You read my mind man. It's all about the 1MB L2 cache. This looks like a great cpu for single stage. that 12 multi! ***CORRECTION 11 MULTI*** .09 for $3XX! I think the 3700+ is a no brainer.Quote:
Originally Posted by ben805
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You read my mind man. It's all about the 1MB L2 cache. This looks like a great cpu for single stage. that 12 multi! ***CORRECTION 11 MULTI*** .09 for $3XX! I think the 3700+ is a no brainer.Quote:
Originally Posted by ben805
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Originally Posted by trans am
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=59478
12x multi on a 3700+ Diego? am I missing something? :confused:
No you are not missing something, but if you are right about the 11x multi then Monarch is all wrong. what is the deal? http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...gory_Code=NA_2Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
Monarch has the 3700+ Diego PIB up for pre-order. Just ordered mine.
Trans, thats the description for the 754 3700+.
For example, look at the description of the HT bus.
"1600 MHz bi-directional".
That correlates to HT 4x, something AMD hasn't produced in months. (For desktops, at least).
It makes sense that the 3700+ is a 2.2 GHz, 1 MB chipolata.
lol figures, I just called monarch and they basically blogged some A64 table from Toms Hardware. ok so 3700+ is 11 multi with 1mb and a 4000 has the 12 multi?
uh oh I wonder how many accidentally ordered the s754 verson of the 3700+ by mistake :eek:
no, that link is not for a 754 3700+, but the specs are 754. it's a 939 3700+ except monarch messed up on the description. If you ordered already thinking it's 2.4 then you might be a bit disappointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
monarch has screwed up on the retail S939 3700+ its not 2.4GHz its 2.2 11 multi also the product code is wrong :eek:
from monarch Manufacturer Part Number: ADA3700DAA5BOX
Monarch messed up everything! Someone send them a link to this thread! I called them and they are "looking into it".
Alvin. How nice of you to join us today. I hope you pick up a nice chip so we can see some of that phase change action in full effect. :cool:
Nah it is the 939 version wrong description though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
AMD Athlon 64 3700+ 1MB 90nm Rev. E (939) (Retail Box-w-Fan) Shipping Starts (May 20th) 1 $344.00
That is what it shows on my invoice. Monarch is good peoples, they will make sure to get me the right part or send a replacement overnight.
would you still consider monarch good if they actually ship it on May 20th?
Update: Monarch is now accepting pre-orders for retail versions of REVISION E AMD CPUS!!!
Yup Yup. I have a fx-53 to hold me over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rezag1000
This is how I see it. The 4000+ is the most expensive... and also has the earliest ship date. The OEMs have earlier ship dates. Now, this is why I think that it is that way: They know the lower models, and retail models will be most desired, so to push the less desired products they make them more desireable by showing that they ship earlier. I think in all actually it will ship within 2 weeks. If not I got something to hold me over and to get the oh so nice headshots in CS:S and play some WoW. Heh
So, how bout fx57? When it will be available?
my guess is it will come out Q3 or Q4 this year like the FX-55
I just check out the reviews of the 3500 and 3800 venices again, they were being tested on phase change and watercooled, but looks like realistically they can only do about 2.7~2.9 on air, and I'm not that impressed with the memory bandwidth I saw from them running at 2.9~3G. :(
For those(and myself) who has already gotten a decent winnie with good memory controller that can do 2.6~2.7G with higher FSB reliably....I'm starting to question what kind of gain I would get from upgrading to the venice. Looking at THIS benchmark of that venice running at 320 x9 (2880) with tighter timing, my 2.7G winnie @337 with loser timing still wiped it!!
clock for clock...the SD with 1MB cache is making much more sense to me and that's the only way I can justify doing an upgrade. I think I'm going to cancel my 3200 Venice pre-orded and plunge down the extra dough for the 3700 SD, I don't think I'm going to use neither 11x nor 10x, I'll mroe than likely settle on 33? x9. too bad the 3500 SD is being capped at 512K otherwise I would of jump on it. For those who were building a new rig, or have a dud winnie, or simply switching from Intel, the Venice probably will do it. :D
I'm not sure I want to order from anyone who can't even get the product description right.... :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
Monarch is good peoples, very trustworthy.
