The OFFICIAL MSI K8N Neo2-939 tips and tricks guide thread

Freezing on 6800 cards is a power regulation problem. I get it when i overclock to much. Some things you can do to solve the problem are

* Get a better psu
* Raise vagp voltage to 1.8v
* Raise AGP Frequancy to 81mhz
* Turn off Sideband Addressing ( Costs about 200 points in 3dmark 2005 )

After i Flashed my bios from 1.3 volts stock voltage to 1.4 stock volts my freezing went away also. Now i just got corruption when i overclock to much :p:

Make sure the motherboard isnt set to auto overclock the graphics card in bios !

The plugin for systool and sumarize you can get from Systool website in the forum section.

The bios chip im not sure yet i got the last chip from badflash.com but i might look for a cheaper one somewhere. Im also tempted to get a bios savour now instead of a spare chip as it saves swapping chips around all the time.

Hiya guys,

I'm going to get an s939 setup and I'm finding it difficult to chose between:
MSI K8N neo2
&
DFI Ultra-D. (nforce 3)

I had the MSI K8N neo plat but the temp sensors were such crap! it reported 10 degreez to much.

& about DFI, is the 1T timings problem solved, I haven't seen allot of problem threads of this motherbord so I think it's okay? :confused:

So if you owners were to make the choice again of buying an Nforce 3 s939 mobo would you buy the MSI one again?

thx anyway,
xyus

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Originally Posted by sideeffect

Freezing on 6800 cards is a power regulation problem. I get it when i overclock to much. Some things you can do to solve the problem are

* Get a better psu
* Raise vagp voltage to 1.8v
* Raise AGP Frequancy to 81mhz
* Turn off Sideband Addressing ( Costs about 200 points in 3dmark 2005 )

After i Flashed my bios from 1.3 volts stock voltage to 1.4 stock volts my freezing went away also. Now i just got corruption when i overclock to much :p:

Make sure the motherboard isnt set to auto overclock the graphics card in bios !

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maybe.. but mine happened when it gets too hot.. around 75c... everything runs smoothly until it reaches tat temp... then the freezing occurs..... wat i think was... the freezing allows the card to cool down a little.. then it runs again... freeze again... run again... bla bla bla.... my 6800U is running 1.4v from bios....

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Originally Posted by Xyus89

Hiya guys,

I'm going to get an s939 setup and I'm finding it difficult to chose between:
MSI K8N neo2
&
DFI Ultra-D. (nforce 3)

I had the MSI K8N neo plat but the temp sensors were such crap! it reported 10 degreez to much.

& about DFI, is the 1T timings problem solved, I haven't seen allot of problem threads of this motherbord so I think it's okay? :confused:

So if you owners were to make the choice again of buying an Nforce 3 s939 mobo would you buy the MSI one again?

thx anyway,
xyus

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If i was buying now i would get a DFI because its newer and there is a big modding community for DFI with lots of custom bios files to choose from.

But i wouldnt bother switching from a neo 2 because its not really ny better. If i were you id go on price. There are some good bargains to be had on NEO 2's atm so maybe it can save you some money.

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Originally Posted by Lestat

the trick is that you dont hear about ATI cards doing this so you know its not the mobo chipset.

are you positive leadtek doesnt have a better warrenty that card is only 2 years old. the 6800's havent been out THAT long.

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Ya but also we dont see that problem that much with the NF4 and PCI-express version of the nvidia chip. Anyways, looks like my next card will be ATI + RDX200 Grouper. :D

The few times I have seen the freezing issue on these boards with 6800 cards I was able to simply solve it by turning off Fast Writes. I do that on every box I build now, and nobody has gotton back to me having that issue.

However, I know I can create the same issue by overclocking the gpu on the video card a little to far. I'd try improving the ventilation in the case or just not overclocking the card so much if thats your issue, expecially if turning off fast writes doesnt help ;)

Also, make sure that stupid NVIDIA\ATI speed up thing in the bios is disabled as well, I dont know what idiot decided that the motherboard should screw with the video cards clock, but he should be spanked wherever he is.

Good luck :)

are the temp sensors better than the k8n neo plat (reported 10 degrees to much)

xyus

http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?PH...&topic=84339.0

nice little discussion about the 1.9 official and the 1.A3 official which looks to be dated 7/22/05

the guy there has a bios he modded to fix the nvmac and usb issues.

go thru and read it, he also tells you how ot fix your nvlan MAC if you flashed and now can NOT us the nvLAN.

just more things to test. i never tried the 1.A3 and i frankly wont be....
until msi comes up with a magic gold plated latnum bios. (yes latnum... ok if your not a Deep Space 9 fan then you wont understand,,, lol) i am sticking with 1.8mod

I also came across an article saturday that briefly said there were discussions that the E series cpu which Venice's are have reduced the kick in the balls you get from 2T.
well its not true,, i lost nearly 1200 points on sandra when going to 2t lol. Maybe its for the X2 cpu's

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Originally Posted by Ibn

Also, make sure that stupid NVIDIA\ATI speed up thing in the bios is disabled as well, I dont know what idiot decided that the motherboard should screw with the video cards clock, but he should be spanked wherever he is.

