my ram to run stable over 450FSB, I had to increase my voltage from 2.2 to 2.225. whereas I used to be able to bring my rams up to 500FSB 1:1 with only 2.2v on the DS3 Rev3.3
I'm somewhat dissapointed with this board, however I'll be getting a pair of PC-8500 D9 rams and try again to go over 500FSB threadshold.
This board is known to be pickier in RAMS than other boards.
You definetely need a lot of time tweaking (took me exactly 7 days) from setting up the board to finalize my OC.
@ XtremeTiramisu - do you experiencing any squeezing sounds from the motherboard while you running blend stress test after you bump up the VTT voltage?
i get that squealing even with 1.2vtt
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bail_w
Quote:
Originally Posted by ziddey
you've drawed a very good question!
I did in fact started noticing the squealing noise comming from the mobo when the ram is under stressing (Orthos Blend) after I raised my VTT above 1.28v. I hardly notice any squealing sound when I didn't touch VTT adjustment. However, when I eventually moves on to higher clock speed vs FSB vs RAM clock speed, I had to bump the voltage somewhere and VTT does seems to be the source of the squealing noise I'm getting.
Like ziddey mentioned, he even noticed squealing noise even at stock 1.2v
That doesn't mean my ears are less sensitive than his but many each mobo with each diff ram under each diff condition may turn out a bit differently. But all in all, it's confirmed that this mobo does like to squeal when your ram is under stressing or even just under regular accessing.
The squealing noise is audible but not extremely annoying.
However it differs from cases to cases. If you're under an extremely quiet environment ~10-20db and you've a water cooling setup that's less noise generated than air cooled system, you may find the noise more noticeable.
sine the noise is at around 16k range so when you notice the noise and you started paying attention to it, it's quite piercing to the ears...
This is ANOTHER downside I found with this board, too bad we all rushed in buying this mobo like we're all xxxxing beta testers on this board.
Who would buy P965 chipset mobo in late april-may 2007 when this tech was released over a year ago....why?! cos we want to take the OC to the next level with absolute stability over 500FSB...and although there are some succesful cases with ppl bringing over 500FSB but there are also many cases where ppl would face problems when OC this board. This is certainly not a OC board for OC noob to start with...and I only consider I'm a OC intermeidate to be conservative.
If you check DFI club forum, you'd notice that there's already a thread existing with over 5 pages in regards to "squealing noise" and mobo killed their rams or mobos is dead along with squealing noise..etc.
Once again, I learned the lesson the hard way like I feel myself as a complete noob once again. I think I'll never trust ANY reviews from any reviewers from the even most reputable and legit site. I'll ONLY TRUST private/personally/non-commercial/non-advertising reviews and OC results (at least reported form >50 people) on FORUMS not paid/sponsored sites....
DFI P965-S Dark potential buyers, if you're reading this...don't you think I've exaggearated any of my words/describtion..take my words very literally.
However, that still doesn't conclude this board is simply bad. There is no simple GOOD or BAD mobo. The best rated board WILL has its flaw(s) and the only solution/remedy to that is...of course...a newer mobo...a new revision..a new tech to take over...
Well, if i bump up the VTT voltages up once. i will be experincing squeezing sounds out of the motherboard. look like the motherboard is trying to sing to me which is kind of annoying.
Well, although this motherboard couldnt be flawless as the lanparty series but the "best" p965 motherboard asus p5b deluxe have lots of problems. So i am pretty happy with this motherboard right now.
true true, ive got the squeling sometimes, i mean running blend it will do it off and on for a while then it wont do it for several hours then itll come back again for a little while,
but i must say that this board for this chipset gets to 500fsb very easy, out of all my 965 boards this has been the easiest to oc to high fsb, thats out of the p5b-d,biostar 965pt, quadgt, and a S3,
still its the last 965 chipset ill get, good thing those p35 are looking good for ocing so far
Well, i tired to bump up my VTT voltages up to 1.32v, and the squeezing sound still does exists but not as bad as 1.27v.
Even those 50 people are sponsored!;) Think moreQuote:
Originally Posted by XtremeTiramisu
The 500FSB stock volts was true. Just anything above it is hit or miss. :rolleyes: My second board went up in smoke for no reason @ all. Powered up & it started smoking between the dimm slots & the 24 pin connector. Fortunately all the hardware was not damged. The board goes back to Newegg today:(
HOLY * S M O K E S *Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
:eek:
hey i it my ram thats holding me back me thinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
i have tried 4-4-4-15-4-25-3-11-12-3-8-6-6-5-6-4
and the ram still fails at 465.should i try cooling it or uping vtt to 1.3 ??
also this ram should do 1000 shouldent it ?
