False information in the articles: No UVD in R600

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05-25-2007, 11:34 PM
Sampsa

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Originally Posted by XeRo

It's from the same article red posted. So if AMD said it lacked UVD during tech day, how come some board partners still put UVD on box? Sampsa, did AMD say anything like this?

In my opinion it wasn't clearly stated that Radeon HD 2900 XT lacks UVD. And since UVD was introduced as Radeon HD 2000 series feature it was really easy to draw a conclusion that R600 also includes it. Europe and US had different presentations so there might be some slight changes in the slides. AMD also didn't show ALL the slides in presentations which are included in PDF-files they gave to press. PDF-files also have some different information than the slides they displayed at Tech Day. Confusing? :)
05-26-2007, 08:46 AM
Nedjo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sampsa

AMD also didn't show ALL the slides in presentations which are included in PDF-files they gave to press. PDF-files also have some different information than the slides they displayed at Tech Day. Confusing? :)

What different information? Regarding the specs, or features? Did you seen this slide:

http://www.imagehosting.gr/out.php/t7756_UVD.JPG

Please translate your article on English (including the graphs) ;)

P.S

that hxbox360 HD-DVD drive that you have reminds me: isn't HD-DVD playback supported on the XB360 via Xenos and its programmable shaders?
05-26-2007, 09:56 AM
Sampsa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedjo

What different information? Regarding the specs, or features? Did you seen this slide:

http://www.imagehosting.gr/out.php/t7756_UVD.JPG

Please translate your article on English (including the graphs) ;)

P.S

that hxbox360 HD-DVD drive that you have reminds me: isn't HD-DVD playback supported on the XB360 via Xenos and its programmable shaders?

Yes I have that slide on paper and PDF.

For example the PDFs state that HD 2400 and 2600 availability will be late June but they gave away paper version of slides which state early July.
05-27-2007, 08:02 AM
Richie P

Ok guys, we can officially clear this matter up. Straight from the horses mouth (AMD/ATi) -

http://support.ati.com/ics/support/d...asp?deptID=894

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMD/ATi

Some AIB Partners indicate UVD (Unified Video Decoding) support on their Radeon™ HD 2900 retail box.

Note: UVD is the abbreviation for Unified Video Decoding and not Universal Video Decoding.

Explanation:
Radeon™ HD 2900XT does NOT support UVD. Radeon™ HD 2600 and 2400 series will be supporting UVD.

Big mistake by the AIB partners...and more bad news for AMD/ATi :(
05-27-2007, 08:11 AM
XeRo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richie P

Ok guys, we can officially clear this matter up. Straight from the horses mouth (AMD/ATi) -

http://support.ati.com/ics/support/d...asp?deptID=894

Big mistake by the AIB partners...and more bad news for AMD/ATi :(

As long as AIB change their boxes, there should be no problem. Correct?
05-27-2007, 09:02 AM
cadaveca

Not really. They already sold boxes with that packaging...which is against the law. They must fulfill the sales contract for any online sales, and probably pay a few fines. They might have to pull the product until they can guarantee that all boxes are properly labelled, as GTA: SA had to when the ERSB changed the game's rating.
05-27-2007, 11:07 AM
Eastcoasthandle

Inq has a good article regarding R600 & UVD issue. And addresses some of the concerns I had.
05-28-2007, 08:46 PM
theteamaqua

so if it doesnt support UVD .. the thread name (which happens to be a sticky for some reason) should be changed, correct??
05-29-2007, 07:11 AM
Verisimilitude

Quote:

Originally Posted by theteamaqua

so if it doesnt support UVD .. the thread name (which happens to be a sticky for some reason) should be changed, correct??

No... The thread name has always been correct.
05-29-2007, 10:44 AM
perkam

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Originally Posted by theteamaqua

so if it doesnt support UVD .. the thread name (which happens to be a sticky for some reason) should be changed, correct??

It's a sticky because an Xtreme Legend took the time to compile all the information on the issue and made it available to he XS Community weeks before the information went public.

Any other obvious questions you might have?

Perkam
05-29-2007, 11:40 AM
theteamaqua

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

It's a sticky because an Xtreme Legend took the time to compile all the information on the issue and made it available to he XS Community weeks before the information went public.

Any other obvious questions you might have?

Perkam

yeah im really confused so does 2900XT supports VD or not?? sampsa says yes, while dailytech says no ... too many source contradict each other
05-29-2007, 11:46 AM
XeRo

Quote:

Originally Posted by theteamaqua

yeah im really confused so does 2900XT supports VD or not?? sampsa says yes, while dailytech says no ... too many source contradict each other

I believe Sampsa also said no. AMD site officially says 2900xt doesn't have UVD.

