AMD Cayman info (or rumor)

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10-26-2010, 03:53 PM
Sn0wm@n

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Originally Posted by eXceededgoku

Are you flamebaiting? You don't think there will be any improvements in technology past 22nm? :ROTF:

there will be improvement for sure .. but we wont be getting them each year or 2 years .... the industry is starting to slow down ...

and no this wasnt a flamebaiting post

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Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler

Jeez, this thread is just chock full of epic fail.

Don't you know the world stops when we hit 22nm? :shrug:

so you think that 16nm will be when intel think its going to happen .. and after that 11nm and then 8 and 4 ???? where do you think intel will have problems as much as to push back their roadmap by maybe 1 or 2 years for that process ???
10-26-2010, 04:46 PM
bamtan2

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Originally Posted by Klarko

Why are people expecting the 6890(6870?) > 5890?

you mean "why expect 6970 / cayman to be faster than 5970 / 2x cypress?"

okay so lets get a reality check:

http://www.pcper.com/images/reviews/1022/slide12.jpg

6800 (barts) is smaller than 5800 (cypress), but performs slightly better under the same power. which means if amd did nothing but use two 6800 barts in one product, it could ALREADY BEAT 5970.

but they aren't doing that. they are building a new, bigger, better chip. they can find NEW ECONOMIES OF SCALE. they can use NEW TECHNIQUES.

think of it like this. GF100 / gtx 480 is almost 2x the size and 2x the power of the competition. but nvidia knew this all along. nvidia designed a big, high power, high performance chip. but the performance didnt happen. the engineering failed to deliver the performance.

so now imagine amd trying this. trying their own huge chip, but not screwing it up.
10-26-2010, 05:24 PM
zerazax

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Originally Posted by bamtan2

you mean "why expect 6970 / cayman to be faster than 5970 / 2x cypress?"
*Snip*

Even better reasoning: Cypress is ~330mm^2. Barts is 255mm^2 but often matches (and probably will beat, given driver optimizations and game design changes over time) Cypress, while consuming less power.

Cayman is known to be larger than Cypress - conflicting reports put it at either largest ever for AMD (larger than R600's 420mm^2) or close to largest (confirmed its larger than Cypress though, so >330mm^2). Its also going to use more power than Cypress.

So *if* nothing else, and it reached the same scaling/optimization that Barts had, a Cypress sized Cayman should be a significant improvement. Now add in the fact that Cayman has a superset of the Barts architecture (i.e., more features/changes than Barts), and is designed from the get-go as a single GPU crown kind of GPU, then AMD has a known target and should get close to a 5970, if not beat it.

One thing is certain though: Antilles will be the fastest single video card you can buy
10-26-2010, 05:45 PM
Nintendork

Given the power needed I'm convincing myself more and more that Antilles will aim for the extra-enthusiast market ($700+). Do not comply for the <300w.

The will use cayman chips so no loses.

Antilles options:
2x8Pin
2x8Pin + 1x6Pin
10-26-2010, 05:49 PM
Sn0wm@n

how many days left before the final news about 6900 series ????
10-26-2010, 07:04 PM
bamtan2

Quote:

Originally Posted by zerazax

Even better reasoning: Cypress is ~330mm^2. Barts is 255mm^2 but often matches (and probably will beat, given driver optimizations and game design changes over time) Cypress, while consuming less power.

Cayman is known to be larger than Cypress - conflicting reports put it at either largest ever for AMD (larger than R600's 420mm^2) or close to largest (confirmed its larger than Cypress though, so >330mm^2). Its also going to use more power than Cypress.

So *if* nothing else, and it reached the same scaling/optimization that Barts had, a Cypress sized Cayman should be a significant improvement. Now add in the fact that Cayman has a superset of the Barts architecture (i.e., more features/changes than Barts), and is designed from the get-go as a single GPU crown kind of GPU, then AMD has a known target and should get close to a 5970, if not beat it.

One thing is certain though: Antilles will be the fastest single video card you can buy

I don't think that is better reasoning. I don't even know if that is reasoning at all
10-26-2010, 07:38 PM
LordEC911

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nintendork

Given the power needed I'm convincing myself more and more that Antilles will aim for the extra-enthusiast market ($700+). Do not comply for the <300w.

The will use cayman chips so no loses.

Antilles options:
2x8Pin
2x8Pin + 1x6Pin

It's an official AMD product, they will be meeting PCI-SIG specifications.
10-26-2010, 07:44 PM
zerazax

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Originally Posted by bamtan2

I don't think that is better reasoning. I don't even know if that is reasoning at all

okay. if you say so :rofl::rolleyes:
10-26-2010, 08:02 PM
Xoulz

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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

Learn to respect others ideas, it's not up to you to invite or dismiss others, kid.