Are you still running 2.2v on your ram? Perhaps 2.25-2.3v will stabalize the oc. I suggest you download memtest 1.70 & loop test #5 for 2 hours to see if you get errors. You need to determine if your memory oc is unstable.Quote:
Originally Posted by awhir
Yes you should up the vtt to 1.32v, because i was not able to pass 467 FSB without increasing the vtt voltages.Quote:
Originally Posted by awhir
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c371/bail_w/3-1.jpg
This is kind of bumming news. After thinking I finally got stability, after a week of usage, I noticed about 25% of the time, when I would boot into Windows, explorer would crash once. Other than that, nothing else crashes. So I decide to run large fft, and sure enough, it fails around 10 minutes every time. Do note I was able to complete 40+ hours just a week ago.
Hmm, I have been trying to lower vcore, so I pull it back up. Still fails after 50 minutes. ?! The only thing I've done was lap the heatsink, which lowered temps about 5 degrees. Hmm..
Well, i was able to complete the OCCT 1 hrs stress test and fail orthos in 30 mins. Usually, i do 8 hrs of orthos and it fail OCCT 30 mins test but i will run OCCT for 4 hrs and see what happen.
&^@%^^&#^%&#$ Had to clear the cmos and it gave me bad ram beep. One of my d9gkx's will only boot with 2.1v now. Only used it for a week and a half too. Practically new. Only exposed it to 2.2v with fans over them, keeping ic's under 40'c at all times according to my thermistor.
oh no
I'm starting to wonder if the whining sound near the dimms when stressed, the pickiness of this board with ram, the death of my best G. Skill kit, & sudden combustion near the dimm slots are all pointing towards something.
well heres a few hours at 500fsb figured id throw this up here, memory cellshock and cooled with a mach ii gt, ignore the orthos clock it apparently doesnt adjust for multi changes, cpuz is accurate
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5...r500fsboi7.jpg
DFI should investigate this..Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
maybe the board is stressing the rams to much..
any DFI tech here???
I did some testing and found something interesting about the squealing.
I used rmclock for the job. I put full load on cpu. Forced 6x with lowest voltage and got low pitched squealing. When I upped to 7x and lowest vcore, I got higher squealing. When I moved to 8x and max vcore, it went up more.
So it seems the squealing might not be entirely related to ram necessarily. I'm too lazy to get a tube and see where I can pinpoint the squeal from
edit: Since the dfi doesn't have a way to adjust vcore on the fly in windows natively like the gigabyte's do with easytune, but it does employ vid switching with c1e even with altered vcore, this can be helpful. 1.325 or whatever the native vid is will be the vcore set in bios. By dropping this, it will drop vcore. cpuz will show improper results, but enough to show that the vid is being manipulated. speedfan/smartguardian will indeed show that the vcore is changing. Definitely useful for on the fly vcore adjustment to find lowest needed vcore for stability, instead of constantly switching around with bios and then more testing.
I'm down to 1.47v stable at 3.6ghz and lowering at the moment. A lot better than the previous 1.5v I was using. Load temps have dropped about 3'c so far.
edit: 1.45v now
3420 8x380..stock + 175mv L47G431..not a great chip.. bios reads 1.5v...DMM idle is 1.5v, load is 1.48v
NB,SB,Vtt default...initially ran all defaults on ram..only change was cpu vcore and fsb(last night it ram P95 for about hr..this am..it would have an immed reboot....
so....
well I have issues with my ram
Ram vdd..default is 1.9v..DMM reads 1.83v
set 2.0 v and DMM reads 1.9v
set 2.1v and DMM reads 2.08/2.09 idle..load is 2.04/2.05
I am using Crucial Ballistix DDR1000..when running at 2.0v(dmm reads 1.9v) at 3400..380x8...4-4-4 I get immed reboot in P95.....set to 2.1v, still 380 1:1 4-4-4 reboots after a few min
380x8 1:1..5-5-5-15 @2.1v....P95 is running 45min
I am surprised this ram is not able to do DDR760 at 4-4-4 at 2.1v
Quote:
Originally Posted by awhir
Try 4-4-4-12-4-40-A-13-11..... leave everything at stock volts.....
Im not sure if it was mentioned here before but I find giving too much voltage in this mobo is a no-no..... so start at stock voltage and only raise voltage as needed....
you should read the previous pages regarding about the DDR configuration settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
ok guys thanks the ram now passed 475:D
1 more thing core temp does not work with my pc .when i load it it up it just stays at 18C and doesnt more.
anyone know anything about this.
you should download the latest version of speedfan, it is the same reading as core temp.Quote:
Originally Posted by awhir
I have looked at numerous pages but the settings are all over the place..also I have not seen any crucial ballistix ddr1000 in the threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Bail_w
ya but if you read the previous couple pages, many people having success if you put your settings like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
DDR Configuration = Mode 3
GTL+ Driving Strength = Mode 2
Enhanced Data Transmitting = auto
Enhanced Addressing = auto
DQ Calibration: Auto
Channel 1/2 CLK Fine Delay = Auto/Auto
and increase VTT to 1.36v
hi!
