**Official ABIT IP-35 Pro Review/Overclock/Guide Thread**

I need help with a decision on which motherboard to buy. I'm either looking at the Abit IP35 PRO, Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3P, or the EVGA 680i A1. There are advantages depending on the motherboard but I'm truely confused on what to get. I have the B revision of the Q6600, 4x1GB of Crucial Ballistix 6400 memory, Tuniq 120, and EVGA 8800GTX. No matter which one I choose it has to be able to work at stock settings with these components. I'm interested in overclocking but do not want to adjust the voltage settings on the CPU or NB to get extreme overclocks like some. The SLI option is nice also on the A1 board but I'm not sure if it is worth it in the long run to run SLI over just getting a high end video card. The Gigabyte board also has better sound from what I have read but I still like the IP35 PRO. I have debated over this for weeks and need to make a decison within the next few days.

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Originally Posted by stormy2

I need help with a decision on which motherboard to buy. I'm either looking at the Abit IP35 PRO, Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3P, or the EVGA 680i A1. There are advantages depending on the motherboard but I'm truely confused on what to get. I have the B revision of the Q6600, 4x1GB of Crucial Ballistix 6400 memory, Tuniq 120, and EVGA 8800GTX. No matter which one I choose it has to be able to work at stock settings with these components. I'm interested in overclocking but do not want to adjust the voltage settings on the CPU or NB to get extreme overclocks like some. The SLI option is nice also on the A1 board but I'm not sure if it is worth it in the long run to run SLI over just getting a high end video card. The Gigabyte board also has better sound from what I have read but I still like the IP35 PRO. I have debated over this for weeks and need to make a decison within the next few days.

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SLI is not worth it unless you're playing 1900x1200 or above. Upgrading to a newer card with newer features and technology is the wiser option in the future. I also recommend the Abit IP35 Pro @ a good price. $160 AR Shipped but it's currently OOS. They should have it back instock soon enough to be eligible for the rebate. I would call them up if I were you.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=156436

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Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue

the Pro board with the heatpipe mod and at least two 40mm fans added will bring your PWM temperature down to a comfortable value....in my computer case, maybe no higher than 60-63C priming all four cores..but..each computer case is different on evacuating hot air...in addition, room temp will also impact the temperature inside the case.:)

what is your room temp?...are you AC'ing your room?

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My room temp has always been hot (27 to 30c, 79f to 83F) with my resulting high pwm temps. So I know that is most of my problem. I'm going to implement you modification, but I'm a little scared. It seems to me that you have the best mod I've found compared to other people doing the same. Your 'nuts' seem to provide the least cumbersome of the mods. I'm going to use the EK waterblock thermal pads from Petra's which looks to be about 2 to 3mm thick and foamy. I admire your method.
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These pads are much smaller than I predicted. They are only about 16mm x 13mm or so. You would probably need to order 4 to 6 sets of these to cover the PWM HS. They are quite small, If you've ever seen LSD paper before, that's the size of each square (12 squares on each). They look like they will work as they are about 1.5mm thick and contain the white fiber in them.

hmm i think i may get some thermal pad for my pwm. Its the only part of the system that is still to damn hot when priming. At idel it sits about 40c, which is fine.

i think even with the bolt through mod, and ASC it's still not quite making contact. I should have left the pad on, but i chucked it in the trash:clap:

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Originally Posted by strange|ife

hmm i think i may get some thermal pad for my pwm. Its the only part of the system that is still to damn hot when priming. At idel it sits about 40c, which is fine.

i think even with the bolt through mod, and ASC it's still not quite making contact. I should have left the pad on, but i chucked it in the trash:clap:

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40C is a good temp if you are overclocking, which i presume you are!..how high does it go when you orthos or use prime 95 that's the question to be answered!:)

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Originally Posted by Knight

TBH I am the smartest with computers. My friends and family ask me for advice... I know, I know... :rofl: it seems sad... :p:

Abit, Intel, and Seagate support will be contacted tomorrow, to see if they have any idea. I did remove the jumper from both drives.

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i would talk to abit 1st and then seagate 2nd!...forget about intel...they would tell you to talk to the mobo maker anyway.

did i ask you what bios you are using presently on the board?