EDIT: Looks like that link didn't work, but it is on AMD site.
05-29-2007, 12:23 PM
cadaveca

Sampsa was teh first to mention that this was an issue, and followed up with ATi marketing department, and got official word. I'm following up with Professional Services myself, and Consumer Affairs. It was me that the "ticket" @ ATi website was created for. PLease find the proper link here(directly out of my support ticket form last week):

Quote:

I am aware that HIS, GeCube and Sapphire printed on their boxes information about UVD. There has been knowledgebase article created to address this confusing issue. I hope this helps:

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737-27824: Radeon™ HD 2900 series - Wrong Information Regarding UVD Support on Retail Box

The information in this article applies to the following configuration(s):
GeCube Radeon™ HD 2900XT
HIS Radeon™ HD 2900XT
Sapphire Radeon™ HD 2900XT
Windows Vista 32-bit Edition
Windows Vista 64-bit Edition
Windows XP Professional
Windows XP Home Edition
Windows XP Media Center Edition
Windows XP Professional x64 Edition

Some AIB Partners indicate UVD (Unified Video Decoding) support on their Radeon™ HD 2900 retail box.

Note: UVD is the abbreviation for Unified Video Decoding and not Universal Video Decoding.

Explanation:
Radeon™ HD 2900XT does NOT support UVD. Radeon™ HD 2600 and 2400 series will be supporting UVD.

ATI has been advised of this issue and is currently communicating with AIB partners. Any updates will be published when they become available.

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http://support.ati.com/ics/support/d...estionID=27824

It's funny, becasue at first even ATI's support agents said UVD was present in R600, so as much as AMD wants to place blame on board partners and others, even thier own employees weren't notified of the change, but they were at some point told that it DID work.... Also note that the R600 driver DOES HAVE REGISTRY KEYS FOR UVD...SET TO DISABLED!

Now ya'all know why R600 was REALLY delayed...(uh yeah, full product launch was my line, you AMD bastids!!!).:lol2:

nVidia didn't get hit in Canada for thier "video acceleration not working" issue, so were able to lump all the claims into class action lawsuit, for the most part. Things don't work like that here in Canada...far greater problems are in store for AMD over this.:lol2:
05-29-2007, 12:28 PM
LowRun

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

It's a sticky because an Xtreme Legend took the time to compile all the information on the issue and made it available to he XS Community weeks before the information went public.

Any other obvious questions you might have?

Perkam

As i pointed out before, harware.fr told us so on the release day, Sampsa did a great job anyway.
05-29-2007, 12:30 PM
LowRun

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Sampsa was teh first to mention that this was an issue, and followed up with ATi marketing department, and got official word. I'm following up with Professional Services myself, and Consumer Affairs. It was me that the "ticket" @ ATi website was created for. PLease find the proper link here(directly out of my support ticket form last week):

Please read my previous post ;)
05-29-2007, 02:55 PM
eXceeded

Quote:

Originally Posted by theteamaqua

yeah im really confused so does 2900XT supports VD or not?? sampsa says yes, while dailytech says no ... too many source contradict each other

Have you read Sampsa's post? He actually provides all the information showing that R600 doesn't in fact have UVD, whilst all reviewers tried to say that it did... which has now been proved by AMD in the link above my post
06-01-2007, 06:19 AM
Sampsa

Catalyst 7.5 drivers are out. I tested again -> no benefit from hardware acceleration with VC-1 and hw accelerated MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) playback is still corrupted with Cyberlink PowerDVD Ultra.
06-01-2007, 07:49 AM
eXceeded

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sampsa

Catalyst 7.5 drivers are out. I tested again -> no benefit from hardware acceleration with VC-1 and hw accelerated MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) playback is still corrupted with Cyberlink PowerDVD Ultra.

Thanks for the info, I guess cat 7.6 will be teh introduction to the R600 series then (we can hope..)
06-01-2007, 07:58 AM
Sampsa

Quote:

Originally Posted by eXceededgoku

Thanks for the info, I guess cat 7.6 will be teh introduction to the R600 series then (we can hope..)

When I asked about this from AMD, they replied: "HD decode acceleration will be enabled in the upcoming Catalyst release (7.5), which should become available in the next few days"
06-01-2007, 09:26 AM
XeRo

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=38

It seems to work for 720P
06-01-2007, 11:55 AM
Sampsa

Quote:

Originally Posted by XeRo

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=38

It seems to work for 720P

Next question: Does hardware acceleration work and drop CPU load?
06-01-2007, 11:49 PM
Zytek_Fan

So, it's shipped with UVD disabled? WTF?

Why would they wait till a newer Catalyst to enable UVD?
06-02-2007, 05:47 AM
nicepun

I wonder if R600 will ever support UVD? Is it me or does anyone else feel like their declaimer basically said that they're no responsible for anything.
06-02-2007, 05:52 AM
deathman20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan

So, it's shipped with UVD disabled? WTF?

Why would they wait till a newer Catalyst to enable UVD?

If thats the case then surely they where having issues with it prior to release. Hence why they would disable it til they can fix it expecially if its a software fix.
06-02-2007, 05:54 AM
Sampsa

Argh, it's already clearly stated that R600 doesn't support UVD but hardware accelerated decoding through Shaders.

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