Someone can post here his PC2-6400 FirestixFSX800D2C-K2G settings ?
Try the settings above your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by hausner
My cpu did 3.820 on RD600(winter assisted) 3720 on evga, BFG, & 3631 on p5B Deluxe. So far I've only gotten 3730 to pass 12 hours orthos on this board. To eliminate my memory as the reason prime fails in 2 -3 hours, I ran memtest for a few hours. After an 8 hour pass @ the same settings that failed prime, I've decided either the board needs more tweaking or the cpu too hot. I'm thinking its the cpu heat. Anyway, have you tested your memory with memtest to see if you get errors? If it doesn't chances are u either need to tweak the board some more or you've reached the limit of your cpu.Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
I have the same problem and I RMA the board because, with default settings in bios but with 2,0 or 2,1 vdimm in my GSKILL DDR800 HZ my systems reboot in Orthos at one or two minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
The technician is testing my system and he told me that he test the system with other memory (TeamXtreem) and the system runs fine. I don't think that the problem is RAM because I'm sure that it runs in other motheboard very well ( ASUS P5W DH Deluxe ). I think the probelm is that motheboard.
I'm thinking seriously to buy a Gigabyte P35 DS4.
sorry by my bad English.
it's not the board...
i am finally stable @ 525x8
1.48vcore
2.22vdimm 4 4 4 9 4 30 2 10 10 2 8 6 5 5 4 4
1.5vtt
without reboots.
I don't think its the board either. I think its just picky with certain micron d9's trying to determine which now. Micron D9GKX (B6-25E) seem to be most successful, followed by Micron D9GMH (B6-3). I'm wondering if its the PCB used. Doom what were the rest of the memory settings? auto auto Fast Fast auto auto?Quote:
Originally Posted by doom_st
Thanks,Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
but I tested the system with other memory and fail too. Do you think that I cannot do anything to stabilize my system with my configuration ?
Have I to sell my memory or my board if technician return to me ?
what are your settings man, because i have GSkill HZ and my system are 100% stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by yenclas
I tested with very changes in the bios that I saw in this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bail_w
What is your settings ?
my settings were posted in the previous page.Quote:
Originally Posted by yenclas
Thanks, but with your settings my system hangs too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bail_w
Okay but did you test with memtest or run prime again? A failed prime blend can be a problem with memory settings, voltage, or cpu. I always run memtest to rule out memory issues or run FTT's instead of blend. If your system will loop memtest #5 for 8 hours or so, then chances are your cpu need more volts or has reached its ceiling. Secondly you could simply need additional voltage in other areas such as cpu-vtt or nb core.Quote:
Originally Posted by yenclas
Well my DFI P965-S Dark is uninstalled and my new Asus P5k Deluxe is up and installing XP64. If anyone wants a DFI P965 let me know cause it's hitting eBay soon.
burningrave101 what ram did u try with your board?
Why dont you just post your settings and i will take a look at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by yenclas
I am sorry..I was not real concerned on the cpu overclock..the chips is not great..best maybe 3500..Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
I was just perplexed at ram (Crucial Ballistix DDR1000).....I expected at 380 fsb it would easily be stable at 2.0v....but with auto settings it sets to 4-4-4 at 2.0v this is a no go...
in fact I am still testing but 380 1:1 5-5-5 looks to need 2.05-2.1 v
Now I have not tweaked the settings...but I did not think 380 fsb at 1:1 would be a tight enough latency to cause issues
I am not blaming the mobo or my cpu...just really surprised..I guess I expected too much based on my ignorance
What I remember of my crucials compared to my g. Skills was their default voltage is 2.2 for their entire Ballistix line. I would not think that under 2.1 would be possibe @ any frequency above PC2-5300. You are simply undervolting your ram, thus it's failing.