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Originally Posted by SpinCykle

Well i finally set up the new computer. I still need to update the bios to ver. 11 but here is what she looks like right now. The temps bother me a little for being on water. I followed AS Crem. Instructions to a "t" but i still get these wierd differences in core temp. I have C1E and ESIT dissabled in the bios ATM. If i enable those the temps drop but for some reason it "underclocks" the cpu when im not doing anything.

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C1E cuts back power to your cpu and EIST reduces the multiplier down to 6x to help with saving power by having less clocks on the cpu.

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On a side note I booted at 2.997Ghz/333mhz, 1:1, 1.25 Vcore, 2.2 mem voltage and the temps didnt look to bad. Ran a 5minute small ftt stress test and the max temp's i saw were 47C core 0,2 42C core 1,3. Seems my cores 1 and 3 run 5C cooler than 0 and 2.

Do you guys think my temps are high for being liquid?

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what is your room temperature?

the temp for a 3.0 ghz stress run appears to be ok....when you go higher then you (we) will see how that water system is hacking the program.;)

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Originally Posted by scwam

My room temp has always been hot (27 to 30c, 79f to 83F) with my resulting high pwm temps. So I know that is most of my problem. I'm going to implement you modification, but I'm a little scared. It seems to me that you have the best mod I've found compared to other people doing the same. Your 'nuts' seem to provide the least cumbersome of the mods. I'm going to use the EK waterblock thermal pads from Petra's which looks to be about 2 to 3mm thick and foamy. I admire your method.

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don't be scared of the mod...it is quite easy to do...just use 3/4" length bolts and everything will be fine.

and...thanks for the compliment...once in a while the light bulb above my head lights up!...LOL:D

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Originally Posted by SpinCykle I have C1E and ESIT dissabled in the bios ATM. If i enable those the temps drop but for some reason it "underclocks" the cpu when im not doing anything.

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Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue

C1E cuts back power to your cpu and EIST reduces the multiplier down to 6x to help with saving power by having less clocks on the cpu.

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C1E reduces both multiplier & voltage on my board.

CN

you have EIST disabled?

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Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue

you have EIST disabled?

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Yes EIST is disabled.

I just had a little play this morning with C1E & EIST as I have started pushing the voltage out of my comfort zone with a Q6600 & I figured if C1E worked like it used to on my 975X/G then I would be better to let it lower the voltage when the rig is doing nothing.

C1E appears to be working fine at 462 x 8 with my Q6600 but EIST makes my rig go crazy so I am leaving it off.

CN

CIE is suppose to just save power by reducing the voltage and EIST is suppose to reduce the multi....i think Abit has dorked the bios code then...look in the manual, page 2-14...a little ambigious for C1E description but EIST is quite clear!

which bios are you using?

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Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue

CIE is suppose to just save power by reducing the voltage and EIST is suppose to reduce the multi....i think Abit has dorked the bios code then...look in the manual, page 2-14...a little ambigious for C1E description but EIST is quite clear!

which bios are you using?

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Maybe they have done something to the BIOS or maybe the manual is wrong but I am happy with C1E reducing the multiplier & voltage.

I am using official 11 BIOS.

Read This :shrug:

http://techreport.com/articles.x/7998/2

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C1E enhanced halt state — Introduced in the Pentium 4 500J-series processors, the C1E halt state replaces the old C1 halt state used on the Pentium 4 and most other x86 CPUs. The C1 halt state is invoked when the operating system's idle process issues a HLT command. (Windows does this constantly when not under a full load.) Entering halt state, which is a lower-power state, will cut a CPU's power consumption and heat production. Intel's new C1E halt state is also invoked by the HLT command, but it turns down the entire CPU's clock frequency (via multiplier control) and voltage in order to work its mojo. This more robust halt state requires significantly less power than the old C1 implementation.

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Originally Posted by C-N

Maybe they have done something to the BIOS or maybe the manual is wrong but I am happy with C1E reducing the multiplier & voltage.

I am using official 11 BIOS.

Read This :shrug:

http://techreport.com/articles.x/7998/2

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when i read that, i say, "what is the purpose for EIST"...you know what i mean?..EIST can be eliminated the way it read there.

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Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue

C1E cuts back power to your cpu and EIST reduces the multiplier down to 6x to help with saving power by having less clocks on the cpu.



what is your room temperature?

the temp for a 3.0 ghz stress run appears to be ok....when you go higher then you (we) will see how that water system is hacking the program.;)

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Room Temps are 78-81 F, I live in Arizona. :down: I did some more testing last night with slightly higher clocks.