so is this you trying to justify not buying one? OMG 2 chips were tested and they didnt do so well HURRY EVERY ONE CANCEL YOUR ORDERS :p: cmon now just because two review havnt captured the true feeling of it dosnt mean they suck and if the reviewers would have used good GSKILL ram i bet it would have done alot better just wait and see if your not sure wait for results before you jump to conclusionsQuote:
Originally Posted by ben805
while im not gonna speculate myself, ben805 believes they will do about 2.7GHz. He already has a wonderful winchester with a godly ondie controler. Venice looks better for those with crappy CBBID or those winnies with crappy ondie controllers. I will wait till the 3000+ Venice is actually out then go from there. My winny isnt stable with ram at its rated speed so Venice hopefully will let me run my ram at what it was rated and then more :D
A lot of people that want Venice have also put off upgrading. its not like everyone has $160-$400 in thier pockets to wip out at any time :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
soon enof we will see how well they perform if anyone is not sure just wait a nether week or so more and more will start poping up
Yeah, the reality is there are a lot of people like me who have entire computers except for a CPU. I'm buying Venice or San Diego (right now I have 3700+ on order with Sparco) no matter what. It wouldn't make sense to go down to Winchester b/c of superior memory controller and SSE3 support. So, I am stuck. If I don't buy Venice or San Diego, all these parts will sit for like 3 months until dual-core Toledo, and um I'm not going to wait that long. Hell no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rezag1000
Fzero please read the persons post before belittling him. He linked to Pc Ice's benching of the 3500 where he used EXCELLENT Gskill ram.
but what f the venice still has some bugs??
we wont know for sure, so thats y most of us "poor ones" will have to wait...
yeah, +1 hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel
Just waiting on the CPU, but if it's going to be the end of May before I can get my hands on it I'm not sure what I'm going to do...Don't wanna drop down to a Winchester, and don't really want to go up to a current 4000+ or something similar (although I've considered it)
im sorry im not trying to be rude but it couldnt of bin EXCELLENT Gskill as my Gskill on my winnie gets 7600mb in sandra at 2.5GHz at 2.8 i would be arround 8100-8500 with the right timings it may be good ram for cewrtin speeds but not so good that high or he was running a divider it dosnt matter you cant just say they suck without even knowing 4 reviews is not enof and thats how many are out now when i look into buying a part i read at least 7-10 reviews on the product and ask ver knolageable people to make sure its worth the money it will cost
Geforce nailed it....thank you. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
I just got word that I can get my hands on these Turions:
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Had I known earlier I could have had them as early as Tomorrow. But now if I were to order they would be here on Monday.
So this means that Newegg and other places should have them in about a week of so!
But No Venice Yet. :( AMD called me but nothing official yet. Still looking though but I guess most of you have already Pre-Ordered. Happy OCing!
Where do you see the turion ?