I am comming to that conclusionQuote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
My 10th anniv runs DDR780 4-4-4-12 at 2.0v..so I had hoped the Ballistix would undervolt at DDR760....but it appears I am asking too much of the ram
I just tried DDR 952 5-5-5-15-30 at 2.2v(mobo delivers only 2.2v by DMM)
..man these stick get real hot at 2.2v...with Prime running
ddr mode3Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
gtl mode2
fast
fast
dq 5
auto
auto
Your chips must be based on Micron D9GKX (B6-25E)Quote:
Originally Posted by doom_st
ran P95 blend....Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
well I upped vdmm to 2.2
set ram DDR 952...4:5 divider with 380 fsb
ddr mode3
gtl mode2
fast
fast
dq auto
auto
auto
ran for awhile ..left came back to a black screen and reboot to cmos checksum error...clear cmos with jumoer and starting over again..blah
You will probably have to raise voltages for 4:5. The board is not optimized for that divider.Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
I didn't know you were on the 4:5 divider. With that in mind, what voltage do you have set for the nb? This board struggles to run the 4:5 divider. For most people it won't even boot. When successful, it takes a significant amount of voltage on the nb 1.5v+. This board is optimized for 1:1 up to 500FSB with very little tweaking or voltage. I know it's not what you want but try 1:1 same settings. Also I still don't think the gtl needs to be changed @ such a low clock.
well so far i am having great luck with my board, ram is the cellshock (d9gkx)
settings
mode3 mode 2 fast fast auto auto auto
ran orthos at 500x8 for over 8 hours and good to go, i just installed my new NB cooler the extreme spirit II which dropped my NB temps by 4c under full load, i know most of the guys like longer like 12 to 30 hours orthos but i dont wanna spend the time with that right now, still going up bit by bit to see what i can get stable,
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3...thosrunuf8.jpg
edit: oh and the squealing noise i got when running blend test orthos at these same settings but with large fft's no squealing
Looks good MADMAX22. I have some OCZ DDR2 PC2-8000 Titanium Alpha VX2's on the way. I'm hoping they're d9gkx's. I always do 8 hour runs on a new board until I get to what I think is the max. Especially when I already know what the cpu has done on previous boards. Keep raising that FSB, it lets me know what to shoot for when I get more ram. I'm currently running orthos 7 X 500 1:1 to prove this board's 500FSB is stable without raising voltage.
either the board or CPU is limiting me. I did the 266fsb pin mod to my E2140 but the FSB wall still remains at about 410 fsb. Not sure if its the DFI board or the CPU.
you setting nb strap in the bios to 266?
for real ! (cellshock pc8000 cl5 week 30 06)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
@ madmax22 try this up to ~530fsb vdimm 2.25v
mode3
mode2
fast
fast
dq 5
auto
auto
4
4
4
9
4
29
1
9
9
2
8
6
5
5
4
4
i hope to be stable like mine.
doom_st hey very nice chip you got there
thanks for the ram timings works great initial, will stable test tonight/morning and see if they are stable enough at 505 fsb, seems good so far
for >515 fsb you have to set cpuvtt 1.42-1.5v in order to prevent random reboots @ orthos blend/3d (if any, due to high cpu frequency)
I just tried 4:5 to DDR 952..as a quick testQuote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
I had been 1:1....went back to 1:1
ran P95 for 8hrs..except speedfan gave some weird error message and core 2 was not under full load..weird ..prime still was running on both cores but explorer.exe was using 10% cycles and P95 was getting 90%..so it failed again at
3420 (380x9)...380 fsb 1:1 DDR 760 5-5-5-15-30. with 2.1v(I know not 2.2v..just trying to keep voltage down)....all other ram stuff at auto
it appears to be stable for only about 5hrs...
Okay, now I know my board will do 500FSB stable with no change in voltage. Now to see how far before I need more.
http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/1...thosyv0.th.jpg
congrats. wish I could say the same. and again I'll say that that's one hell of a cpu you've got there. one hell of a cpu!!!
Whoops. Forgot to mention that the screenie is of 6x500. Guess that'd make it easier than to have you figure out actual fsb based on my sig and the "nbcc" given by memset
I don't quite believe it. Just when I was about to throw in the towel too.. I couldn't sleep and so I went at it again. Check this out:
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/7...ysmokesll4.jpg
Basically, I did the same old crank up voltages and see what happens approach. This time I even went a little further, with 1.7vsb and 1.5vtt. Still absolutely no dice. Wouldn't even escape post properly. I even tried setting the memory advance features to normal, but still no help.
So, I went and switched everything I could in dram page to auto, except for the default 8665. Then, in the main page, I tried 500fsb and 100pcie again. Nope. No dice.
So, that got me to thinking. What's the one thing I never played with? I've diddled with dq, ddr mode, and all that until my synapses started misfiring. But what didn't I touch?? 8665!!! Change it to 8666 and try again.
Holy moly would you look at that?
I posted that particular screenshot because it's a little peculiar. It seems to be setting timings a little more aggresively than what spd calls for. Now I recall in the past, when I first got the board, it used values of 5-5-5-18 like a good little boy. I think one of the memory enhance options actually may not adjust internal latencies, but sort of advances timings one table in the spd. It may do more than that though.
I noticed the same behavior with my p5b vanilla. When I set static read to fast (or maybe it was faster, can't recall which option it had), it also forwarded timings one table. But I did also notice that when I manually set timings, and just switched around with static read, I still got a little boost in bandwidth.