3.303 ghz
367mhz
1.35 vcore (1.26-.28) Load Vdrop is killing me :confused:
1:1 FSB DRAM
2.1 Votls RAM
1.25MCH
4-4-4-12 2t

After 4 Hours of Prime Small FTT stable the max temps i was seing were 59 core 0,1 and 53 core 2,3. Is this normal to see such a huge temp diff. between the cores? 6 C seems to be alot.

Thanks for everything...

Scott

* Sorry I had to cut the SS's up, my desktop resolution is to big to post full SS.

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Link to full screenshoot: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...Cykle/OC-3.jpg

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Originally Posted by strange|ife

hmm i think i may get some thermal pad for my pwm. Its the only part of the system that is still to damn hot when priming. At idel it sits about 40c, which is fine.

i think even with the bolt through mod, and ASC it's still not quite making contact. I should have left the pad on, but i chucked it in the trash:clap:

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There's a massive heat pad embedded into the MB at the MOSFET/CPU region. Under load, the path of least resistance for the heat flow is into this heat pad. To maximize cooling efficiency of the MOSFETs, you'll want to blow fresh air directly into this region. I would also suspect that blowing fresh air over the MOSFETs (no heat-sink installed) may further improve cooling.

The heat pipe design redistributes the high temperature at the NB to the MOSFET and SB regions. This will raise the average working temperature at the MOSFET and SB heat sinks. A better approach is the use of separate heat pipe at the MOSFET, NB, and SB.

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Originally Posted by strange|ife

hmm i think i may get some thermal pad for my pwm. Its the only part of the system that is still to damn hot when priming. At idel it sits about 40c, which is fine.

i think even with the bolt through mod, and ASC it's still not quite making contact. I should have left the pad on, but i chucked it in the trash:clap:

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I left my PWM pad on due to compression compensation from pass through bolt mod:) I sit Inverted in my Silverstone TJ06 and PWM idles around 39-41c with a enclosed case due to CoolIT Eliminator.

Is it core 1 and 3 on one die and core 2 and 4 on the other? or 1 and 2 on one and 3 and 4 on the other?

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Originally Posted by SpinCykle

Room Temps are 78-81 F, I live in Arizona. :down: I did some more testing last night with slightly higher clocks.

3.303 ghz
367mhz
1.35 vcore (1.26-.28) Load Vdrop is killing me :confused:
1:1 FSB DRAM
2.1 Votls RAM
1.25MCH
4-4-4-12 2t

After 4 Hours of Prime Small FTT stable the max temps i was seing were 59 core 0,1 and 53 core 2,3. Is this normal to see such a huge temp diff. between the cores? 6 C seems to be alot.

Thanks for everything...

Scott

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i am currently writing while Prime 95 is churning away in the background while at 3.8Ghz...coretemp 095 is reporting 60C for cores 0 & 2....and....57C for cores 1 & 3

i think it is prime 95 that might be causing the difference in temp...sometimes the split goes to about 4C...i am strictly a guessing here about Prime 95 be root cause of the temp difference.

For me, i am a little disappointed with this mb.

At this moment i have:

Micro 6750 @ 3.6Ghz - 1.4V - 21º idle, 45 full
Ram: Gskill 2GBHK (8500) on 4x1gb @ 2.4 / 4 - 4 - 4 - 12 - 1T (1:1 with fsb)
FSB: 450
MCH: 1.29

I try everything to try to get more than 3600 or 450 fsb and is impossible.

with 2 modules, with 4, ram @ 2.5 or 2.6 (55515), MCH @ 1.33, Vcore @ 1.55, 6750 multi from x8 to x7, everything, and its impossible, this mb doesn't admit more than 3.6 or 900 on ddr, if I try to get 1080 with 1.2 multiplier, freezes on windows after starting orthos, with 3666, freeze too, its frustrating

And I didnt see any solution, I think is a MB problem, I hope a future bios revision will try to fix this problems

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Originally Posted by Kersh

For me, i am a little disappointed with this mb.

