Nvidia responds to Batman:AA

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Originally Posted by Bodkin

Hmm mature, he is just trying to put his argument forward, as are you, why act like a child? :shrug:

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Ok, so i can agree with you that that might have been a little harsh, but quite frankly it is (imo) the truth non the less.

If you accept Nvidia lobbying for gamedevelopers in such a way, that it gets in the way of fair business and competetion, then someone in that calcuation must pay the price, and that party is not Nvidia or Eidos, but rather uninformed consumers.

If you know this (ie. you are informed) and you still consciously choose to believe Nvidia is handling things just fine and dandy, well then you have accepted to get screwed over (or 'anal raped' as i put it ealier).

Might seem childish with the harsh language, but that was merely to get my point acress. No pun intended what so ever.

Basically, what nvidia has done is not great for all users, but if you look at it in the cold light of business it is fair legit. They fixed AA, they want the benefits. They did not remove AA from ATI cards, just did not validate it.

Like I said before, I dont need eidos or nvidia telling me what works on my hardware. If I bought the game then I should be entitled to every one of its features, and run it any way I want. Regardless if it works or not. This is false advertising and very deceptive. When a company purposely sabotages my fun and enjoyment whats the point in supporting it. This is wrong, very wrong. Last time I checked nvidia didnt make this game, so why does it only work with thier hardware. Just for this im gonna seed this game for a year and not even play it.

First it a closed source game, so when you bought it you agreed to use it as they say, second how is it false advertising, the box does not have amazing AA on it in big letters

Some people will never be satisfied until someone is burning on the cross...

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And all this as representatives from ATI and Nvidia, probably, still continue to meet to discuss how to best split the video card market.

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WTF?

Sure is a lot of freeloading hippies here...

Its just messed up that nvidia only has to pay just a tiny part of the games devolpment, to earn disabling of ATI hardware. Just think if nvidia made the whole game, I would only get to play wire frames on my radeon.

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Originally Posted by Bodkin

First it a closed source game, so when you bought it you agreed to use it as they say, second how is it false advertising, the box does not have amazing AA on it in big letters

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First, closed source only means that you don't expose publicly the source of the code. Nothing else. I don't know what you mean with that.

On the other hand, if what you mean is that is a commercial (i.e. to make money) project then they can do whatever they like, no, it's not true. There are laws that regulate what a company can o can't do. And I have my doubts about this at least in EU, but I'm not only talking about laws here.

A company can't do what they want, because they have to do what the people want. Otherwise, they see not money (or less of what they can't do).

If people agree on companies doing this, then it's all right, of course. If we think that's good, then they can do it without problems. :yepp:

That's exactly the reason why I think we should not show us as conform with this, but... that's OK, I suppose there's some reason that I cannot see why we, the consumers, are benefiting on a situation where the hw companies start to allowing sw only running at 100% with certain brands.

Oh, there's a reason, actually. I think some people don't need to chose products when they make a buy. They just want NVIDIA no matter what else. And this is a perfect excuse to buy NVIDIA if the card is worse, for example... that makes that people happy because they have a justification to buy NVIDIA :yepp:

I can't think of another logical reason to defend this from a consumer POV, sincerelly.

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Originally Posted by Bojamijams

Sure is a lot of freeloading hippies here...

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I think I don't understand that comment. Could you care to elaborate? I've curiosity.

You have not ansewed by question about false advertising, and second you said if i buy a game I can do what I want with it. This is not true, you own a licence and must stick to it.

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Originally Posted by LOE

since when GPU makers have to pay and work with game developers just to get AA running?

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This is the key point. If you "outsource" industry standard features to "partner" companies where do you draw the line?

The real criminal here is the game developer; nV is just a willing partner.

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Originally Posted by Sadasius

Can you imagine a world in which consumers took responsibility? Seriously think about it. Your phone company decides to make another hike in monthly payments to cover infrastructure (as they say) but yet give the CEO's a massive bonus. Now if consumers were smart and responsible they would move over to a different company forcing the other company to shape up. But this does not happen as so many people in this world is as complacent as a deer in headlights and it is really sad. You basically have given the companies the golden shovel to do as they wish and to behave as they wish. Many of you think competition is the real economy shaper. It is not. It simply offers choice. The reason why competition is so regarded today is because the consumer has become stupid and irresponsible. Look at the economy and look at what caused it to fall. That's right..."irresponsibility". Sometimes I am embarrassed to call myself ...human and wonder if I was put here as a cruel joke. There are a few here that get it but it is in short abundance and the rest of us will suffer under the ignorance of others. It is sad indeed.

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Absolute crazy talk. +1

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Originally Posted by Bodkin

You have not ansewed by question about false advertising, and second you said if i buy a game I can do what I want with it. This is not true, you own a licence and must stick to it.

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:confused:

I must be expressing bad or something. I've not answered about false advertising because I've nothing to answer about false advertising. Why you suppose I've to say nothing about false advertising?

I wanted you to note (1) that you're misinterpreting the meaning of closed source, and (2) you are supposing that because they have a license that you have to agree, they can do what they want with the product. That's not this way. Being commercial doesn't grant them the right to do what they want.