Subtimings are still seeming to be different for different boards. With the p5b, I'd get 4-28-2-11-9-2-8-4-4. With this, I'm getting 4-50-2-15-9-2-8-4-4. But that's a minor detail.
Now you might be wondering why I'm doing small fft in the screenshot, since blend is the one notorious for locking up right away. I wasn't anticipating cas4, and so only gave 2.1v instead of the 2.2v these sticks need. So blend errors out rather quickly (read, it's an error out instead of a lockup!).
So now it's time to bump up vdimm slightly and see what happens then. I did a quick mbench and saw latency of about 55. When I had memory enhancements to fast, I saw in the mid-upper 40's. When I had them as normal, they were in the low 60's. So this 55 seems to be some sort of middle value. Interesting to say the least!
edit: Just for comparison sake, here's fast/fast 4-4-4-10-4-28-2-11-9-2-8-6-6-5-4-4 vs auto/auto 4-4-4-12-4-50-2-15-9-2-8-6-6-6-4-4
Access latency 47.9 ns (192 clocks)
Read datarate (INT) 8070 Mb/s
Write datarate (INT) 3751 Mb/s
Read datarate (MMX) 8712 Mb/s
Write datarate (MMX) 3773 Mb/s
Read datarate (SSE) 9158 Mb/s
Write datarate (SSE) 9131 Mb/s
Access latency 54.9 ns (220 clocks)
Read datarate (INT) 7137 Mb/s
Write datarate (INT) 3418 Mb/s
Read datarate (MMX) 7979 Mb/s
Write datarate (MMX) 3421 Mb/s
Read datarate (SSE) 8174 Mb/s
Write datarate (SSE) 7890 Mb/s
While the results are indeed incredibly subsatisfactory, it is worthy to compare to a p5b:
4-4-4-4-4-25-2-10-9-3-8-x-x-x-4-4 static read fast(er)
Access latency 60.0 ns (240 clocks)
Read datarate (INT) 6797 Mb/s
Write datarate (INT) 2773 Mb/s
Read datarate (MMX) 7421 Mb/s
Write datarate (MMX) 2767 Mb/s
Read datarate (SSE) 7821 Mb/s
Write datarate (SSE) 9022 Mb/s
Interesting that the p5b did so well for sse write.
But most importantly, if you look simply at the clocks/latency, you'll see what I'm trying to get at.
update: bumped vdimm to 2.2v, and blend is chugging :)
update: :(
FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4
Hardware failure detected, consult stress.txt file.
Torture Test ran 8 minutes 17 seconds - 1 errors, 0 warnings.
Execution halted.
wonder what it could be. vmch bump probably
And now for some humor. normal/normal.
Access latency 66.8 ns (268 clocks)
Read datarate (INT) 6079 Mb/s
Write datarate (INT) 2567 Mb/s
Read datarate (MMX) 6935 Mb/s
Write datarate (MMX) 2600 Mb/s
Read datarate (SSE) 7096 Mb/s
Write datarate (SSE) 7839 Mb/s
I think I might know why it is setting 4-4-4-12 instead of 5-5-5-18. It's 1:1 divider and 266strap, so it looks for 266mhz spd programming. Perhaps when I saw 5-5-5-18, it was at stock, and using 2:3 divider.
I have spent the last 4 days trying to get this motherboard Orthos blend stable. Tried different sticks of ram and all it does is prolong the hourly wait towards an inevitable error. I have also tried changing all the voltages / timings and still no dice. You name it I've done it. After all this work once everything is up and running, in the end the squealing may not be worth all the hassle. On load, the squeal is louder than all the fans in my case combined. I can't believe I waited weeks for this to go in stock. :shakes:
lol I hear ya buddy, mine doesnt squeak but I cant get anything over 367x9 and 400x8 orthos stable for more than 2 hours...
I couldn't get mine stable with 2x1GB Firestix PC2 6400 no matter what settings I tried. Prime always failed eventually. So I tried a set of the cheap Super Talent PC2 5400 from Ewiz, set the timings to 5-5-5-15 @2.2v, the rest to auto. Primes all day at 500x7 with 1.35v mch and +137.5mv Vcore, the rest stock. Maybe not the fastest memory but at least it works.
yeah i think that this mem might be my problem
anyone have issues running Prime95 and speedfan??
seems to be causing issues for me..I went back to SG(for temp monitoring) and Prime95 is still running at 3hrs of blend..speedfan would error out of system would reboot..not sure whether I am having a software conflict
When I run Prime95...I usually have coretemp 0.94, speedfan and windows taskmanager running
hmm never really thought of that before. i always throw the slew of programs open and put them on my second monitor. sg, sf, ct, setfsb, orthos, memset, cpuz
edit: what if you go down to stock settings? can you run p95 and speedfan together?
never tried stock(like 30min)for long..generally crashes seems to occur after 30min to 1hr or soQuote:
Originally Posted by ziddey
the odd thing is when speedfan crashes ..it gives some exception error..did this 3 times(I figured it was simply a voltage issue on chipset/vtt/ram/cpu)..but sometimes, the system just does a hard-reboot
I am still not sure this is a real issue but it maybe...was wondering if anyone else had problems...I am using speedfan 4.32
it could be coretemp and speedfan together....