Good luck :)

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I agree 100% :toast:

yeah i accidentally left that thing on once and woah i dont know how far it overclocks but it immediately starting throwing artifacts and locking my game.
i couldnt figure out what it was for bout 5 minutes until i realised i had reset the bios and forgot to turn that off.

anyone actually seen how far that overclocks your card ?

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Originally Posted by Lestat

yeah i accidentally left that thing on once and woah i dont know how far it overclocks but it immediately starting throwing artifacts and locking my game.
i couldnt figure out what it was for bout 5 minutes until i realised i had reset the bios and forgot to turn that off.

anyone actually seen how far that overclocks your card ?

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I heard 20% somewhere..not sure if that is accurate seems a bit high??

well it depends on if its cpu or ram or both.
on an ultra 400/1100 would oc to 480/1100 which i can guarentee you that i have yet to see an ultra run that fast without being volt modded and water cooled or mini prommy as for the ram,,, yeah 20% would be insane and never work.

Its not 20 percent. You can see if you have something running like atitool with a ati card. My set overclock was 418 core and it increased to 432 so its less than 5 percent.

ahh
good info.

SE have you tried that 1.A3 bios yet that i saw the fellas talking about at the msi forum.
I cant believe, beta or not that msi would let loose a bios, even internally where it wipes out your nvlan mac. Last one i knew that did this was the Asus K8N-E Deluxe. and Asus got ridiculed horribly for it. And they never even fixed it. We users had to do it ourselves.

I dont know why they released it either because they just had that big issue with someone trying to sue them for a glitchy bios that supposedly killed their equipment.

I havnt tried it yet but im interested too because 166 divdier is supposed to be fully working now for people that were having problems with it. Ill wait for at least the 2nd version of this bios though.

Seems that they started this the day the 1.9 was made official so is it built on from it or have they just started again, again?

Well if they were continuing the 1.9 bios then why is the lan not working and why are there all these raid irq problems.

Starting Again would also be admiting that the 1.9 bios sucks but then i think most of us knew that :)

Today MSI and AMD lost a client, since I have A64 I only got trouble and nerves, that`s wont do it anymore. In three years of Intel customer I didn`t knew what the colour of BSOD is, but with AMD I guess it comes bundled. There are so many people here too who have tried there`s best to improve bioses, to give advices to others in "PAIN" but that was not enough without the manufacturers support. I appreciate every one of you for your work and support but I am at the end with my system. I have bought only high end hardware to assure a proper medium for overclocking and to have a stabile system but I with no succes :), what can I say anymore ? I tried the final 1.9 Mod bios and it only works with default settings, not 1 Mhz overclock,I tried every possible settings to my RAM, CPU, voltages, NOTHING, it wont boot. With bios 1.8 mod it goes up to 2.95 Ghz but I hoped in that this official bios finally will be good as it was expected. So, I rather loose some FPS in games and get, I hope, more stability with another brand of CPU. To bad for those AMD CPU`s, they aren`t bad but is a great lack in having a stabile motherboard.

I know its bad but its never bad enough to turn to intel :p:

if you have a bios that lets it go to 2.95ghz then why in the hell did you go to 1.9
you obviously didnt read all the horror stories about how terrible 1.9 was.

just reflash back to 1.8 and be happy. Intel 32bit or 64bit will never run as good as a $145 3000+ Venice overclocked to 2.95ghz nope NEVER!!!!

again i ask why go back to intel when you have a 100% working bios with 1.8mod


If you go to intel you will go LGA775 ? then you will probably go DFI or ASUS mobo ? or ABIT. you think you have troubles with 1 or 2 bios from MSI boy you better prepare yourself because there are more issues with those chips and mobo's than any AMD64 board. the only bios you will use on those boards are modded bios's DFI still has problems they cant fix and ASUS and ABIT STILL have issues they havent fixed. It's just the way it is.

i say it again ... if you have a bios that is good for 2.95ghz then wtf are you upgrading to one of the worst bios's msi has ever released ? wth were you thinking ? dont you read the forums ? 1.9 is BAD!!!

Hey, chill, I`m still alive and back to 1.8 mod, and my CPu is 3800+ not a 3000+. Nevermind, now I`m chilled, but I dont want anymore of this mobo, NO MORE, I will upgrade and give a last chance to A64 on a DFI motherboard, that means that I must change my X800XT PE also to an PCI-E version, more money for just a chipset upgrade, so called :) This CPU stays in WIN at 1.6 volts @ 3 Ghz but it`s not stable, I just want 3 Ghz :)

Yes maybe MSI didnt lable the 1.9 bios right but its really the first bios for dual core cpus. Its not for single core cpus as its not as good as 1.8.

You dont have to update to a newer bios just because its newer.

I just want a bios that supports Venice core, that`s all. I will smash my board in my car service and I will post the pics, hihihihi.

Id be interested if you could post back after you have the New rig setup to see if that cpu that seems limited to under 3ghz like almost all other athlon 64 cpus on 1.6v volts except fx55/57. Id like to know if it magically became stable :p:

Seriously if you look through the threads about the 3800+ and 3700+ 4000+ only a very select few will do 3ghz at any voltage. Its not that the cpus are bad or the motherboards are bad.

Hmmm, I`m just mad right now, I tried 1.8 volts also to get it stable at 3 Ghz and that was a no go. 1.8 volts with Core Center. I just dont want to believe that I cant get to 3 Ghz.

1.8 volts :stick:

hope your not on air.