Ben there is no since in posting a anwser to your post as i said what i ment ah screw it why not
you will see a performance gain but my words to every one with winnies includeing me and my high clocked winnie at 2.6GHz
AMD admits there memory controllers on the winnie are pretty faulty hents you cant put it under phase you cant run 4 dimms with 1T and your lucky if you can run 4 at all and most cant scal high HTT with 1:1 divider now those of you that can scale high give it 3 months with your chip scaled high on air and watch it become a case like SNDS but now it will be SWDS i know i have had three winnies and highly scaled HTT and 1.6v on air is what killed the first 2 so if there is a better alternative such as the Venice which you have seen in the 4 review that exsist they have better mem controllers
hents the need FOR MORE REVIEWS the more PROOF you have the better off you are and the more reviews the more they show like PI calculations and Prime stability, and lets see you bring 2 screen shots of benchmarks done on similar rigs and see it match up :rolleyes: you cant because it dont happen every system is different you should know that, see3 dosnt have anything to do with demand better memory controller dose AMD only rates there chips to beat intel and thats all they have to do there is no need for amd to sell a 3GHz amd right now because intel has nothing to compete i have a 2.0a P4 northwood thats 2.0GHz stock it dose 3.6GHz on air so why didnt intel sell 3.6GHz chips when they came out with the 2.0a? because NOT all will do that speed nore was it needed at the time, and if i get 2.6GHz on a 3000+ ill be just as happy when my winnie got that but i will have the ease of knowing the memory controller will live longer and perform better you may not think there is any performance gain but if you do let me re phrase that when you do get a venice you will see a performance gain may not be in numbers but in the memory controllerQuote:
numbers speak for itself regardless how many reviews there is, different results at the exact same speed with same equipments only mean two things, either something fishy, or the cpu and ram are defective/inconsistant, again....320 x9 is 320 x9. Oh by the way, correct me if I'm wrong but I have yet seen any venice reviewer do any SuperPI 32M bench or 24hr Prime95 on those venice at 2.8 or 2.9Ghz, left alone at 3+Ghz. Make no mistake about it, the venice looks impressive with the SSE3, and sure welcome by many with the supposedly improved ondie memory controller, but if they all can hit 2.8~3Ghz reliably, why in the world didn't AMD sell them as such? why stopped at 3800 (2.4Ghz)?
getting a good overclocker that can do 2.9~3.0Ghz rock solid on air depends heavily on luck (suicide screen shot and such need not apply), come on now...let's be real, just don't be disappointed if 2.6~2.8(prime95 or superpi 32m stable) is all you got out of these 3000 or 3200 venice, they're by no mean dud or bad overclockers either!! But for me, myself, and only me....I probably won't see much gain (if any).
FZero,
Not sure if you see my signature but my winnie is running naked at 43'C under load at 2.7G, don't think the lifespan could be any shorter than those with retail heatsink/fan running at default clock with 50+'C under load. :D :D I myself had already went through about 5 winnie just to hunt for the magic chip and finally got my hands on this one that I think is decent, all of the previous one can't do any higher than 2.55 reliably, of all the trouble and money that went down the drain I should of gotten myself an FX-53 right of the bat. Not sure if the number "337.5 x8" or "337.5 1T" mean anything to you, but my winnie doesn't has any memory controller problem, and I could careless about filling up 4 memory banks either. I'm only interested in the performance gain I get over my current winnie, and I only speak for myself, and me, and myself, and I only, in no form or way am I trying to steer anybody away from the venice nor am I saying the Venice sucks. All I know is, this time around I'm not going to make the same mistake again. :p:
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Originally Posted by charlie
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Originally Posted by trans am
Changed my pre-order...
bye bye Venice, come to papa.....Sandy :hrhr:
My wife is going to kill me when she see the credit card bill next month :fact: :slapass: :lol2:
There's always a risk with early adoption, if you can hang on then hang on so you can see how the binning is or how Venice overclocks to San Diego etc etc etc.
Regards
Andy
Just got an email from Monarch tonight - May for the affordable ones.. :(
http://www.3dxtreme.net/other/CPUS/venice/venice.jpg
Hopefully Sparco comes through for those of us that orderd through them
18 Apr
/pray
same here, have my fingers cross....I'm waiting for the San Diego :D :D
Man, if Sparco comes through...I'm going to order another Raptor from them just as a way of saying thanks. Then I can RAID it with the one that's already sitting here... :fact: :woot:
If they do come through we all need to remember to hook them up with some nice reseller reviews/ratings points
3700+ SD seems like a good deal to me, I think i'll buy it. I hope it OC's the same as Venice, the higher speed-binned SD's, and even the new SD FX57, and the past FX55 (IF NOT BETTER!)
BTW, the new FX57 is San-Diego and 1MB, right? So, why buying FX57 when you can buy the exact same chip, only lower speed-binned (like the 3700+) at much lower cost?