I am at 4hrs of Prime95 v251 blend at e6600@ 3420(8x380) 1:1 w/ Ballistix at DDR760 4-4-4-12 @ 2.2v...set auto-auto-fast-fast-auto-auto
nb 1.30/vtt 1.275/cpu +175mv...these were tested earlier to day with speefan open and it reboot....now no speedfan and using SG/coretemp 0.94/windows taskmanager...going strong at 4hrs
Hmm...I may have to reassess all my voltages???
wonder if speedfan is conflicting with something
I'm noticing some anomalies. Currently, I'm at 450fsb fast/fast. This is what I get from mbench:
Access latency 53.9 ns (195 clocks)
Read datarate (INT) 7174 Mb/s
Write datarate (INT) 2973 Mb/s
Read datarate (MMX) 7799 Mb/s
Write datarate (MMX) 2982 Mb/s
Read datarate (SSE) 8167 Mb/s
Write datarate (SSE) 8066 Mb/s
Now, let's drop the multi from 8x to 7x with rmclock and continue to boost fsb up to 500 with setfsb. Run mbench again:
Access latency 55.8 ns (202 clocks)
Read datarate (INT) 6843 Mb/s
Write datarate (INT) 3076 Mb/s
Read datarate (MMX) 7429 Mb/s
Write datarate (MMX) 3085 Mb/s
Read datarate (SSE) 7750 Mb/s
Write datarate (SSE) 8086 Mb/s
Got worse???
That's probably the effect of 100 Mhz less overall clock speed. I'm sure I can run the same test with similar results. I will if you like.
Well I mean, when I was able to boot 7x500ff, or even 6x500ff, I saw:
Access latency 47.9 ns (192 clocks)
Read datarate (INT) 8070 Mb/s
Write datarate (INT) 3751 Mb/s
Read datarate (MMX) 8712 Mb/s
Write datarate (MMX) 3773 Mb/s
Read datarate (SSE) 9158 Mb/s
Write datarate (SSE) 9131 Mb/s
Monster latency/bandwidth.
I manipulate multiplier in windows with rmclock, while I use setfsb to change around. The actual cpu speed doesn't really affect memory bandwidth much at all. However, that said, I do see a very clear drop in memory performance as I'm scaling fsb up. Regardless, I'm at a loss of words for 500fsb. Just can't get it stable anymore :(
Hopefully we see some p35 boards with memory enhancement features out soon.
You got me curious so I slap the system back together for a quick run.
Intel P6 processor (CPUID = 6f6) @ 3508 MHz 7X 500
Instruction set support : MMX SSE SSE2
Access latency 49.9 ns (200 clocks)
Read datarate (INT) 7652 Mb/s
Write datarate (INT) 3615 Mb/s
Read datarate (MMX) 8428 Mb/s
Write datarate (MMX) 3656 Mb/s
Read datarate (SSE) 8907 Mb/s
Write datarate (SSE) 8965 Mb/s
Intel P6 processor (CPUID = 6f6) @ 3805.4MHz 8 X 475
Instruction set support : MMX SSE SSE2
Access latency 52.3 ns (199 clocks)
Read datarate (INT) 7601 Mb/s
Write datarate (INT) 3434 Mb/s
Read datarate (MMX) 8207 Mb/s
Write datarate (MMX) 3444 Mb/s
Read datarate (SSE) 8621 Mb/s
Write datarate (SSE) 8548 Mb/s
Intel P6 processor (CPUID = 6f6) @ 4009.1MHz 8 X 501
Instruction set support : MMX SSE SSE2
Access latency 48.1 ns (193 clocks)
Read datarate (INT) 8122 Mb/s
Write datarate (INT) 3619 Mb/s
Read datarate (MMX) 8858 Mb/s
Write datarate (MMX) 3631 Mb/s
Read datarate (SSE) 9138 Mb/s
Write datarate (SSE) 9024 Mb/s
I left the memory timings the same for each run & boot from bios. No memset etc.
auto auto fast fast auto auto auto 4-4-4-12-4-30-2-10-10-2-8-6-5-5-4-4
One thing I've learned about this board today...... loud squeal = too much voltage. Turned down the voltage (memory) and the squeal went away. I don't know if this applies to all the Dark boards but this is what happened on mine. Tried lots of things to get rid of the squeal. Thought it was a timing thing. Today it was strictly voltage.