And I think I haven't said anything about what you have to do with your product and it's license. When have I said that you don't have to stick to the license? :confused:

I'm starting to be kind of confused with some arguments by here...:shrug:

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Originally Posted by Kaldor

Absolute crazy talk. +1

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:rofl: Tell me about it. Think it's time for me to hit the padded room for another 10 years! :rofl:

Wow, my bad, got you confused with another post. My apologys

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Originally Posted by Bodkin

Wow, my bad, got you confused with another post. My apologys

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Don't worry about it :up:

Well, the games devs dont need Nvidia to implement AA but they need Nvidias money to exclude ATI. Some ppl thinks AA is there cause Nvidia made an effort - LOL!

Its jus stupide and shows that they dont threat their customers equaly.

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Originally Posted by w0mbat

Well, the games devs dont need Nvidia to implement AA but they need Nvidias money to exclude ATI. Some ppl thinks AA is there cause Nvidia made an effort - LOL!

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:up: :rofl:

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Originally Posted by w0mbat

Well, the games devs dont need Nvidia to implement AA but they need Nvidias money to exclude ATI. Some ppl thinks AA is there cause Nvidia made an effort - LOL!

Its jus stupide and shows that they dont threat their customers equaly.

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Spot on. :clap:

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Originally Posted by w0mbat

Well, the games devs dont need Nvidia to implement AA but they need Nvidias money to exclude ATI. Some ppl thinks AA is there cause Nvidia made an effort - LOL!

Its jus stupide and shows that they dont threat their customers equaly.

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I dont like this guy, but he has a point.:buddies:

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Originally Posted by Bojamijams

Sure is a lot of freeloading hippies here...

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So people who bought the game are freeloaders because they just found out that AA is no longer considered the norm but a selling point and they are against it?

It's disappointing to see so much of you support this. If this is to be allowed than it's going to be the worse thing that happened since DLC.

I never thought I'd say this but I'll support consoles before I see pc gamers being penalized for not buying the right hardware become the new standard.

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Originally Posted by Truckchase!

This is the key point. If you "outsource" industry standard features to "partner" companies where do you draw the line?

The real criminal here is the game developer; nV is just a willing partner.

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+1

If the developers didn't implement AA (which is a basic given feature when releasing a high budget game to today's market) for the second biggest card manufacturer then theyre a**holes.

If they basically had working AA, and didn't validate it for ATI cards, what gives? Thats crap, and that's lazy.

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Originally Posted by Shadov

And this explains why Batman Demo could run AA fine on ATI Radeon, after changing the device_id. NOT!

Im sorry but this is a typical PR response they have given you Fugger :shakes:

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Good first post. Respectful and I agree.

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Originally Posted by marten_larsson

LOL! So when Nvidia says something it has to be true but not when AMD does? How is that?

The truth is probably somewhere in between. Sure AMD/ATI could have worked closer with the developer to ensure AA was functional but at the same time it should be in the developers interest to see their game look as good as possible on any hardware. And to claim hardware wasn't available is ridiculous, the 4870/4850/4770/4890 costs less than an i7 965 - the four of them together.

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Not saying I totally back up Nvidia here. But your saying these game developers should track down ATI while they sit on their asses and doing nothing to get things from thier company implemented?

If I was the developer and Nvidia showed up at my door ready and willing to tweak polish with their hardware. I wouldn't give a crap if ATI never showed up, lazy idiots. Especially if they had less of the market.

the basic jist i get of this is.

ATI: omg your totally trying to sabotage us.

NV: Get off your but and learn to market!

ATI: But, but, companies should come to us, we shouldnt have to do
anything.

NV: I'm sorry that you think it works that way.

Again who knows what Nvidia actually did to this game was purposely disabling AA for ATI or not. But the fact of the matter is, if ATI would have actually done something about it before hand, not only with this game but others as well, it would have never happened anyway. Not that it makes it ok for Nvidia to disable AA though

Again that ATI did nothing, etc...
You don't even know if they don't come and say :'Will you need help?' and get answered : 'No need Nvidia is already here!' :shrug:

Recall : AMD pretends Nvidia prevent them for working with TWIMTBP games.

Who's lying? Who's telling the truth? Only Rocksteady knows.

I see nvidia attempting to monopolize the pc game market with these tactics. Being a PC game it should have some sorta standards in place. What if Nvidia dumped money into windows 7 development and made their own API, they could call it NVX. It would only work on nvidia hardware since nvidia bribed, sorry, implemented this feature. We could then make two versions of windows too while were at it for intel and amd.This would be totally awesome, I then could play only the pc games with NVX. If I owned a ati card then id only have half of the already small list of games released for PC, maybe Ati could create their own API called ATX. This sounds so great I cant believe it hasnt been done sooner.

PC gaming has been on life support for AGES, just kill it off and give up and buy a wii for 200$, these kind of tactics only hurt the PC community and gamers, with you and me both deprived. PC gamers are what fuels the PC market, who really needs a computer with more than 2 cores.

It is false advertisement when you say a game runs with standard PC hardware but only half the game works. There should be a warning label on this game saying full game only Nvidia compatable, (Ati version not validated).