Well why buy an fx-55 now over a 4000+/3800+, for a he guaranteed clocks and b unlocked multis.
Right, unlocked multies... But the new E CPU's are promised to clocks the same if not better as a good FX 55... They do 2800MHz on stock volts and reach 3600MHz on phase-change.
You're forgetting something...
Overclockers are a small percentage of CPU sales, most people don't care about it, don't want to do it, don't trust it, or are generally too dumb to figure it out...unfortunately income is not directly proportional to intelligence, therefore lots of people buy the top of the line product because it's the best *out of the box*, forget that we can make a chip of 1/3 the price perform at higher levels, the average consumer doesn't know that or just doesn't care to bother learning how to
It's not like AMD ships their chips with directions on how to overclock to make sure that they'd never ever sell higher priced chips ever again...while it CAN be reliably, and somewhat simply achieved, 97% of the CPUs out there won't ever be Overclocked
Why would an overclocker buy an FX chip? If the person has the income to spend on it, it's an unlocked multiplier chip guaranteed to be in the highest quality percentages of the chips that AMD sells
Answer: A) people are stupid
B) smart people with money can get the most out of them.
Thanks, I see the picture now.
I really think that the smartest people will get the most out of the CHEAPEST chips ;)
You said that the FX line of chips is guaranteed to be top notch in terms of silicon/quality, but why do a SD FX will differ from, let's say, a 4200+ SD which is only 200MHz less? Aside from unlocked multies, which doesn't help that much IMO (And I've played with some unlocked CPU's, but that's my opinion only). Currently I think i'll "settle" [:slobber:] for a juicy 3700+ SD.
all i can say is the weak dollar might do me some good as those prices arent bad in £s. shame monarch charge $30 as a processing fee on international orders.
Do Monarch ship internationally? Wow, that would be nice, I didn't know that.
looks like Monarch would have the SD on May 6th, will have to wait till the 16th at sparco....
" Monarch Computer Systems ships to Australia, all of South America and most of Europe. To place an international order, you must fill out a quote request form and a member of our sales team will reply with a quote complete with shipping charges to your shipping address and instructions on how to complete your order.
* All international orders must be paid using wire transfer, prices are in US dollars, a $30 processing fee will be charged
* Quotes are good for 30 days
* Orders shipping to US and Canada should be placed using the website
* Minimum order amount for international shipping is $250
* All fees and duties associated with customs and duties will not be included in the shipping but will be due to the local customs agency in order to receive the product"
Thought they shipped today...? :stick:
3700+ diago looks NICE :D
what are the chances sparco will have Venice or Diego on monday? anyone got inside info or want to take a guess.
:banana: Omg !! Just placed an order for an 3700 SanDiego !!! :woot: :slobber: From Sparco.com .... NextDay shipping service .... So can i expect to get it on Tuesday ? :slobber: Have an Vapochill LS already waiting for it ... :wasntme:
3700 2.4ghz 1mb cache
3800 2.4ghz 1mb cache
whats the difference?
looking at monarch it appears that the 3700 is single channel memory ( 64-bit instead of 128-bit ) does anybody know this for sure?
Does your credit card get billed when you place your pre-order for most of these sites? Or does it get billed once they have them in stock?
Seems they're waiting for an answer just like the rest of us.
But the guy was honest w/ me about it :clap:
I'm staying put for now w/ them (calling Monday to see if they know anything new).
i'm tempted to contact ingram micro and ask if they'll distribute these processors to resellers on monday. i doubt they'll respond since i'm not a reseller. anyone here got connection with resellers?
Don't lock yourself with monarch since their shipping starts May 6th/20th.
Sparco will have them this month it seems.
What about newegg?
Venice at netshop.no
Netshop.no
If newegg follows it's now normal trend, initially their prices will be higher since it's a new item. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jester FPS
I just ordered the 4000+ from Monarch. My wallet is still crying. Hopefully I can move my NF3 and 6800GT.