hmm..my second board looks like it will run much cooler on NB
wonder if there is a problem with my first board
if you remove the stock nb heatsink and clean out the "gum" then use AS5, you temperature should drop about 5 degree.
did this on both..first I used a thin layer of AS5...idle temps 42+Quote:
Originally Posted by Bail_w
second board..ceramique...idle temp at initial setup is 27C!!!!!...stock NB volt
Whith what are you measuring NB temps? bios or some program? I dont know who to trust for those :)
I have used Everest and SG on first board...idle stock temps with AS5 is 42C...in all these threads I saw 1 or 2 people with similar tempsQuote:
Originally Posted by RealTelstar
The second board so far just a bios reading
I realize the temps are not "accurate" but why would 2 boards with nearly the same serial number act so different....there serial numbers are within 2
The difference maybe the temp monitoring chip. In general motherboards use low precision ICs to keep costs down.Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
I got some ballistix 1000's coming this week, going to see if they get along with this mobo better than my ddr2 800 firestix.
Even different bios release can show diff temps. How much is your ambient? I dont find 27°C very realistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
According to everest my mb temp is 38° with 27°C ambient (pretty hot here). It seems high considering that i'm using a copper heatsink on the NB and the ventilation is great.
@idle my MB temp is higher than cpu by 4-5 degrees.
Yo guys! Just recieved my 965-S DARK a few days ago.
Just wondering in Everest, which one is the NB temp? 'Cause i see Motherboard and AUX...=S
or do i need to update my version of Everest??
EDIT: NVM, i worked it out.. i compared the temps with SG, and it turns out that:
In Everest..
MB Temp = NB Temp in SG
CPU Temp = System Temp in SG
AUX Temp = CPU Temp in SG..
Also, does anyone know which of the 2 HR-09's would fit the P965-S..? what about used in conjunction with a ninja~
i was thinking HR-09S both top and rear.. cause my ninja seems to overshadow the mosfets.. =P
Well folks, can't say it wasn't fun but it's time for me to leave. Just too many problems and didn't meet my expectations. P35 looks tasty :)
Last straw occurred recently, when I noticed the system was a little sluggish, but I couldn't pinpoint it. I found my sata drive was in "udma2" mode instead of the usual 5. Running hdtach shows synthetics that are no different than how they should be though, so I don't know if it really makes a difference, or if it's something else. When I switch sata ports, my drive goes into multiword dma2, and is incredibly slow. Not only that, half the time, windows will stall either on boot or before it loads up explorer.
Then today it got worse, and I was getting random stalls / lock ups and had to raise vsb to 1.6v. I'd expect this kind of behavior from jmicron but certainly not ich8r. Grr!
I was experiencing randoms reboot even though i stress my oc for 8+ hours but after i swap the ram with my second rig, it seems to be running fine right now.
Zid: Do these problems happen @ stock settings?
Yeah, I've tried different sata cables too. Best case scenario, the drive is "udma2". Not that big a deal I suppose. Don't have a windows install with ahci at the moment to compare with, but the synthetics are pretty much the same, so ehh
I lied ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark79
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...e79/orthos.jpg
I'm over 9 hours Orthos stable at 3.73 (533FSB).
Voltages are currently:
CPU: 1.475
RAM: 2.25
NB: 1.45
VTT: 1.375
SB: 1.6
Haven't had a chance to lower volts just yet but I think some can be dropped.
Don't think I'll be able to go much higher as I'm getting to the limit of this RAM. Currently it's at DDR2-1066 5-5-5-15.
@Dark79:
Can you try large FFT's? I thought I was stable at 500x7, passed blend, small FFT and OCCT for >12 hours, but large FFT always fails in an hour, more or less.
Dark79, looks very nice! I'll post some better results with my board when I get the Tuniq :)
I'll try this when I get home, but I think this board is just quirky with some tests.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyfisher
EDIT: Same problem. Large FFTs always fails. Strange
Planning on using the stock Tuniq fan? I'm using a tri-blade delta fan, but I need something better. My temps haven't increased much after changing from the stock fan to the delta fan and switching from AS5 to Shin-Etsu even though I've increased FSB and voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nazu
But I'm not all that confident that a 3-blade fan is able to push sufficient air through the Tuniq fins plus is loud ;)
Very nice Dark. I can't put up w/ the crazy noise of the Tuniq's stock fan, let alone a delta. :p The Scythe 1200RPM landed in my Tuniq and now sits on the UE. It's a bit louder than the Tuniq w/ the dial all the way down. For comparison, here's what my safe OC looks like:
http://thenicetech.com/stockvolts.jpg
I've gotten some fairly decent results with some ballistix, I think my board is a :banana::banana::banana::banana: clocker though I need high mobo volts to do anything.