If AMD is going to use a new generation-number (with a new first-digit) then have to deliver the performance/power accordantly, otherwise a re-fresh, re-brand, or evolution should keep the generation-number.

It remains to be seen if Cayman can beat/match the performance/power 5970, and if it can't it would be a disappointment for many who are expecting to see a a real new generation.

No marketing firm has to comply with what Sam_oslo thinks... let-alone someone who doesn't even understand urach & logic.
10-26-2010, 08:07 PM
highoctane

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Originally Posted by Nintendork

Given the power needed I'm convincing myself more and more that Antilles will aim for the extra-enthusiast market ($700+). Do not comply for the <300w.

Well if they use two barts cores it should be able to shoehorn into a 300watt window and beat a 5970 with a cheaper BOM so power or pricing may not be lunacy. However without a directly competing product there is nothing in the market to put price pressure here either.
10-26-2010, 08:32 PM
kuroikenshi

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Originally Posted by highoctane

Well if they use two barts cores it should be able to shoehorn into a 300watt window and beat a 5970 with a cheaper BOM so power or pricing may not be lunacy. However without a directly competing product there is nothing in the market to put price pressure here either.

something which all of us who love to oc would not like to see, I would prefer a more powerful chip being downclocked TBH, so that there is lots of headroom to oc
10-26-2010, 11:27 PM
FlanK3r

fake or not 6950 or 6970? Its from OBR blog...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_e5QeyTrfo3.../s1600/xxx.png
10-26-2010, 11:38 PM
zalbard

It can be anything...
10-26-2010, 11:45 PM
kuroikenshi

I vote potato
10-27-2010, 12:04 AM
FlanK3r

he write this "This is not Dual GPU card or Dual VGAs setup score ... This is Score of Unreleased new VGA with only ONE GPU :)" http://obrovsky.blogspot.com/2010/10/neco-se-blizi.html
10-27-2010, 12:11 AM
Olivon

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Originally Posted by FlanK3r

he write this "This is not Dual GPU card or Dual VGAs setup score ... This is Score of Unreleased new VGA with only ONE GPU :)" http://obrovsky.blogspot.com/2010/10/neco-se-blizi.html

I put this score 2 pages ago and I think it's real. That's on par with HD5970 scores :yepp:
10-27-2010, 12:21 AM
SpuTnicK

This slide does explain nothing. I can show you tons of such results and even with bigger figures. IMHo, FAKE!!!
10-27-2010, 02:59 AM
generics_user

Quote:

Originally Posted by highoctane

Well if they use two barts cores it should be able to shoehorn into a 300watt window and beat a 5970 with a cheaper BOM so power or pricing may not be lunacy. However without a directly competing product there is nothing in the market to put price pressure here either.

with barts they could easily fit a 225W TDP budget....
10-27-2010, 04:08 AM
Jowy Atreides

OBR is a known liar and troll. Just check his post history here. Always claiming to have new cards then delivering nothing or fakes.

I call fud.
10-27-2010, 04:15 AM
FlanK3r

OBR is maybe liar and boastful person, but he is also reviewer at www.pctuning.cz. Maybe its true
10-27-2010, 04:28 AM
biohead

OBR is all talk and no show. No wonder i've had him IL'ed for years.
10-27-2010, 04:51 AM
FlanK3r

heh, he is banned on most czech forums :)
10-27-2010, 05:12 AM
Eastcoasthandle

Take a look at this information. Now lets take a quick glance at newegg.
10-27-2010, 05:36 AM
madcho

thermography of bart :

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/747-...thermique.html

( french Hardware.fr web site. )
10-27-2010, 06:13 AM
spursindonesia

LOL OBR, i wonder where his minion whose name started with "V" is right now, i guess it's not so fun anymore spreading unfounded FUDs if things turn out to be better for AMD at the moment, eh ?? :ROTF:

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Originally Posted by Vardant

Some news from OBR

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Launch date has been moved from 18th to 22nd
Most AIBs don't have the cards ready, some of them are still even working on the box design
Samples should arrive just before the launch
Limited supply of cards
No final spec. have been set yet
HD 6870 should be available in larger quantities in the middle of November, HD 6850 will follow later
It's going to be a paper launch
Nothing else planned till the end of the year
The rest has been postponed till January

BRAVO !! :clap:

EDIT:

OBR has a penchant of mixing his nVidia biased fantasy with reality. I think he does have early access to some new hardware -at times, too bad it's very hard to deliver the truth when you read the slides with certain colored glass. ;)

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