Both are dual channel.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurious
3700 + is 1mb L2 w/ 1600mhz bus
3800 + is 512 L2 w/ 2000mhz bus
I don't see any 3800+ 1mb Sand diego cores for 939.
there isnt its
3800+ Venice 512k L2 Cache w/2000MHz bus
3700+ San Diego 1MB L2 Cache w/2000MHz bus
ALL socket 939 cpus have 2000MHz bus except for the 3400+ S939
PS: the description on Monarch for the 3700+ S939 is the same descrition for the S754 it was just someone being lazy
That's right. The other difference, of course, is 2.2GHz for the San Diego 3700+, 2.4GHz for the Venice 3800+.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fzero
I don't think you're making a fair comparison here for a couple of reasons. First off you're comparing your 2x256 G.Skill LA to 2x512 G.Skill FF . I'd be surprised if you could get 1gb of the LA to 320FSB in your setup. Second, you're comparing your max stable overclock with your winnie vs. a "mid-level" OC from the Venice. Hey, your rig would be great if you plan on using just air-cooling and benchmarking with only the Sandra bandwidth test :rolleyes: How high can your cpu go with 1.4Vcore? Also, can it run on single phase? It's no coincidence that both Venices I brought to XS could go to 2.8G at default Vcore and had no cold bug. What you're trying to do is compare apples to oranges. Here-if you simply want to just compare Sandra scores, then I'd say my Venice @ 290 "wipes" your winnie @ 337:Quote:
Originally Posted by ben805
http://img86.exs.cx/img86/4919/11x290m29153cu.jpg
Any sign that the distributers are getting ready to ship? Its April 15th :)
You're right, it's not fair, because you were running at 2.88Ghz wherea I was at 2.70Ghz, yours has tighter timing and mine has loser timing, your's on phase-change and mine on air, you are running on Windows 2003 Server and I'm running on Windows XP, of course it's not fair! because theoritically my winnie should get "wiped", wait..I should of said get "slaughtered"!!! But I didn't see none of that happening, whether you want to admit it or not... that mighty venice that you test-drive at 320 x9 was getting worked man!! if there's any other memory bandwidth benchmarks available other than sandra and everest...I would like to see you run and I'll compare mine with yours, suicide clock that is not superpi 32m and prime95 stable need not apply because I intend to use my machine 24/7 for variety of tasks other than just a few suicide screen shots with unrealistically high OC'ed to impress other people :DQuote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
EDIT: stop provoking other members
-saaya
isn't ingram micro a Canadian supplier ?Quote:
Originally Posted by dng29
i already have and account with em but... they have real bad price/website
I really prefer to order from others suppliers (btw, available on the pricelist : venice/diego...not in stock atm :( $$$CDN)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=28817&stc=1
:slapass: hurry up AMD
lol I know this shop :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Supertim0r
I wodner if Monarch is just being cautious with the 4/20 ship date. Or if they actually mean it?
we will find out monday :). monarch is being cautious with the date they stated. they told me once that they rather give a date that they know for sure or close to a release. i also notice how the more expensive cpus will be available earlier, hrmm. i wish there's a way to track shipment from amd to distributors and such :).
Newegg is actling completely oblivious to venice' sandy. They hav't listed any pre-orders or ETAs, and they have lowered prices on winchesters.
i wonder what monarch thinks of the 18th as stated by sparco. i wonder if monarch will repeat and have venice/diego first again. i think they have the money to put into distributor's pockets to get the first shipment. the wait is unbearable.