At this moment i have:

Micro 6750 @ 3.6Ghz - 1.4V - 21º idle, 45 full
Ram: Gskill 2GBHK (8500) on 4x1gb @ 2.4 / 4 - 4 - 4 - 12 - 1T (1:1 with fsb)
FSB: 450
MCH: 1.29

I try everything to try to get more than 3600 or 450 fsb and is impossible.

with 2 modules, with 4, ram @ 2.5 or 2.6 (55515), MCH @ 1.33, Vcore @ 1.55, 6750 multi from x8 to x7, everything, and its impossible, this mb doesn't admit more than 3.6 or 900 on ddr, if I try to get 1080 with 1.2 multiplier, freezes on windows after starting orthos, with 3666, freeze too, its frustrating

And I didnt see any solution, I think is a MB problem, I hope a future bios revision will try to fix this problems

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Use 1:1 memory divider. Bump Vdimm to 2.1. Change timing to 5-5-5-15-2T. Run memtest86 (test #5) for one hour to check for RAM stability. Most C2D 6xx0 will top out between 3.4 and 3.5GHz on air.

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Originally Posted by furballi

Use 1:1 memory divider. Bump Vdimm to 2.1. Change timing to 5-5-5-15-2T. Run memtest86 (test #5) for one hour to check for RAM stability. Most C2D 6xx0 will top out between 3.4 and 3.5GHz on air.

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I'd also recommend to update his BIOS, if s/he hasn't already (I didn't see him/her mention what version they are running).

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Originally Posted by zerazax

Can someone tell me how the IP-35 Pro does with 4GB of RAM now? Did they fix the previous issues with it?

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See my post here.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post2378832

As others here have mentioned, use the b11 BIOS revision.

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Originally Posted by Kersh

For me, i am a little disappointed with this mb.

At this moment i have:

Micro 6750 @ 3.6Ghz - 1.4V - 21º idle, 45 full
Ram: Gskill 2GBHK (8500) on 4x1gb @ 2.4 / 4 - 4 - 4 - 12 - 1T (1:1 with fsb)
FSB: 450
MCH: 1.29

I try everything to try to get more than 3600 or 450 fsb and is impossible.

with 2 modules, with 4, ram @ 2.5 or 2.6 (55515), MCH @ 1.33, Vcore @ 1.55, 6750 multi from x8 to x7, everything, and its impossible, this mb doesn't admit more than 3.6 or 900 on ddr, if I try to get 1080 with 1.2 multiplier, freezes on windows after starting orthos, with 3666, freeze too, its frustrating

And I didnt see any solution, I think is a MB problem, I hope a future bios revision will try to fix this problems

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I definitely *urge* you to lower your vDIMM. Anything over 2.3v is quite risky (I like to keep it <= 2.2v). My current timings are 4-4-4-12 @2.2v, 1015 MHz. with the 1:25 divider, although if I can bump the FSB up I'll lower back down to 5-5-5-15.

Be sure you flash to the b11 BIOS as it's the best BIOS for 4x1 GB. Also, a 120mm fan blowing over and past the memory, with the flow point towards the CPU itself, does wonders to keep both mem and the nb (northbridge) cool. Ace's mods are better yet. I replaced the stock nb thermal pad and sb white thermal grease with MX-1 (MX-2, which is even better, is now available at Petra's). That's one thing I've really come to like about the IP35 Pro--simple, inexpensive mods can yield great results.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=760

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Originally Posted by Kersh

For me, i am a little disappointed with this mb.

At this moment i have:

Micro 6750 @ 3.6Ghz - 1.4V - 21º idle, 45 full
Ram: Gskill 2GBHK (8500) on 4x1gb @ 2.4 / 4 - 4 - 4 - 12 - 1T (1:1 with fsb)
FSB: 450
MCH: 1.29

I try everything to try to get more than 3600 or 450 fsb and is impossible.

with 2 modules, with 4, ram @ 2.5 or 2.6 (55515), MCH @ 1.33, Vcore @ 1.55, 6750 multi from x8 to x7, everything, and its impossible, this mb doesn't admit more than 3.6 or 900 on ddr, if I try to get 1080 with 1.2 multiplier, freezes on windows after starting orthos, with 3666, freeze too, its frustrating

And I didn't see any solution, I think is a MB problem, I hope a future bios revision will try to fix this problems

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My board works great with a 1066fsb CPU & I have seen others at 4GHz with a 1333fsb cpu so I dont think the board is to blame unless you got a duff one.

2 Ram modules @ 2.15v MCH:1.37v Vcore:1.62v ICH:1.12v all the rest minimum/stock.

CN