Here my results :)
SISTEM:
Cpu: E6600 L30A754
Memory: Cellshock PC8000 CL4 - Micron D9GKX (blue slot )
PSU:Hiper 580 Watt
Coolinhg: Zalman 9700NT
3600Mhz 8X451 Memory 1:1
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/4...600451bep6.jpg
Code:GENIE BIOS SETTING
NB Strap Select 266MHz
CPU Clock Ratio 8 X
CPU Clock 451 MHz
Boot Up Clock Auto MHz
DRAM Speed 533 MHz
PCIE Clock 100 MHz
CPU FEATURE
Thermal Management Control Disabled
Limit CPUID MaxVal Disabled
PPM Function Disabled
C1E Function Disabled
Execute Disable Bit Enabled
Virtualization Technology Disabled
Frequency Unlimit Disabled
VOLTAGE SETTING
CPU Voltage Setting +2.235mV
DRAM Voltage Setting 2.050V
VTT VOltage Setting 1.275V
NB 1.25V Setting 1.35V
SB 1.5V Setting 1.6V
SB 1.05V Voltage Setting 1.05V
Current CPU Voltage 1.42V
Current DRAM Voltage 2.05V
Current VTT 1.28V
CUrrent NB Voltage 1.36V
Current SB Voltage 1.60V
DRAM TIMING
DDR Configuration Mode Mode2
GTL+ Driving Strength Auto
Enhance Data Transmitting Auto
Enhance Adressing Auto
DQ Calibration 5
Channel 1 CLK fine delay Auto
Channel 2 CLK fine delay Auto
CAS Latency Time [tCL] 4
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay [tRCD] 4
DRAM RAS# Precharge [tRP] 4
Precharge delay [tRAS] 10
All Precharge to Act 3
REF to ACT Delay [tRFC] 28
MCH ODT Latency 3
Write to PRE Delay [tWR] 9
Rank Write to Read Delay[tWTR] 9
ACT to ACT Delay [tRRD] 3
Read To Write delay [tRDWR] 8
Ranks Write to Write [tWRWR] 6
Ranks Read To Read [tRDRD] 6
Ranks Write to Read [tWRRD] 5
Read CAS# Precharge [tRTP] Auto
All PRE to Refresh Auto
3600Mhz 7X500Memory 1:1
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2...500500bzz6.jpg
Code:GENIE BIOS SETTING
NB Strap Select 266MHz
CPU Clock Ratio 7 X
CPU Clock 500 MHz
Boot Up Clock Auto MHz
DRAM Speed 533 MHz
PCIE Clock 100 MHz
CPU FEATURE
Thermal Management Control Disabled
Limit CPUID MaxVal Disabled
PPM Function Disabled
C1E Function Disabled
Execute Disable Bit Enabled
Virtualization Technology Disabled
Frequency Unlimit Disabled
VOLTAGE SETTING
CPU Voltage Setting +2.225mV
DRAM Voltage Setting 2.200V
VTT VOltage Setting 1.275V
NB 1.25V Setting 1.35V
SB 1.5V Setting 1.6V
SB 1.05V Voltage Setting 1.05V
Current CPU Voltage 1.40V
Current DRAM Voltage 2.20V
Current VTT 1.28V
CUrrent NB Voltage 1.36V
Current SB Voltage 1.60V
DRAM TIMING
DDR Configuration Mode Mode2
GTL+ Driving Strength Auto
Enhance Data Transmitting Auto
Enhance Adressing Auto
DQ Calibration 5
Channel 1 CLK fine delay Auto
Channel 2 CLK fine delay Auto
CAS Latency Time [tCL] 4
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay [tRCD] 4
DRAM RAS# Precharge [tRP] 4
Precharge delay [tRAS] 10
All Precharge to Act 3
REF to ACT Delay [tRFC] 28
MCH ODT Latency 3
Write to PRE Delay [tWR] 9
Rank Write to Read Delay[tWTR] 9
ACT to ACT Delay [tRRD] 3
Read To Write delay [tRDWR] 8
Ranks Write to Write [tWRWR] 6
Ranks Read To Read [tRDRD] 6
Ranks Write to Read [tWRRD] 5
Read CAS# Precharge [tRTP] Auto
All PRE to Refresh Auto
My Smartguardian Themes :)
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/4...ianins2.th.jpg
Here the zip with all versions
Thanks for the themes.
Indeed, thank you. I noticed our system temps are similar, but your NB temp's MUCH lower than mine. And your CPU's being given a lot more volts, yet seems to be fairly cold too. What's your ambient/room temp?Quote:
Originally Posted by Misthral