When they are "new" stuff, it mean they will have the item in stock SOON :DQuote:
Originally Posted by cpulloverclock
I have never seen a pre-order option on Newegg , EVER ! So im guessing they are playing safe and not putting any info on their website and once Sandy and Venice get to their warehouses and the Heat starts to build up :D , they will release them with a BOOOM !! to the unsuspecting community :fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rezag1000
Newegg had a Pre-Order for the DFI LanParty SLI-DR before it was released. Don't believe the hype when companies say they don't do Pre-Orders, because it only makes business sense to offer them.Quote:
Originally Posted by |3ourne
-Magik
Ohh YEA !! Now that you mentioned it , they did have it running :slap: . But correct me if im wrong , they had that preorder WAY after monarch and bunch of other sites had them up.Quote:
Originally Posted by magikempire
Iunno , my past experience has been , Newegg is always one of the last to adopt the sales of some new hardware. Monarch usually gets stuff first , marks it up and makes some money before Newegg or ZZF enter the market for that product and Monarch has to bring their prices down to match them. :nono:
Anyone know if the Chaintech Nforce 4 ultra will work with Venice? I know DFI needs the 3/10 BIOS, but no one has mentioned the chaintech one.
http://www.usereasy.com/product_7778.html
anyone want to place an order here? they claim to have it in stock :). very interesting. Monday seems so far away :). i guess the 18th might be the day.
If your close i'd try a phone order(1-616-458-5568) "if" it sounds like they know what is actually instock. If not,don't go there. They're close enough to me for me to consider them but i don't think i would.Quote:
Originally Posted by dng29
i think they probably know that they're getting some on monday that's why they say in stock. they might be jumping the gun, but i'm hopeful that we will see in stock at alot of these online vendors like sparco. if i'm driving distant from them, then i might consider ordering.
After looking at thier "A64 list" i would be leary "AMD Athlon64 3000 Processor, 1MB L2 Cache, 1.8GHz, 64bit Processor, 2.0GHz FSB, Socket 939, Windows Compatible, 3 Year Warr". In the description it only shows SSE and SSE2... No SSE3 and of corse 1mb l2 cache?
then whats the second thing in the description?Quote:
Originally Posted by Poki
The point is it should have 512kb not a meg. Pay attention at the back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincentvega18
mmmm me :slobber: at the thought of being able to compare my MPM winnie to my incoming venice! :D
a friend of mine just purchased a winnie 3000+ for $113 on monarch. very good price. i have had him on hold for his cpu for the venice release but after 3 weeks of waiting and it being the only part he needs for his HTPC he caved in =\
lol, sorry, thought it said 3700............Quote:
Originally Posted by dpadmore
Monday is the shoppings day for every Furious & Extrem Overclokers ! :banana: :banana: :woot: :clap: :toast:
hopefullyQuote:
Originally Posted by AMDfan
Which Venice is everyone going to order?
3000+ here already ordered :)
3500 Venice for me ! :banana: and later when it's avalable I will get me a 3700 Sandiego :slobber: :bananal: :explode2: :YIPPIE:
AMDfan,
Get a 3700+ now and sleep easy. It's just a difference of $50.
Anyone know where to order the 3500+ sandy?
any vendors actually shipping? Sparco shupping out yet?
Guys I broke down :( I have had these components sitting in my room collecting dust for over a month:
DFI nf4 ultra-d
2x512 ocz vx pc4000
fortron blue 500w
WD raptor 74gig
x800xl
server case
That's a $1000 paper weight without a processor. :( I bought a 3000+ winnie on Saturday and will be using it until I buy a 3700+ San Diego in ~2 months...
Hopefully the pain will stop soon =/
Thank you, for your advice :) but if I want only a 3700 SanDiego, I have to wait maybe for 2 more months befort I get my hand on it :( :nono: I want my Toy now :slobber: :banana: that's why I want to get me a 3500 Venice first, while waitting for the 3700 Sandiego :slobber: :YIPPIE:Quote:
Originally Posted by agenda2005
Here is a link for Venice order, they should be avalable in about few hours, at 1:30 PM on April-18-2005, they should have around 8000 CPU Venice comming in stock, :fact: :toast: check it over-here !
monarch just charged my card for the 3700+ sandy
still looking for the 3500+ sandy. where can i get it?
I'm afraid you'll have to wait anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by AMDfan
I dont blame you for buying a 3000+ winny now, youve waited enough, let others wait while you enjoy your rig and in 2 months when amd has a price drop, buy a venice :D